Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #6

Het is Van der Straten maar in de engelse stukken meestal met een dubbele a..en Joran schrijft men bv als Juran.

Maar als die Giliam "one of the pimps" was cq. vriend van Joran, hoezo is er dan niets van/over hem te vinden, zijn pa was wel in de directe omgeving bij de van der Sloot's..Ik vroeg me dit gewoon af, daar zo'n beetje heel de kring rond Joran en Natalee is ondervraagt/geregistreerd (inclu de aap van de buren en hond van Joran?). Op z'n minst had ik een "alibi" verwacht waardoor hij uit de picture geraakt..maar vreemd genoeg is deze knul helemaal niet eens in de picture gekomen. Zeggen dat hij daarom er niets mee van doen zou hebben is m.i. nogal kort; er zijn ook verdachten geweest die geheel binnenste buiten zijn gekeerd "terwijl ze er niets mee van doen hadden" .

Maar laat maar hangen

Er komt een heleboel apekool uit die sm-kooi

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 00:54 schreef barthol het volgende:
Er komt een heleboel apekool uit die sm-kooi

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vd Straten heeft geen zoon

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 00:54 schreef barthol het volgende:
Er komt een heleboel apekool uit die sm-kooi

This case looks a bit like the Deventermoordzaak and the Maddy McCann case. In so far that there are angry webloggers who are convinced that in the first case the guy that's convicted is innocent, in the second case the parents themselves are guilty and in this case Joran van der Sloot is guilty, whilst once and for all, proof seems to be lacking. In stead of accepting this fact, they go on and on, somethimes for years like in the case of the Deventermoordzaak, to proof what can't be proven. They make these cases into a personel quest, and in the Holloway case even a moral quest of good against bad. And in the end that explains why users who aren't that closely involved, can't take their activities serious anymore, I think.

Well that's how story's are made, isn't it.

I'm not from or on SM; I just had a question that I saw nowhere else on FOK, nothing personal, anger or good or bad-thing.

I.m.h.o. talking about another forum is not interesting..guess there's no answer (no I don't want a pic of a bold sheep and his made)

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 02:13 schreef KlaasOosterbos het volgende:
Well that's how story's are made, isn't it.

I'm not from or on SM; I just had a question that I saw nowhere else on FOK, nothing personal, anger or good or bad-thing.

I.m.h.o. talking about another forum is not interesting..

It's talking about reliability of sources, isn't it? And ofcourse about motivation. That in fact is very interesting because you can find certain similarities between this case and before mentioned cases.

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 02:18 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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It's talking about reliability of sources, isn't it? And ofcourse about motivation. That in fact is very interesting because you can find certain similarities between this case and before mentioned cases.

Yes, you right there but now it seems like my question was in a way relateded to SM and that is not the case, other wise I would ask it there

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 02:23 schreef KlaasOosterbos het volgende:

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Yes, you right there but now it seems like my question was in a way relateded to SM and that is not the case, other wise I would ask it there

What is you question then?
And I, for one, find Scared Monkeys not a reliable source of information on at least this case.
The same thing with webloggers who stress that eiter Louwes isn't guilty and the McCanns are guilty. It more or less has become a religion with these webloggers, a struggle between good and evil, so you will.

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 02:27 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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What is you question then?
And I, for one, find Scared Monkeys not a reliable source of information on at least this case.
The same thing with webloggers who stress that eiter Louwes isn't guilty and the McCanns are guilty. It more or less has become a religion with these webloggers, a struggle between good and evil, so you will.

I differ with your opinion,Scaredmonkeys is the best place to get the most reliable information on this case. They even have the archives that go back to June 2005. Most other blogs have plants filling the blog with wrong information.

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 02:27 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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What is you question then?
And I, for one, find Scared Monkeys not a reliable source of information on at least this case.
The same thing with webloggers who stress that eiter Louwes isn't guilty and the McCanns are guilty. It more or less has become a religion with these webloggers, a struggle between good and evil, so you will.

The question was "does anybody know something about "Giliam van der Straten"
but drop it I would say, it's not that important

I'm not a weblogger, and don't find SM not a reliable source either and I don't struggle between good and evil.
I'm no person that thinks Joran have to hang but sorry I'm not gonna hug him instead..He has to live his life and I live mine.
Mostly I'm interested in the how people react on cases like this, not the first time I've been flabbergasted, so there's where I can go along whit you.

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 02:47 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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I differ with your opinion,Scaredmonkeys is the best place to get the most reliable information on this case. They even have the archives that go back to June 2005. Most other blogs have plants filling the blog with wrong information.

Not want to talk about a different place here, but a fact the only reliable information also on SM are the official documents and sourced wittings, and there's no special SM-copyright on that..

of course it's okay what they do, people can take wat they want or leave it, that's there own choice

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 02:47 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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I differ with your opinion,Scaredmonkeys is the best place to get the most reliable information on this case. They even have the archives of both the Front page posts and the internal forum going back to June 2005. Most other blogs have plants filling the blog with wrong information.

Well, I visited you're weblog, and read (a bit) about this case and the many other cases which are featured, and I find that in this case many users (and that's why I said 'in at least this case') refer to a good and evil struggle. There's no proper evidence to suggest that what you guys claim (a big cover-up including Paul van der Sloot and higher powers) is actually in place. There is not even proof that the first step stone of that theory (i.e. that they drove to Joran's den, then gangraped her en killed her) is true. So? On the other hand users suggest that an All American Southern gall linke Natalee is a symbol of everything that is good on this earth, whilst damn' liberals such are Dutch people ressemble evil.
No, to me, and I'm Dutch, it is very much biassed. I do not believe in such a picture of our world. I as a matter of fact think people are everywhere more or less the same. In Aruba there's, for one thing, not more corruption then there's in the US of A. (I read today in a paper that because of the war against terrorism, US govt isn't doing anything against the, therefore growing, influence of organized crime on economy. Apparantly federal programs against organized crime get too less attention because of the war on terrorism abroad).

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 03:05 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Well, I visited you're weblog, and read (a bit) about this case and the many other cases which are featured, and I find that in this case many users (and that's why I said 'in at least this case') refer to a good and evil struggle. There's no proper evidence to suggest that what you guys claim (a big cover-up including Paul van der Sloot and higher powers) is actually in place. There is not even proof that the first step stone of that theory (i.e. that they drove to Joran's den, then gangraped her en killed her) is true. So? On the other hand users suggest that an All American Southern gall linke Natalee is a symbol of everything that is good on this earth, whilst damn' liberals such are Dutch people ressemble evil.
No, to me, and I'm Dutch, it is very much biassed. I do not believe in such a picture of our world. I as a matter of fact think people are everywhere more or less the same. In Aruba there's, for one thing, not more corruption then there's in the US of A. (I read today in a paper that because of the war against terrorism, US govt isn't doing anything against the, therefore growing, influence of organized crime on economy. Apparantly federal programs against organized crime get too less attention because of the war on terrorism abroad).

Your opinion is appreciated but I disagree with you big time..I think you have much to learn about the case of Natalee Holloway.

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 03:18 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Your opinion is appreciated but I disagree with you big time..I think you have much to learn about the case of Natalee Holloway.

What I read on Scared Monkeys suffices to agree with what yvonne much earlier in this threads, although on another aspect, said; there's a very big cultural lap between (a majoraty of) the Dutch and (problably a lot of) Americans.

Oh, and btw the clue in solving this case'll not lay in trying to find out what Joran did or did not do; but in what kind of girl Natalee really was.

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 03:24 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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What I read on Scared Monkeys suffices to agree with what yvonne much earlier in this threads, although on another aspect, said; there's a very big cultural lap between (a majoraty of) the Dutch and (problably a lot of) Americans.

Has nothing to do with cultural aspects,it has to do with the facts of this case and the events that happened since may 29th 2005. It's a huge amount of information and I didn't expect you to read it all in one week.

Most at SM were there in the beginning and saw all the dis-information people saying Natalee was in Brazil,Was a druggy,A whore,got pregnant,ran off with a dutch man,parents did it for insurance,Holloways are liars..You don't have a clue about that Ryan..They havent stopped since June 2005. Not too long ago they even had the two psychics that were absolutely evil and lied about everything..I am telling you they spent millions attacking this family and Natalee. People at SM and elsewhere are angry and they have the right to be. When you see all that was done you will be also.

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 03:35 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
Oh, and btw the clue in solving this case'll not lay in trying to find out what Joran did or did not do; but in what kind of girl Natalee really was.

Ok your lost dude..Really lost..She was a straight A student,attended bible class,helped the elderly and was a nieve goody too shoes that probably never even had sex before. Never drank much,never did drugs and was a extremely good kid. She was outgoing,very intelligent and wanted to be a doctor and was ready to go to a 4 year top notch university until someone murdered her and took it all away.

That is what Natalee was like. I know this for a fact. You are looking totally in the wrong direction and I suggest you read up on this case.

Yes "they" have the right to be angry but when men are angry, disappointed or have personal interest, they cannot be objective in all. So for that matter everyone has to read information with care.

Well,
read this with care, and this is just a transcript of an american report:

The Lineup--

Art Wood: "It's Paulus' computer that holds the key to this case."

First week of June, Michael Dompig told Dave Holloway that Paulus VDS borrowed a friend's boat on the day that Natalee disappeared.

In Joran's confession, he called a friend. . .Art thinks that friend was Paulus VDS.

(Art repeats the exchange between Joran and the "friend.")

AW: "Does that sound like an exchange between father and son?"

KG: "Sure does to me, I find it persuasive, it makes a lot of sense; and, it makes sense that Joran wouldn't give his father up to that friend, Patrick, of his. . ."

AW: ". . .it says here, when the Aruban police force ceased his computer, and examined the harddrive, found that on the day that Natalee disappeared Paulus visited some websites looking at the effects of alcohol and drugs on a body."


Ok Dompig and Van der Sloot, sorry but I found out by reading stuff not only on SM but on other sources as well,actually, there is a wig between the sloots and kalpoe's from what I read all over, Gerold dompig is in the kalpoe camp and Sloots are hiding (behind) persons whatever but it's their protection as well, just asking:was Paulus involved in any bribe of for instance a new a Hotel in Aruba when he was dealing contract as a lawyer when he just landed on Aruba?...and so on, it's his, I Have something on you ..(Joran: Ik heb iets op hem).
And of course if this goes up the ladder all kind of people throw out their lifeboat-explanation...but how many lifeboats are left?

BTW: video's on SM just showed us that Joran has 'serious problems' with Jorans younger brothers as far as Anita Van der Sloot-Hugen her opinion is..so he's a Bully afterall confirmed by his mom?Tales tell on the island his Physics talking 2 times in a better standing..Anita knows...

[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door letsgetthiscasesolved op 17-02-2008 05:54:44 ]

Hi letsgetthiscasesolved,

Yes Art brought up old news but good that people heard and may be informed. We all saw the forensics done on the computer.

At 8:37PM PVDS is looking up Drugs,alcohol,the dangers of this for young people,a lawyers office and the word bear. Then a catastrophic virus hits the computer and erases/corrupts most everything at 9:18PM on May 30th 2005.
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PVDS worked many years for the Govt of Aruba and even as a Lawyer. They were not happy with his work and he did contracts for the GOVT. It is speculated that he and Rudy Croes in 1998 helped get convicted felon and known mobster Michael Posner the visa and permits to run/own the Holiday Inn,Excelsior Casino and Brickel Bay hotel in Aruba.

Some background info on PVDS
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2184.msg285533#msg285533

Just to say plain short: All are being tricked by a magic wonderboy who is not high class but can chess as a marble! And so does his dad, but WTF is happening on ' one happy island'?
I've been on Isla M. and I got it right away after the weird taxi appology and the candles on the bed 'just incase of a...' and then we had no power and water for two days...and the whole hotel had diariaa..
But Aruba..that's dutch right? I'm Dutch!
So all shit is being handled right, in the right way?
Well, my opinion is now..buy it Hugo, it's cheap of all the harrassing and you can buy it off the loyal, normal thinking people now (LOL) and maybe you can teach them some by shutting off the power or so...or any not happened earthquakes when the boats are not running...hey what about another bright idea..a tsunami..great!!!

Observer, I'm reading between visiting relatives and going out for dinner a lot in the stuff that goes to the 10th of june(what you said is pretty believable, or it was the 9th) and it helps to see what's after all tis time is confirmed and a joke or hearsay.
Let's just get a lot of info get secured and confirmed about pvds his young carreer and I'll trow in this as a suprise: I like to know all about P van R and his son LVR or Locoman, just for interest..a guy named Jelle answered tonight somewhere and said he started with P. the firm R+ S dieselservice..after Haarlem in Aruba

Rofl: Posner, is he at the Gambini's arrest as well or ...?Tacopina has a busy agenda! LOL wonder if he has time for Joran and Mosko..pfffff...Mosko has time enough to get this case his way! May be that's why he gambled this case would be good on his path, all in all it's not a good civil-course lawyer and then the guy Spong who was all the time not kind of PRDV his report, isn't he the contra of Mosko in the surinam case?
ROFL, let's see who has the largest....

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 06:19 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Observer, I'm reading between visiting relatives and going out for dinner a lot in the stuff that goes to the 10th of june(what you said is pretty believable, or it was the 9th) and it helps to see what's after all tis time is confirmed and a joke or hearsay.
Let's just get a lot of info get secured and confirmed about pvds his young carreer and I'll trow in this as a suprise: I like to know all about P van R and his son LVR or Locoman, just for interest..a guy named Jelle answered tonight somewhere and said he started with P. the firm R+ S dieselservice..after Haarlem in Aruba

The events from June 9th and June 23rd are incredible! I have spent a enormous amount of time on those days and generated a great deal of my interest. It is quite telling looking at who was questioned,who was arrested and what events happened.

I didnt get what you were saying about Jelle? Are you saying Paul Van Der Sloot was involved in R&S with the Van Rijns and someone else? Do you have a link? As far as I know and researched R&S was owned by the Van Rijns as well as the car dealership,export business and go cart track.