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Hihi,leuke verwarring....
Wat Suko zegt, de PJ heeft niet zo traag gedaan maar de Britse overheid was dat verzoek eerst 'kwijt' en toen heeft het nog ik weet niet hoe lang geduurt totdat men er iets mee deed.
Zij hebben alles zo lang mogelijk getraineerd en daarbovenop kwam toen nog de gespeelde verontwaardiging over het late tijdstip van die reconstructie, natuurlijk kon dat niet eerder want de statements werden pas zo laat gecheckt door dat hele gedoe met die rogatory letters.......
Mmmm, hope so. Kan zijn dat daarom de Britse pers wat stil is en er nu regelmatig wat pittige stukjes verschijnen, een stille draai naar wat er mogelijk komen gaat...Maar om nog even op een rij te zetten wie er allemaal 'mee te maken' hebben, een opsomming én tevens voor het archiefquote:Op dinsdag 3 juni 2008 21:33 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Ach joh, zodra blijkt dat het 1 en ander een politieke carriere kan schaden vluchten ze als ratten van een zinkend schip!
Die laatste link uit de Daily Mail heb ik zelf opgezocht en komt van een andere bron, want die is natuurlijk niet meer online op de DM.quote:The McCanns and the winning trio (*)
The McCanns and the Winning Trio in Order
The results of an opinion poll carried out in the UK among a thousand businessmen at the “Leaders in London International Leadership Summit” show that the three most influential people in the UK (after Her Majesty, the Queen) are Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and the billionaire Richard Branson.
These three winners are - in the same order – strong supporters of Madeleine McCann parents, the little British girl who disappeared from one of the most peaceful villages on the southern coast of Portugal. The results of the poll have the merit of shedding light on how – and perhaps why – an apparently common couple of doctors continue to flout the judicial system of two sovereign democratic states, to the point of refusing to assist the British and Portuguese police detectives in finding out what actually happened to their own daughter.
Since Madeleine disappeared in May 2007, her parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, have received extraordinary support from two of the most influential people in the UK: former prime minister Tony Blair and his Party colleague, Gordon Brown, the current resident of nº 10, Downing Street. Moreover, it seems that it was the support of these two personalities that helped to open the door for the financial backing offered by the third one. It was Tony Blair and Gordon Brown who were behind the instructions given to the UK ambassador, John Buck, and to the British consul, Bill Henderson (the two senior UK diplomats in Portugal at the time she disappeared), to make sure Gerry and Kate McCann were given all possible assistance.
It was the ambassador, John Buck, who made the trip from Lisbon to the Algarve, after having alerted the Portuguese minister of Foreign Affairs and the director of the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) about the disappearance. This was before even the local police (GNR) or the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) of the PJ in Portimão had been alerted. They were only notified by a phone call from the Ocean Club at around 22:45.
A vanishing act
Strangely, John Buck left his position in Portugal (and his diplomatic career) on September 10, 2007, the day after Kate and Gerry McCann fled to the UK, after having been made arguidos (suspects). Before him, two other British diplomats had left their positions: the consul, Bill Henderson, and Sheree Dodd, who has been sent over by the Foreign Office at Blair’s direct request. She was replaced by Clarence Mitchell, after having called the attention for some inconsistencies about the McCanns, namely their behaviour and their lack of cooperation with the Portuguese PJ and the British police._Bill Henderson surprised everyone by announcing his resignation. He retired at the end of August, a few days before took place the police interviews that ended with the McCanns getting the arguido status. After their departure, Celia Edwards became the UK consul for the Algarve. She accompanied Kate and Gerry McCann during their interviews with the PJ in September 2007.
John Buck was replaced by Alexander Wykeham Ellis, the ambassador who turned up in Portimão on the very day the PJ detectives returned from a trip to Enderby. His wife is Portuguese and he has an in-depth knowledge of Portugal, where he had previously worked between 1992 and 1996. He had come from Brussels, where he worked with the president of the European Commission, Durão Barroso.
On several occasions, Tony Blair used his prerogative and contacts to enable the McCanns to be received by the authorities in selected countries, to launch the Madeleine Fund, notably the Vatican, where they met Pope Benedict XVI and stay at the guest house of the UK ambassador Francis Campbell, a privilege normally reserved for distinguished guests.
During a phone call to the McCanns, last June, it was Blair in person who assured them of his on-going and increased support and told them that they need not hesitate to contact him if there was anything he could do. This support continues today, despite the parents’ situation vis-à-vis the official investigation into the disappearance of their daughter._When Gordon Brown came to power, the UK government’s support not only intensified, but also became more visible. And the new prime minister had no trouble admitting that he was in personal contact with Gerry McCann to discuss the case, as he had done at the end of May. The same day, the UK authorities put a discrete pressure on the PJ to reveal more information about the case. It was he who – on several occasions – talked to journalists about the McCann case, referring his contacts with the Portuguese authorities. He did it on a more visible way, on June 9, 2007, when the Portuguese prime minister, José Socrates, visited London in the context of the rotating European Union presidency.
Outside nº 10 Downing Street, Gordon Brown told the UK media that he had discussed the McCann case with José Socrates and had asked him to ensure maximum assistance to Kate and Gerry McCann. In September, just after they had been made arguidos, the McCanns called on Gordon Brown and David Miliband, the UK Foreign Secretary, to ask them to intervene as they said they were victims of “an injustice”. On September 10, the Foreign Office was described as being “firing all canons” in its efforts to help the McCanns._On October 2007, in Lisbon, even though Kate and Gerry McCann were (and are) already arguidos in the investigation into their daughter’s disappearance, it was once again Gordon Brown who surprised journalists during a press conference when he announced that he was going checking the McCanns’ situation and the status of the investigation led by the PJ, in cooperation with the UK police. At the same time, in the UK, a police detective commented on the difficulties the police was having with the Home Office, concerning the UK side of the investigation.
Clever advice
Despite the growing negative public opinion about the McCanns (which has even led some media sites to ban comments about the case), when the Lisbon Treaty was signed, it was yet again David Miliband and Gordon Brown who used the opportunity to take the subject with several members of the Portuguese government, including prime minister José Socrates. But this time, it was done in secret, far from the eyes of the media._It was also from the Gordon Brown's office that came the suggestion to scale down the media exposure of McCann couple and the campaign to find Madeleine, according to a source close to McCann family. Gordon Brown’s advisers are worried about the possibility that the next steps of the investigation of Madeleine’s disappearance, which was following a new line of inquiry, may produce results that could damage the Prime-Minister´s image, due to his close relationship with Gerry McCann. This was revealed by Gazeta Digital and SOS Madeleine on August 26, 2007.
Richard Branson’s generous financial support becomes more understandable when we look better at his close relationship with Tony Blair. Moreover, the influential former Labour leader and prime minister, a Kate and Gerry McCann staunch supporter, was able to discuss the subject during his recent meeting with Branson on his private island, where they were accompanied by Elon Musk (Paypal), Larry Page (Google) and Jimmy Wales (Wikipedia), among others._But the McCanns’ financial backing does not stop there. Yet again, thanks to some of his friends excellent contacts, the couple received financial support from Stephen Winyard, Brian Kennedy and JK Rowling, who is herself one of the most influential women in the UK.
Knocking On Heaven's Door
Another interesting and revealing episode took place on September 12, when Justine McGuinness and David Hughes, press advisers for the McCann, accompanied by the powerful Angus McBride, held meetings with editors of most of the major British newspapers. During the meetings, it was explained to the editors that the fact that Portuguese Police couldn't find a body would it make impossible for a court to sentence them, even if the McCann were formally charged and went on trial. The McCann send, at the same time, a strong challenge to Portuguese police:"Find Madeleine's body and prove we killed her”, as the Daily Mail wrote, in the same day edition.
Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis Bron
Joh, daar zeg je zowat! Doet straks geen oog meer dicht, pffff.quote:Op dinsdag 3 juni 2008 21:54 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
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Wat mankeert er aan Portugal? Wat een sneer naar die mensen daar, ik geloof niet dat ze daar welkom zijn, hoe zou dat nou komen.... Maar ik snap dit 'nieuws' wel, gewoon een signaal naar de buitenwereld om te laten zien dat er niets aan de hand is, they have nothing to hide, no worries hé?! Het zal wel een privé-accommodatie worden, van Virgin-baas Branson of geldschieterd Brian Kennedy, keuze genoeg.quote:Madeleine McCann's family to go on holiday a year after disappearance Telegraph
By Andy Bloxham Last Updated: 2:15AM BST 04/06/2008
The parents of Madeleine McCann are to go on their first holiday together since she was kidnapped in Portugal just over a year ago. The parents of Madeleine McCann are to go on their first holiday together since she was kidnapped in Portugal just over a year ago, according to reports.
Kate and Gerry McCann, who are both 40, decided to take the break for the sake of their other children, twins Sean and Amelie, who are two, according to a family friend. Madeleine was abducted from the family's apartment in the coastal resort of Praia da Luz, on the Algarve in Portugal, last May.
The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "It will be incredibly painful to contemplate going away without Madeleine but this is the reality they are faced with. "Nothing has been booked yet, but one thing's certain – they won't be going to Portugal."
The family have spent only an occasional few days away from their home in Rothley, Leics, since returning from the Algarve on September 9, after Portuguese police made them official suspects. A friend of the family told the Daily Mirror: "Everyone needs a holiday – Kate and Gerry included.
"It's now 14 months since Madeleine was taken. Behind the scenes, there remains a lot of action to try and find her, but for Kate and Gerry life has returned as close to normality as they're likely to get. "After all they've been through, they want to give the twins a decent break to try and enjoy time as a family."
De blogger Mike Hitchen heeft dit op z'n site staan Suko, goedemiddag trouwens @ all,quote:Madeleine McCann: Never mind China or Burma - Kate and Gerry are going on holiday
The news that Kate and Gerry McCann, Britain's fine example of responsible parenting, are to go on a family photo-oppor...I mean family holiday, is being discussed in the newly revamped "i On Global Trends Convention Centre For The Educated Classes"
Membership is now open starting from as little as $3,500 per annum for Bronze Membership up to $4.500 for Roathley Membership.
All applications will be vetted and a security check will be conducted by a company I have recently been in touch with. Checks will include fingerprinting and DNA samples. Due to previous breaches of security please ensure your application is accompanied by the following documents.
* Three forms of photo ID
* A reference from your MP stating they have known you for at least five years
* A letter from a pillar of society confirming they have known the MP for at least five years
* A letter from the above person's parole officer.
* A letter from your mum (or "mom" if you are from North America) stating you are allowed to use the PC unsupervised. Funny how the words "mum" and "unsupervised" are so often mentioned in the same breath as the McCanns.
Please also ensure you have a catchy name so I can register it as a domain and flog it to the highest bidder.
No riff-raff allowed. Cloth caps and hairnets must not be worn at the PC while using the facilities of the Convention Centre. Drinking cheap red wine while munching a bacon sarnie is also frowned upon.
Gentlemen are required to at least wear a pair of shorts, while ladies are not allowed to wear clothes that reveal tattoos of The Good Ship Venus on any part of their body.
When discussing the holiday, please refrain from making remarks regarding the McCanns child supervision arrangements. No doubt they will rarely be out of sight of a photographer, camera crew and a family friend videoing the sort of activity they were unable to do in Portugal due to the children being left in crèches every day and unsupervised bedrooms every night.
Nee hoor, ik weet trouwens niet of ik nu beledigd moet zijn dat je dat dacht......quote:Op dinsdag 3 juni 2008 21:54 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
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You're welcome Kahaarin...uhm Clarrie...is that you.... ?quote:Op woensdag 4 juni 2008 14:15 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Trouwens, @Suko, thnx voor het overzichtje, en vooral voor die laatste missing link.![]()
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The McCanns have not yet informed the Portuguese authorities of their departure on holiday, or their exact destination, as required by their status as arguidos in the ongoing investigation in the disappearance of their young daughter, Madeleine.
Yesterday, the spokesman for the couple confirmed that Kate and Gerry McCann, accompanied by twins Sean and Amelie, are preparing to go on holiday for the first time since the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine.
It was precisely during their last vacation in May 2007 in the village of Praia da Luz, southern Portugal, that their daughter Madeleine, aged three years, disappeared after her parents have left three children alone and unattended while they dined in the company of other couples.
According to a source close to the investigation, the Public Ministry has not yet been informed of the possible trip, but the couple confirms that Kate and Gerry McCann, given their arguidos status is subject to a term of identity and residence, should not leave Rothley for a period exceeding five days without first informing the Portuguese authorities of their exact destination.
"Nothing has yet been booked, but one thing is certain - they will not go to Portugal," said Clarence Mitchell stressing that the couple, since the disappearance of Madeleine in May 2007, had only a few days of recreation outside their home in Rothley.
Since May 2007, Kate and Gerry McCann have made several trips to Europe and the USA leaving two other children of the couple, Sean and Amelie.
Contacted by SOS Madeleine, Portuguese and British investigators were not surprised by the announcement of Kate and Gerry McCann going on holiday, but confessed "to following closely the movements of the couple and friends, especially in their travels abroad. "
No violation of the secrecy of justice (over het eventueel schenden van de privacy wat betreft de telefoontjes en textberichten in Praia da Laz, Suko)
"I have not withdrawn the judgement of the site in consideration that there has been a breach of secrecy of justice, but because I wanted to improve it with references to other cases related to access to communications traffic," Mourisco Chambel, the Judge of the Supreme Courts of Justice, said in response to information put forward by the newspaper 24 Horas.
In its edition today, 24 Horas asserts that the judgement of the Court of Appeal of Evora about the ban on investigators' access to the content of written messages (SMS) sent and received by Gerry McCann, was reportedly removed from website of the Institute for Justice Information Technologies (ITIJ) to constitute a violation of the secrecy of justice to the ongoing investigation in the case of missing Madeleine.
Without ever mentioning directly the identity of the arguidos, the document, the first document of Justice so far to disclose publicly the case of Madeleine McCann, confirmed that the investigation of Portuguese and British authorities is doing well on the possibility of crimes of abandonment, endangerment, kidnapping, murder and concealment of a cadaver.
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Mwah, Clarrie als nanny mee, geen punt! Kan zomaar een afleidngsmanouvre zijn, waarom zou men in vredesnaam een vakantie aankondigen wat nog niet eens vaststaat en erbij melden dat het zeker geen Portugal zal zijn... Weten zij iets wat wat het publiek niet weet? En waarom dit bericht nú, een verband met de Tapas 3 die mogelijk iets hebben verklaard wat zeer in het nadeel van de McCanns is? Men weet ook dat fora en blogs ook weer beppen over deze aanstaande vakantie dus het nieuws van die Tapas 3 wordt weer even ondergesneeuwd. Tactics Mr Clarence Mitchell, we're not that stupid!quote:Op woensdag 4 juni 2008 21:58 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
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Zo, ze gaan op vakantie, met de tweeling ? OMG...
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It is not really clear why this information should be placed in the public domain at this particular time. After all, the McCanns haven't even booked the holiday yet! So why does Clarence Mitchell want us to be aware of this information?
In the Daily Record, Mr Mitchell is quoted as slamming the Portuguese police for the "absolute, ludicrous, lies" concerning the alleged break in the tapas group. Has there been a statement from the Portuguese police on this matter?
It would appear at first sight that the UK press are still happy to play baby and have their soldiers buttered by the hand of Clarence Mitchell.
But why is the "absolute, ludicrous, lies" quote tucked away at the bottom of the Daily Record report and not mentioned at all in the Telegraph or Mirror 'exclusive'? Just a few weeks ago that explosive quote would have been the splashed headline on every media-related website and the unbooked holiday would have been the add-on.
Are the press slowly turning the tables? Or are they following orders not to print anything that mentions a 'break' in the tapas ranks?
Geweldig sarcastisch stuk, daar zouden er meer van moeten verschijnen...en dames, misschien is het niet eens zo erg dat het nieuws over de 3 tapa's ondergesneeuwd wordt, ik heb zo'n idee dat dat wel eens gunstig zou kunnen uitpakken voor het onderzoek.quote:Op woensdag 4 juni 2008 14:13 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Zo dan, lekker hoor.
Dat hoop ik ook, het zou idd helemaal niet verkeerd zijn als de PJ eens een keertje alles rustig op een rijtje kan zetten zonder 'sources close to' en 'according to people close to the investigation' die een hoop onzin blaten zodat CM weer eens een 'ludacrous' er tussendoor kan gooien....quote:Op woensdag 4 juni 2008 22:57 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
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Geweldig sarcastisch stuk, daar zouden er meer van moeten verschijnen...en dames, misschien is het niet eens zo erg dat het nieuws over de 3 tapa's ondergesneeuwd wordt, ik heb zo'n idee dat dat wel eens gunstig zou kunnen uitpakken voor het onderzoek.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/184584.htmlquote:Madeleine McCann: Holidays, Médecins Sans Frontières And Media Wars
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY MAIL (front page): “McCanns first holiday since Maddie vanished”
This is the first time the story has featured on a tabloid front page since May 11.
The parents of Madeleine McCann are to take their first holiday since her disappearance 13 months ago. Gerry and Kate McCann, both 40, refused to say where they were going. But they confirmed it would not be Portugal.
Any more facts in this story, now 14-months old?
The McCanns are “both doctors”. Indeed.
Says McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell: ‘It will be incredibly painful to contemplate going away without Madeleine, but this is the reality they are faced with. Nothing has been booked yet. But one thing’s certain - they won’t be going to Portugal.”
Although it might be ruse, and tabloid editors looking to detail staff to cover the McCanns’ trip should not discount any resort just yet.
DAILY TELEGRAPH (Aus): “Parents of missing Madeleine McCann to go on first holiday.”
Mr Mitchell said: “Kate and Gerry have always felt that they did not want to have a holiday under the circumstances, but clearly at some point, as much for the twins as for themselves, they may choose to have a break.”
And – with no hint of irony: “That decision, however, will remain entirely private.”
THE GUARDIAN: “Facebook information should be regulated, survey says”
Currently each of the major social networking sites operates under its own set of terms and conditions. However, 89% of those surveyed by the Press Complaints Commission said there should be a set of widely accepted rules to help prevent personal information - such as private photographs - being abused.
And who would police social networks. Any guesses? Any how can it all be linked to Madeleine McCann. Read on…
Suggestions that the PCC would be the best body to oversee a social networking code of conduct are likely to cause controversy, particularly since it has been accused of caving in to the interests of the newspaper industry. It recently came in for criticism for retaining Daily Express editor Peter Hill as a board member, despite his newspaper being forced to pay £560,000 to the family of Madeleine McCann over a series of false allegations. Hill finally left the commission in May.
So reports the unpartisan Guardian, er, newspaper…
Jij ook een beetje het tumbleweed en eerie muziekjes gevoel?quote:Op donderdag 5 juni 2008 13:42 schreef Suko het volgende:
Sapperdeflap, de PCC moet dan ook maar eens kijken naar de McCanns, die willen tenslotte dat Facebook gebruikt kan worden voor o.a. vermiste kinderen, en dan natuurlijk met name Madeleine, daarvoor zou je een stukje software moeten downloaden om dat te kunnen doen. Volgens mij komt hier dan ook een stukje privacy in gevaar. Maar ja, die PCC-club heeft een voorzitter die getrouwd is met een vrouw die weer vriendjes is met de McCanns (zie eerdere post)...![]()
Anyway, wat betreft het met rust laten van die Tapas 3, me dunkt dat het al heeeeeeeeeeeel lang té stil is geweest rondom die zooi, het moet van de daken geschreeuwd/geschreven worden!Denk maar niet dat de PJ het een moer kan schelen wát er over bekend wordt, zij doen al maanden in alle stilte hun werk en gaan daar gewoon mee door, ondanks wat het team McCann en de pers de wereld laat weten cq ons op de mouw wil spelden...
Niks onder laten sneeuwen, this pact of silence is gebroken, zegt/schrijft het voort...
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Ha ha , Kahaarin, ach wel ja, ook maar oranje, met z'n allen in de fik!
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Yeah, de wereld mag zoeken naar HUN kind, zijzelf moeten nog steeds de tijd vinden dat alsnog te gaan doen, druk druk druk....quote:Op donderdag 5 juni 2008 14:20 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Mooi oranje is niet lelijk, nu hopen dat ze hun best doen, het hele EK oranje terwijl ze er al uit liggen lijkt me ook niet wat, dan liever mintgroen oid........
Ironside, een poster uit Spanje op het 3arguidoforum reageert hierop:quote:McCann spokesman helping the Fitzpatrick family in Mijas Ex BBC journalist, Clarence Mitchell, has already criticised those who have been removing posters of Amy Fitzpatrick.
The parents of Amy Fitzpatrick, the Irish sixteen year old who vanished on New Year’s Day from Mijas Costa in Málaga, are travelling to Ireland again for a new media campaign designed to draw attention to the case ahead of the arrival of thousands of Irish tourists on the coast for the summer.
Meanwhile the ex BBC journalist Clarence Mitchell, who is the media spokesman in the case of missing Madeleine McCann is now also to help the Fitzpatrick family. Audrey Fitzpatrick and her partner Dave Majon have spoken to Mitchell who is reported to be willing to give his advice for free.
La Opinión de Málaga newspaper reports that he has already criticised some residents of the Riviera del Sol urbanisation in Mijas, where Amy vanished, after posters for her are being torn down as soon as they are put up, as people are worried about the effect the case may have on tourism. Bron
Good for you Ironside, Clarence Mitchell, get your facts straight! Zou het team McCann toch voor zichzelf gaan beginnen, iets wat ik al eerder heb gepost? Zoiets heeft hij laten ontvallen tijdens zijn praatje in leeds, uit een eerdere post op 3 mei: "As to his future, he confirmed that he had had a request from the woman whose daughter was killed in Goa, and suggested that eventually he will develop other clients." Mensen merken natuurlijk dat er misschien geld te verdienen valt én moments of fame, in willekeurige volgorde en Mitchell & Co springt in het gat wat hij zelf (en de McConns) heeft gecreëerd, clever man.quote:My God,This is such a lie,..When ever programs are broadcast here in Spain,Amy's name is always mentioned along with yerem i Sarah and many others ,she is on the spanish missing persons blogsite and the case is still open..Police are always waiting for new leads on any of these cases..Police ,however do think that Amy left of her own choice after a fight with her mother who removed her mobile as a punishment, they believe she left with a boyfriend...I notice Mitchel fails to mention this.
When the spanish people read this they will be horrified,CHILDREN COME FIRST..in this culture,not tourism....I could search this whole country and not find one spaniard who would say, we cannot have posters of missing children,they would not rip them down.
However Mitchel would not know this ,as his campaign posters have never materialsed here in spain....
Ja, als zij al niet naar haar zoeken, wie dan wel? Metodo3?quote:Op donderdag 5 juni 2008 20:01 schreef Suko het volgende:
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(Wij houden het voorlopig maar bij een Oranje-Alert, alhoewel die ijdeltuiterij van de spelers én de commercie daar omheen mij de neus uitkomt, en bovendien hou ik niet eens zo van dat spelletje en de kleur....(maar vooruit, solidair zijn en dat soort dingen...
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Natuurlijik, als de zaak Maddy over is dan moet hij wel al een nieuw vermist kind hebben.quote:Geen hot nieuws maar Clarence gaat zich bezig houden met dat Ierse 16 jarige meisje Amy Fitzpatrick wat op Nieuwjaarsdag verdween uit het Spaanse Mijas Costa , Málaga:
Ik weet niet of die mensen wel door hebben dat het niet een voordeel hoeft te zijn als hij zich er mee gaat bemoeien.quote:Ironside, een poster uit Spanje op het 3arguidoforum reageert hierop:
Good for you Ironside, Clarence Mitchell, get your facts straight! Zou het team McCann toch voor zichzelf gaan beginnen, iets wat ik al eerder heb gepost? Zoiets heeft hij laten ontvallen tijdens zijn praatje in leeds, uit een eerdere post op 3 mei: "As to his future, he confirmed that he had had a request from the woman whose daughter was killed in Goa, and suggested that eventually he will develop other clients." Mensen merken natuurlijk dat er misschien geld te verdienen valt én moments of fame, in willekeurige volgorde en Mitchell & Co springt in het gat wat hij zelf (en de McConns) heeft gecreëerd, clever man.
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*Oranje is leuk tot ze zijn uitgeschakeld, of tot ze gewonnen hebben natuurlijk!*
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Ik weet niet of die mensen wel door hebben dat het niet een voordeel hoeft te zijn als hij zich er mee gaat bemoeien.
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Yep, kleur oranje kan net, todat....(maar ze winnen vast)
Inderdaad, slachtoffers verzamelen, en Madeleine wordt desnoods in het nieuws gehouden om klanten te werven, totdat er eens iemand, of liever het publiek, Clarence Mitchell the boot geeft, niemand gaat meer zoeken naar Mitchell-kids, opzouten met je promo-zielige verhaaltjes, wegwezen!Anyway, het Fok Forum is inmiddels, naast al het 3arguidoforum, ook populair op dit forum! Thanks to Ironside...
quote:Charity boss facing sack over Madeleine McCann joke
Jun 6 2008 By Joanne Curran
A CHARITY boss is facing the sack over a sick joke about Madeleine McCann.
Senior manager Lynn McBain has been suspended after referring in a staff newsletter to "McCann oven chips" disappearing from her oven after she left them there for 20 minutes .
Madeleine, four, disappeared 13 months ago in Portugal.
The 10-page booklet for Enable Scotland also insulted the family of a woman with learning difficulties, who is a client of the charity.
McBain described the woman's sisters, from Ayrshire, as "witches" who had come to blows with staff.
The family complained to charity chiefs when they were shown a copy of the booklet.
McBain, who is in charge of the content of the monthly newsletter, was then suspended pending an investigation.
A source at Enable said: "Lynn McBain is supposed to be a role model on how the staff behave and how they speak to other people.
"The jokes she has allowed in to this news letter are beyond belief. They are totally inappropriate and offensive.
"It was also very clear to Enable's Ayrshire staff which family were being referred to in the story she wrote about 'the witches', which was also bang out of order."
In the newsletter, McBain, of West Kilbride, thanks her "lovely partner" for his "awful jokes" and invites people to send her ideas.
A spokesman for Enable said: "We were shocked and appalled by some of the contents that were inappropriate and offensive.
"Our directors and trustees wish to apologise unreservedly to the families concerned for the offensive and unsuitable material in this newsletter."
Dat ze nooit meer naar Portugal gaan maakt de PJ wel uit, dat is niet aan de McCanns om dat te beslissen. Dát is volgens mij ook de boodschap van de McCanns, wat er ook gebeurd, wij komen niet naar Portugal....Zouden ze trouwens dan ook zeker weten dat Madeleine daar niet ergens is, een gedachte om over na te denken....quote:McCanns: We will never go back to Portugal Daily Star (No online link, paper version only)
By Ian Trueman 05 May 2008
MADELEINE McCann's parents yesterday vowed that they will never return to Portugal.
Kate and Gerry spoke out amid rumours they are planning their first holiday since their daughter vanished in The Algarve last year.Insiders claim the heartbroken couple, both 40, had earlier ruled out any talk of a vacation. They are now planning to take their two-year-old twins, Sean and Amelie, away on a "secret" break but refuse to visit Portugal.
Maddie disappeared nine days before her fourth birthday in Praia da Luz in The Algarve in May 2007. The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell yesterday refused to confirm or deny that Gerry and Kate McCann were planning any trip in the "imminent" future.
But he confirmed: "One thing I can say is that it will not be Portugal. It would just create a huge bun fight and they don't want to do that." He added: "It will be incredibly painful to contemplate going away without Madeleine, but this is the reality they are faced with. "Kate and Gerry have always felt that they did not want to have a holiday under the circumstances.
"But clearly at some point, as much for the twins as for themselves, they may choose to have a break. "That decision, however, will remain entirely private."
A friend said doctors Kate and Gerry plan to "get away for a few days this summer". The pal added: "After all they've been through they want to give the twins a decent break to try and enjoy time as a family." Madeleine disappeared from a holiday apartment on May 3 while her parents dined in a nearby tapas bar with friends.
Since they returned home to Rothley, Leics, in September, the McCanns have said they wanted to provide as normal an upbringing as possible for their other children. The McCanns stayed on in the holiday resort for several months after Madeleine disappeared, but returned home after Portuguese police made them official suspects.
Hooi Kahaarin! Ha ha, goeie tip voor Ironside indeed!quote:Op vrijdag 6 juni 2008 11:29 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Goedemorgen Suko.![]()
CM is een sukkel.![]()
@Ironside: Babbelfish has a few new languages, including Dutch to English, maybe you'd like to check it out?![]()
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?urltext=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atomic-silence.com%2F&fr=avbbf-us
Is dit echt ontslagwaardig?![]()
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Joana's blog zegt er dit over, ook heel mooi geschreven weer.quote:Op vrijdag 6 juni 2008 12:05 schreef Suko het volgende:
Mogguh all.Dit was al bekend maar ik plaats een papieren versie uit de Daily Star over die aankomende vakantie, onlline gezet door Nigel:
quote:McCanns on Holidays: Leaving no Stone Unturned?
Madeleine McCann's family to go on holiday a year after disappearance
By Andy Bloxham
Last Updated: 2:15AM BST 04/06/2008
The parents of Madeleine McCann are to go on their first holiday together since she was kidnapped in Portugal just over a year ago.
The parents of Madeleine McCann are to go on their first holiday together since she was kidnapped in Portugal just over a year ago, according to reports. [What? Wasn't the European and US periplus enough?]
Kate and Gerry McCann, who are both 40, decided to take the break for the sake of their other children, twins Sean and Amelie, who are two, according to a family friend. [The twins are three years old.]
Madeleine was abducted from the family's apartment in the coastal resort of Praia da Luz, on the Algarve in Portugal, last May. [There is no proof of abduction, she went missing, because ...]
The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "It will be incredibly painful to contemplate going away without Madeleine but this is the reality they are faced with.
"Nothing has been booked yet, but one thing's certain – they won't be going to Portugal." [Pathetic answer, but though I do not want to see the same thing happening again here in Portugal with one of the twins or both they should return to work with the authorities investigating the case of their missing daughter, her name was Madeleine. At the same time I say it's good they haven't chosen Portugal for their week holidays, and I very much doubt a resort would ever accept the McCanns here in Portugal - you can just imagine the dialogue between Gerry and the hotel receptionist:
Receptionist: Name, please?
GM: McCann
Receptionist: Pardon?
GM: McCann, Gerry McCann
... click ...
GM: Hello? Hello?
... buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ...
Nevertheless they should came to Portugal and face the music - the PJ!]
The family have spent only an occasional few days away from their home in Rothley, Leics, since returning from the Algarve on September 9, after Portuguese police made them official suspects.
[And some more few days in Rome, Berlin, Casablanca, Washington, Brussels...]
A friend of the family told the Daily Mirror: "Everyone needs a holiday – Kate and Gerry included. [Enjoying their holidays while their daughter is allegedly, by their own theory at the hands of a paedophile or a monster kidnapper? Again, shouldn't they be answering and helping the Judiciary Police: What happened to the No Stone Left Unturned is it a pebble?]
"It's now 14 months since Madeleine was taken. Behind the scenes, there remains a lot of action to try and find her, but for Kate and Gerry life has returned as close to normality as they're likely to get. [Donations to the fund?]
"After all they've been through, they want to give the twins a decent break to try and enjoy time as a family." [Let's hope they babysit them properly and don't leave them unattended.]
Adding an excerpt from another UK media paper
Mitchell also slammed as "absolute, ludicrous, lies" new Portuguese police claims that three of the so-called Tapas Seven had broken ranks to give evidence against them. [Ah! So as per rectum naturam, pardon, per rerum natural order of things this means 24horas is right - notice that everytime Clarence says those 3 words he his in fact denying a true fact as in the follow example:
Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts. 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened. The Guardian 06 April 2008
"It was made out to be the biggest 'conspiracy' since the Diana 'conspiracy,'" says Mitchell. "Some of the group (of friends in the tapas restaurant) had their watches on that night, and others didn't... Yorkshire Post 29 May 2008]
PS. I just hope someone is watching the McCanns, desperate people take desperate measures at desperate times.
Also read this article: PJ arrives for last 'round' in England… and Maddie's parents go to Brussels
To explain the contradictions found in the testimonies of the "Tapas 7" and to untangle the theory of kidnapping supported by the parents of Madeleine McCann are the main objectives of the Judiciary Police (PJ), which arrived today in England to carry out the rogatory letter. The PJ wants to understand if some of the persons who were spending holidays with Kate and Gerry, in the Praia da Luz, in Lagos, “lied to corroborate the version of the couple ", explained, to the JN, a source connected with the process. The members of the group of friends are going to be confronted by elements of proof that meantime were gathered...
Meanwhile 24horas came on-line, a quick translation:
The Relation Court Should Not Have Published the Ruling on the Maddie Case
Judge Forgot the Secrecy
The ruling about the Maddie Case was removed from the Court of Évora site
The publication might have broken the secrecy of justice
(...)
In the opinion of Superior Judge of Lisbon, Rui Rangel, "there cannot be publications of process who are still under secrecy of justice". He admits, about this particular ruling, that there could have been "a distraction" by the person who has published it.
(...)
The person who published it explains his actions:
The Judge Chambel Mourisco is going to take a further look at the ruling
"I did not remove the ruling from the site because I though that there was a breach of the secrecy of justice but because I wanted to make it better with other cases connected with communications traffic", justified to 24horas the Judge Chambel Mourisco. "It's my understanding that the secrecy of justice is only breached when something which affects the course of the investigation is published. Here, it was just a decision about a technical detail". However the judge guaranteed that he is going to have another look to the ruling, even because "the press was able to understand that it was about the Maddie Case"
Idd Suko, de PJ bepaalt dat en niemand anders, de McCanns kunnen wel denken dat hun bull-shit naar roosjes ruikt maar wij weten wel beter, het zaakje stinkt, waarom wordt de McCanns van hogerhand beschermd? Waarom duurde het zo lang met die rogatory letters? Waarom heeft de pers een gag-order? Waarom kregen ze 3 weken na de verdwijning CM toegespeeld, nog voordat ze arguido waren? Er moet iets onder het tapijt, er spelen grotere belangen mee dan alleen de vermissing van dat kleine meisje, no way in hell dat dit hele apparaat in gang is gezet vanwege de verdwijning van Maddy.quote:Dat ze nooit meer naar Portugal gaan maakt de PJ wel uit, dat is niet aan de McCanns om dat te beslissen. Dát is volgens mij ook de boodschap van de McCanns, wat er ook gebeurd, wij komen niet naar Portugal....Zouden ze trouwens dan ook zeker weten dat Madeleine daar niet ergens is, een gedachte om over na te denken....En waarom een secret break? Als die reconstructie wel een soort Opsporing Verzocht was geworden hadden ze ook vast geen bezwaar tegen een a huge bun fight... IMO leest dit verhaal als een statement. De McCanns zijn duidelijk klaar met Portugal en de PJ, en wordt de rest een advocaten-verhaal. Tijd voor de Tapas 7 to spill the beans! Afijn, misschien gaan de McCanns met Clarence Mitchell mee naar Ierland of Spanje (zie eerdere post), posters ophangen enzo, hoeven ze elkaar ook niet te missen...
Wat ik nu weer zo typisch vind is dat memo's voor medewerkers feilloos hun weg vinden naar de pers, dit is klaarblijkelijk gelekt, buiten het feit dat dit niet zo kies is (vind ik overigens ook hoor) denk ik dat die mevrouw haar baan best had kunnen houden als dit niet in de krant terecht was gekomen, een excuus in een volgend memo en een waarschuwing voor haar zou dan genoeg zijn geweest.quote:Hooi Kahaarin! Ha ha, goeie tip voor Ironside indeed!Wat dat ontslag betreft, ik weet het niet. De hele wereld wordt al maandenlang in de z**k genomen door de McConns, maar blijft natuurlijk voor/over een vermist kind pijnlijk en smakeloos. Het is meer een klap naar de McCanns, en dat is wel te begrijpen waarom mensen dat doen, ook zij irriteren mij mateloos en kan hartelijk lachen om al die cartoons die je op het net ziet.
Dat hadden wij ook al tegen elkaar gezegd toch?quote:En columnist van The Sun Jon Gaunt schrijft vandaag, gelezen op het 3arguidoforum: "The only holiday destination the mccanns should be flying to is portugal where they should be taking part in a reconstruction to find more clues to what happened to their daughter last year. How can they consider a holiday when they said they would do anything to find madeleine? Anything of course apart from return to the scene of the crime and face the very real possibility of being arrested for child neglect for leaving maddie and the twin siblings home alone. When kate and gerry asked the british public for donations the donors expected more for them." Oke, lekker scherp, maar ik voeg er zelf aan toe, niet alleen neglect maar ook als gevolg daarvan, vermoedelijk vermist/dood door schuld en natuurlijk ook het tegenwerken van de rechtsgang.![]()
Hoe verzin je het!quote:Idd Suko, de PJ bepaalt dat en niemand anders, de McCanns kunnen wel denken dat hun bull-shit naar roosjes ruikt maar wij weten wel beter
Ja wel, volgens mij alleen met de bedoeling dat ze never nooit meer naar Portugal gaan, hakken in het zand, voor hetzelfde geld gaan ze een paar honderd meter verderop zitten, maar deze 'verpakte' boodschap moest ff de wereld in, desnoods onder het mom van die arme tweeling, imo dan.quote:Een geheime vakantie in de pers brengen is ook geen handige zet van CM.
En zo is het maar netquote:Op maandag 2 juni 2008 22:48 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
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Beste Suko,
Maak je maar geen zorge hoor, ik trek Mitchell z'n onderbroek over zijn hoofd met zijn broek aan...![]()
Nee eerlijk gezegd verwacht ik hier geen problemen, mocht dat wel zo zijn dan krijgen ze toch echt te maken met 2 moordwijven, Yvonne en Danny en alle FA's geloof me DAT is eng..
Uhm nou, soms ben ik die 2 gewoon een beetje zat en dan ontglipt me zoiets.quote:Op vrijdag 6 juni 2008 14:02 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hoe verzin je het!Inderdaad typisch dat bad jokes wel de pers halen maar belastende berichten van/over bv de Tapas 3 worden genegeerd. Vast en zeker misbruikt Mitchell ook dit soort berichten om aandacht te trekken. Zeker is die Joana Morais het lezen waard, ondanks dat ze soms wat te fanatiek is mag ik haar graag lezen. Als Portugese heeft ze van mij een vrijbrief om voor haar land en landgenoten op te komen. En verder heeft ze een giga-geheugen, ze kan a la minuut oudere berichten herinneren die perfect passen bij de nieuwste artikelen waardoor de lezer een beter beeld krijgt hoe de vork in de steel zit. Ik weet zo gauw geen Britse blogger die zijn/haar landgenoten, in dit geval de McCanns & Co, met een echt zeer kritisch oog beschrijft. Charlotte van Cutting through the rubbish (nu voorgoed verdwenen) in zeker mate maar over het algemeen vrij mild, dat zal wel typisch engels zijn, zij kunnn wel dodelijk scherp zijn maar verpakt, als kaaskop lees ik daar soms overheen.
Tijd voor de Portugese pers om weer eens met wat nieuws te komen, schiet allemaal niet op zo, bring it on!
Ja tuurlijk is dit propaganda, maar het is soms net alsof ze denken dat de hele wereld om hen draait, wat kan het mij schelen dat ze op vakantie gaan en weigeren naar Portugal te gaan, laat ze eerst maar eens op zoek gaan naar hun dochtertje, ipv charities en evenementen aflopen.quote:Ja wel, volgens mij alleen met de bedoeling dat ze never nooit meer naar Portugal gaan, hakken in het zand, voor hetzelfde geld gaan ze een paar honderd meter verderop zitten, maar deze 'verpakte' boodschap moest ff de wereld in, desnoods onder het mom van die arme tweeling, imo dan.
Jeeeeeeeez, wat ben ik het weer walgelijk met je eens...quote:Op vrijdag 6 juni 2008 14:18 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Uhm nou, soms ben ik die 2 gewoon een beetje zat en dan ontglipt me zoiets.![]()
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Joana is een heel mooi voorbeeld van een betrokken Portugese die de zaak vanuit haar perspectief heel mooi aanvult, natuurlijk is ze een beetje bevooroordeeld, dat geeft niets, haar stukjes zijn iig eerlijk en tonen meer betrokkenheid dan alle CM spin bij elkaar.![]()
Dat heb ik ook bij die Britse berichten, ik denk ook dat die niet vrijuit kunnen publiceren op het moment....![]()
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Ja tuurlijk is dit propaganda, maar het is soms net alsof ze denken dat de hele wereld om hen draait, wat kan het mij schelen dat ze op vakantie gaan en weigeren naar Portugal te gaan, laat ze eerst maar eens op zoek gaan naar hun dochtertje, ipv charities en evenementen aflopen.
ja, alle neusjes weer dezelfde kant uit idd.quote:Op vrijdag 6 juni 2008 14:34 schreef Suko het volgende:
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Jeeeeeeeez, wat ben ik het weer walgelijk met je eens...Overigens maakt ook de Nederlandse blogger 'Ko van Dijk vertelt' een sick joke, maar ja, beetje flauw eigenlijk. Was er maar een Portugese of Engelse Peter R. de Vries...sjucht.
Kijk, dat voelt ff wat veiliger want het is wel zo dat een aantal fora en bloggers worden gescreend door dat bureau van media lawyers carter-ruck, in dienst van de McCanns. Webbeheerders kunnen dat zien aan hun logs. Het zal hier op FOK niet zo'n vaart lopen vermoedelijk, alhoewel vrijwel alle relevante posten alhier op andere fora worden geplaatst, wel leuk natuurlijk maar vast en zeker worden wij daardoor ook gescreend, heb ook wel weer wat, hoi Clarrie...quote:
Ik geloof dat Peter R. de Vries alleen Nederlandse zaken onderzoekt, alhoewel die Joran v/d Sloot niet eens hier woonde. Misschien bedenkt hij zich nog, het is tenslotte een wereldzaak, en van publiciteit is hij niet vies...quote:Op vrijdag 6 juni 2008 14:44 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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ja, alle neusjes weer dezelfde kant uit idd.![]()
Peter R de Vries mag er van mij ook wel zelf induiken, geen punt. Misschien dat hij die Engelsen met hun voetjes terug op de grond kan zetten.![]()
Hihi, Ko, heb je de commentaren gezien?![]()
Dit kan imho nog, het is geen sneer naar de ouders, het meisje wordt niet belachelijk gemaakt, het is duidelijk een sneer naar een bepaalde manier van berichtgeving.
Zo is dat Tmaatje, niet voor niets doen fora én bloggers het 'werk' wat uiteindelijk eigenlijk door doorgewinterde, met name uit de UK, journalisten hadden moeten doen. Overigens is er eventueel sprake van een aanhouding, mocht dat als consequentie zijn nu niemand naar de reconstructie wil komen en met name als eerste de weigering van de McCanns. Op het 3arguidoforum stelt Beachy over tenminste een geval van neglect én erger als reactie op de OP: "There is no requirement in the conventions creating the EAW that says that the penalty for an offence must be the same in both countries in order for an EAW to be enforceable, so the fact that the penalty for child neglect in the UK is generally 2 years upon indictment and in Portugal it can be considerably more depending on whether or not harm comes to the child would not make an EAW unenforceable in the UK."quote:Op vrijdag 6 juni 2008 22:50 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Kijk de waarheid mag gezegd worden, ook al is het niet datgene wat de PR machine van de McCanns wil horen. Eerlijk gezegd hoop ik op een internationaal opsporingsbevel asap.
quote:Madeleine McCann: Selling Portugal And Imagining Pain
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
AMANDA PLATELL (Daily Mail): “It’s impossible to imagine the pain of Kate and Gerry McCann planning their first holiday with their three-year-old twins since Madeleine disappeared more than a year ago.”
Impossible? You can try…
Every moment of happiness which the rest of us take for granted - birthdays, holidays, Christmas - must serve only as a painful reminder of their loss.
But I, for one, applaud them for trying to give Sean and Amelie as ordinary a life as possible. The easy thing would be to give in to sorrow. The hardest thing is to go on living and loving for your remaining children.
Or so one would imagine…
TRAVEL VIDEO.TV: “Rejuvenating Portugal’s historic spas”
Very little is often heard in the news about Portuguese tourism. Except for the unfortunate circumstance about the disappearance of toddler Madeleine McCann, there is hardly ever any mention of Portugal in the global tourism arena. This may soon change.
How so?
Armed with a product that is full of promise, Portuguese tourism is now reaching out to the media with one very clear message: Portugal wants spa aficionados to consider Portugal as their next destination. Historic spa resorts across Portugal are being reborn for the modern traveler, the Portuguese National Tourism Office (PNTO) has claimed. As part of this effort, new luxury spas are dotting up across in the country that has always been thought of as “a garden by the sea,” with green inviting landscapes, and in some places the waters are known to be therapeutic.
Let us know when you see mention of Madleine McCann…
IMO heeft het arme Portugal enorm het toerisme nodig, de berichtgeving in de Britse pers over dit land heeft ontzettend veel schade toegebracht. Een beetje promotie lijkt me logisch, zonder Madeleine te noemen, maar misschien lees ik dit verkeerd.quote:Let us know when you see mention of Madleine McCann
Dit verhaal ga ik nog eens goed nalezen alhoewel het best duidelijk is beschreven. Overigens is een aantal posters hier en daar van mening dat de McCanns mogelijk de vlucht nemen naar een land waar geen uitleveriingsverdrag is met de UK, het zou ook mij niet verbazen.quote:santacoloma wrote:
Would be grateful if you could refresh my memory, HawkEyes. We wouldn't like to think there will be another farcical delay, like that of the Rogatory letters. So, once the Prosecutor decides to issue EAWs, will they be served quickly? I should imagine it is a fairly frequent procedure, requiring some urgency in most cases. Will there be any reason at all for the Home Office to hold them up?
The European Arrest Warrant means faster and simpler surrender procedures and no more political involvement. It also means that Member States can no longer refuse to surrender to another Member State their own citizens who have committed a serious crime, or who are suspected of having committed such a crime in another EU country, on the ground that they are nationals.
All Member States of the European Union were required to introduce legislation to bring the European arrest warrant (EAW) into force by 1 January 2004. An EAW may be issued by a national court if the person whose return is sought is accused of an offence for which the penalty is at least over a year in prison or if he or she has been sentenced to a prison term of at least four months. Its purpose is to replace lengthy extradition procedures with a new and efficient way of bringing back suspected criminals who have absconded abroad and for people convicted of a serious crime who have fled the country, in order to forcibly transfer them from one Member State to another for conducting a criminal prosecution or executing a custodial sentence or detention order. The EAW enables such people to be returned within a reasonable time for their trial to be completed or for them to be put in prison to serve their sentence.
The EAW is based on the principle of mutual recognition of judicial decisions. This means that a decision by the judicial authority of a member state to require the arrest and return of a person should be recognized and executed as quickly and as easily as possible in the other Member States. The European arrest warrant, however, introduces some novelties compared to the former extradition procedures:
* Faster procedures: The State in which the person is arrested has to return him/her to the State where the EAW was issued within a maximum period of 90 days of the arrest. If the person gives consent to the surrender, the decision shall be taken within 10 days.
* Simpler procedures: The dual criminality principle - which means that both the country requesting extradition and the country that should arrest and return the alleged criminal, recognize and accept that what he or she is alleged to have done, is a crime - is abolished for 32 serious categories of offences. These include participation in a criminal organisation, terrorism, trafficking in human beings, sexual exploitation of children and child pornography, illicit trafficking in arms, ammunition and explosives, corruption, fraud including fraud pertaining to the financial interest of the European Union, money laundering and counterfeiting of money including the euro. European arrest warrants issued in respect of crimes or alleged crimes on this list have to be executed by the arresting state irrespective of whether or not the definition of the offence is the same, providing that the offence is serious enough and punished by at least 3 years' imprisonment in the Member State that has issued the warrant. For offences which are not in the list or beyond the 3 years' threshold, the dual criminality principle still applies.
* No political involvement: In extradition procedures, the final decision on whether to surrender the person or not, is a political decision. The EAW procedure abolished the political stage of extradition. This means that the execution of these warrants is simply a judicial process under the supervision of the national judicial authority which is, inter alia, responsible for ensuring the respect of fundamental rights.
* Surrender of nationals: EU countries can no longer refuse to surrender their own nationals. The EAW is based on the principle that EU citizens shall be responsible for their acts before national courts across the EU. This means that it will not be possible in principle for a Member State to refuse to surrender one of its citizens who has committed a crime in another EU state on the ground that he or she is a national. On the other hand, it will be possible for a Member State, while surrendering this person, to ask for their return on its territory to serve its sentence in order to facilitate future reintegration.
* Guarantees: The EAW ensures a good balance between efficiency and strict guarantees that the arrested person's fundamental rights are respected. In implementing the framework decision on the EAW, Member States and national courts have to respect the provisions of the European Convention on Human Rights and to ensure that it is respected. Anyone arrested under an EAW may have a lawyer, and if necessary an interpreter, as provided by the law of the country where he or she has been arrested. If judgement was given in his absence against anyone later arrested under an EAW, he has to be retried in the country requiring his return.
Grounds for refusal:
The surrender of the person can be refused on several grounds (see Arts. 3 and 4 of the Framework Decision) among which:
* the "ne bis in idem" or double jeopardy principle: This means that the person will not be returned to the country that issued the arrest warrant if he or she has already been tried for the same offence.
* amnesty: A Member State can refuse to return a person if an amnesty covers the offence in its national legislation.
* statutory limitation: A Member State can refuse to return a person if the offence is statute barred according to its law (which means that the time limit has been passed and that it is too late under that country's law to prosecute the person).
* the age of the person: A Member State can also refuse to return a person who is a minor and has not reached the age of criminal responsibility under its national laws.
It is also possible for a Member State to execute directly the sentence decided in another Member State instead of surrendering the person to that Member State.
Life sentence:
Where someone arrested under an EAW may be sentenced to life imprisonment, the state executing the EAW may insist, as a condition of executing the arrest warrant, that if sentenced to life, the accused person will have a right to have its personal situation periodically reconsidered.
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I have highlighted the relevant sections to answer your questions, santacoloma. Further, under Grounds for Refusal, since none of these scenarios apply, the process should be straightforward without further intervention from the Home Office.
Idd een duidelijk stuk, weer een beetje helder hoe het daar precies toegaat.quote:Op zaterdag 7 juni 2008 20:48 schreef Suko het volgende:
Het lijkt me toch zinvol deze uitleg te plaatsen mocht de aanklacht verlopen via de EAW-procedure, zoals dat kennelijk heet. HawkEyes1 heeft een ander op rij gezet op een vraag van een poster:
Dit verhaal ga ik nog eens goed nalezen alhoewel het best duidelijk is beschreven. Overigens is een aantal posters hier en daar van mening dat de McCanns mogelijk de vlucht nemen naar een land waar geen uitleveriingsverdrag is met de UK, het zou ook mij niet verbazen.
Rondje Anorak: http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/184637.htmlquote:Madeleine McCann: Fact Checking The Truth About Maddie McCann And Ben Affleck’s Fiction As Fact
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
Ben Affleck has a new panic film – Gone Baby Gone - in which the lead child is blonde enough to remind all reviewers of Madeleine McCann. The film – a work of fiction - cannot be mentioned without also making mention of missing Madeleine.
It is the 12th Rule of Journalism.
THE OBSERVER: “The cruellest crime of all -Delayed by the McCann case, Ben Affleck’s intense and gripping thriller is well worth the wait”
Crimes involving children touch on our deepest emotions and though we’ve seen numerous films about infant abduction over the past 50 years, ranging in tone from Seance on a Wet Afternoon to Murder on the Orient Express, the subject is peculiarly affecting at the moment in the light of the publicity given to the cases of Shannon Matthews in Dewsbury and Madeleine McCann in Portugal… To add to the anxiety, there is an uncanny physical resemblance between Madeleine McCann and the film’s four-year-old Amanda McCready.
It’s tabloid bingo, in the broadsheet Observer! Can anyone mention Fritzl and get the prize?
IRISH INDEPENDENT: “It’s a film that examines the media hysteria and prurience that happens when children are abducted — especially pertinent themes in our post-Madeleine post-Austrian crazies times.”
Double points for the Irish Indy which manages to work in a reference to Josef Fritzl, whose crimes came to light more than year after Affleck finished his film.
Bingo!
SUNDAY INDEPENDENT: “A child is gone, but a reputation is reborn: Ben Affleck’s directorial debut was withdrawn last year because of the McCann case. It still makes disturbing viewing”
A missing child, but an actor reprieved. There’s a film in this.
Anyone likely to feel pained by the topic should know that Gone Baby Gone is no more comfortable to watch in 2008 than it would have been when Madeleine McCann stared out from every front page.
SUNDAY TIMES: “Gone Baby Gone - the Sunday Times review”
The UK release of the film was delayed because of the similarity between the name of the abducted child in the script – four-year-old Amanda McCready – and that of Madeleine McCann.
Mc… Mc… Is John McEnroe commentating on Wimbledon this year? Just wondering…
DAILY TELEGRAPH (Aus): “Extract: Truth about Maddie McCann”
IN this extract from Vanished, a book by Danny Collins, the Madeleine McCann mystery is again under the spotlight.
Facts as fiction. Facts as entertainment. Selling Madeleine McCann:
As a bilingual expat, Murat often worked for local police as a translator in cases involving English-speaking tourists.
In fact, it would later be revealed that he had acted in the role of interpreter for the Portuguese police during their questioning of two of the McCanns’ dinner companions, now dubbed the “Tapas Seven” by the ever-epigraphic UK press.
Surely the Tapas Nine?
Back to the facts checker, Mr Collins…
THE SUN - The UK release of Gone Baby Gone was delayed by seven months because of the strong similarities with the Madeleine McCann case.
TIME OUT - Due to superficial resemblances to the Madeleine McCann kidnapping case, ‘Gone Baby Gone’ was withdrawn from the London Film Festival last year…
Fact as fiction…
Ik hou het maar heel simpel, de McCanns hebben vanaf het begin alle hulp/adviezen gekregen uit de UK en zodra ze weigerden verdere vragen te beantwoorden en vervolgens tot formeel verdachten werden verklaard zijn ze gevlucht naar de UK en hebben ze zich 'verstopt' achter een muur van big shots en top-adcocaten, niets meer, niets minder. En zoals we onlangs konden lezen zijn ze niet van plan ooit nog naar Portugal terug te keren, kennelijk in de wetenschap dat Madeleine dáár niet (meer) is én bang dat ze alsnog in het cachot worden gegooid. De rest is gemierenne*k op de 4-kante centimeter...quote:British Foreign Office helped the McCann to go back home
vertaling van het artikel op sosmaddie.dhblogs.be gelezen op het 3arguidoforum inclusief commentaren op onderstaande artikelmet en een link naar een eerder artikel van dezelfde journo's: Why did the chickens run away?
Between September 7 and 10, last year, Kate McCann was fighting for her life, according to The News of the World, because Portuguese authorities were trying to frame her. "They want me to lie - I'm being framed”, Kate told the Sunday Mirror. The reason, she explained, was the fact that Polícia Judiciária was “running out of budget for this investigation and want it to end". Another reason, she said, was that Portuguese Police “don't want a murder in Portugal and all the publicity about them not having paedophile laws here, so they're blaming us."
But at the same time, Gerry McCann admitted that he was already informed by his lawyers that PJ “may have cobbled together enough to charge them.” Even being "absolutely confident' there was no evidence to link him and Kate with any suspicion of murder” of their daughter, Gerry admitted the “latest twist of events”, during the first weeks of September, “had left him with 'anxieties". According to the September 9 edition of The News of The World, “the McCann now fear the cops may be about to arrest and charge them. Gerry told us: 'Our lawyer said the weight of it is that, under the Portuguese legal system, they've got enough to move forward against us."
The father of Madeleine McCann considered also the possibility that “sooner or later, there'll be a formal process whereby we can rebut things in court. Then it will all come out. Gerry explained that the McCann were “negotiating with the police” in order “to be allowed to go home to the UK”, after being named as “arguidos”, or formal suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
As those negotiations were going on, the “Foreign Office was 'firing on all cylinders' in its efforts to help the McCann”, as the Telegraph wrote on September 10. And the agreement that allowed Gerry and Kate to go back to the UK was reached through direct contacts between the British Foreign Office, the Portuguese Justice and Foreign Office ministers and PJ, with the help of John Buck, UK Ambassador in Portugal at the time. Justine McGuiness and David Hughes, members of the McCann team of advisers, played also an important role in those contacts.
A source from PJ explained that if the couple had attempted to leave Portugal before the questioning that took place between 7 and 8 of September, the Public Prosecutor's Office had instructed PJ inspectors to stop them and was ready to name them as "arguidos" and impose more severe restrictions on their movements. The Portuguese authorities accepted a “gentlemen's agreement”, after the Foreign Office guaranteed that the couple would return to Portugal, whenever the Public Prosecutor's Office requested their presence.
The sudden change of attitude from the McCann, trying to go back to UK after promising that they would never leave without Madeleine, happened two months after a special British police team came to Praia da Luz, with Eddie and Keela, dogs trained to detect the smell of blood and dead bodies. But one month before being named “arguidos”, the PJ spokesman, Olegário de Sousa, had already revealed, on a interview with BBC, on August 10, that police was following a new line of inquiry which included the possibility of Madeleine being dead.
Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis
Nou, dat valt nog te bezien. Het onderzoek wat zich richt op abduction, homicide, exposure or abandonment of a child, and concealment of a corpse is nog in 'volle' gang. Het is het publiek niet duidelijk wát er aan keihard bewijs is gevonden en indien wél dan staan er nog een aantal procedures op stapel. Het onderzoek wordt bemoelijkt door tegenwerking van de ouders én de Tapas 7, ondanks dat ze het hele jaar door zowat van de daken schreeuwen dat ze alle medewerling zullen verlenen....not! Tot nu toe geloof ik dat ze wetenschap hebben dat Madeine niet meer leeft, mogelijk door een ongeluk terwijl de McCanns niet aanwezig waren en vervolgens Madeleine hebben 'kwijt' gemaakt. Een andere theorie hou ik het achterhoofd, ik sluit niet uit dat Kate of ook Gerry haar/zijn zelfbeheersing heeft verloren en Madeleine iets te hard heeft aangepakt en vervolgings met behulp van een aantal Tapas-vrienden Madeleine, zoals in de eerste theorie, hebben 'kwijt' gemaakt. Waarom die vrienden dan niet praten zou kunnen komen omdat een aantal van hen ook de kids zonder checks alleen hebben gelaten. Mogelijk heeft Gerry iets belastends over één van hen, Mike Oldfield heeft bv een gevalletje medische misser op z'n naam en Gerry zou hem destijds hebben ingedekt of dat moet nog bepaald worden of er sprake van schuld is. Maar goed, voorlopig is er de gedachte dat de PJ rustig doorwerkt om de zaak rond te krijgen. Wij wachten af, it's not over....yet!quote:Op zondag 8 juni 2008 12:57 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
Jammer dat ze wegkomen met moord
Het zal mij benieuwen of de naamgeving van het Amber Alert systeem zal veranderen, in bv Madeleine Alert systeem, ze zijn er ijdel genoeg voor...quote:McCanns could be off to Strasbourg in two weeks time, 03 June 2008 (Bron)
Hello! magazine No. 1024, 10 June 2008 (issue date: 03 June 2008) (No online link)
McCanns to fight neglect charges
Kate and Gerry McCann have vowed to vigorously contest neglect charges after court documents revealed that they have not yetbeen put in the clear over their missing daughter Madeleine.
Papers released last week show that police in Portugal have failed to rule out homicide, abandonment, concealment of a corpse and abduction. The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell told HELLO! "Kate and Gerry have received legal advice both in Portugal and England that they did everything within the bounds of reasonable parenting. They vigorously deny the neglect charges." Kate and Gerry are both still arguidos, official suspects in the investigation.
It was also reported last week that their friends, dubbed the "The Tapas Seven", will not return to Portugal to take part in a reconstruction of Madeleine's disappearance a year ago, days before her fourth birthday. They fear that they too will become suspects and that the exercise will not achieve anything.
Meanwhile, the McCanns are considering heading to Strasbourg in two weeks to bolster support for the campaign, backed by HELLO!, to introduce a European-wide child abduction scheme, based on the AMBER Alert system in the US.
Zeker weten Tmaatje, maar ja, heel misschein krijgen ze toch niet voldoende steun qua benodigde aantal MP's, weet je veel, mogelijk klapt het hele plan wel in elkaar....zal mij benieuwen hoeveel geld ze hiermee weer verdienen. Hello Magazine is bekend om de bereidheid grote bedragen te betalen, onlangs is de bruiloft van de Britse Queen grandson Peter Phillips and his Canadian bride voor £500,000 verkocht, the Queen was not amused...telegraph It's all about money...quote:Op zondag 8 juni 2008 22:49 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Dan liever nieuws uit Portugal..
Middag all.quote:Op maandag 9 juni 2008 11:54 schreef Smart_ass het volgende:
Ouders zijn zo schuldig als wat.
Nice one Mr Ellis, hete kooltje uit het vuur halen voor de nu zo geplaagde PM Gordon Brown, die zowat in de polls op het nuluint zit? Wat een geslijm van hier tot gunder. Kan ook nog deels zijn dat de Mitchell-spin rond de McCanns iets te ver is gegaan, het vertrouwen van het publiek wekken door belangrijke namen te benadrukken. Het is vrij normaal dat burgers met problemen elders dan in het vaderland enige hulp krijgen van het consulaat ter plekke maar deze overheids-inmenging ging veel verder. Ook heeft Gerry McCann een adviesfunctie bij de Britse overheid en een broer van Gordon Brown is bevriend met de McCanns. Anyway, laten we vooral niet vergeten hoe de Britse Home Office de afronding van de Rogatory Letters (een procedure wat nodig was voor de recente verhoren in de UK) ernstig heeft getraineerd. Er zijn wat mij betreft genoeg redenen geweest dat zeker wél de Britse overheid een vette vindger in de pap heeft gehad en mogelijk nog heeft. Naast mogelijk verlies van dikke advertentie-gelden (een paar bazen van veel Britse kranten zijn erg machtig, denk aan Murdoch) is dat imo ook de reden dat de Britse pers het zo ernstig heeft laten afweten en eigenlijk ook niet meer kán beginnen met vragen te stellen, dat zou men moeten toegeven dat de journo's hun taak in deze ernstig hebben verzuimd.quote:UK Ambassador denies contacts between Governments about Madeleine's case
“The only thing I know about the investigation is that Madeleine is still missing”, Alexander Ellis, UK Ambassador in Portugal, told Jornal de Notícias. Alexander Ellis told that what the British Embassy did, in the Madeleine McCann case, was just to “facilitate meetings between the relevant authorities and giving all the necessary support to the British citizens involved in the case.”
Asked if there were any contacts between the British and Portuguese Governments about the case, taking in account the fact that Clarence Mitchell, at the time a UK Prime-Minister's office high ranking official, was sent to Praia da Luz, to help the McCann couple, Alexander Ellis said: “I don't believe. This is a question for Police, not for the Governments, and the authorities have been working with a good coordination.”
But Gordon Brown, speaking to journalists in Lisbon, before the EU summit, on October 2007, said that he was planning to talk, with the Portuguese Prime-Minister about questions related to Madeleine McCann disappearance. The Portuguese Prime-Minister Press Office denied that the question of Madeleine's investigation was ever referred, during the meeting with Gordon Brown. “The only subjects raised during the meeting between Gordon Brown and José Sócrates were related to the EU summit. All the rest is pure speculation”, according to the same source, quoted by Portuguese daily Correio da Manhã. A spokesman for Mr. Gordon Brown denied this and told British Media that prime minister Gordon Brown spoke to his Portuguese counterpart Jose Socrates about Madeleine during the EU summit in Lisbon. Mr Brown’s official spokesman said: “They both agreed what matters was there should be the closest possible co-operation between the Portuguese and British police.”
UK Government also “believes that Durão Barroso is in a very good position” to be the first post-Lisbon Treaty EU President, according to the UK Ambassador. Alexander Ellis is married with a Portuguese and during the two years before being appointed as Ambassador in Lisbon, he was one of the advisers of Durão Barroso, current EU President.
Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis Bron
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/184760.htmlquote:Madeleine McCann: Email Hoaxes and TV Thrillers
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
THE GUARDIAN: “Beware of the hoax”
Emails that warn of preying rapists and ruthless carjackers are currently doing the rounds, but how seriously should we take them? Viv Groskop reports…
Emails?
Other warnings are born out of the fear generated by a real crime. Shortly after the Madeleine McCann case hit the headlines last year I received a “watch out” email from a friend of a friend about a local mother who claimed the police had told her a “paedophile ring” was operating in the area, after her child was almost snatched from her car. I talked to the police about this and they confirmed that there was a grain of truth in it: a local mother had reported that she had seen two men standing near her car. The police hadn’t been able to ascertain any criminal intent though, and they definitely didn’t mention anything about paedophiles. The story had simply spiralled.
Spreading the fear…
STUFF (NZ): “TV review: Thriller ripples with creepy menace”
No one makes thrillers quite like the English, with their ability to conjure out of the most mundane situations and artefacts the heights of creepiness and menace - exactly the cleverness of Sunday’s two-parter Bon Voyage.
Fact and fiction.
With echoes of the Madeleine McCann affair, this is the story of an English family on a camping trip to France, expecting the typical, rather boring, bickery sort of fortnight the Poms usually have abroad, when the two children are kidnapped.
Echoes of fact in work of fiction? It’s what passes for TV realism. It’s entertainment…
Met andere woorden, ze moeten voor eind juli in totaal 393 handtekeningen binnen zien te krijgen, dacht ik te begrijpen...what ever en anders beginnen ze toch gewoon voor zichzelf, ouders met een stempel op hun (niet zo schone) kont als formeel verdachten die een alert systeem voor vermiste kindjes opzetten binnen Europa, again...anything goes.quote:211 MEP's sign up for AMBER Alert scheme, 10 June 2008
Hello! magazine No. 1025, 17 June 2008 (issue date: 10 June 2008) (No online link)
Kate and Gerry McCann have won the backing of 211 MEPs in their campaign backed by HELLO! to introduce a Europe-wide child alert abduction scheme based on the US AMBER Alert system. The couple, whose elder daughter Madeleine disappeared in Portugal more than a year ago, need a total of 393 signatories by the end of July.
Politicians sponsoring the move in the European Parliament are still confident that they will reach their goal. A spokesman for the McCanns said "They will be urging every MEP to sign in coming weeks".
Het hek is nu echt van de dam wat betreft sneren naar de betrokkenen bij het onderzoek/de lobby van Maddy....quote:Madeleine McCann: Why Gordon Brown Did It
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
The Madeleine McCann case is not making much news. But you can still find the missing child being used as a point of reference for lazy hacks looking for context:
DAILY MIRROR: “If I hadn’t been found I would have had a different life -
EXCLUSIVE 20 YEARS ON ..KIDNAP BABY NATALIE”
When she was cruelly snatched aged five months by a woman posing as a store detective, Natalie became Britain’s most famous baby.
That’s Natalie Horrell, in case you’ve forgotten.
For five agonising days, her parents Margaret and Paul were at the centre of a massive hunt until their little girl was found safe and well 200 miles away with a woman who desperately wanted her own baby to keep her marriage alive. Her abductor Delia McCall was jailed for three years for the kidnap, which was foiled when her ex-husband tipped off the police.
But what has it to do with Madeleine McCann?
Says Natalie, one imagines at the Mirror’s invitation to comment on the McCanns:
When Madeleine McCann went missing, I hated it when people started turning against her parents Gerry and Kate. My mum heard people saying things like that in front of her and it upset her, it brought back a lot of memories. Lots of people make mistakes but you can’t go on judging people.
THE TIMES: “Why good husbands have affairs - It seems that what men judge to be logical and stoic behaviour can often seem callous and even immoral to women”
Hwo to link American counsellor, Mira Kirshenbaum’s book called When Good People Have Affairs with a missing child:
“The film The Queen shows in beautiful detail what happened when the British people chose those female values over male stoicism. And it’s why Gordon Brown has to take a direct interest in, say, the Madeleine McCann case.”
And nothing to do with mawkishness and a decent photo opportunity…
En waaron doet de UK niet mee? Een poster meldt scherp:quote:11.6.08
European police organizes a child kidnap simulation
Portuguese and Spanish police officers will participate, as observers, on a simulated child's kidnapping, to take place on June 12. The simulation was proposed by the French Justice minister, Rachida Dati, in order to test the coordination of the authorities of all EU countries in these kind of crimes. The simulated kidnap will take place in France. A child from Luxembourg will be “kidnapped” by two police officers, who will try to drive her from France through Belgium, to an unknown destiny, using a car with a Dutch licence plate. Police from France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Holland will participate in the attempt to trace, find and arrest the “kidnappers”. UK police was also invited as an observer, but refused the invitation. Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis Bron
En iemand anders :quote:"because its 'only' a foreign child being abducted and driven across Europe, they are not interested unless it is a Brit or relates to Brits, and of course that would never happen in the UK, children are routinely left in unlocked houses while parents dine out didnt you know? left in prams outside shops, such a safe place...."
En zoals bekend zijn er al helemaal geen grenzen tussen Portugal en Spanje. Laten we eerst maar eens beginnen met verantwoordelijk ouderschap, je kan tig systemen opzetten maar als kinderen alleen worden gelaten helpt daar niks tegen. Kind kan al uren weg zijn terwijl ouders nog lekker ziitten te boozen en weigeren oppas te regelen, what's the point....quote:"They only trigger this plan if they have precise indications (plates for exemple). As it's an exercise, they want to see if, with only the country's plate, the car can be stopped at borders. There are borders between Belgian, France, Holland, Germany and Luxembourg. You usually have to slow down and not to stop. But sometimes (terrorist alert for example, or here, abduction plan) there are policemen and you have to stop and show your papers if required.
I said on other threads that IMO, the McCanns wanted to shortcut the French system already presented last year by Rachida Dati to the European Parliament, only for the personal purposes we know. Apparently it's not a concerted plan between the French and the McCann/British MEPs to implant a new Amber Alert because there is no British participation ( confirmed in Levy's article) which is rather strange if we consider they said that the Amber should be introduced in Europe."
Vanzelfsprekend heeft zij ook niet echt de wetenschap in handen maar als ex-cop zijnde somt ze de mogelijkheden op wát eventueel de volgende stappen zouden kunnen zijn en dat deze z'n tijd kennelijk nodig hebben, de tijd die de PJ nodig heeft om tot een juiste beslissing te komen.quote:There was a report in the Portuguese press a few weeks ago saying that the PJ were going over the case file one last time to be certain they had not missed anything before handing it off to the public prosecutor's office for a decision on whether or not charges will be laid against the McCanns.
This decision will lie primarily with Jose Cunha Magalhaes e Meneses, the public prosecutor in Portimao, and Luis Bilro Verão, another experienced public prosecutor brought in last fall from Evora to work with Mr. Magalhaes e Meneses, supported, of course, by their respective staffs. The final call will not be up to Paulo Rebelo or anyone else from the PJ; that is the way it is with these things.
We do not know at this point just what evidence is in the investigative file, but there are a few things that can be said about the likely outcome:
(1) The McCanns could be charged with neglect for leaving Madeleine and the twins alone. It is also possible that Jane Tanner and Rob O'Brien could face similar charges, as could Matthew and Rachel Manpilly Oldfield. Charges against the Paynes would seem to be less likely, because according to press reports they had a working baby monitor which they used when they left their children alone to go out to dinner. Whilst it would not be satisfactory to many of us here as a way to monitor the health and safety of a small child left alone and otherwise out of sight and sound, it is not so different from a baby listening service; therefore, in my opinion, it is unlikely that the Paynes would be charged.
(2) If the PJ have evidence that Madeleine is dead (if, for example, forensic testing showed that the hairs found in the hire car came from a dead person, and testing of mitochondrial DNA from the same hairs established Madeleine as the likely donor), then the big question arises: How did her death occur? Was it purest accident, something that would have been very unlikely to have happened if she had been supervised, and therefore appropriate as the basis for a charge of neglect resulting in death? Was it what we would call manslaughter? Or was it murder, with all that would imply?
If Madeleine is dead, the reason for her death is crucial, as it could provide a motive for the cover-up of her death, improper disposition of her corpse, lying to the police, and possibly the Portuguese equivalent of perverting the course of justice or conspiracy against more than just the McCanns. There would also be the possibility of fraud charges in the UK arising out of the creation of the fund. But the prosecution cannot just theorise about it; whatever elements of the crime form the basis of charges must be proven.
This, I believe, is the central dilemma at this point. Without a confession, witness testimony, or Madeleine's body, it is going to be difficult to prove the manner of her death.
This is why some of us (I believe that Hawkeyes and others also agree with this) have been saying for some time that we believe that, if the PJ can prove that Madeleine is dead, the McCanns should be charged with negligence resulting in death. This is a lesser charge than either manslaughter or premeditated murder, but it does not appear to require proving the manner of Madeleine's death, only that she is dead, and that her death is the result of negligence on the part of her parents in leaving her alone and unsupervised. After all, one charged with such an offence could not very well say in one's defence, "No, you have got it wrong. She did not die as a result of being left alone; we, in fact, murdered her." Similarly, there would seem to be no percentage to make a defence argument to the effect of, "No, she did not die whilst alone on the night of 3 May; she had been dead since the preceding evening." If it is a difficult situation for the prosecution, it could also be the ultimate choice between a rock and a hard place for the defence.
The statute of limitations in this case is more than a decade away from expiring. One thing the PJ could always do is wait to see if Madeleine's body turns up. If she is buried on land, more than likely she will be found at some point; that often happens in missing-body cases. Some hiker in an out-of-the-way place will stumble across a shallow grave, someone's dog will bring home what appears to be a human bone, someone out searching the hills for a lost animal will stumble across a piece of clothing or some other trace of her, or unusually heavy winter rains will unearth her grave, and she will be found. Finding Madeleine's body at this point might or might not make it possible for forensic pathologists to determine the cause of her death. For example, if the hyoid bone in her throat is fractured, that would indicate strangulation. If her skull were fractured, however, it would be hard to determine whether that was the result of accident, manslaughter, or murder. Moreover, if her body were dumped at sea, then recovering it is much less likely.
I wanted to bring this up now, because when one starts thinking it through, it seems to me that it becomes much clearer why the prosecution is taking its time and what they are up against. I am far from in despair about the case, but this is no easy matter; it is a very difficult decision, and those of us who are praying people might do well to pray for Mr. Magalhaes e Meneses and Mr. Bilro Verão, that God will give them grace to decide aright. The lives of not only the McCanns, but the other tapas 7 and their extended families will be unalterably changed one way or the other by the decisions made in the next few weeks and months. There are 8 other very small children, for example, whose parents are involved in this to one degree or another, if only as witnesses.
Assuming that there is nothing shocking that we do not know about and the summarisation of the situation above is more or less correct, what do YOU think the prosecution should do? Wait and hope that Madeleine's body can be found or that there will be some other sort of break in the case? Lay charges now? If so, what do you think the charges should be?
As I have said in other posts, I am not writing this because I have the answers, but because I know I do not and am interested in what other posters think.
quote:Op donderdag 12 juni 2008 22:21 schreef Suko het volgende:
En aangezien het oorverdovend stil qua echt nieuws over Madeleine en de rest in deze tragedie plaats ik hier een post van Beachy, zij heeft al vaker nuttige zaken uitgelegd en de puntjes op de i gezet, hoe staat het er voor, wat zouden de mogelijk aanklachten kunnen zijn, even wat praktische zaken op een rij:
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Vanzelfsprekend heeft zij ook niet echt de wetenschap in handen maar als ex-cop zijnde somt ze de mogelijkheden op wát eventueel de volgende stappen zouden kunnen zijn en dat deze z'n tijd kennelijk nodig hebben, de tijd die de PJ nodig heeft om tot een juiste beslissing te komen.
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Goedemiddag allemaal!quote:Op donderdag 12 juni 2008 22:59 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
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Hmm interessant, ik kan me voorstellen dat de PJ niet over een nacht ijs wilgaan, met zulke hotemetoten...
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/184834.htmlquote:Madeleine McCann: Shannon Matthews, Entertainment And Mr Cheese
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
Madeleine McCann is missing front the front pages. She now only appears in the media in the context of Ben Affleck’s film Gone Baby Gone, a work of fiction based on a work of fiction.
SPIKED ONLINE: Gone, Baby, Gone: who’s fit to be a parent?
With echoes of recent high-profile child abductions, Ben Affleck’s crime drama poses a very modern moral dilemma.
And a cracking night out at the cinema?
I remember when I heard Shannon Matthews had been found alive.
Shannon Matthews?
That moment of relief - and that sense of disappointment at the subsequent arrest of Shannon’s mother and other members of her extended family - came flooding back to me while watching Ben Affleck’s directorial debut, Gone, Baby, Gone.
The mind wanders. The film isn’t that good?
As a number of reviewers have pointed out, the plot of Gone, Baby, Gone bears at least as much relation to the Shannon Matthews case as to that of Madeleine McCann.
Anorak thinks it’s more like Dennis Lehan’s book Gone, Baby, Gone:
Cheese Olamon, “a six-foot-two, four-hundred-and-thirty-pound yellow-haired Scandinavian who’d somehow arrived at the misconception he was black,” is telling his old grammar school friends Patrick Kenzie and Angie Gennaro why they have to convince another mutual chum, the gun dealer Bubba Rugowski, that Cheese didn’t try to have him killed. “You let Bubba know I’m clean when it comes to what happened to him. You want me alive. Okay? Without me, that girl will be gone. Gone-gone. You understand? Gone, baby, gone.”
Is Cheese Craig Meehan, Michael Donovan, Robert Murat, or someone else?
En vervolgens heeft Gerry McCann de tijd gevonden (én ze waren allemaal wat ziekjes) ons te verrassen met een 'nuttige' update op zijn blog:quote:Parents of Maddie in Strasbourg SOS Maddie (French language site)
Duarte Levy 13 June 2008, Thanks to 'FrenchEuropean' for translation
Kate and Gerry McCann have confirmed this afternoon that they will make the trip next Tuesday to the European Parliament in Strasbourg, as authors of a declaration calling for the creation of a European alert system for missing children, and will try to persuade 182 MPs to sign the document. The McCanns played no role in drafting the statement - an initiative of five parliamentarians - but the couple had made its submission to Brussels, despite protests from several MPs.
The document adds nothing new to the intentions of Parliament or the creation of a European warning system that has been under consideration for several years. France, which took the rotating presidency in July, regardless of the statement made in Brussels on April 10, had already made known its intention to approve a European system similar to that which exists in France.
"Until now we have 211 signatures and we need the signature of 393 MEPs, a simple majority in Parliament," said the spokesperson of Kate and Gerry McCann, Clarence Mitchell. The couple had planned to meet several MEPs in private before concluding their day with the usual press conference.
Introduced to Parliament by the Conservative Edward McMillan-Scott, vice-president of Parliament, Gerry and Kate McCann, arguidos in the investigation into the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, had already been heavily criticised in Brussels by several parliamentarians, deeming the visit of the couple inappropriate.
Recently, the couple had found a way not to make the trip to Portugal to participate in the reconstruction of events surrounding the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, as the Portuguese authorities had demanded.
The McCanns are there for nothing
A statement originally submitted on April 10 at the European Parliament in Brussels was not prepared or suggested by the McCanns but the parents of Madeleine, with the support of the British Government, have won the right to attend despite their status as arguidos in Portugal.
Edward McMillan-Scott, Roberta Angelilli, Glenys Kinnock, Evelyne Gebhardt, and Diana Wallis are the five MEPs who originated the document which proposes emergency cooperation between the member states of the European Union to find missing children.
The document calls on member states to conclude cooperation agreements with all the border states in order to give itself the means to launch early warning in the territories concerned. Despite the importance of the guidelines proposed by the document, it is still far from an agreement among all member states.
Yesterday, France - a country where the device Abduction Alert has already proved its efficency, organized a mock abduction in collaboration with Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg. The exercise was conclusive and allowed four organizers to test their reaction, but also working with the media.
The policies of Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Germany and the Czech Republic participated as observers. The United Kingdom, who were invited, chose not to participate.
Zo, even at this stage, wat wijst op een zekere ongemakkelijkheid? Tjee, hoe zou dat nou komen. Misschien had een reisje naar Portugal (reconstructie) hen goed gedaan, ook al gezien de gezondheidsprobleempjes...gemiste kans, of was dit de smoes om niet te gaan...quote:New blog from Gerry, 13 June 2008 First of all apologies for the long gap since my last blog. We are still very busy and the last 2 weeks all four of us have been laid low with a viral illness.
Our investigative team have been very busy working through all the information which has been coming in through the new hotline number and the e-mail addresses – see investigation page. A lot of this information is undoubtedly relevant to the investigation and every piece of information will be followed up- a very time consuming process – so please be patient with us! We are planning a facility to allow the upload of pictures of people who were in the Algarve leading up to Madeleine’s abduction. In the interim pictures can be e-mailed to investigation@findmadeleine.com
The campaign for a Europe wide Amber alert continues. There is approximately one month left to get the majority of MEP’s to sign the written declaration. Edward McMillan- Scott has told us that so far there are 211 signatures therefore we need another 182. Thank you to everyone who has written to MEP’s. Some of the responses that have been sent display a complete lack of understanding in what we hope to achieve. For example some have said they will not sign because such a system is already in place with the 116 000 hotline number. Firstly this number for missing children is only operational in one out of 27 European countries (Greece) so far. Secondly the number does not mean an Amber alert will be issued for an abducted child as no such system exists- hence the written declaration. Thirdly we are looking for cross border cooperation between member states when a child is abducted. Hopefully with more lobbying, we can get the declaration accepted.
We are continually looking to improve the website. Over the next few weeks you should notice some changes. We are planning to have new messages on the home page from Kate and myself. The blog may change to a findmadeleine update, there will be new pages displaying the posters in full and further details of local fundraising events. With the holiday season approaching, we would be really grateful if people would once again download Madeleine posters from the website (available in many different languages in how to help/downloads section) and take them with them for distribution and display. 1 in 6 children are recovered after someone has recognised them from a poster!
Finally, we would like to say thank you to everyone for their continued help and kindness, the many letters, messages of support and prayers. It is reassuring and uplifting that Madeleine is in so many people’s thoughts and prayers even at this stage.
Ook Anorak heeft dit artikel over genomen.quote:McCann couple goes to Strasbourg for a last ditch stand
Gerry and Kate McCann will be in Strasbourg next Tuesday in order to try to secure enough support from Members of the European Parliament for a “written declaration” concerning the creation of a European Amber Alert system covering all 27 EU states. But, in fact, this idea was originally proposed by the EU Commissioner for Justice, Freedom and Security, Mr Franco Frattini, in 2006: a detail never mentioned by the McCanns, their media advisers nor by Clarence Mitchell. Mr Frattini proposed that each country should establish an EU alert system, but it was not an initiative for the European Parliament’s legislature.
However, Deputy Assistant Commissioner Richard Bryan, a UK top ranking police officer, who is the Association of Chief Police Officers head of missing people, told the media in May 2007 that “there was no need to emulate the US system of immediate information broadcasts once children have been reported missing.”
According to the Times on-line edition, “Mr Bryan congratulated the McCanns on doing a 'sterling job' in raising the issue of how police deal with child abductions, but he said that police would rather use other investigative techniques to trace children before going public and potentially alerting abductors.”
The UK already has a national alert system for missing children, as Richard Bryan told the Times, “that has been in place since 2003 in Sussex and it was rolled out nationally by 2006. We have only had to use it on three occasions.”
Since 2006, Mr Frattini’s initial idea has taken shape. In February 2007, the European Commission decided to ask all member states to reserve a dedicated set of national phone numbers starting with “116”. The idea was that they should be used as a hotline in the event of a missing child. So far, 10 EU countries have adopted the idea, but the UK is not one of them.
On April 21, following a meeting with the McCanns, five Members of the European Parliament (Edward McMillan-Scott, Roberta Angelilli, Glenys Kinnock, Evelyne Gebhardt and Diana Wallis) submitted a written declaration to the European Parliament concerning “Emergency Cooperation in Recovering Missing Children.” The declaration “calls on Member States to introduce a missing child alert system” and asks for the creation of a “common organisation to provide assistance and training” to police forces in the 27 EU countries.
In order to have the “written declaration” sent to the EU President and published, the McCanns still need the signatures of 182 more Members of the European Parliament to reach the required number of 393. The “written declaration” is just a way to “launch or relaunch a debate on a subject that comes within the EU’s remit”, but it has no legal implications for the EU state members. Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis
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