Die zal blijven stijgen, maar het probleem wordt steeds groter. Waarschijnlijk moeten we wachten tot de babyboomers doodgaan, dan zakt het hele zooitje vanzelf in elkaar.quote:Op zondag 9 maart 2008 14:00 schreef dewaal het volgende:
maar er is nog steeds krapte op de woningmarkt hier hoe denken jullie over de huizenprijs hier in nederland?
quote:Stocks may fall anew on recession fears
Bron : Reuters
NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. stocks could face a further pounding this week as evidence mounts that the economy has entered a recession and problems in the financial sector accelerate.
The economic agenda is relatively light until Friday, when the Consumer Price Index will command attention, especially with oil's jump last week to a record more than $106 a barrel and the surge in other commodity prices.
But anxiety about inflation will take a back seat to the recession fears rippling from Wall Street to Main Street after Friday's government report showed employers cut payrolls for a second straight month.
At the same time, the financial sector has been pummeled by news showing further signs of troubles related to the subprime mortgage market.
For one, concern about the survival of Thornburg Mortgage Inc (TMA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) increased on Friday after the mortgage lender said it has $610 million of margin calls outstanding as of March 6, an amount exceeding its available liquidity.
The negative news trend is showing few signs of letting up, and could mean more losses for stocks.
"The sentiment right now is extremely bad," said John Praveen, chief investment strategist at Prudential International Investments Advisers LLC in Newark, New Jersey.
"On the economy side, today's numbers on the labor market probably confirm the U.S. is in a recession," Praveen said on Friday, though he added that much uncertainty still exists on the subject.
"On the credit side, we're seeing further stress on mortgage tightening and fallout from that," he added.
The S&P 500 .SPX is now off about 17 percent from its record closing high set back in October, a drop that puts the benchmark index close to crossing the threshold that market technicians consider to be the onset of a bear market.
On Friday, the Dow Jones industrial average .DJI fell 146.70 points, or 1.22 percent, to end at 11,893.69. The Standard & Poor's 500 Index .SPX slid 10.97 points, or 0.84 percent, to 1,293.37. The Nasdaq Composite Index .IXIC dropped 8.01 points, or 0.36 percent, to 2,212.49.
For the week, the Dow lost 3 percent, the S&P 500 shed 2.8 percent and the Nasdaq declined 2.6 percent.
HOPES FOR A FED RESCUE
If there is to be any reprieve for the stock market, it could come from signs the Federal Reserve is contemplating an emergency interest-rate cut, analysts said.
The Federal Reserve is scheduled to meet on March 18.
But last week, stocks sank below levels seen on January 22, when the Fed instituted an emergency rate cut to ease credit market strains and revive the economy.
Just minutes before the release of Friday's jobs report, the Federal Reserve announced measures to address heightened liquidity pressures in term funding markets, a move the Fed's staff said was a reaction to recognition that market deterioration had accelerated recently.
"Stocks and bonds are both begging the Fed to cut at least 50 basis points, and perhaps as early as next week. Investor risk aversion is spreading and the Fed can see this in the price action of all asset classes," said Tom Sowanick, chief investment officer of Clearbrook Financial in Princeton, New Jersey.
EARNINGS AND OIL OVER $106
This week's earnings schedule is short, but some quarterly results are expected from retailers, including American Eagle Outfitters (AEO.N: Quote, Profile, Research). For a full earnings diary, see <RESF/US>
Many analysts have said earnings estimates are overly optimistic and need to come down, further adding to worries for stock investors, who continue to see stocks as a bargain.
As the result of an eroding earnings outlook, stocks are slightly more pricey now than they were at their previous lows on January 22, with a 12-month forward price-to-earnings ratio at 13.03 now versus 12.93 then.
"It's likely that first-quarter earnings are going to be troubling for a large number of companies," said Sasha Kostadinov, portfolio manager and research analyst at Shaker Investments in Cleveland, Ohio. "The market has some valuation support here, but the near-term fundamentals are a bit sketchy."
Another source of concern for investors is oil, which has repeatedly hit record highs.
Yet another worry is the dollar, which is testing record lows against the euro and multiyear lows against the yen.
On Friday, U.S. oil for April delivery CLJ8 fell 32 cents to settle at $105.15 a barrel, but only after climbing to $106.54 -- the highest level since the New York Mercantile Exchange launched crude oil futures in 1983.
While higher oil prices have helped stocks by lifting the energy sector, they remain an overall negative because they put an extra burden on consumers and businesses.
CPI AND CONSUMER SENTIMENT
On the economic agenda, the international trade deficit for January is due on Tuesday, followed by weekly jobless claims and February retail sales data, as well as February import and export prices, all due on Thursday.
Generally weak February sales from major department store chains, including last week's report from J.C. Penney Co Inc (JCP.N: Quote, Profile, Research), added to concerns that consumers have cut spending.
The Consumer Price Index for February, expected on Friday, is forecast up 0.3 percent for the overall figure and up 0.2 percent for core CPI, excluding volatile food and energy prices, according to economists polled by Reuters. For a full economic diary, see <ECI/US>
"CPI is going to be an important number," said Paul Mendelsohn, chief investment strategist at Windham Financial Services in Charlotte, Vermont.
The impact of rising gasoline and food prices on consumers' inclinations to spend money also will be assessed on Friday, with the preliminary reading for March of the Reuters/University of Michigan Surveys of Consumer Sentiment.
In Mendelsohn's opinion, the lighter-than-usual economic agenda could keep the stock market stuck at current levels.
"We're at very critical levels here. This is an area where if we're going to mount a rally, we've got to do it. But I'm not sure we're going to do it."
quote:Back in November, I wrote a brief article describing how I expected the financial meltdown underway to continue, and how I expected it to impact the real economy. Below I'm reprinting the 10 predictions I made and I've put in italics those which have already occurred.
1) Housing prices and sales will continue to decline. Expect 3 years before the bottom, as a very optimistic best case scenario.
2) Commerical real-estate will suffer a steep decline as well.
3) Consumer demand will drop. Unemployment will rise.
4) The US will go into a recession at best, a depression at worst. Expect first stagflation (high inflation and high unemployment), both because of the increased price of imports and deliberate pump priming by the Fed, then deflation, as asset prices collapse so hard they take everything else with them. The other likely scenario is stagflation followed by hyperinflation. Formal inflation numbers put out will become not just a joke amongst market-watchers, but amongst the actual population. Same thing with unemployment numbers.
5) The Asian economies are not going to "decouple", they are going to have their own financial crises and recessions. Yes, this includes China.
6) China's stock market will collapse some time next year. China will go into a recession. There will be huge amounts of violence and the Chinese government will redirect anger towards the US and Japan.
7) Multiple banks will probably go insolvent. They are simply holding too much crap paper. There will be an extreme tightening of consumer debt of all kinds, including consumer loans, credit cards and mortgages (this is already beginning, but you ain't seen nothing yet). Even people with good credit will start having difficulty getting loans.
8) Protectionism is going to get stronger. Even if Clinton, a free trader, is put in power, by the time the 2010 Congressional elections are over no "free trade" bill will be able to pass Congress and in fact actual tariffs are likely to be put in place.
9) I wouldn't be surprised, at some point, to see capital controls put in place to stop money-flight from the US.
10) When the full extent of how bad things are hits Joe Public, expect a move for reregulation of Wall Street and to reinstitute something similiar to Glass-Steagall.
Bonus Predictions:
11) The government will have to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because they are insolvent. Minimum 500 billion dollars. Possibly much more.
12) Large waves of government layoffs at the municipal and state levels as the inability to raise money cheaply and the reduced property taxes cascade through the system. (Yes, this is already starting to happen, so it's kind of a safe prediction. But it's going to get magnitudes worse. Many many municipalities are going to go bankrupt, and many states will be unable to maintain any but the barest of services.)
13) The price of oil will actually drop as there is an actual demand reduction for oil. Don't expect this to necessarily be reflected in pump prices, which are constrained by refinery capacity.
14) The federal government will become the largest holder of mortgages, and in effect, owner of houses, in the country. By far. The Fed, which has been accepting sub-prime paper already, is going to wind up stuck with a lot of it, because some of the banks using it as "collateral" are not going to survive absent huge government bailouts.
15) A serious collapse of the US stock market, probably by September at the latest. Maybe within a couple months.
'loose lending standards', plus de mogelijkheid om op basis van alleen je mooie blauwe ogen een hypotheek te krijgen ('als u zegt dat u $80.000 per jaar verdient, en daar voor tekent, nah, dan krijgt u daar een hypotheek voor. Iets hoger rentepercentage, maar duh, daar kun je voor compenseren..'. )quote:Op maandag 10 maart 2008 00:09 schreef De_Ananas het volgende:
Dat is echt raar![]()
Is er een economische verklaring voor? (lijkt me niet)
Na de dot com bubbel en de aanslagen op het WTC in NYC hebben de centrale banken de rentepercentages verlaagt om de economie te stimuleren en de liquiditeit te verhogen. Daardoor was er een hoop geld op de markt en zochten investeerders steeds hogere rendementen door hogere risico's te nemen. Dit sloeg uiteindelijk door naar de leners die steeds risicovollere leningen begonnen af te sluiten. In 2005 was daarmee het hoogtepunt bereikt en sloot met zogenaamde ninja hypotheken af. Dit waren hypotheken voor mensen die al heel veel schuld hadden of geen vast inkomen hadden. Doordat er steeds meer kopers op de markt kwamen en doordat de markt al tijden stijgende was werd er ook een toenemende mate gespeculeerd. Uiteindelijk is het dus de simpele supply en demand curve.quote:Op maandag 10 maart 2008 00:09 schreef De_Ananas het volgende:
Dat is echt raar![]()
Is er een economische verklaring voor? (lijkt me niet)
En hij had dat niet al voorzien? Geef die man een snelkoppeling naar calc.exequote:Op zaterdag 8 maart 2008 14:54 schreef pberends het volgende:
Wouter Bos is het volgende huis dat omvalt:
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http://www.rtl.nl/(/finan(...)st_schatkist_mln.xml
en?quote:Op maandag 10 maart 2008 00:10 schreef Stereotomy het volgende:
Tering, al mijn eBayaankopen vorige week afgerekend [afbeelding]
Zelfs Zalm ging in 1999/2000 de fout in.quote:Op maandag 10 maart 2008 07:32 schreef freud het volgende:
Denk niet dat hij daar dan ook aan heeft gedacht. PvdA Politici en rekenen.
Heavy... Hele stuk gehoord en gezien. Freaky dat ze zo de ruimte krijgen zeg...quote:Op zondag 9 maart 2008 11:01 schreef Basp1 het volgende:
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Staat ook nog een link van iemand naar een presentatie, waarbij het verhaal bijna op een thriller lijkt. http://www.deepcapturethemovie.com/
Het engste aan die presentatie volgens mij was dat men door de FTD de supply cuve over de x as kan verplaatsen waardoor het figuur van supply en demand helemaal niet meer in verhouding blijft.quote:Op maandag 10 maart 2008 10:15 schreef freud het volgende:
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Heavy... Hele stuk gehoord en gezien. Freaky dat ze zo de ruimte krijgen zeg...
Precies! Wat ik dan weer vreemd vond, is waarom men dan niet een goed lopend bedrijf zo enorm belaagd en dus klaar maakt voor hostile takeover. Je devalueert een bedrijf van $50 naar $1 door 200% meer aandelen te verhandelen (dumpen) dan dat er zijn. Je doet dan een mega bod van $5 per aandeel, en koopt dan ook alle FTD's op. Je betaalt dan teruggerekend $15 per aandeel, en schrijft de FTD's af als loss. Feitelijk heb je dan een bedrijf overgenomen voor $35 onder de marktwaarde.quote:Op maandag 10 maart 2008 10:50 schreef Basp1 het volgende:
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Het engste aan die presentatie volgens mij was dat men door de FTD de supply cuve over de x as kan verplaatsen waardoor het figuur van supply en demand helemaal niet meer in verhouding blijft.
Countrywide onderwerp van FBI-onderzoekquote:Getting the FBI to do your due diligence doesn't seem like a particularly great business strategy.
Tja.. wat valt er nog voor zinnigs toe te voegen op 't moment.quote:Op maandag 10 maart 2008 19:08 schreef ItaloDancer het volgende:
Hallo, waar zijn jullie?Wat een dag weer.
Dat olie zo erg stijgt terwijl er een recessie aanstaande is, is uiterst vreemd. Dat geeft wel aan hoe hoog de nood op dit moment is. Normaliter zakt de olieprijs als een baksteen bij een recessie.quote:Op maandag 10 maart 2008 19:13 schreef ItaloDancer het volgende:
Ik heb het nog niet gezegd of we zijn erover (over die 108 $ dus).
Tenzij de dollar harder klapt dan de recessie het bij kan houden... dan stijgen de olieprijzen relatief.quote:Op maandag 10 maart 2008 19:23 schreef pberends het volgende:
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Dat olie zo erg stijgt terwijl er een recessie aanstaande is, is uiterst vreemd. Dat geeft wel aan hoe hoog de nood op dit moment is. Normaliter zakt de olieprijs als een baksteen bij een recessie.
Olie is een bubble.quote:Op maandag 10 maart 2008 19:23 schreef pberends het volgende:
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Dat olie zo erg stijgt terwijl er een recessie aanstaande is, is uiterst vreemd. Dat geeft wel aan hoe hoog de nood op dit moment is. Normaliter zakt de olieprijs als een baksteen bij een recessie.
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