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is this one better ?
marriot clik on the pic to enlarge
marriot clik on the pic to enlarge
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
I disagree with you on all points and the case was solved in June 2005 and its been a 32 month cover up. Beth does not have the answers or closure she needs nor does the rest of her Family. The Amy Bradley case doesnt have anything to do with this case whatsoever and nothing is similar to what happened to Amy as Natalee. If this ever did to go trial and it was honest the truth would come out and those responsible would be cooked. That is the last thing the Aruban Govt ever wants is the truth to come out. So everyone involved is held hostage because a few want to lie,deceit,cover up and continue to launch a mis-information campaign against a murdered girl and her Family. All to protect a few criminals and there precious tourism.quote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 01:08 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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1) if its true, natalee is dropped into the sea/ocean, the never find her, at least not after 3 years, there's nothing left, from the body
2)Beth, stated in de vries tapes, she has closure know, and the answers she wanted.
3)Joran doesn't face a trial, the evidence is not strong enough to arrest hem again and stand trial.
4) the people of aruba will go back to normal, no matter of this case gets solved or not.
5) if you want your normal life back, you can get starting right away,natalee wasn't your sister or so
6)i think this case will never get solved.
7)Amy Bradley went missing on aruba in 1998, nobody seems to care about here.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
waar staat die telefoon cel dan ?
click op de foto voor een vergroting
click op de foto voor een vergroting
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Nice pictures Johan..The Marriott comes up quite a few times early in this case and I think it plays a role. However my opinion is they were never at the beach when she was alive,if anything it was at a suite,a party or at the VDS home. The Marriott may have come into play after something bad happened.MO
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
i have more pics and will add them tomorrow ,it's a bit late her now
byebye for now
byebye for now
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
June 1, 2005
Page 78/29
According to Jacobs, the chollers take tourists to the crack houses and get them high on the drug. The victims of this scheme get all "cracked up" and then freely spend their money to buy more of the drug for themselves and other around them. Jacobs say that when the tourists' cash runs out, it's common for the crackheads to either convince them to use their debit or ATM card to get money for more drugs, or they steal the card when the individuals are incapacitated, threatening the touists in order to get them to surrend their secret code. And when all the money is gone and the account is dry, the tourist are let out on the side of the road or often returned to Carlos 'n Charlie's.
Page 89
As I hand the papers back to Jacobs, he takes the opportunity to tell the group around the table that he isn't happy about all the running through the drug houses we have been doing.
"But that's where the leads are telling us she is," one of the men says. "You yourself told me this morning that's where she is, but you guys aren't searching for her," I add.
You should not disturb our choller houses and our whore houses," he says. His comment is so incredulous that no one can respond.
Page 78 - The statement is printed out and I sign it. But I am not allowed a copy of it.
Jug comes back to the little office as I unwind my legs from my arms to get up from the chair, preparing to leave. Jacobs makes a febble attempt to comfort us by saying. "You know ... she'll show up. You should just go to Carlos 'n Charlie's and a crack addict will bring her back when she runs out of money."
Shocked, I reply. "Wait a minute. The two young men who were last seen with her told us they left her at the hotel. Remember? I just gave you all that information. ... Besides, I already told you she doesn't have a debit card with her, and I showed you all her cash. It was in her bag. Whoever has her isn't keeping her for the money."
Beth Holloway Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 21, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men. They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.
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Dave Holloway - ARUBA: Corruption in Paradise - June 1, 2005
Page 9
In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.
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Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/
TWITTY: Well, Rita, like I said, we‘ve been worried as early as June 1 when we saw torn statements at a police station. We‘ve had falsified documents. I mean, we‘ve seen key elements omitted from uniformed police officers‘ statements. We‘ve had a D.E.A. whose statement was never taken.
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LOVING NATALEE
June 1, 2005
Page 78/29
According to Jacobs, the chollers take tourists to the crack houses and get them high on the drug. The victims of this scheme get all "cracked up" and then freely spend their money to buy more of the drug for themselves and other around them. Jacobs say that when the tourists' cash runs out, it's common for the crackheads to either convince them to use their debit or ATM card to get money for more drugs, or they steal the card when the individuals are incapacitated, threatening the touists in order to get them to surrend their secret code. And when all the money is gone and the account is dry, the tourist are let out on the side of the road or often returned to Carlos 'n Charlie's.
Page 89
As I hand the papers back to Jacobs, he takes the opportunity to tell the group around the table that he isn't happy about all the running through the drug houses we have been doing.
"But that's where the leads are telling us she is," one of the men says. "You yourself told me this morning that's where she is, but you guys aren't searching for her," I add.
You should not disturb our choller houses and our whore houses," he says. His comment is so incredulous that no one can respond.
Page 78 - The statement is printed out and I sign it. But I am not allowed a copy of it.
Jug comes back to the little office as I unwind my legs from my arms to get up from the chair, preparing to leave. Jacobs makes a febble attempt to comfort us by saying. "You know ... she'll show up. You should just go to Carlos 'n Charlie's and a crack addict will bring her back when she runs out of money."
Shocked, I reply. "Wait a minute. The two young men who were last seen with her told us they left her at the hotel. Remember? I just gave you all that information. ... Besides, I already told you she doesn't have a debit card with her, and I showed you all her cash. It was in her bag. Whoever has her isn't keeping her for the money."
Beth Holloway Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 21, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men. They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.
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Dave Holloway - ARUBA: Corruption in Paradise - June 1, 2005
Page 9
In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.
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Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/
TWITTY: Well, Rita, like I said, we‘ve been worried as early as June 1 when we saw torn statements at a police station. We‘ve had falsified documents. I mean, we‘ve seen key elements omitted from uniformed police officers‘ statements. We‘ve had a D.E.A. whose statement was never taken.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Anyone who has followed this since the beginning knows these two men were framed to distract and lead everyone away from the real killers. On june 1st everyone knew JK2 never dropped Natalee at the hotel but they still arrested two innocent men while the real Perps were allowed to destroy evidence and cover up for 8 more days. They were arrested because of Dompigs crack head brother in law Buuti Naar and Deepaks statement that a security guard was seen approaching Natalee after they dropped her off.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159285,00.html
Mom: Three Young Detainees 'Know What Happened' to Missing Teen
Sunday, June 12, 2005
Defense lawyers for the former security guards said there wasn't enough evidence to continue holding them.
"This is turning into a game, an illogical investigation," said Noraina Pietersz, the attorney representing Antonius "Mickey" John, 30. John and Abraham Jones, 28, had been detained a week as of Sunday, and have denied any connection to Holloway. "The prosecution is pretending it has information that we don't have."
June 14th Interview with Micky John and his ATTY
Micky says he never got a reason why he was arrested until today. Confirms that they were trying to set someone up and he and his colleague were the unfortunate ones.
http://tinyurl.com/3xpjsu
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159285,00.html
Mom: Three Young Detainees 'Know What Happened' to Missing Teen
Sunday, June 12, 2005
Defense lawyers for the former security guards said there wasn't enough evidence to continue holding them.
"This is turning into a game, an illogical investigation," said Noraina Pietersz, the attorney representing Antonius "Mickey" John, 30. John and Abraham Jones, 28, had been detained a week as of Sunday, and have denied any connection to Holloway. "The prosecution is pretending it has information that we don't have."
June 14th Interview with Micky John and his ATTY
Micky says he never got a reason why he was arrested until today. Confirms that they were trying to set someone up and he and his colleague were the unfortunate ones.
http://tinyurl.com/3xpjsu
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
Page 183
I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.
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P111 Jorans Book
Tuesday May 31st 2005
Joran rides bus to school, takes exam, visits with principal Werner and sleeps in sick bay.
Paul calls school at 10:30am. Jan v/d Straten wants Joran to give a voluntary witness statement, since the family was creating quite some noise.
Paul meets with principal, then he and Joran head to Bubali Station.
Joran calls Deepak who says, "stick to our story, the police has also phoned Satish and me and asked us to come."
P112
Paul asks to sit in on statement, shocking Joran. V/d Straten reluctantly allows it because Joran is underage.
Joran, Paul, Jacobs and v/d Straten sit in on statement.
Joran calls Deepak during the questioning to ask about Natalee's clothing. Deepak remembers.
P113
Joran tells HI story, it takes 20 minutes. Jacobs types, prints statement. Joran reads it and makes minor corrections. Paul "wanted that everything matched with what i told."
P114
Joran visits neighbor Freddy, talks to sister while waiting for him to get home from school. Joran tells Freddy that he left the girl on the beach and that he and the Kalpoes lied to the police. Freddy "understands a little" and tells Joran that he can trust him.
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Paulus statement (June 23) regarding that Tuesday:
We then departed for the police station in Bubali where we
arrived at approximately 11.00 hours. Jacobs and Kelly took down Joran's statement.
Joran was speaking in Papiamentu and that was translated by the officers into Dutch. I was there when Joran made his statement.
We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead of observations.
At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement and we went to lunch in Mc Donalds or Wendy's
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=459.0
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Phil McGraw - Disclosure Log
Name: Joran van der Sloot
Date: 31 May 2005 111:20
Pages: 5
Writer/initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Shaniro Kelly
Description: statement as a witness
++++++++
Why did Paulus not mention in his declaration that Jan van der Straaten was present during Joran's May 31, 2005 interrogation?
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When you consider the questions presented to Deepak and Satish in their May 31, 2005 interrogation ... questions regarding the Fisherman's Hut ... it appears that Joran did not declare the Holiday Inn account in his missing May 31, 2005 witness statement.
In other words ... Joran's May 31, 2005 missing witness statement did not match the May 31, 2005 witness statements given by Deepak and Satish.
Tamikosmom
++++++++++
Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005
At approximately 12.30 (May 31, 2005) my dad and me had arrived at Bubali police station. I was interviewed as a witness. I cannot remember that in my statement I had said that I had been at Fisherman's Huts with Natalee. I might be possible that I stated that.
Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005
On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I will answer you no.
Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005
On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.
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Corruption in Paradise
Page 183
I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.
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P111 Jorans Book
Tuesday May 31st 2005
Joran rides bus to school, takes exam, visits with principal Werner and sleeps in sick bay.
Paul calls school at 10:30am. Jan v/d Straten wants Joran to give a voluntary witness statement, since the family was creating quite some noise.
Paul meets with principal, then he and Joran head to Bubali Station.
Joran calls Deepak who says, "stick to our story, the police has also phoned Satish and me and asked us to come."
P112
Paul asks to sit in on statement, shocking Joran. V/d Straten reluctantly allows it because Joran is underage.
Joran, Paul, Jacobs and v/d Straten sit in on statement.
Joran calls Deepak during the questioning to ask about Natalee's clothing. Deepak remembers.
P113
Joran tells HI story, it takes 20 minutes. Jacobs types, prints statement. Joran reads it and makes minor corrections. Paul "wanted that everything matched with what i told."
P114
Joran visits neighbor Freddy, talks to sister while waiting for him to get home from school. Joran tells Freddy that he left the girl on the beach and that he and the Kalpoes lied to the police. Freddy "understands a little" and tells Joran that he can trust him.
-------------------------------------------------------
Paulus statement (June 23) regarding that Tuesday:
We then departed for the police station in Bubali where we
arrived at approximately 11.00 hours. Jacobs and Kelly took down Joran's statement.
Joran was speaking in Papiamentu and that was translated by the officers into Dutch. I was there when Joran made his statement.
We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead of observations.
At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement and we went to lunch in Mc Donalds or Wendy's
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=459.0
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Phil McGraw - Disclosure Log
Name: Joran van der Sloot
Date: 31 May 2005 111:20
Pages: 5
Writer/initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Shaniro Kelly
Description: statement as a witness
++++++++
Why did Paulus not mention in his declaration that Jan van der Straaten was present during Joran's May 31, 2005 interrogation?
======================================
When you consider the questions presented to Deepak and Satish in their May 31, 2005 interrogation ... questions regarding the Fisherman's Hut ... it appears that Joran did not declare the Holiday Inn account in his missing May 31, 2005 witness statement.
In other words ... Joran's May 31, 2005 missing witness statement did not match the May 31, 2005 witness statements given by Deepak and Satish.
Tamikosmom
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Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005
At approximately 12.30 (May 31, 2005) my dad and me had arrived at Bubali police station. I was interviewed as a witness. I cannot remember that in my statement I had said that I had been at Fisherman's Huts with Natalee. I might be possible that I stated that.
Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005
On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I will answer you no.
Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005
On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
BIG STORY 2-20-08
Geraldo Rivera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHqVRa_acxA
On the record 2-20-08
JQK Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Twi7-8OqS4
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Chris Hansen reports on the Natalie Holloway investigation
'Dateline' Friday premieres with an exclusive behind-the-scenes look inside the search for Natalee Holloway's body this Friday, Feb. 22 at 10pm ET
NEW YORK - - February 20, 2008 – As new information is heating up the Natalee Holloway case, "Dateline" Friday premieres with an exclusive behind-the-scenes look deep inside the investigation and continuing search for her body. The hour-long broadcast, reported on by Chris Hansen, includes an exclusive interview with a friend who was with Natalee the night she disappeared who is speaking out for the first time, both of Natalee's parents and the leader of the search party. The report will air at 10 p.m. ET.
David Corvo is the executive producer of "Dateline NBC."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23261368/
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Geraldo Rivera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHqVRa_acxA
On the record 2-20-08
JQK Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Twi7-8OqS4
=========================================
Chris Hansen reports on the Natalie Holloway investigation
'Dateline' Friday premieres with an exclusive behind-the-scenes look inside the search for Natalee Holloway's body this Friday, Feb. 22 at 10pm ET
NEW YORK - - February 20, 2008 – As new information is heating up the Natalee Holloway case, "Dateline" Friday premieres with an exclusive behind-the-scenes look deep inside the investigation and continuing search for her body. The hour-long broadcast, reported on by Chris Hansen, includes an exclusive interview with a friend who was with Natalee the night she disappeared who is speaking out for the first time, both of Natalee's parents and the leader of the search party. The report will air at 10 p.m. ET.
David Corvo is the executive producer of "Dateline NBC."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23261368/
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door observer777 op 21-02-2008 09:25:37 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
dit is wel een redelijk kaartje
dit is wel een redelijk kaartje
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
ik lees , ik lees en lees. en ik blijf maar stteds meer met vragen zitten.
1) wie weet wat het getij was op 29/30 may 2005, en stromingskaarten
alhoewel ik niet geloof dat natalee die nacht in zee is gedumpt
2) is er ergens op internet een map of aruba with street names all of them
ik wil wel eens weten wat de rij afstanden zijn, er wordt geschreven 1:40 bij joran's huis, volgens mij is het veel korter van cnc naar joran's huis, rijafstand joran's huis deepak huis.
ik ga engels typen ook nog
we helpen observer 777 ???
3) is het zeker dat deepak op zijn pc zat op 2:30 , en wat zag die RAMOS dan ??, hebben ze ooit de pc van deepak/satisch onderzocht ??
4) observer 777 do you have the statement from joran 5/31/2005 ?? because you write hollyday inn story is there missing ??
5) where are alle telephone records en places ?? kan iemand mij een lijstje geven wat er zoal gebelt is , waar is natuurlijk de vraag, zonder peilingen.
nu do ik het weer , wordt gek van dat engels
6) is anita's auto ooit onderzocht op dna sporen natalee ???
en omdat ik het niet kan laten, wat is er mis met deze puzzel/ what is wrong with this story observe ??
a) 1:12 am 30 may 2005 , car with people leave CnC
b) 1:30 joran and natelee walk somewhere on the beach , the brothers are sitting in car waiting, joran'call's brothers to have also "fun"with natalee, she do not want to , and goes into the water. or something like that, something goes wrong and natalee don't move anymore, the brothes also look over her and say yeah joran you killed her, joran no you did.
c) 2:00 the boys take natalee in car , one of them looks around if cost is clear
d) 2:15 joran's house the put natalee there, and joran take care of things , i will call you deepak if everything is well.
e) 2:30 the brothers are home and wait neuvers to hear from joran
simple is it not, MY NAME IS J.j.B and I SOLVED it
1) wie weet wat het getij was op 29/30 may 2005, en stromingskaarten
alhoewel ik niet geloof dat natalee die nacht in zee is gedumpt
2) is er ergens op internet een map of aruba with street names all of them
ik wil wel eens weten wat de rij afstanden zijn, er wordt geschreven 1:40 bij joran's huis, volgens mij is het veel korter van cnc naar joran's huis, rijafstand joran's huis deepak huis.
ik ga engels typen ook nog
we helpen observer 777 ???3) is het zeker dat deepak op zijn pc zat op 2:30 , en wat zag die RAMOS dan ??, hebben ze ooit de pc van deepak/satisch onderzocht ??
4) observer 777 do you have the statement from joran 5/31/2005 ?? because you write hollyday inn story is there missing ??
5) where are alle telephone records en places ?? kan iemand mij een lijstje geven wat er zoal gebelt is , waar is natuurlijk de vraag, zonder peilingen.
nu do ik het weer , wordt gek van dat engels
6) is anita's auto ooit onderzocht op dna sporen natalee ???
en omdat ik het niet kan laten, wat is er mis met deze puzzel/ what is wrong with this story observe ??
a) 1:12 am 30 may 2005 , car with people leave CnC
b) 1:30 joran and natelee walk somewhere on the beach , the brothers are sitting in car waiting, joran'call's brothers to have also "fun"with natalee, she do not want to , and goes into the water. or something like that, something goes wrong and natalee don't move anymore, the brothes also look over her and say yeah joran you killed her, joran no you did.
c) 2:00 the boys take natalee in car , one of them looks around if cost is clear
d) 2:15 joran's house the put natalee there, and joran take care of things , i will call you deepak if everything is well.
e) 2:30 the brothers are home and wait neuvers to hear from joran
simple is it not, MY NAME IS J.j.B and I SOLVED it
een vraag vergeten , bij msn data van deepak naar joran en terug
ben je daar ?
anyways fijn te horen dat je .... bent ik spreek je morgen ik ga slapen
take care
hey swa
topa pimp hheehehe
the engels versie zegt anyways fijn te horen dat je thuis(home) bent, echter ik kan het niet goed lezen thuis is het zeker niet zijn 4 letters. IK DACHT zelf te lezen OUDE ???
ben je daar ?
anyways fijn te horen dat je .... bent ik spreek je morgen ik ga slapen
take care
hey swa
topa pimp hheehehe
the engels versie zegt anyways fijn te horen dat je thuis(home) bent, echter ik kan het niet goed lezen thuis is het zeker niet zijn 4 letters. IK DACHT zelf te lezen OUDE ???
stroming bij aruba
Hoe stroomt het water rond Aruba en waar kan Natalee heen gedreven zijn?
De Arubaanse meteoroloog Marck Oduber: „
Dichtbij de Arubaanse kust, zeg tot een paar honderd meter van het strand, staat over het algemeen een landwaartse stroming. In dat geval zal het lichaam terug naar de kust spoelen.
Als je wat verder de zee ingaat, kom je in de Caribische stroming terecht. Die leidt regelrecht naar Panama en Colombia. In dat geval drijft een lichaam de zee op. De kans lijkt me dan bijzonder klein dat het nog wordt teruggevonden. De zee is groot.’’
Wat gebeurt er met een lichaam in zee?
Mirjam van Veldhoven van het Nederlands Forensisch Instituut (NFI): „Dat hangt ervan af of ze wel of niet was ingepakt, hoe de stroming stond, hoe warm het water was en of er veel krabben of kreeften zijn. In warm water bijvoorbeeld ontbindt een lichaam sneller dan in koud water.
En als de populatie vissen en krabben klein is, duurt het weer langer. Er is dus weinig zinnigs te zeggen over deze specifieke zaak. Maar áls er ooit botten worden gevonden van Natalee Holloway, dan is het Nederlands Forensisch Instituut zeker in staat om via dna-onderzoek te achterhalen dat de botten inderdaad van haar afkomstig zijn.’’
Kan een lichaam in de oceaan opgegeten worden door haaien?
Michaël Laterveer, marien bioloog bij Diergaarde Blijdorp: ,,Er zwemmen zeker vijftien soorten haaien in die oceaan, waaronder de tijgerhaai. Daarvan is wel bekend dat die wat betreft voedsel pakt wat-ie pakken kan; er is ook wel scheepsafval in de maag van zo’n haai gevonden. Dus het is niet uit te sluiten dat hij een menselijk lijk opeet.
Zelf vind ik het meer aannemelijk dat het lichaam van Natalee door de aflandige stroming van de kust is afgedreven. En in die wateren zijn veel koraalriffen, waar het aan kan blijven haken. Daar leven weer krabben en veel andere dieren die het kunnen aanvreten.”
Hoe stroomt het water rond Aruba en waar kan Natalee heen gedreven zijn?
De Arubaanse meteoroloog Marck Oduber: „
Dichtbij de Arubaanse kust, zeg tot een paar honderd meter van het strand, staat over het algemeen een landwaartse stroming. In dat geval zal het lichaam terug naar de kust spoelen.
Als je wat verder de zee ingaat, kom je in de Caribische stroming terecht. Die leidt regelrecht naar Panama en Colombia. In dat geval drijft een lichaam de zee op. De kans lijkt me dan bijzonder klein dat het nog wordt teruggevonden. De zee is groot.’’
Wat gebeurt er met een lichaam in zee?
Mirjam van Veldhoven van het Nederlands Forensisch Instituut (NFI): „Dat hangt ervan af of ze wel of niet was ingepakt, hoe de stroming stond, hoe warm het water was en of er veel krabben of kreeften zijn. In warm water bijvoorbeeld ontbindt een lichaam sneller dan in koud water.
En als de populatie vissen en krabben klein is, duurt het weer langer. Er is dus weinig zinnigs te zeggen over deze specifieke zaak. Maar áls er ooit botten worden gevonden van Natalee Holloway, dan is het Nederlands Forensisch Instituut zeker in staat om via dna-onderzoek te achterhalen dat de botten inderdaad van haar afkomstig zijn.’’
Kan een lichaam in de oceaan opgegeten worden door haaien?
Michaël Laterveer, marien bioloog bij Diergaarde Blijdorp: ,,Er zwemmen zeker vijftien soorten haaien in die oceaan, waaronder de tijgerhaai. Daarvan is wel bekend dat die wat betreft voedsel pakt wat-ie pakken kan; er is ook wel scheepsafval in de maag van zo’n haai gevonden. Dus het is niet uit te sluiten dat hij een menselijk lijk opeet.
Zelf vind ik het meer aannemelijk dat het lichaam van Natalee door de aflandige stroming van de kust is afgedreven. En in die wateren zijn veel koraalriffen, waar het aan kan blijven haken. Daar leven weer krabben en veel andere dieren die het kunnen aanvreten.”
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
bedankt joran555 , maar vraag 1 was daar nu niet echt voor bedoelt, het was meer was het hoog of laag water op het strand en de stroming heeft niet alleen te maken met het westelijke deel van aruba, meer wat hebben bootjes zonder motor te verdurenen komen ze makkelijk terug. roerend ofzo. maar persoonlijk geloof ik het dumpen in zee niet op 29/30 mei is te riskant dat je gezien wordt of dat het lichaam terug komt,verder geen tijd en meer van dat soort zaken.
en ergens geloof ik joran nog ook, hij heeft haar niet vermoord en niet als kille moordernaar gehandelt. bewusteloze lichaam gewoon mee terug genomen en advies van vader's afgewacht , die zei dood is dood , maar zonder lichaam geen zaak, en misschien heeft die man eerst wel eens uitgezocht op internet hoe zoiets kan gebeuren met alcohol en drugs. maar absult geen huiszoeking, daar kan ze toch niet zijn (FLAPPIE joop van het hek) vertaal deze grap is in engels !!
en ergens geloof ik joran nog ook, hij heeft haar niet vermoord en niet als kille moordernaar gehandelt. bewusteloze lichaam gewoon mee terug genomen en advies van vader's afgewacht
, die zei dood is dood , maar zonder lichaam geen zaak, en misschien heeft die man eerst wel eens uitgezocht op internet hoe zoiets kan gebeuren met alcohol en drugs. maar absult geen huiszoeking, daar kan ze toch niet zijn (FLAPPIE joop van het hek) vertaal deze grap is in engels !!
ja er zijn vele mogelijkheden :
ze is in de auto omgekomen
op het strand
in het huisje van Joran
gedumpt : in zee ,in een riolerings pijp ,in een grot ,of naar het cermatorium gebracht
ze is in de auto omgekomen
op het strand
in het huisje van Joran
gedumpt : in zee ,in een riolerings pijp ,in een grot ,of naar het cermatorium gebracht
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
je moet gewoon simpel en kindelijk blijven denken, maar deze verdwijning heeft zich twee of meerdere dagen afgespeelt. eerste de schok en dan de raad vragen en daarna ouderlijk handelen om geen schade toe te brengen aan carriere. of ze nu dood was of niet op den duur wel, door medisch nalaten, maar hebben ze op aruba wel een goed ziekenhuis of zouden ze daar ook geen raad weten met coma drinken ?? is kleine gemeenschap niet alle medische hulpmiddelen zijn mij aanwezigquote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 14:00 schreef johan555 het volgende:
ja er zijn vele mogelijkheden :
ze is in de auto omgekomen
op het strand
in het huisje van Joran
gedumpt : in zee ,in een riolerings pijp ,in een grot ,of naar het cermatorium gebracht
pfff, 5 post in a row? and only c/p of the internet, can't you write your own comments? instead of c/p everything.quote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 07:31 schreef observer777 het volgende:
BIG STORY 2-20-08
Geraldo Rivera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHqVRa_acxA
On the record 2-20-08
JQK Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Twi7-8OqS4
=========================================
Chris Hansen reports on the Natalie Holloway investigation
'Dateline' Friday premieres with an exclusive behind-the-scenes look inside the search for Natalee Holloway's body this Friday, Feb. 22 at 10pm ET
NEW YORK - - February 20, 2008 – As new information is heating up the Natalee Holloway case, "Dateline" Friday premieres with an exclusive behind-the-scenes look deep inside the investigation and continuing search for her body. The hour-long broadcast, reported on by Chris Hansen, includes an exclusive interview with a friend who was with Natalee the night she disappeared who is speaking out for the first time, both of Natalee's parents and the leader of the search party. The report will air at 10 p.m. ET.
David Corvo is the executive producer of "Dateline NBC."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23261368/
Does anybody know if Joran's classmates/teachers were questioned at all?
If he went to school the day after Natalee's disappearance, they might have noticed some different behaviour and the scratches on his face and his black eye.
If he went to school the day after Natalee's disappearance, they might have noticed some different behaviour and the scratches on his face and his black eye.
Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil.
Heel leuk dat engelse geblaat hier van die amerikaantjes. Maargoed;
Als ze een stoffelijkoverschot vinden in de zee of op het strand in Colombia hebben ze nog niks.
Niks bewijst of joran haar heeft gedumpt of iemand anders... Leuk we hebben een lichaam
Als ze een stoffelijkoverschot vinden in de zee of op het strand in Colombia hebben ze nog niks.
Niks bewijst of joran haar heeft gedumpt of iemand anders... Leuk we hebben een lichaam
eerst nadenken dan posten !
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
De sleutel van de hotelkamer van Natalee is in de vroege ochtend van 31 mei gebruikt. Wie gebruikte die sleutel?
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
nee maar vermissing is dan wel opgelost hequote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 16:19 schreef Angeliquetje het volgende:
Heel leuk dat engelse geblaat hier van die amerikaantjes. Maargoed;
Als ze een stoffelijkoverschot vinden in de zee of op het strand in Colombia hebben ze nog niks.
Niks bewijst of joran haar heeft gedumpt of iemand anders... Leuk we hebben een lichaam
heb ik ergens gelezen , is kamergenot geweest en 31 mei, waarschijnlijk volgende hotelgast, de sleutels zijn niet identiekquote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 17:32 schreef johan555 het volgende:
De sleutel van de hotelkamer van Natalee is in de vroege ochtend van 31 mei gebruikt. Wie gebruikte die sleutel?
Felixa:
PROCES - VERBAAL
I, Giovanni Chevalier HEYLIGER, agent first class at the Korps Police force Aruba and the Flex-Team, explain the following.
On, Monday June 30, 2005, around 15:15, I heard as witness a man who gave his name as:
John Joseph WARDLAW
born in United Kingdom on 16 February 1956, living at Montana xxxxxxxxxx, employed at the (International School). This statement was taken in English and translated by me, HEYLIGER, to Dutch and sounds as follows:
I can tell you with certainty that Joran was in school Monday, May 30, 2005. On that day he had helped with moving some school cabinets and folders, because the school is busy with moving to a new building. This may have been done in his free hours, I am not certain of this. Also I can remember that he had become on sick on two days, and he went towards the medical center, which we have at school. This was on Monday, May 30, 2005 and Tuesday, May 31, 2005 this happened. I cannot say with certainty how he leaves school or how he came. He certainly would have come by bus because his mother was absent. The only students who can come with their own vehicles to school are those who have a driver’s license. How he leaves I cannot say with certainty because I am inside when the students depart. But there is an attendance record that you can examine. If he had asked to leave it would certainly be mentioned.
This was the last week prior to final examinations and the lessons continued ordinarily.
J.J. WARDLAW
Overigens:de man is dus 12 dagen later ondervraagd maar al wel eerder genoemd door Pa:
'From Paulus’ PV. 6/18/2005
The headmaster then barred these people access to the school grounds. If the girl wasn't found, there was a good chance that the boys would be seen as suspects again. I did find it a bit strange that the boys weren't asked to make more detailed statements, and so I concluded for myself that there probably was information that the girl in fact had been seen after...
PAGE OR PAGES MISSING FROM STATEMENT
...spoken. With some friends who visited us we undoubtedly spoke about this because it was on our minds too. Some of our friends are members of “Friends of Aruba” and were closely involved with the search for the girl.'
Page or pages missing from statement is natuurlijk verdacht....
PROCES - VERBAAL
I, Giovanni Chevalier HEYLIGER, agent first class at the Korps Police force Aruba and the Flex-Team, explain the following.
On, Monday June 30, 2005, around 15:15, I heard as witness a man who gave his name as:
John Joseph WARDLAW
born in United Kingdom on 16 February 1956, living at Montana xxxxxxxxxx, employed at the (International School). This statement was taken in English and translated by me, HEYLIGER, to Dutch and sounds as follows:
I can tell you with certainty that Joran was in school Monday, May 30, 2005. On that day he had helped with moving some school cabinets and folders, because the school is busy with moving to a new building. This may have been done in his free hours, I am not certain of this. Also I can remember that he had become on sick on two days, and he went towards the medical center, which we have at school. This was on Monday, May 30, 2005 and Tuesday, May 31, 2005 this happened. I cannot say with certainty how he leaves school or how he came. He certainly would have come by bus because his mother was absent. The only students who can come with their own vehicles to school are those who have a driver’s license. How he leaves I cannot say with certainty because I am inside when the students depart. But there is an attendance record that you can examine. If he had asked to leave it would certainly be mentioned.
This was the last week prior to final examinations and the lessons continued ordinarily.
J.J. WARDLAW
Overigens:de man is dus 12 dagen later ondervraagd maar al wel eerder genoemd door Pa:
'From Paulus’ PV. 6/18/2005
The headmaster then barred these people access to the school grounds. If the girl wasn't found, there was a good chance that the boys would be seen as suspects again. I did find it a bit strange that the boys weren't asked to make more detailed statements, and so I concluded for myself that there probably was information that the girl in fact had been seen after...
PAGE OR PAGES MISSING FROM STATEMENT
...spoken. With some friends who visited us we undoubtedly spoke about this because it was on our minds too. Some of our friends are members of “Friends of Aruba” and were closely involved with the search for the girl.'
Page or pages missing from statement is natuurlijk verdacht....
joran is everyday differentquote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 15:51 schreef Felixa het volgende:
Does anybody know if Joran's classmates/teachers were questioned at all?
If he went to school the day after Natalee's disappearance, they might have noticed some different behaviour and the scratches on his face and his black eye.
, but it is not sure if he did go to school the hole day, some write he was sick and the next day , paul called joran did have a hard night so if joran is not himself
je wordt hopeloos van al de documenten die in deze zaak verdwijnen , latenweditoplossen ,
is papier trouwens vrouwelijk ??
, is papier trouwens vrouwelijk ??
Dank je wel!!quote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 17:49 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Felixa:
*knip*
PAGE OR PAGES MISSING FROM STATEMENT
...spoken. With some friends who visited us we undoubtedly spoke about this because it was on our minds too. Some of our friends are members of “Friends of Aruba” and were closely involved with the search for the girl.'
Page or pages missing from statement is natuurlijk verdacht....
PS Op SM hebben ze een dringende vraag over iets wat jij gisteren heb gepost!
Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil.
why is C& C still Open ?
some people about C&C
Have you ever been to Carlos & Charlie's? I have been to Aruba 4 times and have spent practically every night of my vacation there at some point. The horror, consenting adults having the nerve to be given a shot in the middle of the dance floor. People are not forced to have shots there nor are they forced to walk through the door. They can go there if they want and leave if they do not like the atmosphere. It is a fun place to go, especially for young people. Yes you do encounter drug dealers along the way. You say no and move on. Same as you would anywhere else.
Carlos and Charlies should be SHUT DOWN. That's were it started. Let's see them put men on the dance floor and make them drink shots. No only women to get them drunk. And God knows what happens after that. They should officals should go back there and put the pressure on them .
THEY KEEP FORCING DRINKS ON YOU!
We also are aware of the types of problems that a
place such as Carlos and Charlies seems to breed, and that we have heard Aruba did not want this establishment there to begin with. We do agree with this and feel that maybe now you have justification to get rid of such an establishment.
There are plenty of places to drink and have fun without going to extremes
ze gieten je daar vol http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3aTMeiP8HCo&feature=related
some people about C&C
Have you ever been to Carlos & Charlie's? I have been to Aruba 4 times and have spent practically every night of my vacation there at some point. The horror, consenting adults having the nerve to be given a shot in the middle of the dance floor. People are not forced to have shots there nor are they forced to walk through the door. They can go there if they want and leave if they do not like the atmosphere. It is a fun place to go, especially for young people. Yes you do encounter drug dealers along the way. You say no and move on. Same as you would anywhere else.
Carlos and Charlies should be SHUT DOWN. That's were it started. Let's see them put men on the dance floor and make them drink shots. No only women to get them drunk. And God knows what happens after that. They should officals should go back there and put the pressure on them .
THEY KEEP FORCING DRINKS ON YOU!
We also are aware of the types of problems that a
place such as Carlos and Charlies seems to breed, and that we have heard Aruba did not want this establishment there to begin with. We do agree with this and feel that maybe now you have justification to get rid of such an establishment.
There are plenty of places to drink and have fun without going to extremes
ze gieten je daar vol http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3aTMeiP8HCo&feature=related
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
oproep maar van wie ? 2005
Help find out what happend to Natalee!
If you want to write to the Aruban government:
Govenor General Fredis Refunjol
Plaza Hnery Eman 3
Oranjestad, Aruba
Prime Minister Nelson Oduber
L.G. Smith Boulevard 76 Oranjestad, Aruba
Minister of Justice Rudy Croes
Victor Hugo Stratt 8
Oranjestad, Aruba
Chief of Police R.F. Bernadina
Wilheminastraat 10
Oranjestad, Aruba
Minister of Tourism Edison Brieson
L.G. Smith Boulevard 76
Oranjestad, Aruba
Attorney General Theresa Croes Fernandez-Pedra
Havenstrat 2
Oranjestad, Aruba
If you want to contact the government of The Netherlands:
Queen
Hare Majesteit Koningin Beatrix
Kabinet van de Koningin
76 Paleis Den Haag
Den Haag, Nederland
Justice Department
Minister of Justice Mr. J.P.H. Donner
Schedeldockshaven 100
Oranjestad, Aruba Den Haag, Nederland
tel.001.70.370.79.11
fax: 001.70.370.79.00
You can also contact Carlos & Charlies:
General Manager Alberto Levy:beto@carlosncharliesaruba.com or post a comment on their site. http://www.carlosncharliesaruba.com/info.htm
Show Aruba that we are not going to just sit around and not do anything about this. Help get answers, and maybe even bring Natalee home.
Tell them that we want answers and we want them NOW!
[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door johan555 op 21-02-2008 19:09:38 ]
Help find out what happend to Natalee!
If you want to write to the Aruban government:
Govenor General Fredis Refunjol
Plaza Hnery Eman 3
Oranjestad, Aruba
Prime Minister Nelson Oduber
L.G. Smith Boulevard 76 Oranjestad, Aruba
Minister of Justice Rudy Croes
Victor Hugo Stratt 8
Oranjestad, Aruba
Chief of Police R.F. Bernadina
Wilheminastraat 10
Oranjestad, Aruba
Minister of Tourism Edison Brieson
L.G. Smith Boulevard 76
Oranjestad, Aruba
Attorney General Theresa Croes Fernandez-Pedra
Havenstrat 2
Oranjestad, Aruba
If you want to contact the government of The Netherlands:
Queen
Hare Majesteit Koningin Beatrix
Kabinet van de Koningin
76 Paleis Den Haag
Den Haag, Nederland
Justice Department
Minister of Justice Mr. J.P.H. Donner
Schedeldockshaven 100
Oranjestad, Aruba Den Haag, Nederland
tel.001.70.370.79.11
fax: 001.70.370.79.00
You can also contact Carlos & Charlies:
General Manager Alberto Levy:beto@carlosncharliesaruba.com or post a comment on their site. http://www.carlosncharliesaruba.com/info.htm
Show Aruba that we are not going to just sit around and not do anything about this. Help get answers, and maybe even bring Natalee home.
Tell them that we want answers and we want them NOW!
[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door johan555 op 21-02-2008 19:09:38 ]
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Je had geschreven dat de Kalpoe broers aan het praten waren.quote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 18:50 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Felixa:
Help!
Kan het me herinneren en 'BTW' gebruik ik ook vaak maar kan het bericht niet vinden!
Draadje 733, pagina 43, post 858.
Daarna zijn er een paar mensen geweest die vroegen waar die info vandaan kwam.
Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil.
Felixa:
Ja kan het me weer herinneren, zat naar de show te luisteren van SM en PDF's te lezen over de rechtzaak Kalpoe's vs Dr.Phil..staat nu ook op SM, 'k heb een beetje krom engels gebruikt daar daarom snapte ik mijn eigen bericht niet LOL ik maar zoeken hier op het forum....pfff
Thanks!
Ja kan het me weer herinneren, zat naar de show te luisteren van SM en PDF's te lezen over de rechtzaak Kalpoe's vs Dr.Phil..staat nu ook op SM, 'k heb een beetje krom engels gebruikt daar daarom snapte ik mijn eigen bericht niet LOL ik maar zoeken hier op het forum....pfff
Thanks!
From ARUBA DIRTY POLICE back in Marck of 2006:
http://arubadirtypolice.b(...)ce-identify-new.html
Excerpt:
On June 11, 2006 spokespersons for the Arban Justice Minister and the Aruban Law Enforcement released statements to two media outlets that there was an admission that something bad happened; Natalee was confirmed dead; the location of her body was known; and the suspect who made the admission was leading the family and authorities to the scene. The statements of these spokespersons were retracted.
David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice told FOX News Natalee Holloway, who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, WAS CONFIRMED DEAD dead and that authorities KNEW THE LOCATION OF HER her BODY. However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."
Deputy Police Commissioner, Gerold Dompig, told The Associated Press that one of three young men arrested in the case ADMITTED "SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene. Prosecutors refused to comment on Dompig's statement, and DOMPIG HIMSELF REFUSED TO IDENTIFY which of the three young men who took Holloway to the Northern beach the night she went missing made the statement.
Jossy Mansur:
van susteren: Do you know when he supposedly made that statement to the police? Was it early on in his detention, or even before his detention or later?
Mansur: No, it was when they had let them free. And when he came back, they (INAUDIBLE) him in as a suspect. On the second day of that detention, he broke down completely. He cried, and he admitted to the police, he confessed to the police that, we buried Natalee.
van susteren: Did he say where he'd buried Natalee?
Mansur: He gave them indications. They put him in a police car. They brought him over here to the north of the Marriott Hotel, and he pointed towards some indistinct area by the fishermen's huts. Those are huts that the fishermen use them to guard their equipment, their nets, their knives, whatever they use in fishing.
Spencer Bachus:
He declined to give details. “The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”
Stanley Zaadam:
2 Days after 5/29, the body of Natalee may have already been found and the Police Commissioner looked the other way to do a favor for Paulus van der sloot (ex-Chief of Staff of the Prosecutor General J. Zwinkels) To exculpate the son of Paulus, the Police Commissioner and Fiscal Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen made the false arrest of 2 security guards, Jones and John, called this a "tactical maneuver" and denied them their freedom for 10 days.
Tim Miller:
Something has happened to Natalee. I am not convinced in any way that Natalee could possibly be alive.
I think somebody knew what they was doing. I don't even know if these boys know where she's at.
But you know what? If we don't search, there is absolutely no chance...
ROWLANDS: What do you mean by that?
MILLER: I don't know. Something could of happened higher up with people that got more money and more influence, and stuff making sure she's not found.
But I don't know. I mean, it's heartbreaking.
Jan van der straaten:
"Sure we have shark places, but it has nothing to do with this investigation." "This is a murder case."
Steve Croes:
He comes forward to corroborate a lie and leaves saying he "knows nothing." Then he threatens to sue Beth Twitty.
Rudy Croes:
"She is back in all sorts of programs where she calls upon Americans to avoid Aruba as vacation destination. “I can’t understand her attitude. We did everything possible to find her daughter”, said Croes. He hopes of course that one day the teenager will show up, but he said that badmouthing would definitely not contribute to that. Croes does not consider taking measures against Twitty yet, but does not rule out the possibility to shut her up in the future."
Joran Van der Sloot:
"How they acted towards my family and friends is not the way a normal family acts when their daughter is missing."
http://arubadirtypolice.b(...)ce-identify-new.html
Excerpt:
On June 11, 2006 spokespersons for the Arban Justice Minister and the Aruban Law Enforcement released statements to two media outlets that there was an admission that something bad happened; Natalee was confirmed dead; the location of her body was known; and the suspect who made the admission was leading the family and authorities to the scene. The statements of these spokespersons were retracted.
David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice told FOX News Natalee Holloway, who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, WAS CONFIRMED DEAD dead and that authorities KNEW THE LOCATION OF HER her BODY. However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."
Deputy Police Commissioner, Gerold Dompig, told The Associated Press that one of three young men arrested in the case ADMITTED "SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene. Prosecutors refused to comment on Dompig's statement, and DOMPIG HIMSELF REFUSED TO IDENTIFY which of the three young men who took Holloway to the Northern beach the night she went missing made the statement.
Jossy Mansur:
van susteren: Do you know when he supposedly made that statement to the police? Was it early on in his detention, or even before his detention or later?
Mansur: No, it was when they had let them free. And when he came back, they (INAUDIBLE) him in as a suspect. On the second day of that detention, he broke down completely. He cried, and he admitted to the police, he confessed to the police that, we buried Natalee.
van susteren: Did he say where he'd buried Natalee?
Mansur: He gave them indications. They put him in a police car. They brought him over here to the north of the Marriott Hotel, and he pointed towards some indistinct area by the fishermen's huts. Those are huts that the fishermen use them to guard their equipment, their nets, their knives, whatever they use in fishing.
Spencer Bachus:
He declined to give details. “The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”
Stanley Zaadam:
2 Days after 5/29, the body of Natalee may have already been found and the Police Commissioner looked the other way to do a favor for Paulus van der sloot (ex-Chief of Staff of the Prosecutor General J. Zwinkels) To exculpate the son of Paulus, the Police Commissioner and Fiscal Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen made the false arrest of 2 security guards, Jones and John, called this a "tactical maneuver" and denied them their freedom for 10 days.
Tim Miller:
Something has happened to Natalee. I am not convinced in any way that Natalee could possibly be alive.
I think somebody knew what they was doing. I don't even know if these boys know where she's at.
But you know what? If we don't search, there is absolutely no chance...
ROWLANDS: What do you mean by that?
MILLER: I don't know. Something could of happened higher up with people that got more money and more influence, and stuff making sure she's not found.
But I don't know. I mean, it's heartbreaking.
Jan van der straaten:
"Sure we have shark places, but it has nothing to do with this investigation." "This is a murder case."
Steve Croes:
He comes forward to corroborate a lie and leaves saying he "knows nothing." Then he threatens to sue Beth Twitty.
Rudy Croes:
"She is back in all sorts of programs where she calls upon Americans to avoid Aruba as vacation destination. “I can’t understand her attitude. We did everything possible to find her daughter”, said Croes. He hopes of course that one day the teenager will show up, but he said that badmouthing would definitely not contribute to that. Croes does not consider taking measures against Twitty yet, but does not rule out the possibility to shut her up in the future."
Joran Van der Sloot:
"How they acted towards my family and friends is not the way a normal family acts when their daughter is missing."
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
09-30-2005
de 28-jarige Kristina Pedersen, die beweert, dat Van der Sloot wel sex met de Amerikaanse zou hebben gehad
Joran, still officially under suspicion of rape and murder, went to Holland after he was freed from prison in Aruba on September 2.
The 6ft 5ins honor student quickly enrolled in a business course at a 5,000-student college in Arnhem and, together with his father, Paulus, who was also briefly jailed in the case, [u]moved into a family friend's home in the nearby town of Duiven.[/u]His account of his involvement with Natalee was given to attractive 28-year-old Kristina Pedersen, who got to know him on the Arnhem Business School campus. Over several days, he drank heavily, encouraged Kristina to watch hard core porn and tried to force himself on her. And it quickly became apparent that even now Joran cannot keep his story straight — his account was peppered with the lies that have marked his From Page 34 part in the investigation since Natalee disappeared on May 30.
Kristina said: "One day we shared a jug of beer. Joran looked me in the eye and said, 'Here's to finding Natalee'. "Half an hour later he was trying to kiss me and lure me to a deserted area of a park. Then he suddenly asked me, 'Do you want me to bite you?'"
When asked why he left Aruba, Joran laughed and said: "I was in jail for three months... for a missing girl." He insisted on taking Kristina to the college internet station, where he showed her accounts of the case. "There were pictures of him in handcuffs — and he was obviously enjoying showing them to me. He seemed to think that was pretty cool. It made me nervous." Then, as they drank beer in a pub called De Hangar on September 23, Joran began to give Kristina his version of what happened to Natalee.
"He said that she approached him in Carlos 'N' Charlie's bar and bought a couple of rounds', " Kristina said.
Joran revealed that Natalee lay on the bar and invited him to lick a "jelly shot" — vodka frozen in jelly — from her navel.
"He said Natalee then asked him, 'Do you want to go home with me? and Joran said okay'," Kristina added.
In a dramatic new twist, Joran then claimed that after leaving the bar, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe drove him and Natalee to his home — not to the beach. Kristina said: "They went to his home for a while and then to the Holiday Inn, where she was staying.
"They decided to go for a walk on the beach, and the Kalpoes left. He told me, 'Natalee was totally wasted, and I was drunk. We had sex on the beach'."
Yet in a TV interview recorded just a day later, Joran denied having sex with Natalee and claimed they just "cuddled."
Said Kristina: "He went on, 'Afterwards I asked her if she wanted to go home with me because I had to get up early for school. She said she didn't want to go back there. I told her I had to go, and asked if I could walk her home. She said, 'No — I want to be on my own. I'm staying here.' I left her and went home."
Kristina added: "Joran continued, 'I felt guilty leaving her on the beach. I probably shouldn't have done that, but she wouldn't walk back with me. I had to lie about what happened to the girl because I was the last person to see her. If the lie had been kept up, none of this would have happened'."
de 28-jarige Kristina Pedersen, die beweert, dat Van der Sloot wel sex met de Amerikaanse zou hebben gehad
Joran, still officially under suspicion of rape and murder, went to Holland after he was freed from prison in Aruba on September 2.
The 6ft 5ins honor student quickly enrolled in a business course at a 5,000-student college in Arnhem and, together with his father, Paulus, who was also briefly jailed in the case, [u]moved into a family friend's home in the nearby town of Duiven.[/u]His account of his involvement with Natalee was given to attractive 28-year-old Kristina Pedersen, who got to know him on the Arnhem Business School campus. Over several days, he drank heavily, encouraged Kristina to watch hard core porn and tried to force himself on her. And it quickly became apparent that even now Joran cannot keep his story straight — his account was peppered with the lies that have marked his From Page 34 part in the investigation since Natalee disappeared on May 30.
Kristina said: "One day we shared a jug of beer. Joran looked me in the eye and said, 'Here's to finding Natalee'. "Half an hour later he was trying to kiss me and lure me to a deserted area of a park. Then he suddenly asked me, 'Do you want me to bite you?'"
When asked why he left Aruba, Joran laughed and said: "I was in jail for three months... for a missing girl." He insisted on taking Kristina to the college internet station, where he showed her accounts of the case. "There were pictures of him in handcuffs — and he was obviously enjoying showing them to me. He seemed to think that was pretty cool. It made me nervous." Then, as they drank beer in a pub called De Hangar on September 23, Joran began to give Kristina his version of what happened to Natalee.
"He said that she approached him in Carlos 'N' Charlie's bar and bought a couple of rounds', " Kristina said.
Joran revealed that Natalee lay on the bar and invited him to lick a "jelly shot" — vodka frozen in jelly — from her navel.
"He said Natalee then asked him, 'Do you want to go home with me? and Joran said okay'," Kristina added.
In a dramatic new twist, Joran then claimed that after leaving the bar, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe drove him and Natalee to his home — not to the beach. Kristina said: "They went to his home for a while and then to the Holiday Inn, where she was staying.
"They decided to go for a walk on the beach, and the Kalpoes left. He told me, 'Natalee was totally wasted, and I was drunk. We had sex on the beach'."
Yet in a TV interview recorded just a day later, Joran denied having sex with Natalee and claimed they just "cuddled."
Said Kristina: "He went on, 'Afterwards I asked her if she wanted to go home with me because I had to get up early for school. She said she didn't want to go back there. I told her I had to go, and asked if I could walk her home. She said, 'No — I want to be on my own. I'm staying here.' I left her and went home."
Kristina added: "Joran continued, 'I felt guilty leaving her on the beach. I probably shouldn't have done that, but she wouldn't walk back with me. I had to lie about what happened to the girl because I was the last person to see her. If the lie had been kept up, none of this would have happened'."
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
February 20, 2008
Beth Twitty: Van der Sloot a Liar –Confession Ignored
By: Steve Yuhas
Cable programs, desperate for another missing person or cop killing husband, broke in with news alerts last week as word came from Holland that a tape was being released that purported to show Joran van der Sloot confessing to killing Alabaman Natalee Holloway while she vacationed in Aruba in 2005. So compelling was the tape that Beth Twitty jumped on a plane to travel to Holland to see it.
When she returned to the United States she took to the talk show circuit and began telling the tale of watching pieces of the tape where van der Sloot talks openly, while smoking pot, about how her daughter died in Aruba in 2005.
It could be that the tape is true and Joran is guilty of disposing of a body because nothing in the tape remotely comes close to the cloak and dagger style of death that Twitty has been touting over the years as the way her daughter met her unfortunate fate. Van der Sloot does not mention passing Holloway any drugs nor does he participate in the disposal of her body (he called his body disposal friend for that) – so with all of the scrutiny of the tape why is Joran still free?
Quite simply it is because Twitty trained the world that van der Sloot was a liar and pariah who could not be trusted. So, when parts of the taped ‘confession’ began falling apart we (and investigators) did as we’ve been trained: we did not believe him.
The conundrum for Beth Twitty is now that America has bought into her “Joran drugged then killed Natalee and threw her into the ocean” scenario – when the tape fell apart so too did the confession. For anyone else in the world this tape would be pay dirt, but for Twitty the tape is the beginning of the end for the re-re-re-re-arrest dream for Joran van der Sloot. Even if the re-re-re-re-arrest happens all an attorney need do is play all of the countless appearances where Beth Twitty spins her tale and then tells us all to discount all that comes out of the mouth of van der Sloot.
Twitty, and only Twitty, can be blamed for the situation where a confession is insufficient to convict a person of any crime since he cannot be believed. Twitty pushed a scenario so forcefully that her daughter was drugged and murdered by van der Sloot that anything as simple as an accidental death followed by a terribly callous disposal is too simple to believe. But, no matter how the world media cuts up the tape at most van der Sloot comes across as an uncaring cad who called a friend after Holloway died after having suffered some kind of seizure.
There is no way to verify the story because the person, who was named in the tape, was located and he was not in Aruba at the time of the disappearance. You have to question, though, would someone really remain quiet about disposing of a body that captivated the world for more than two years? It is hard enough to find a designated driver when you are in college – can you imagine a designated body disposer?
It is just an odd story that doesn’t add up. Even so –Twitty would have had hope in punishing those responsible for her daughters death, but the tape doesn’t show van der Sloot admitting anything illegal except the disposal of a body and that, I’m told from an Aruba attorney, is little more than the equivalent of a misdemeanor. Driving drunk in Alabama gets you more time in prison than getting rid of a body so even if Joran is telling the truth about what happened – he didn’t kill her and he didn’t do anything that wrong. Disgusting yes, but hardly illegal.
Over the last few days I have received hundreds of emails asking me if I owe the Twitty’s an apology for the things I said and written about Beth Twitty and her kin-folk over the years. The answer is a very short no. Nothing ever said about Twitty was untrue or not supported by facts. Is van der Sloot the model of what I’d want one of my nephews or brothers to be? Never. But his being a cad does not make him a murderer.
Beth Twitty did not just accuse Joran of disposing of a body – she accused him, quite specifically, of slipping Natalee Holloway drugs while in a club then killing her. There has never been a time when Twitty changed that scenario because her daughter could not have been drinking or doing drugs because she just didn’t “do that.”
Joran’s tape is salacious and it made for good television, but because it is van der Sloot something, anything, has to be verified before any legal action is taken against him and there simply is nothing new in the tape – other than a ‘confession’ under the influence of pot that says nothing happened. Joran’s story, if anything, exonerates him of murder. All he did, if we can believe him now, is call a friend to get rid of a body. A horrible thing, but not murder.
The sad thing here is that Beth Twitty is partly to blame for people being skeptical of the ‘confession’ of van der Sloot. Perhaps had she not been so forceful in desiring to paint a teenager a killer people would believe him today. Twitty said everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie and to discount that two year training program today would be silly unless something in the tape can be verified. As of this writing nothing has.
Beth Twitty: Van der Sloot a Liar –Confession Ignored
By: Steve Yuhas
Cable programs, desperate for another missing person or cop killing husband, broke in with news alerts last week as word came from Holland that a tape was being released that purported to show Joran van der Sloot confessing to killing Alabaman Natalee Holloway while she vacationed in Aruba in 2005. So compelling was the tape that Beth Twitty jumped on a plane to travel to Holland to see it.
When she returned to the United States she took to the talk show circuit and began telling the tale of watching pieces of the tape where van der Sloot talks openly, while smoking pot, about how her daughter died in Aruba in 2005.
It could be that the tape is true and Joran is guilty of disposing of a body because nothing in the tape remotely comes close to the cloak and dagger style of death that Twitty has been touting over the years as the way her daughter met her unfortunate fate. Van der Sloot does not mention passing Holloway any drugs nor does he participate in the disposal of her body (he called his body disposal friend for that) – so with all of the scrutiny of the tape why is Joran still free?
Quite simply it is because Twitty trained the world that van der Sloot was a liar and pariah who could not be trusted. So, when parts of the taped ‘confession’ began falling apart we (and investigators) did as we’ve been trained: we did not believe him.
The conundrum for Beth Twitty is now that America has bought into her “Joran drugged then killed Natalee and threw her into the ocean” scenario – when the tape fell apart so too did the confession. For anyone else in the world this tape would be pay dirt, but for Twitty the tape is the beginning of the end for the re-re-re-re-arrest dream for Joran van der Sloot. Even if the re-re-re-re-arrest happens all an attorney need do is play all of the countless appearances where Beth Twitty spins her tale and then tells us all to discount all that comes out of the mouth of van der Sloot.
Twitty, and only Twitty, can be blamed for the situation where a confession is insufficient to convict a person of any crime since he cannot be believed. Twitty pushed a scenario so forcefully that her daughter was drugged and murdered by van der Sloot that anything as simple as an accidental death followed by a terribly callous disposal is too simple to believe. But, no matter how the world media cuts up the tape at most van der Sloot comes across as an uncaring cad who called a friend after Holloway died after having suffered some kind of seizure.
There is no way to verify the story because the person, who was named in the tape, was located and he was not in Aruba at the time of the disappearance. You have to question, though, would someone really remain quiet about disposing of a body that captivated the world for more than two years? It is hard enough to find a designated driver when you are in college – can you imagine a designated body disposer?
It is just an odd story that doesn’t add up. Even so –Twitty would have had hope in punishing those responsible for her daughters death, but the tape doesn’t show van der Sloot admitting anything illegal except the disposal of a body and that, I’m told from an Aruba attorney, is little more than the equivalent of a misdemeanor. Driving drunk in Alabama gets you more time in prison than getting rid of a body so even if Joran is telling the truth about what happened – he didn’t kill her and he didn’t do anything that wrong. Disgusting yes, but hardly illegal.
Over the last few days I have received hundreds of emails asking me if I owe the Twitty’s an apology for the things I said and written about Beth Twitty and her kin-folk over the years. The answer is a very short no. Nothing ever said about Twitty was untrue or not supported by facts. Is van der Sloot the model of what I’d want one of my nephews or brothers to be? Never. But his being a cad does not make him a murderer.
Beth Twitty did not just accuse Joran of disposing of a body – she accused him, quite specifically, of slipping Natalee Holloway drugs while in a club then killing her. There has never been a time when Twitty changed that scenario because her daughter could not have been drinking or doing drugs because she just didn’t “do that.”
Joran’s tape is salacious and it made for good television, but because it is van der Sloot something, anything, has to be verified before any legal action is taken against him and there simply is nothing new in the tape – other than a ‘confession’ under the influence of pot that says nothing happened. Joran’s story, if anything, exonerates him of murder. All he did, if we can believe him now, is call a friend to get rid of a body. A horrible thing, but not murder.
The sad thing here is that Beth Twitty is partly to blame for people being skeptical of the ‘confession’ of van der Sloot. Perhaps had she not been so forceful in desiring to paint a teenager a killer people would believe him today. Twitty said everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie and to discount that two year training program today would be silly unless something in the tape can be verified. As of this writing nothing has.
Carlos and Charlies in Aruba has changed names to Senor Frogs. They are owned by the same parent company and offer the same type of establishment. They took down the Monkey at C&C and added a Frog is all.
http://www.senorfrogs.com/about/index.htm
http://www.senorfrogs.com/about/index.htm
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
ben op dat forum geweest en hij stelt daar allerlei duistere vragen
vista prod key nummers enzo
ook heeft ie erg veel vragen op grafisch en ict gebied mhij noemt zichzelf graficus
terwijl die C& C website er niet uiiiit ziet
een manager van C&C hoeft dat soort vragen niet te stellen lijkt me ,daar gaat geld genoeg om lijkt me .
erg verdacht vind ik ook dat de foto's van 2005 niet meer op de C&C websites staan !
hij heeft wel een groot aantal foto's online geparkeerd zag ik ,daar ga ik ff kijken
vista prod key nummers enzo
ook heeft ie erg veel vragen op grafisch en ict gebied mhij noemt zichzelf graficus
terwijl die C& C website er niet uiiiit ziet
een manager van C&C hoeft dat soort vragen niet te stellen lijkt me ,daar gaat geld genoeg om lijkt me .
erg verdacht vind ik ook dat de foto's van 2005 niet meer op de C&C websites staan !
hij heeft wel een groot aantal foto's online geparkeerd zag ik ,daar ga ik ff kijken
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
quote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 21:44 schreef johan555 het volgende:
ben op dat forum geweest en hij stelt daar allerlei duistere vragen
vista prod key nummers enzo
ook heeft ie erg veel vragen op grafisch en ict gebied mhij noemt zichzelf graficus
terwijl die C& C website er niet uiiiit ziet
een manager van C&C hoeft dat soort vragen niet te stellen lijkt me ,daar gaat geld genoeg om lijkt me .
erg verdacht vind ik ook dat de foto's van 2005 niet meer op de C&C websites staan !
hij heeft wel een groot aantal foto's online geparkeerd zag ik ,daar ga ik ff kijken
C&C Website was changed and pictures taken down shortly after Natalee dissapeared. Joran's picture was on there wearing the same shirt he had on when Natalee dissapeared. What were you saying about Vista Prod key numbers stuff? I know you were talking about another Vista but it reminded me of this.
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Viewed on Joran's computer May 31st
Back Seat Bangers.com
IP Location: Netherlands Antilles - Curacao -
Owned by Vista Distribution, Aruba
Santa Cruz 62
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2068.20
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door observer777 op 21-02-2008 22:29:17 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
you can see what he( Levi, Alberto ,alberto levy,Rob) asked on that forum here :
his name is paranOid
www.hundredbling.net
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:ZVWvzGc1e4kJ:www.hundredbling.net/member.php%3Fu%3D3294+pinkyaruba&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=nl&client=firefox-a
also :
Help find out what happend to Natalee!
If you want to write to the Aruban government:
Govenor General Fredis Refunjol
Plaza Hnery Eman 3
Oranjestad, Aruba
Prime Minister Nelson Oduber
L.G. Smith Boulevard 76 Oranjestad, Aruba
Minister of Justice Rudy Croes
Victor Hugo Stratt 8
Oranjestad, Aruba
Chief of Police R.F. Bernadina
Wilheminastraat 10
Oranjestad, Aruba
Minister of Tourism Edison Brieson
L.G. Smith Boulevard 76
Oranjestad, Aruba
Attorney General Theresa Croes Fernandez-Pedra
Havenstrat 2
Oranjestad, Aruba
If you want to contact the government of The Netherlands:
Queen
Hare Majesteit Koningin Beatrix
Kabinet van de Koningin
76 Paleis Den Haag
Den Haag, Nederland
Justice Department
Minister of Justice Mr. J.P.H. Donner
Schedeldockshaven 100
Oranjestad, Aruba Den Haag, Nederland
tel.001.70.370.79.11
fax: 001.70.370.79.00
You can also contact Carlos & Charlies:
General Manager Alberto Levy:beto@carlosncharliesaruba.com or post a comment on their site. http://www.carlosncharliesaruba.com/info.htm
his name is paranOid
www.hundredbling.net
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:ZVWvzGc1e4kJ:www.hundredbling.net/member.php%3Fu%3D3294+pinkyaruba&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=nl&client=firefox-a
also :
Help find out what happend to Natalee!
If you want to write to the Aruban government:
Govenor General Fredis Refunjol
Plaza Hnery Eman 3
Oranjestad, Aruba
Prime Minister Nelson Oduber
L.G. Smith Boulevard 76 Oranjestad, Aruba
Minister of Justice Rudy Croes
Victor Hugo Stratt 8
Oranjestad, Aruba
Chief of Police R.F. Bernadina
Wilheminastraat 10
Oranjestad, Aruba
Minister of Tourism Edison Brieson
L.G. Smith Boulevard 76
Oranjestad, Aruba
Attorney General Theresa Croes Fernandez-Pedra
Havenstrat 2
Oranjestad, Aruba
If you want to contact the government of The Netherlands:
Queen
Hare Majesteit Koningin Beatrix
Kabinet van de Koningin
76 Paleis Den Haag
Den Haag, Nederland
Justice Department
Minister of Justice Mr. J.P.H. Donner
Schedeldockshaven 100
Oranjestad, Aruba Den Haag, Nederland
tel.001.70.370.79.11
fax: 001.70.370.79.00
You can also contact Carlos & Charlies:
General Manager Alberto Levy:beto@carlosncharliesaruba.com or post a comment on their site. http://www.carlosncharliesaruba.com/info.htm
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:12 am subject: My Latest Theory
by : dan
First, about Joran Van Der Sloot. He's a creepy kid with bad parents, but he's no murderer, not even by accident as he claims. Don't get me wrong, he's no angel: people have come out to Fox and CNBC about his past. Usual weekend activities: pick up unsuspecting tourist girl- someone cute and naive, find out when her last night on the island is, hook up that night, drug, date rape, leave on the beach (to slink off in shame with little memory of the night's events), repeat next weekend. Ok, so why the lies and confession and story changes? Joran is a glory hog according to my profiler: he thinks of himself as a Tom Cruise in training, and being held for a crime he won't get convicted of is a great way to feel important. So, confessions and story changes when he feels like the limelight is off him. As for what happened on May 30, well...
Joran hooks up with Natalee just as described. He invites her to a 'private party' after hours at C&Cs. Slips her an X (Ecstasy-date rape drug), gets the Kalpoes to pick them up, Satish drops Joran, Natalee, and Deepak off at a private party (rave party-drugs, booze, and date rape drugs). Now where exactly I don't know, but /possibly/ at the home of Lorenzo Van Rijn. ( man that kills dogs in a brutal manner) Well, there are some people at the party Joran isn't comfortable with...local drug dealers, maybe some local cops (oh yes, again verified by eyewitnesses: the LE even up to Jan Van Der Straaten(Police chief) are known to hit the parties after hours. Joran gets nervous and he and Deepak leave Natalie there, thinking she'll turn up again just like all the other girls.
But then somebody deviates from the plan. Maybe Natalie wasn't all the way under and saw who (Van Der Straaten-Police chief, and drug dealers) was there. Maybe she just came to in the middle of the 'party' and was witness to her own assault. Anyway, the guys at the party keep her a while longer, but three things happen that totally screw things up: Natalie manages to make a few phone calls when nobody's looking, she leaves her hairbrush behind, and Van Der Straaten shows up at that party to collect his take. So he knows Natalee was there and with whom and she knows he was there. Next morning Beth Twitty is already in Aruba crying havoc. Paulus our judge-in-training (he actually failed his exam)
wakes up Joran and asks about Natalee. Joran tells him what happened and washes Deepak's car real well to eliminate any trace that Natalee was ever with them that night. Paulus calls up his buddy Van Der Straaten: (Police chief who is Joran’s real grandfather.) Jan, we have a problem..." "Paulus, don't worry; I'll take care of it" Well, the Twittys bring a small army of reporters and volunteers with them, and it makes returning Natalee really, really tough. Jan was hoping he could find Natalie, plant her on the beach, and "Oh look, just as we said. She was hanging out with the beach bums like usually happens." But now even after he finds Natalee, he can't return her without all this mess being exposed... including the past charges of accepting bribes from the local drug dealers to look the other way. Don't believe me? Call up Chuck Geiss at Black & White Birmingham newspaper and ask him how hard he has it trying to corroborate dirt on Van Der Straaten. Well, what can Jan do? He can stall...and he tries. Unfortunately, the Twittys and Holloways are the best parents in the world (and I sincerely mean that), and they are not leaving. Meanwhile, Paulus catches Joran bragging about his latest conquest at school (just ask Joran's buddies Alex and Jaime), and coaches Joran and the Kalpoes on what to say and how to stick to the story.
So, Van Der Straaten starts making arrests, questioning people, and finally settles on holding Joran: there is no forensic evidence to prove he did anything, and Van Der Straaten knows even if it goes to trial Joran will get off. Meanwhile, the family may give up and leave. They don't, so Van Der Straaten has to up the ante: a protest to try to get the family off the island.
Tim Miller with Texas EquuSearch shows up and lets himself be blithely led around in circles...no body, no crime, right? Well this makes a great distraction: people looking for a body they will never find because Natalee is still using hers. Looks like something is getting done to the media and the family, right? No! They're still there being very determined and amazingly strong, even after Van Der Straaten threatens to shut down the case if the Twittys don't stop being so vocal. That kind of works: they shush up but they don't leave, but they hire their own PIs. Damn! Ok...up the ante: get Natalee’s hair off hairbrush (or somebody else's hair, really doesn't matter either way), plant evidence to be found even though that locale was already searched. "Oh must've washed up out of the sea". Family is still there! Well, we need more compelling evidence now: how about DNA? Sure, grab the Kalpoes and Joran and get some, no problem. Sorry, Paulus Van Der Sloot (Joran’s father), but Joran's going to have to take the fall after all unless you want every drug dealer on this island...and maybe even those really dangerous Mafioso’s you owe money to (not saying names, but the guy who wins certain casinos...after your head the (Columbia neck tie version). Joran's a minor so even if he gets convicted of murder he'll only get ten years. Maybe, that will get the family out of there, so we return Natalie (well, maybe), and Joran gets released. Remember, the haircut Joran got not long ago? Don't be surprised if Joran's hair turns up someplace convenient as evidence too. Aruba LE (Law Enforcement) must think we're stupid...but the Twittys ARE losing sight of finding Natalee and getting wrapped up in justice. They want a fall guy because they're so convinced Nat is dead and in so much pain from not knowing. Luckily, all the family is not convinced. In the meantime, who has Natalee and why? Well, right now she is on an oil tanker being held, and probably being abused to break her down so when she is returned she won't talk. All I know about this vessel is it makes port of call in Costa Rica, probably takes oil from Venezuela to Africa or maybe Europe, was in Aruba or perhaps Venezuela between 05/31 and 06/10, and has a German registry. That ship is probably halfway across the Atlantic by now, but luckily in international waters. 70N, 45E maybe As long as this is, I've left out a lot of details (such as my insider to the case who tipped me off to a lot of this).
OK, do what you will with this. I am going to the talk radio stations I have contact with starting tomorrow (one of my people helped Ken Starr with Whitewater, so she knows her media contacts), and I'm sending this to Greta at Fox even thought if she's missed this all thus far she will never pick up the right track. Like I said, go ahead and use any of this you can with my blessing, and feel free to call me. The Twittys and Holloways and the FBI have this info, but don't seem to be acting on it much...they really don't take us seriously. As long as this is, I've left out a lot of details (such as my insider to the case who tipped me off to a lot of this).
Dan
by : dan
First, about Joran Van Der Sloot. He's a creepy kid with bad parents, but he's no murderer, not even by accident as he claims. Don't get me wrong, he's no angel: people have come out to Fox and CNBC about his past. Usual weekend activities: pick up unsuspecting tourist girl- someone cute and naive, find out when her last night on the island is, hook up that night, drug, date rape, leave on the beach (to slink off in shame with little memory of the night's events), repeat next weekend. Ok, so why the lies and confession and story changes? Joran is a glory hog according to my profiler: he thinks of himself as a Tom Cruise in training, and being held for a crime he won't get convicted of is a great way to feel important. So, confessions and story changes when he feels like the limelight is off him. As for what happened on May 30, well...
Joran hooks up with Natalee just as described. He invites her to a 'private party' after hours at C&Cs. Slips her an X (Ecstasy-date rape drug), gets the Kalpoes to pick them up, Satish drops Joran, Natalee, and Deepak off at a private party (rave party-drugs, booze, and date rape drugs). Now where exactly I don't know, but /possibly/ at the home of Lorenzo Van Rijn. ( man that kills dogs in a brutal manner) Well, there are some people at the party Joran isn't comfortable with...local drug dealers, maybe some local cops (oh yes, again verified by eyewitnesses: the LE even up to Jan Van Der Straaten(Police chief) are known to hit the parties after hours. Joran gets nervous and he and Deepak leave Natalie there, thinking she'll turn up again just like all the other girls.
But then somebody deviates from the plan. Maybe Natalie wasn't all the way under and saw who (Van Der Straaten-Police chief, and drug dealers) was there. Maybe she just came to in the middle of the 'party' and was witness to her own assault. Anyway, the guys at the party keep her a while longer, but three things happen that totally screw things up: Natalie manages to make a few phone calls when nobody's looking, she leaves her hairbrush behind, and Van Der Straaten shows up at that party to collect his take. So he knows Natalee was there and with whom and she knows he was there. Next morning Beth Twitty is already in Aruba crying havoc. Paulus our judge-in-training (he actually failed his exam)
wakes up Joran and asks about Natalee. Joran tells him what happened and washes Deepak's car real well to eliminate any trace that Natalee was ever with them that night. Paulus calls up his buddy Van Der Straaten: (Police chief who is Joran’s real grandfather.) Jan, we have a problem..." "Paulus, don't worry; I'll take care of it" Well, the Twittys bring a small army of reporters and volunteers with them, and it makes returning Natalee really, really tough. Jan was hoping he could find Natalie, plant her on the beach, and "Oh look, just as we said. She was hanging out with the beach bums like usually happens." But now even after he finds Natalee, he can't return her without all this mess being exposed... including the past charges of accepting bribes from the local drug dealers to look the other way. Don't believe me? Call up Chuck Geiss at Black & White Birmingham newspaper and ask him how hard he has it trying to corroborate dirt on Van Der Straaten. Well, what can Jan do? He can stall...and he tries. Unfortunately, the Twittys and Holloways are the best parents in the world (and I sincerely mean that), and they are not leaving. Meanwhile, Paulus catches Joran bragging about his latest conquest at school (just ask Joran's buddies Alex and Jaime), and coaches Joran and the Kalpoes on what to say and how to stick to the story.
So, Van Der Straaten starts making arrests, questioning people, and finally settles on holding Joran: there is no forensic evidence to prove he did anything, and Van Der Straaten knows even if it goes to trial Joran will get off. Meanwhile, the family may give up and leave. They don't, so Van Der Straaten has to up the ante: a protest to try to get the family off the island.
Tim Miller with Texas EquuSearch shows up and lets himself be blithely led around in circles...no body, no crime, right? Well this makes a great distraction: people looking for a body they will never find because Natalee is still using hers. Looks like something is getting done to the media and the family, right? No! They're still there being very determined and amazingly strong, even after Van Der Straaten threatens to shut down the case if the Twittys don't stop being so vocal. That kind of works: they shush up but they don't leave, but they hire their own PIs. Damn! Ok...up the ante: get Natalee’s hair off hairbrush (or somebody else's hair, really doesn't matter either way), plant evidence to be found even though that locale was already searched. "Oh must've washed up out of the sea". Family is still there! Well, we need more compelling evidence now: how about DNA? Sure, grab the Kalpoes and Joran and get some, no problem. Sorry, Paulus Van Der Sloot (Joran’s father), but Joran's going to have to take the fall after all unless you want every drug dealer on this island...and maybe even those really dangerous Mafioso’s you owe money to (not saying names, but the guy who wins certain casinos...after your head the (Columbia neck tie version). Joran's a minor so even if he gets convicted of murder he'll only get ten years. Maybe, that will get the family out of there, so we return Natalie (well, maybe), and Joran gets released. Remember, the haircut Joran got not long ago? Don't be surprised if Joran's hair turns up someplace convenient as evidence too. Aruba LE (Law Enforcement) must think we're stupid...but the Twittys ARE losing sight of finding Natalee and getting wrapped up in justice. They want a fall guy because they're so convinced Nat is dead and in so much pain from not knowing. Luckily, all the family is not convinced. In the meantime, who has Natalee and why? Well, right now she is on an oil tanker being held, and probably being abused to break her down so when she is returned she won't talk. All I know about this vessel is it makes port of call in Costa Rica, probably takes oil from Venezuela to Africa or maybe Europe, was in Aruba or perhaps Venezuela between 05/31 and 06/10, and has a German registry. That ship is probably halfway across the Atlantic by now, but luckily in international waters. 70N, 45E maybe As long as this is, I've left out a lot of details (such as my insider to the case who tipped me off to a lot of this).
OK, do what you will with this. I am going to the talk radio stations I have contact with starting tomorrow (one of my people helped Ken Starr with Whitewater, so she knows her media contacts), and I'm sending this to Greta at Fox even thought if she's missed this all thus far she will never pick up the right track. Like I said, go ahead and use any of this you can with my blessing, and feel free to call me. The Twittys and Holloways and the FBI have this info, but don't seem to be acting on it much...they really don't take us seriously. As long as this is, I've left out a lot of details (such as my insider to the case who tipped me off to a lot of this).
Dan
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
here you can see ship locations:
http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml?lat=69.6&lon=43.8&radius=300
i hope they make a log every day
http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml?lat=69.6&lon=43.8&radius=300
i hope they make a log every day
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Observer, which one is you?
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Met een van die boten ga ik van de zomer op vakantie!quote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 23:12 schreef johan555 het volgende:
here you can see ship locations:
http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml?lat=69.6&lon=43.8&radius=300
i hope they make a log every day
Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil.
Deze logs zijn van grote schepen die op de radar/per sateliet zichtbaar zijn en ik denk niet dat ze een olietanker of een driemaster hebben gebruikt...quote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 23:12 schreef johan555 het volgende:
here you can see ship locations:
http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml?lat=69.6&lon=43.8&radius=300
i hope they make a log every day
Dat denk ik ook niet; dit lijkt me meer voor de hand liggend:quote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 23:37 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
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Deze logs zijn van grote schepen die op de radar/per sateliet zichtbaar zijn en ik denk niet dat ze een olietanker of een driemaster hebben gebruikt...
Overigens kun je op deze site ook leuke webcam shots (om de 10 min. geupdate) en virtual tours van de stranden vinden: http://www.arubatourism.com/webcams.html
Observer: I really can't find the adv. from the house anymore, the data from my disk of that day I deleted myself because of other reasons (when I clean up I do it good
; I just know it was that house because I saw pictures of it before..and I remember the price going with the advertise-had to laugh about it while I explained my "fun" to my husband (he did not understood why I was jumping from my seat by the picture). I sorry..drop it I would say 
Dingendoendingendoendingen..
quote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 23:19 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
Observer, which one is you?
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“I'm in trouble because I'm normal and slightly arrogant. A lot of people don't like themselves and I happen to be totally in love with myself.”
Deze logs zijn van grote schepen die op de radar/per sateliet zichtbaar zijn en ik denk niet dat ze een olietanker of een driemaster hebben gebruikt...
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en ligt daar een kustwacht ?
ik heb weleens een reportage gemaakt over de nederlandse kustwacht ,meegevaren en ze kunnen van ieder bootje de vaarrichting zien ,snelheid en groote !
dus als er een bootje om 3 uur s'nacht de zee opvaart kunnen ze dat zien en als ie snel vaart ,is ie al verdacht
het is immers ook een drugs route daar
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en ligt daar een kustwacht ?
ik heb weleens een reportage gemaakt over de nederlandse kustwacht ,meegevaren en ze kunnen van ieder bootje de vaarrichting zien ,snelheid en groote !
dus als er een bootje om 3 uur s'nacht de zee opvaart kunnen ze dat zien en als ie snel vaart ,is ie al verdacht
het is immers ook een drugs route daar
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
