Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #6

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 00:20 schreef KlaasOosterbos het volgende:
STRAATEN, Giliam Van Der - Jan Van Der Straaten’s son, reportedly one of the pimps. Dutch. Son of ARUBA police superintendent and said to be friend of Principal Suspect J. Sloot.

Waarom kan ik helemaal niets vinden over deze vrind van Joran? (geen verhoor, foto's o.i.d.)
Logeerde hij ook bij huize vd Sloot?
In statement(s) van MB roommates van Natalee, had ze (voor het weekend) aan hun gezegd dat zij een oogje op een Nederlandse jongen had, zij en Joran hadden elkaar nauwelijks gezien en/of gesproken voor de avond/nacht van de verdwijning..

Weet iemand wel iets van deze "Gilliam" ?

hoe heet die politie chef nou. van der straten of van der straaten en soms ook weer van der stratten.
ik denk van der straten is maar omdat de amerikanen vanaf het begin van der straaten zijn gebruiken.
kom je vaker van der straaten tegen...

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 00:32 schreef Caesu het volgende:

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hoe heet die politie chef nou. van der straten of van der straaten en soms ook weer van der stratten.
ik denk van der straten is maar omdat de amerikanen vanaf het begin van der straaten zijn gebruiken.
kom je vaker van der straaten tegen...

Het is inderdaad Van der Straten met één "a".
Kijk maar in dit PV bijvoorbeeld:

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/janvds.htm

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 00:20 schreef KlaasOosterbos het volgende:
STRAATEN, Giliam Van Der - Jan Van Der Straaten’s son, reportedly one of the pimps. Dutch. Son of ARUBA police superintendent and said to be friend of Principal Suspect J. Sloot.

Waarom kan ik helemaal niets vinden over deze vrind van Joran? (geen verhoor, foto's o.i.d.)
Logeerde hij ook bij huize vd Sloot?
In statement(s) van MB roommates van Natalee, had ze (voor het weekend) aan hun gezegd dat zij een oogje op een Nederlandse jongen had, zij en Joran hadden elkaar nauwelijks gezien en/of gesproken voor de avond/nacht van de verdwijning..

Weet iemand wel iets van deze "Gilliam" ?

No one has found anything on this son of Jan VDS. He does exist but there is just little to no information about him on the internet,only people that went to school with him in Aruba. He may have nothing to do with Natalee as I never see his name mentioned,only speculation.

Not sure if this is the same person or not. All to often there name is spelled Van Der Straten and Van Der Straaten.
http://www.bordercollie.eu/index.php?option=com_ezine&Itemid=135

deze film geeft Giliam van der Straaten een demonstratie schapen scheren.
Hij legt uit hoe je het beste een schaap kunt scheren en waar je op moet letten.

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 00:38 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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No one has found anything on this son of Jan VDS. He does exist but there is just little to no information about him on the internet,only people that went to school with him in Aruba. He may have nothing to do with Natalee as I never see his name mentioned,only speculation.

Not sure if this is the same person or not.
http://www.bordercollie.eu/index.php?option=com_ezine&Itemid=135

deze film geeft Giliam van der Straaten een demonstratie schapen scheren.
Hij legt uit hoe je het beste een schaap kunt scheren en waar je op moet letten.

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There are more dogs who are called 'Fikkie'. .

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 00:38 schreef observer777 het volgende:

deze film geeft Giliam van der Straaten een demonstratie schapen scheren.
Hij legt uit hoe je het beste een schaap kunt scheren en waar je op moet letten.

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thanks

Het is Van der Straten maar in de engelse stukken meestal met een dubbele a..en Joran schrijft men bv als Juran.

Maar als die Giliam "one of the pimps" was cq. vriend van Joran, hoezo is er dan niets van/over hem te vinden, zijn pa was wel in de directe omgeving bij de van der Sloot's..Ik vroeg me dit gewoon af, daar zo'n beetje heel de kring rond Joran en Natalee is ondervraagt/geregistreerd (inclu de aap van de buren en hond van Joran?). Op z'n minst had ik een "alibi" verwacht waardoor hij uit de picture geraakt..maar vreemd genoeg is deze knul helemaal niet eens in de picture gekomen. Zeggen dat hij daarom er niets mee van doen zou hebben is m.i. nogal kort; er zijn ook verdachten geweest die geheel binnenste buiten zijn gekeerd "terwijl ze er niets mee van doen hadden" .

Maar laat maar hangen

Er komt een heleboel apekool uit die sm-kooi

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 00:54 schreef barthol het volgende:
Er komt een heleboel apekool uit die sm-kooi

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vd Straten heeft geen zoon

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 00:54 schreef barthol het volgende:
Er komt een heleboel apekool uit die sm-kooi

This case looks a bit like the Deventermoordzaak and the Maddy McCann case. In so far that there are angry webloggers who are convinced that in the first case the guy that's convicted is innocent, in the second case the parents themselves are guilty and in this case Joran van der Sloot is guilty, whilst once and for all, proof seems to be lacking. In stead of accepting this fact, they go on and on, somethimes for years like in the case of the Deventermoordzaak, to proof what can't be proven. They make these cases into a personel quest, and in the Holloway case even a moral quest of good against bad. And in the end that explains why users who aren't that closely involved, can't take their activities serious anymore, I think.

Well that's how story's are made, isn't it.

I'm not from or on SM; I just had a question that I saw nowhere else on FOK, nothing personal, anger or good or bad-thing.

I.m.h.o. talking about another forum is not interesting..guess there's no answer (no I don't want a pic of a bold sheep and his made)

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 02:13 schreef KlaasOosterbos het volgende:
Well that's how story's are made, isn't it.

I'm not from or on SM; I just had a question that I saw nowhere else on FOK, nothing personal, anger or good or bad-thing.

I.m.h.o. talking about another forum is not interesting..

It's talking about reliability of sources, isn't it? And ofcourse about motivation. That in fact is very interesting because you can find certain similarities between this case and before mentioned cases.

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 02:18 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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It's talking about reliability of sources, isn't it? And ofcourse about motivation. That in fact is very interesting because you can find certain similarities between this case and before mentioned cases.

Yes, you right there but now it seems like my question was in a way relateded to SM and that is not the case, other wise I would ask it there

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 02:23 schreef KlaasOosterbos het volgende:

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Yes, you right there but now it seems like my question was in a way relateded to SM and that is not the case, other wise I would ask it there

What is you question then?
And I, for one, find Scared Monkeys not a reliable source of information on at least this case.
The same thing with webloggers who stress that eiter Louwes isn't guilty and the McCanns are guilty. It more or less has become a religion with these webloggers, a struggle between good and evil, so you will.

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 02:27 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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What is you question then?
And I, for one, find Scared Monkeys not a reliable source of information on at least this case.
The same thing with webloggers who stress that eiter Louwes isn't guilty and the McCanns are guilty. It more or less has become a religion with these webloggers, a struggle between good and evil, so you will.

I differ with your opinion,Scaredmonkeys is the best place to get the most reliable information on this case. They even have the archives that go back to June 2005. Most other blogs have plants filling the blog with wrong information.

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 02:27 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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What is you question then?
And I, for one, find Scared Monkeys not a reliable source of information on at least this case.
The same thing with webloggers who stress that eiter Louwes isn't guilty and the McCanns are guilty. It more or less has become a religion with these webloggers, a struggle between good and evil, so you will.

The question was "does anybody know something about "Giliam van der Straten"
but drop it I would say, it's not that important

I'm not a weblogger, and don't find SM not a reliable source either and I don't struggle between good and evil.
I'm no person that thinks Joran have to hang but sorry I'm not gonna hug him instead..He has to live his life and I live mine.
Mostly I'm interested in the how people react on cases like this, not the first time I've been flabbergasted, so there's where I can go along whit you.

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 02:47 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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I differ with your opinion,Scaredmonkeys is the best place to get the most reliable information on this case. They even have the archives that go back to June 2005. Most other blogs have plants filling the blog with wrong information.

Not want to talk about a different place here, but a fact the only reliable information also on SM are the official documents and sourced wittings, and there's no special SM-copyright on that..

of course it's okay what they do, people can take wat they want or leave it, that's there own choice

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 02:47 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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I differ with your opinion,Scaredmonkeys is the best place to get the most reliable information on this case. They even have the archives of both the Front page posts and the internal forum going back to June 2005. Most other blogs have plants filling the blog with wrong information.

Well, I visited you're weblog, and read (a bit) about this case and the many other cases which are featured, and I find that in this case many users (and that's why I said 'in at least this case') refer to a good and evil struggle. There's no proper evidence to suggest that what you guys claim (a big cover-up including Paul van der Sloot and higher powers) is actually in place. There is not even proof that the first step stone of that theory (i.e. that they drove to Joran's den, then gangraped her en killed her) is true. So? On the other hand users suggest that an All American Southern gall linke Natalee is a symbol of everything that is good on this earth, whilst damn' liberals such are Dutch people ressemble evil.
No, to me, and I'm Dutch, it is very much biassed. I do not believe in such a picture of our world. I as a matter of fact think people are everywhere more or less the same. In Aruba there's, for one thing, not more corruption then there's in the US of A. (I read today in a paper that because of the war against terrorism, US govt isn't doing anything against the, therefore growing, influence of organized crime on economy. Apparantly federal programs against organized crime get too less attention because of the war on terrorism abroad).

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 03:05 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Well, I visited you're weblog, and read (a bit) about this case and the many other cases which are featured, and I find that in this case many users (and that's why I said 'in at least this case') refer to a good and evil struggle. There's no proper evidence to suggest that what you guys claim (a big cover-up including Paul van der Sloot and higher powers) is actually in place. There is not even proof that the first step stone of that theory (i.e. that they drove to Joran's den, then gangraped her en killed her) is true. So? On the other hand users suggest that an All American Southern gall linke Natalee is a symbol of everything that is good on this earth, whilst damn' liberals such are Dutch people ressemble evil.
No, to me, and I'm Dutch, it is very much biassed. I do not believe in such a picture of our world. I as a matter of fact think people are everywhere more or less the same. In Aruba there's, for one thing, not more corruption then there's in the US of A. (I read today in a paper that because of the war against terrorism, US govt isn't doing anything against the, therefore growing, influence of organized crime on economy. Apparantly federal programs against organized crime get too less attention because of the war on terrorism abroad).

Your opinion is appreciated but I disagree with you big time..I think you have much to learn about the case of Natalee Holloway.

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 03:18 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Your opinion is appreciated but I disagree with you big time..I think you have much to learn about the case of Natalee Holloway.

What I read on Scared Monkeys suffices to agree with what yvonne much earlier in this threads, although on another aspect, said; there's a very big cultural lap between (a majoraty of) the Dutch and (problably a lot of) Americans.

Oh, and btw the clue in solving this case'll not lay in trying to find out what Joran did or did not do; but in what kind of girl Natalee really was.