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I didn't understand your posts either.. at least, I'm not sure weither I did or not 
Like Qwea asked: how do you come up with these 'facts' that are known to you but not to the media?
Like Qwea asked: how do you come up with these 'facts' that are known to you but not to the media?
Op dinsdag 17 april 2007 14:13 schreef Gia het volgende over haar kinderen:
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
Aah, note ; and there was a man with scratches on his arm. He went from aruba to the netherlands. What about him?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:29 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
Observer777,
Of couse we'll understand, but sometimes it is complicated to read the translations, especially if you do not know too much about this case. Have you heard about the black eye that Joran seems to have had the day after Nathalee's disappearance?
By the way: have you seen the interview with Joran, his parents and PeterR in the show of "Pauw and Witteman" ( links are on this site) and the interaction between Joran and his father?
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Sorry all,I should have written in english..I have many dutch friends and some write better than I doquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:28 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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Aaah, goddamn. A translator. I didn't get shit from your posts.My bad.
But how do you know this is real? Did you investigate it yourself? Or am I missing something here?
All of this I investigated myself and it is 100% real. I moderate at a board called scaredmonkeys.net and have followed this case since the very beginning. All of this info was brought together by a bunch of us and I promise you it is all fact unless stated otherwise. I just wanted to make sure all of you knew what was going on and theres a ton more. Especially the Fathers contacts,the blood that turned out to be chocoalte,the confession and leading them to the body..etc etc etc. Our news coverage stinks here in the U.S and to get real facts on this case you have to look to the blogs,well the correct blogs. I see you guys have a great blog here also.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
The media is horrible here and the Arubans have spent millions attacking Natalee's family and has extremely expensive attorneys. We have known these facts fopr a long long time and tons more also!!!!!!!! You would be blown away!!!!quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:34 schreef Goofup het volgende:
I didn't understand your posts either.. at least, I'm not sure weither I did or not
Like Qwea asked: how do you come up with these 'facts' that are known to you but not to the media?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Don't get me wrong, but scaredmonkeys isn't the most reliable board/source if you ask me.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:39 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Sorry all,I should have written in english..I have many dutch friends and some write better than I do
About the blood ; You mean the blood that was on the t-shirt from Geoffrey van C?
All these facts that you name, are totally new too me. I never heard from it.
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Guido Wever? He was reported to have scratches on his face!! Witnessed by 5 people at the Excelsior casino where he worked as a intern and also witnessed at his school. He fled Aruba shortly after NH dissapeared,left his brand new white nissan,missed graduation and left his job early.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:38 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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Aah, note ; and there was a man with scratches on his arm. He went from aruba to the netherlands. What about him?
There are also two witnesses,a teacher and a boy at the school that said Joran had a large bruise on his face the next day as well. When they asked Joran about it,he said he got in a fight 2 days earlier at carlos and charlies.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I agree with QWEA, this sounds like a terrible conspiracy theory.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:42 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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The media is horrible here and the Arubans have spent millions attacking Natalee's family and has extremely expensive attorneys. We have known these facts fopr a long long time and tons more also!!!!!!!! You would be blown away!!!!
Can you really prove all the facts you told us?
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About Jorans black eye I know. However I suspect it wasn't from a barfightquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:45 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Guido Wever? He was reported to have scratches on his face!! Witnessed by 5 people at the Excelsior casino where he worked as a intern and also witnessed at his school. He fled Aruba shortly after NH dissapeared,left his brand new white nissan,missed graduation and left his job early.
There are also two witnesses,a teacher and a boy at the school that said Joran had a large bruise on his face the next day as well. When they asked Joran about it,he said he got in a fight 2 days earlier at carlos and charlies.
Where does Guido wever live now?
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No, I am talking about the blood in deepaks car that was announced by Prime Minister Oduber,Dept of Justice Rudy Croes,FBI and several police. It was in the headliner of the car,backseat and trunk. A few days later they said it was chocolate and not blood. Then you also have the bloody mattress that within 3 hours they said it was dogs blood,by the way it is fact that Joran killed his own dog and blamed it on someone else..Guess what they found by the bloody mattress? And yes you have the VCB shirt that was suppposed to have DNA evidence on it. I can back everything up with news stories,quotes and interviews and newspaper articles.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:44 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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Don't get me wrong, but scaredmonkeys isn't the most reliable board/source if you ask me.
About the blood ; You mean the blood that was on the t-shirt from Geoffrey van C?
All these facts that you name, are totally new too me. I never heard from it.
I can prove everything I speak of,trust me please! If you want the truth you most definetly need to go back to June and July 2005 because everything since then has been dis information.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Don't forget but this threat was originally started in brave new world....quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:48 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
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I agree with QWEA, this sounds like a terrible conspiracy theory.
Can you really prove all the facts you told us?
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Do you have a reliable source? And then I'm not talking about scaredmonkeys or something. But something from the district attorney, Media on Aruba, Media in Holland,The prosecutor from Aruba, ect.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:51 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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No, I am talking about the blood in deepaks car that was announced by Prime Minister Oduber,Dept of Justice Rudy Croes,FBI and several police. It was in the headliner of the car,backseat and trunk. A few days later they said it was chocolate and not blood. Then you also have the bloody mattress that within 3 hours they said it was dogs blood,by the way it is fact that Joran killed his own dog and blamed it on someone else..Guess what they found by the bloody mattress? And yes you have the VCB shirt that was suppposed to have DNA evidence on it. I can back everything up with news stories,quotes and interviews and newspaper articles.
I can prove everything I speak of,trust me please! If you want the truth you most definetly need to go back to June and July 2005 because everything since then has been dis information.
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Utrechtquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:50 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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About Jorans black eye I know. However I suspect it wasn't from a barfight
Where does Guido wever live now?
http://wever2.hyves.nl/photos/19453304/0/8kQV/
Yes,I can back up everything I tell you..What did you think of Paul Van Der Sloots two contacts with Natalee and picking her and Joran up at 4am? That is what he told people and was caught on wire taps..It was clearly undertood by the superior court in Aruba. He was telling people that for weeks before he changed his story when he was arrested.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Why is that blood never researched?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:51 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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No, I am talking about the blood in deepaks car that was announced by Prime Minister Oduber,Dept of Justice Rudy Croes,FBI and several police. It was in the headliner of the car,backseat and trunk. A few days later they said it was chocolate and not blood. Then you also have the bloody mattress that within 3 hours they said it was dogs blood,by the way it is fact that Joran killed his own dog and blamed it on someone else..Guess what they found by the bloody mattress? And yes you have the VCB shirt that was suppposed to have DNA evidence on it. I can back everything up with news stories,quotes and interviews and newspaper articles.
I can prove everything I speak of,trust me please! If you want the truth you most definetly need to go back to June and July 2005 because everything since then has been dis information.
I mean, police wants to know everything when someone is missing?
Could this be a terrible mistake of the police and OM Aruba?
Could it be that important prove could meby destroyed in 2005 by Aruba thereself?
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Woonplaats: Den Haagquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:58 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Utrecht
http://wever2.hyves.nl/photos/19453304/0/8kQV/
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Yes,I can back up everything I tell you..What did you think of Paul Van Der Sloots two contacts with Natalee and picking her and Joran up at 4am? That is what he told people and was caught on wire taps..It was clearly undertood by the superior court in Aruba. He was telling people that for weeks before he changed his story when he was arrested.
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Yes of course I do..It was all over the newspapers and spoken on national TV. As a matter of fact Beth Holloway did not know about the blood until the Prime Minister announced it on Aruban TV. It is time consuming getting all the info..But there are tons of sources to back this up,I didn't follow much media in holland in 2005 but there are at least a dozen newspaper articles and TV interviews that talk about the blood in Deepaks vehicle. After they said it was Chocolate it all went away just like his confession on June 10th 2005 that was reported everywhere.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:56 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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Do you have a reliable source? And then I'm not talking about scaredmonkeys or something. But something from the district attorney, Media on Aruba, Media in Holland,The prosecutor from Aruba, ect.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Damn, I really have missed something I guessquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:02 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Yes of course I do..It was all over the newspapers and spoken on national TV. As a matter of fact Beth Holloway did not know about the blood until the Prime Minister announced it on Aruban TV. It is time consuming getting all the info..But there are tons of sources to back this up,I didn't follow much media in holland in 2005 but there are at least a dozen newspaper articles and TV interviews that talk about the blood in Deepaks vehicle. After they said it was Chocolate it all went away just like his confession on June 10th 2005 that was reported everywhere.
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Er zal toch nog wel wat van online te vinden zijn ? Ik zou wel graag wat bewijs zien van deze beweringen.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:06 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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Damn, I really have missed something I guess
Zoals je als zei : source ?
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
Indeed a strange story, even stranger that OM Aruba agreed with the fact that they told it
wasnt blood but chocolate, so it has been never researched...
wasnt blood but chocolate, so it has been never researched...
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Theres a lot more than stinks to high heaven besides the blood in deepaks car..I could fill this whole forum up with the most unbelievable acts you have seen. They took the blood samples and it was tested in holland I am quite sure it was sabotaged before it left on the plane. They have witnesses that said they saw Deepak and boys franticly cleaning that car at 3am the night Natalee went missing in the back of the house.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:58 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
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Why is that blood never researched?
I mean, police wants to know everything when someone is missing?
Could this be a terrible mistake of the police and OM Aruba?
Could it be that important prove could meby destroyed in 2005 by Aruba thereself?
Ok look at this..The boys were not arrested until june 9th,I can prove they framed two innocent black men who were arrested on june 5th. As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!! Just last month that same judge spoke in Aruban papers and said the commissioner dompig obstructed justice and the prosecuters office never asked to search anything more. The prosecuters office and dompig said they were denied..So who is lying here and why? Why wasnt the house searched when PVDS was arrested a week later for suspicion of kidnapping and murder? Since when do Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects get immunity from having there houses searched?
Did you know that Jan Van Der Straaten is best friends of Paul Van Der Sloot? Did you know that Dompig is related to the Kalpoes? I could go on and on..Its a cover up!!
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Show us please.quote:I can prove they framed two innocent black
I would like to believe you but I 've seen no prove untill now.
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What I could find ;quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:12 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
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Er zal toch nog wel wat van online te vinden zijn ? Ik zou wel graag wat bewijs zien van deze beweringen.
Zoals je als zei : source ?
Vermist meisje op Aruba #4
Search for "bloed"
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Dutch Newsper
Look at the dates and what is said here..They say all 3 had sex with Natalee then dropped her off..That was on June 4th 2005!!
Again this was published on June 7th 2005..Just weird is all
Look at the dates and what is said here..They say all 3 had sex with Natalee then dropped her off..That was on June 4th 2005!!
Again this was published on June 7th 2005..Just weird is all
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
So you're saying the arubian police/government is involved?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:14 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Theres a lot more than stinks to high heaven besides the blood in deepaks car..I could fill this whole forum up with the most unbelievable acts you have seen. They took the blood samples and it was tested in holland I am quite sure it was sabotaged before it left on the plane. They have witnesses that said they saw Deepak and boys franticly cleaning that car at 3am the night Natalee went missing in the back of the house.
And these eyewitnesses, are the heard by the police? Did they took a statement?That was indeed very strange. And I think that Paul van der Sloot/ Joran is/has been protected by some "higher force".quote:Ok look at this..The boys were not arrested until june 9th,I can prove they framed two innocent black men who were arrested on june 5th. As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!! Just last month that same judge spoke in Aruban papers and said the commissioner dompig obstructed justice and the prosecuters office never asked to search anything more. The prosecuters office and dompig said they were denied..So who is lying here and why? Why wasnt the house searched when PVDS was arrested a week later for suspicion of kidnapping and murder? Since when do Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects get immunity from having there houses searched?
Did you know that Jan Van Der Straaten is best friends of Paul Van Der Sloot? Did you know that Dompig is related to the Kalpoes? I could go on and on..Its a cover up!!
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Well, that there is a terrible cover up is something i totally agree with you, no doubt about it.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:14 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Theres a lot more than stinks to high heaven besides the blood in deepaks car..I could fill this whole forum up with the most unbelievable acts you have seen. They took the blood samples and it was tested in holland I am quite sure it was sabotaged before it left on the plane. They have witnesses that said they saw Deepak and boys franticly cleaning that car at 3am the night Natalee went missing in the back of the house.
Ok look at this..The boys were not arrested until june 9th,I can prove they framed two innocent black men who were arrested on june 5th. As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!! Just last month that same judge spoke in Aruban papers and said the commissioner dompig obstructed justice and the prosecuters office never asked to search anything more. The prosecuters office and dompig said they were denied..So who is lying here and why? Why wasnt the house searched when PVDS was arrested a week later for suspicion of kidnapping and murder? Since when do Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects get immunity from having there houses searched?
Did you know that Jan Van Der Straaten is best friends of Paul Van Der Sloot? Did you know that Dompig is related to the Kalpoes? I could go on and on..Its a cover up!!
Still i wonder, if your case and facts are true, why is Joran held so long in jail, i mean everyone
else isnt hold that long and btw, Joran is Pauls son.
In that case why did they held Joran that long in jail as a crime suspect?
Do you have any theory about that?
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It's just time consuming and I am moderating another blog but I will prove everything to you when I have time,I can easily prove all of this...On June 1st they confirmed JK2 were lying when they reviewed all of the security cameras at the hotel and that Natalee was never dropped ofthere.They still did not arrest jk2 until june 9th even though they knew it was all lies. They said they were watching them..lol..But the chief prosecuter said they would not rush in like cowboys and arrest them,instead she rushed in and arrested two innocent men that had nothing to do with anything on June 5th.. Deputy Chief Dompig's Brother in law(Boeti) said he saw them stealing items out of Natalee's room which led to there arrest. That was a total lie,they were never missing anything. There attorneys are on record stating it was from false information ,the arrests were illegal and they were never told why they were arrested. This same witness Butti(Boeti)Naar later that year said he saw Natalee with cocaine.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:21 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
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Show us please.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
It was all for show! And it most definetly a cover up..I still have only showed you a very small bit of everything..I do have a theory but I will tell when I have time..In Jorans book the Police Commissioner Jan Van Der Straaten tells Joran..I have known your father a very long time..All you have to do is tell the truth and I will make sure you never go to prison but instead to a mental hospital..Believe me this was all solved back the first week in June 2005.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:29 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
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Well, that there is a terrible cover up is something i totally agree with you, no doubt about it.
Still i wonder, if your case and facts are true, why is Joran held so long in jail, i mean everyone
else isnt hold that long and btw, Joran is Pauls son.
In that case why did they held Joran that long in jail as a crime suspect?
Do you have any theory about that?
They changed witness statements,destroyed others and intimidated people from coming forward..There has to be a bigger issue than just the rape and murder of one girl here. Did you know Paul Van Der Sloot told the headmaster at Jorans school just days after that Natalee hit her head and might have drowned? He told a similar story to friends in America that they were doing drugs,Natalee hit her head and died.
Paul Van Der Sloot is the key here,Many believe he is alot more involved than just helping covering up. Look at his history and who he worked for,he wrote contracts for the Govt,Was a lawyer for them and was a judge in training for three years. For whatever reasons Rudy Croes has been the man behind this cover up since day 1. But why was Pauls best friend allowed to lead this investigation for 5 weeks?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Yes for sure that is what I am saying and everyone else! Not sure what the witnesses have said because the Aruban Govt even after 3 years has released very little. You bet he is being protected!!! I know for sure they changed statements and never took statements from others. Look at what I posted by the Aruban Supreme Court..That is where many of our questions remain. PVDS had 2 contacts with Natalee that day and he picked them both up at 4am! Not my words but from his own mouth,witnesses and wire taps!!quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:28 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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So you're saying the arubian police/government is involved?
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That was indeed very strange. And I think that Paul van der Sloot/ Joran is/has been protected by some "higher force".
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
If this is true that PvdS is that powerfull and mighty.
Well, why is only Joran still the only crime suspect (as Paul is his father though?),
and why Joran spend therefore the most time already in prison as the leading and
only suspect if there are more people involved in Natalee her disseapering?
Well, why is only Joran still the only crime suspect (as Paul is his father though?),
and why Joran spend therefore the most time already in prison as the leading and
only suspect if there are more people involved in Natalee her disseapering?
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Okay, I'm not saying I believe in this big cover-up, but still, since there are no other facts proven yet, by Peter or anyone else, it's still an option.
Downside with a cover-up like this is that a lot more people are involved than in the story we heard from Peter. With a cover-up like you describe it would be risky as hell, the more people know, the bigger the risk that someone would come forward.
On the other hand if lot's of people in the Justice system are being corrupt they can't snitch on eachother without going down themselves.
Any idea how 'big' this cover-up would be? Just 4-5 people or like 20 people in different layers of the Justice system (like judges, cops etc)?
Downside with a cover-up like this is that a lot more people are involved than in the story we heard from Peter. With a cover-up like you describe it would be risky as hell, the more people know, the bigger the risk that someone would come forward.
On the other hand if lot's of people in the Justice system are being corrupt they can't snitch on eachother without going down themselves.
Any idea how 'big' this cover-up would be? Just 4-5 people or like 20 people in different layers of the Justice system (like judges, cops etc)?
And what about the theory that holloway was burned in a crematorium (is that the right english word? 
) . A friend of paul van der sloot had a crematorium on aruba...
) . A friend of paul van der sloot had a crematorium on aruba...
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zag zo even een stukje van een interview dat de (amerikaanse?) advocaat van Joran had met ABC, daarin meldde hij dat hij wist dat Joran 's nachts geen gebruik gemaakt had van de bewuste telefoon bij het zwembad (en dat daarvoor bewijs is)...
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4237805&affil=wncf
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http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4237805&affil=wncf
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Jorans black eye was till Johan 555 mentioned it, unknown by probably a lot of people. The black eye makes Jorans weird story about the sudden "death" of Nathalee very strange.quote:[As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!!
Because they haven't enough proof for the other "suspects" too suspect them?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:51 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
If this is true that PvdS is that powerfull and mighty.
Well, why is only Joran still the only crime suspect (as Paul is his father though?),
and why Joran spend therefore the most time already in prison as the leading and
only suspect if there are more people involved in Natalee her disseapering?
I don't know, I'm just saying something
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It was known by me. And I think it is very suspicious, at least.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:54 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
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Jorans black eye was till Johan 555 mentioned it, unknown by probably a lot of people. The black eye makes Jorans weird story about the sudden "death" of Nathalee very strange.
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I dont think PVDS is that high and mighty.,although he had some connections that payed off big early.There is a bigger picture here..Perhaps Money Laundering or he has major dirt on the Aruban Govt. Joran could be taking the fall for someone else,but I am quite sure others are involved like Guido Wever,Lorenzo,PVDS and Deepak. They have purposely kept everyone out of this except for just Joran to keep them away from exposure. See In Aruba Tourism comes first everything else second. DId you see who Guido's Lawyer was? Gerald Spong!quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:51 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
If this is true that PvdS is that powerfull and mighty.
Well, why is only Joran still the only crime suspect (as Paul is his father though?),
and why Joran spend therefore the most time already in prison as the leading and
only suspect if there are more people involved in Natalee her disseapering?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Eerst horen van iemand anders die ik wel geloofwaardig vindquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:54 schreef cptmarco het volgende:
zag zo even een stukje van een interview dat de (amerikaanse?) advocaat van Joran had met ABC, daarin meldde hij dat hij wist dat Joran 's nachts geen gebruik gemaakt had van de bewuste telefoon bij het zwembad (en dat daarvoor bewijs is)...
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4237805&affil=wncf
bij 02:55
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Hey welcome. That one site kept popping up when I did some searches the past couple of days. Thats a real dedicated group you've got there.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:39 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Sorry all,I should have written in english..I have many dutch friends and some write better than I do
Before this I have never really looked into the case, but what I've read so far something is very wrong in Denmark Aruba.Do you know if the house of the VDS's was cleaned or painted or something in the days after the disappearance? I think I've read it somewhere but I cant find any other sources. And there was a moving truck parked next to the house in that period?
Why the cover-up?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:14 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Theres a lot more than stinks to high heaven besides the blood in deepaks car..I could fill this whole forum up with the most unbelievable acts you have seen. They took the blood samples and it was tested in holland I am quite sure it was sabotaged before it left on the plane. They have witnesses that said they saw Deepak and boys franticly cleaning that car at 3am the night Natalee went missing in the back of the house.
Ok look at this..The boys were not arrested until june 9th,I can prove they framed two innocent black men who were arrested on june 5th. As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!! Just last month that same judge spoke in Aruban papers and said the commissioner dompig obstructed justice and the prosecuters office never asked to search anything more. The prosecuters office and dompig said they were denied..So who is lying here and why? Why wasnt the house searched when PVDS was arrested a week later for suspicion of kidnapping and murder? Since when do Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects get immunity from having there houses searched?
Did you know that Jan Van Der Straaten is best friends of Paul Van Der Sloot? Did you know that Dompig is related to the Kalpoes? I could go on and on..Its a cover up!!
Joran, not knowing he was being filmed, admitted to (in his eyes) his 'best friend', what happend to Natalee that night.
Even tough there still are some pieces of the puzzle missing, like the reason why natalee died so sudden. And the real reason why you would dispose of a dead person when this person dies in your arms.
There has to be some bad consciousness here, and it ain't all feeding the girl high alc. drinks.
But still the most appealing solution to where the body is, is in the ocean.
Joran said so himself. Already from the start he tells Patrick the outlines on hidden camera.
But then again he is also mixing some people and things up, like the name of the person who helped him and some older 25 year old.
Somehow the broadcast yesterday only brings more questioned instaid of answers.
- Maybe O.D.B My Long Distance Family -
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
Hello and yes thats the right word..This is very debateable about that being In Aruba in 2005 and Natalee being cremated. I have a source that says yes and it was operated by a yolanda wever who purchased it from matthews crematoriums. I am not so sure. I would hate to think this is so evil and complicated that they would do that to a young girl.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:53 schreef Qwea het volgende:
And what about the theory that holloway was burned in a crematorium (is that the right english word?
Many suspicious deaths,but I will tell you just two of them in this post. On June 18th 2005 a man named Rene Van Heyningen was found almost beheaded in Aruba. He is rumored to run the incinerater where he worked at the Valero Refinery and worked Part time at the hospital running theres. His death is extremely suspicious and I have a lot more to say about this at another time.
Rene Van Heyningen
12 Jan 1973- 18 jun 2005
Also on the same day a bank employee who met with PVDS the day after NH dissapears dies also
Ruth Gisela Dijkhoff-Holtmann
17 May 1955 - 18 Jun 2005
http://www.mementomori.net/05148.html
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Jacht op Joran in Drachten
Bron: ANP
DRACHTEN – Na de uitzending van het programma Peter R. de Vries Misdaadverslaggever zondagavond, stroomde de Markt in Drachten vol. Aanleiding was het gerucht dat Joran van der Sloot ondergedoken was in één van de appartementen. Elke taxi die het complex verliet werd gecontroleerd om te kijken of Van der Sloot er in zat. Het bleef rustig in Drachten en Joran is niet gesignaleerd.
http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article2023581.ece
Bron: ANP
DRACHTEN – Na de uitzending van het programma Peter R. de Vries Misdaadverslaggever zondagavond, stroomde de Markt in Drachten vol. Aanleiding was het gerucht dat Joran van der Sloot ondergedoken was in één van de appartementen. Elke taxi die het complex verliet werd gecontroleerd om te kijken of Van der Sloot er in zat. Het bleef rustig in Drachten en Joran is niet gesignaleerd.
http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article2023581.ece
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Saying 'ocean' isn't that surprising. If you asked the same question to any Fokker! before this was broadcasted or even mentioned by Peter on Thursday, people would have answered 'the ocean' also. For most of us it will be the most logical thing to think, this doesn't mean it is the right answer though.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:12 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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Why the cover-up?
Joran, not knowing he was being filmed, admitted to (in his eyes) his 'best friend', what happend to Natalee that night.
Even tough there still are some pieces of the puzzle missing, like the reason why natalee died so sudden. And the real reason why you would dispose of a dead person when this person dies in your arms.
There has to be some bad consciousness here, and it ain't all feeding the girl high alc. drinks.
But still the most appealing solution to where the body is, is in the ocean.
Joran said so himself. Already from the start he tells Patrick the outlines on hidden camera.
But then again he is also mixing some people and things up, like the name of the person who helped him and some older 25 year old.
Somehow the broadcast yesterday only brings more questioned instaid of answers.
Joran can say something like that without worrying about it, because it's not a 'strange' thing to say.
(btw, I kept it in English so observer can read all the stuff as well, don't know if he can read all our Dutch posts?)
I've read that too. *searches.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:12 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Hey welcome. That one site kept popping up when I did some searches the past couple of days. Thats a real dedicated group you've got there.
Do you know if the house of the VDS's was cleaned or painted or something in the days after the disappearance? I think I've read it somewhere but I cant find any other sources. And there was a moving truck parked next to the house in that period?
Moving truck picture.
There was another site with information about this. I can't find it anymore
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HI and thanksyou for the welcome! Yes very dedicated people at SM and have been for 32 months.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:12 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Hey welcome. That one site kept popping up when I did some searches the past couple of days. Thats a real dedicated group you've got there.
Do you know if the house of the VDS's was cleaned or painted or something in the days after the disappearance? I think I've read it somewhere but I cant find any other sources. And there was a moving truck parked next to the house in that period?
Yes I have the pics and it was posted in this thread..They called in a moving truck I think in July 2005..But just a short time after Natalee went missing,maybee a week or two they poured fresh concrete in that back area by the pool. A private eye interviewed the guy and he said he was very nervous about the whole thing. Why would you pour concrete if your son is suspected of murder?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Could be that the order was already out to pour that concrete. On the other hand, if my son was suspected of murder I might have postphoned that one because I would have my mind set on something else.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:23 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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HI and thanksyou for the welcome! Yes very dedicated people at SM and have been for 32 months.
Yes I have the pics and it was posted in this thread..They called in a moving truck I think in July 2005..But just a short time after Natalee went missing,maybee a week or two they poured fresh concrete in that back area by the pool. A private eye interviewed the guy and he said he was very nervous about the whole thing. Why would you pour concrete if your son is suspected of murder?
But it's not that weird, they wouldn't be at home while it was noisy and messy because of the workers, lot's of people will be away when some construction is going on at their home.
He can't. He translated it with a translator. Thats why his dutch posts or crappyquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:21 schreef xFriendx het volgende:
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Saying 'ocean' isn't that surprising. If you asked the same question to any Fokker! before this was broadcasted or even mentioned by Peter on Thursday, people would have answered 'the ocean' also. For most of us it will be the most logical thing to think, this doesn't mean it is the right answer though.
Joran can say something like that without worrying about it, because it's not a 'strange' thing to say.
(btw, I kept it in English so observer can read all the stuff as well, don't know if he can read all our Dutch posts?)
Sorry observor :$
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I agree totally..But remember he will never ever give up that person and he will take his name to the grave..I have studied this case for a long time and that one person he was talking about has to be lorenzo. Rumors today are saying it may be steve croes,which is possible but I doubt it. His father no question is up to his eyeballs in all of this.IMOquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:12 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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Why the cover-up?
Joran, not knowing he was being filmed, admitted to (in his eyes) his 'best friend', what happend to Natalee that night.
Even tough there still are some pieces of the puzzle missing, like the reason why natalee died so sudden. And the real reason why you would dispose of a dead person when this person dies in your arms.
There has to be some bad consciousness here, and it ain't all feeding the girl high alc. drinks.
But still the most appealing solution to where the body is, is in the ocean.
Joran said so himself. Already from the start he tells Patrick the outlines on hidden camera.
But then again he is also mixing some people and things up, like the name of the person who helped him and some older 25 year old.
Somehow the broadcast yesterday only brings more questioned instaid of answers.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Your right and I havent thought a lot about this. I forgot why the guy was so nervous,I think he was asked to dig the hole but not pour the concrete or something..We will never know what was on that property because all the evidence was gone long ago. But they are caught in a huge lie why they blocked the search of that house.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:27 schreef xFriendx het volgende:
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Could be that the order was already out to pour that concrete. On the other hand, if my son was suspected of murder I might have postphoned that one because I would have my mind set on something else.
But it's not that weird, they wouldn't be at home while it was noisy and messy because of the workers, lot's of people will be away when some construction is going on at their home.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
that is new information for me...quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:23 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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But just a short time after Natalee went missing,maybee a week or two they poured fresh concrete in that back area by the pool. A private eye interviewed the guy and he said he was very nervous about the whole thing. Why would you pour concrete if your son is suspected of murder?
We might be seeing ghosts, but it sure looks suspicious...
Maybe it is time someone start digging there...
Blocking a search would be weird. If nothing to hide it would be even better if they would search the place right after the missing and ended up empty handed. That would give a big plus when claiming you ain't guilty.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:32 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Your right and I havent thought a lot about this. I forgot why the guy was so nervous,I think he was asked to dig the hole but not pour the concrete or something..We will never know what was on that property because all the evidence was gone long ago. But they are caught in a huge lie why they blocked the search of that house.
Haha..Thanks!! I switched to the translator because I wanted to make sure everyone understood me but it backfired.I know a great deal about the Dutch and I love them as people,some americans are not very smart when it comes to other countries..Especially during this whole nightmare..Thats why I came here to share knowledge..The most important facts of this case have been long overlooked and covered up. I truly admire Peter De Vries though,He has done a ton more than any other reporter that has talked about this case.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:28 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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He can't. He translated it with a translator. Thats why his dutch posts or crappy
Sorry observor :$
One thing that was dumb was Joran going to Friesland(Drachten)to hide out..If I was him I would have gone into amsterdam or somewhere and not up north
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Nehh, you're not looking at the video's hard enough.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:21 schreef xFriendx het volgende:
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Saying 'ocean' isn't that surprising. If you asked the same question to any Fokker! before this was broadcasted or even mentioned by Peter on Thursday, people would have answered 'the ocean' also. For most of us it will be the most logical thing to think, this doesn't mean it is the right answer though.
Joran can say something like that without worrying about it, because it's not a 'strange' thing to say.
(btw, I kept it in English so observer can read all the stuff as well, don't know if he can read all our Dutch posts?)
Joran did not say this because he would know everyone would accept it. Hell, he did not even know the world was watching.
He might have been carefull telling the whole details, but he is already admitting he is responsible for her missing body. Why still lie and make it a completely different version of her body missing. There is no logic in that. Joran was happy he could spill his words to someone he trusts, since this has happend..
- Maybe O.D.B My Long Distance Family -
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
Joran didn't hide in Drachten. Thats what the dutch media said. It was fake.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:41 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Haha..Thanks!! I switched to the translator because I wanted to make sure everyone understood me but it backfired.I know a great deal about the Dutch and I love them as people,some americans are not very smart when it comes to other countries..Especially during this whole nightmare..Thats why I came here to share knowledge..The most important facts of this case have been long overlooked and covered up. I truly admire Peter De Vries though,He has done a ton more than any other reporter that has talked about this case.
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One thing that was dumb was Joran going to Friesland(Drachten)to hide out..If I was him I would have gone into amsterdam or somewhere and not up north
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deze opmerking kwam ik ergens tegen...
so true...quote:Amazing how there is always a friend around to help you with a dead body, but never for something normal...
observer777, I can recall you saying something about
I wonder what to believe from a source called scaredmonkeys.net (first thing I try to start the site a new screen tries to pop up)
I say your theories are a lot more complex than Peter R disposed.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 15:30 schreef observer777 het volgende:
hoewel haar dood was niet ingewikkeld het verhaal na dat is. Het is een cover-up.
I wonder what to believe from a source called scaredmonkeys.net (first thing I try to start the site a new screen tries to pop up)
Op dinsdag 17 april 2007 14:13 schreef Gia het volgende over haar kinderen:
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
Yes,I know..But I havent even given you a theory yet,,Just trying to provide facts. Yes SM has a lot of pop upsquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:46 schreef Goofup het volgende:
observer777, I can recall you saying something about
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I say your theories are a lot more complex than Peter R disposed.
I wonder what to believe from a source called scaredmonkeys.net (first thing I try to start the site a new screen tries to pop up)
I know Peter didn't say anything about a cover up and it is not suprising because it is huge. He exposed some of it on his first show. I guarentee he knows more about it though. It is never talked about in our media either because everyone is scared of being sued and the reporters are idiots...Joran has powerfull Mobster attorneys from NY that are on every show. The Kalpoes are suing Dr.Phil for 800 million dollars from a law firm based out of chicago. There has also been PI'S,A Forensic person and others that worked for the sloots as well. One has to wonder who is paying for all of this? Is it the Aruban Govt or someone else? Considering all the bad information and lies coming from Aruba I have to assume its the Govt. Just two weeks ago Minister Briesen and Croes brought these two psychics on national TV,Newspapers and Radio and everything they said was a lie. Trying to claim the dad impregnated Natalee,she was a drug addict and she ran away..So much of this is coming out of Aruban reporters that is just makes us all that much more angrier and persistent that the real truth comes out.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
LOL!! Thanks for the info! Is he still at Grandmas?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:45 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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Joran didn't hide in Drachten. Thats what the dutch media said. It was fake.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Nope. I don't think so. They have searched some house's where Joran lived. They also have searched grandma's house.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:59 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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LOL!! Thanks for the info! Is he still at Grandmas?
So I don't think he is at grandma's.
Does someone here knows where he is hiding?
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I think in Yoran's 'confession' he already suspected something about that socalled friend who tells us he never wanted to hear any facts before and now he was asking for names and lastnames when he was talking to Yoran.
I think that's the moment Yoran felt he had to lie, again.
I think that's the moment Yoran felt he had to lie, again.
Op dinsdag 17 april 2007 14:13 schreef Gia het volgende over haar kinderen:
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
jij wordt vast een goeie journalist, Mark
Op dinsdag 17 april 2007 14:13 schreef Gia het volgende over haar kinderen:
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
That's exactly what happened. He described who he was talking about enough though..I just wished they would have waited just a bit longer and got more info..I'M not so sure where they go from here,It will be hard to get the truth unless someone else speaks up.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:05 schreef Goofup het volgende:
I think in Yoran's 'confession' he already suspected something about that socalled friend who tells us he never wanted to hear any facts before and now he was asking for names and lastnames when he was talking to Yoran.
I think that's the moment Yoran felt he had to lie, again.
Whats strange was the press release from the Aruban Prime Minister saying how angry he was at Joran and was killing there country. You would think he would be happy that Joran was confessing,so they could convict and move on
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
But I don't get it. If there are indeed more people involved... why doesn't anybody speak up I mean, damn this case is a huge mediahype. Everybody wants to know what happend with natalee.
How can someone shut his mouth for so long I know I couldn't
I mean, damn this case is a huge mediahype. Everybody wants to know what happend with natalee. How can someone shut his mouth for so long
I know I couldn't
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But the press release was about the fact Joran claims he lied in the confession. I understand that the prime minister was angry. He never stopped lying. He confesses, and again he said "Hehehe I was lyingquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:16 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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That's exactly what happened. He described who he was talking about enough though..I just wished they would have waited just a bit longer and got more info..I'M not so sure where they go from here,It will be hard to get the truth unless someone else speaks up.
Whats strange was the press release from the Aruban Prime Minister saying how angry he was at Joran and was killing there country. You would think he would be happy that Joran was confessing,so they could convict and move on
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because they are (best)friends?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:21 schreef Qwea het volgende:
But I don't get it. If there are indeed more people involved... why doesn't anybody speak up
How can someone shut his mouth for so long
"The sailor does not pray for wind, he learns to sail."
People are scared. IMO I don't have positive proof and I dont want to post gruesome images here but others have died in Aruba under very suspicious circumstances. I posted 2 but then there is Pitbull who had his head bashed in,legs cut off and burned and others..They ruled it a suicide by OD..Then there is Brigette Katelaan a reporter for ATV-TeleAruba who was found hung and then her camera man a week later. In talking to this lady's family they are sure she would never kill herself. The Camera man and others who hung themselves appeared in Aruban papers with one hand in there pocket. I think it's a warning sign. I am not saying these are connected to Natalee but people have to live in Aruba and they have families. They do not want people talking about the case at all. It is to protect the precious tourism at all costs.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:21 schreef Qwea het volgende:
But I don't get it. If there are indeed more people involved... why doesn't anybody speak up
How can someone shut his mouth for so long
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Sue me, but if my best friend killed a person... I would give him upquote:
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hmm okay. But another question then ;quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:30 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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People are scared. IMO I don't have positive proof and I dont want to post gruesome images here but others have died in Aruba under very suspicious circumstances. I posted 2 but then there is Pitbull who had his head bashed in,legs cut off and burned and others..They ruled it a suicide by OD..Then there is Brigette Katelaan a reporter for ATV-TeleAruba who was found hung and then her camera man a week later. In talking to this lady's family they are sure she would never kill herself. The Camera man and others who hung themselves appeared in Aruban papers with one hand in there pocket. I think it's a warning sign. I am not saying these are connected to Natalee but people have to live in Aruba and they have families. They do not want people talking about the case at all. It is to protect the precious tourism at all costs.
earlier you said that there was proof that Joran killed his dog.
Can you show me?Cause that makes me very sad and angry.
Weird though that those people died
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He did not suspect that Patrick was doing an undercover operation I think. Because he had just told Patrick the helper's name was Daury (=probably a lie) Then Joran went on to tell Patrick about how his father had gotten him a cell phone inside of prison. If Joran had been really suspicious he wouldn't have told incriminating things about his father just a moment later.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:05 schreef Goofup het volgende:
I think in Yoran's 'confession' he already suspected something about that socalled friend who tells us he never wanted to hear any facts before and now he was asking for names and lastnames when he was talking to Yoran.
I think that's the moment Yoran felt he had to lie, again.
Nou als het een duidelijke leugen is helpt hem dat om te beweren dat de rest óók gelogen was. Hij kan er dus een dwaalspoor mee leggen.quote:If Joran had been really suspicious he wouldn't have told incriminating things about his father just a moment later.
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
you know what else seems weird to me about this 'confession'?
This 'friend' of Yoran presented himself to Peter R.
His reasons? On TV he tells his reasons are that girl. I think all he does this for is money.
Maybe Yoran paid him to 'confess' his 'truth'. Peter R. paid him to let Yoran 'confess' 'the truth' and so he gets double paid and both sides get their goal (at least one really gets it)..
This 'friend' of Yoran presented himself to Peter R.
His reasons? On TV he tells his reasons are that girl. I think all he does this for is money.
Maybe Yoran paid him to 'confess' his 'truth'. Peter R. paid him to let Yoran 'confess' 'the truth' and so he gets double paid and both sides get their goal (at least one really gets it)..
Op dinsdag 17 april 2007 14:13 schreef Gia het volgende over haar kinderen:
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
And it that case there is no doubt he is a psychofreak.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:38 schreef Qwea het volgende:
earlier you said that there was proof that Joran killed his dog.
Cause that makes me very sad and angry.
well it is not the first time peter R. tryed to solve something without getting payed why would he do tis for the money then?
Uit het volgende document blijkt dat Joran het niet zo nauw neemt en openstaat voor sex met meerdere mannen en 1 meisje genaamd Karen een prono actrice uit aruba
Karen Theresa Paulina – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.
PROCES-VERBAAL
We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.
On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:
Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.
His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.
Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.
I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.
"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.
To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).
To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.
I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.
About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.
To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.
To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.
To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.
This is my statement in accordance with the truth".
J.A.P. van der SLOOT
After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.
The reporting officers,
JACOBS CROES
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Karen Theresa Paulina – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.
PROCES-VERBAAL
We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.
On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:
Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.
His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.
Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.
I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.
"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.
To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).
To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.
I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.
About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.
To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.
To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.
To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.
This is my statement in accordance with the truth".
J.A.P. van der SLOOT
After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.
The reporting officers,
JACOBS CROES
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Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
True, maar ik denk dat je Joran teveel credit geeft in z'n sluwheid. Hij kan haast niet constant bezig zijn geweest met een weldoordachte leugen die mensen op een dwaalspoor moesten brengen. Dat spreekt ook niet uit zijn lichaamstaal. En ook nog stoer doen erbij tegenover Patrick. Nee..voor mij lijkt het gewoon als een in grote lijnen waar verhaal wat hij houdt, maar op bepaalde plekken waar hij niet teveel info over kwijt wil verdraait hij het wat of verzint hij dingetjes.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:42 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
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Nou als het een duidelijke leugen is helpt hem dat om te beweren dat de rest óók gelogen was. Hij kan er dus een dwaalspoor mee leggen.
He killed his own dog with a paintball gun and blamed it on someone else. Later he was forced to admit that he killed his own dog. It's a fact,but hard to prove as it's all blog stuff and I havent seen it in the media except for maybe Peter R reported it on his first show. It was in a Aruban paper but I didnt save the article.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:38 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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hmm okay. But another question then ;
earlier you said that there was proof that Joran killed his dog.
Cause that makes me very sad and angry.
Weird though that those people died
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Fuck, sick bastardquote:To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.
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He killed his own dog with a paintball gun and blamed it on someone else. Later he was forced to admit that he killed his own dog. It's a fact,but hard to prove as it's all blog stuff and I havent seen it in the media except for maybe Peter R reported it on his first show. It was in a Aruban paper but I didnt save the article.
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Natalee Holloway: Earlier Report Possibly More Troubling Now
An earlier report on Joran Van der Sloot could take on new significance with talk of pornographic images and possibly a video involving minors surfacing as regards the self-appointed "Pimps," a seemingly immature and possibly lost and dangerous group of Arubian young men. I must also credit fellow blogger Steve Huff for his earlier report - linked below and through my previous entry.
See here: Apparently, at the same time the 6'4" school athlete was said to be a proficient gambler frequenting the clubs and casinos in Aruba, he was also known to have had a romantic involvement with a 7th grade girl of thirteen until her parents learned of the relationship and made their daughter break it off back in March.
See here for extended report from Steve: I suppose what I'm saying here, and what I have said in other entries about this case is that one thing that is becoming clear is Joran Van Der Sloot wasn't the squeaky clean kid first portrayed to authorities. And if he was being a hands-off gentleman with the 7th grader, why would her parents force a break-up? It bothers me that I happened onto a report of his relationship with this girl of 13 or 14 after having heard the rumor propagated by Geraldo Rivera.
At Steve's suggestion, I did look into the matter and confirmed for myself that Joran Van der Sloot, the athletic, 6' 5" high school senior was involved, apparently to some degree, in a romantic encounter with a girl who, for all intents and purposes looks like a child.
Joran_blurred I've since discussed the involvement with Dr. Andrew Hodges, a licensed Psychiatrist, who did seem to note a troubling pattern in the prime suspect, Joran Van der Sloot. In conversations, it was suggested that he seemed to have a pattern of romantic involvement with mostly island-based, diminutive young woman, suggesting a tendency to need to dominate, or somehow control women in his life.
Such a pattern, suggested Hodges, could fit into a pattern linked with some criminals notable for rape as their crime of primary offense. Experts have long agreed that power and control, as opposed to sex, are predominate themes among rapists - leading to its classification as a crime of violence and not simply sex.
The image of the suspect and high school senior dating such a seemingly young girl, name withheld and identity obscured in picture above with Van der Sloot, always stood in stark contrast to that of Van der Sloot frequenting casinos and spending so much time drinking and gambling and meeting young adult female tourists.
One can only hope there aren't even more sinister revelations to come in this case.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
if you ask me if they put a little preasure on joran's dad he would talk
try to ask the cia if the would help i heard they are verry good in making people talk...
try to ask the cia if the would help i heard they are verry good in making people talk...
Agreed and I am sure the KLPD has some fine interrogators that would like to talk to him as well. The Arubans didn't want the FBI to help when they really could have used them,unfortunately they won't be asking the CIA for help eitherquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 22:41 schreef leeeetjuhh het volgende:
if you ask me if they put a little preasure on joran's dad he would talk
try to ask the cia if the would help i heard they are verry good in making people talk...
This is clearly Aruba's problem and they do not want the truth to come out or anyone outside of Aruba meddling in their business.[ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door observer777 op 04-02-2008 23:13:58 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
De 'zogenaamde' vriend, die door Joran gebeld was zei, volgens Joran: Ze is niet meer in leven.
Een jongen, een 'mattie' gebruikt, volgens mij, dat soort woorden niet. Die zullen eerder iets zeggen in de trant van: Volgens mij is ze dood. Of: Man die chick is dood.
Daarom denk ik dat de hulp van pa, of van de (als ie inderdaad bestaat) halfbroer kwam.
Lijkt me ook logisch, omdat de halfbroer zelf al een crimineel is, en weet dat je geen schijn van kans hebt als je naar de politie gaat.
En pa weet dat de politie het je heel lastig gaat maken, omdat het om een rijk, Amerikaans meisje gaat.
Dus, dat moet gefixt worden.
En Joran wordt weer beschermd, hoeft zich geen zorgen te maken en kan lekker gaan slapen.
Het lijkt me nu overigens verstandiger voor Joran om gewoon de waarheid te spreken en dan maar de bak in te draaien, omdat ik denk dat er mensen zijn die het niet kunnen verkroppen als hij hier mee weg komt. Hij zal niet meer een normaal leven kunnen leiden. Niet in Nederland, niet in Aruba en al helemaal niet in Amerika.
Een jongen, een 'mattie' gebruikt, volgens mij, dat soort woorden niet. Die zullen eerder iets zeggen in de trant van: Volgens mij is ze dood. Of: Man die chick is dood.
Daarom denk ik dat de hulp van pa, of van de (als ie inderdaad bestaat) halfbroer kwam.
Lijkt me ook logisch, omdat de halfbroer zelf al een crimineel is, en weet dat je geen schijn van kans hebt als je naar de politie gaat.
En pa weet dat de politie het je heel lastig gaat maken, omdat het om een rijk, Amerikaans meisje gaat.
Dus, dat moet gefixt worden.
En Joran wordt weer beschermd, hoeft zich geen zorgen te maken en kan lekker gaan slapen.
Het lijkt me nu overigens verstandiger voor Joran om gewoon de waarheid te spreken en dan maar de bak in te draaien, omdat ik denk dat er mensen zijn die het niet kunnen verkroppen als hij hier mee weg komt. Hij zal niet meer een normaal leven kunnen leiden. Niet in Nederland, niet in Aruba en al helemaal niet in Amerika.
Misschien nog wel in Panama, om maar een dwarsstraat te noemen?quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 00:41 schreef Gia het volgende:
Het lijkt me nu overigens verstandiger voor Joran om gewoon de waarheid te spreken en dan maar de bak in te draaien, omdat ik denk dat er mensen zijn die het niet kunnen verkroppen als hij hier mee weg komt. Hij zal niet meer een normaal leven kunnen leiden. Niet in Nederland, niet in Aruba en al helemaal niet in Amerika.
Zonder nog ooit over zijn schouder te hoeven kijken? Geloof je dat zelf?quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 00:47 schreef Polleeder het volgende:
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Misschien nog wel in Panama, om maar een dwarsstraat te noemen?
Durf het idd. niet met zekerheid te zeggen, maar de mens is doorgaans kort van geheugen. Vraag me af welke buitenstaander hem daadwerkelijk om wil brengen over een paar jaar bijv.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 00:49 schreef Gia het volgende:
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Zonder nog ooit over zijn schouder te hoeven kijken? Geloof je dat zelf?
Maar misschien heeft-ie het toch rustiger in Boven-Mongolie?
Well not if he knows what’s good for him. Frisians are not exactly known for their fondness of this particular brand of criminals. There was actually sort of a lynching mob on the streets in Drachten. If they really would have spotted him there.. Run Joran Run!quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:41 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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One thing that was dumb was Joran going to Friesland(Drachten)to hide out..If I was him I would have gone into amsterdam or somewhere and not up north
Just saw the ABC interview with Patrick. I still had some doubts about his motives (I mean this guy comes out of the blue, essentially offering Joran on a silver platter to De Vries), but I must say I'm really impressed with this man. Whatever personal motives its still pretty rare to have someone willing to do something like this. Hope I'm not being naive but he has convinced me. (and that’s pretty rare too
) Gives one back some faith in humanity.
Ik krijg steeds meer het gevoel dat de "bekentenissen" van Joran tegen Patrick met opzet zijn gedaan.
Wie kan beter dan Joran zelf zijn versie van het verhaal naar buiten brengen?
De versie die hij naar buiten brengt is volgens mij zo mild mogelijk en waar het minste straf op staat.
Er staat voor veel meer mensen meer op het spel maar ze laten het zo lijken dat Joran de mastermind is.
Joran spreekt over hogere machten die hem helpen en zijn vader hoort daar zeker bij volgens mij.
Wie kan beter dan Joran zelf zijn versie van het verhaal naar buiten brengen?
De versie die hij naar buiten brengt is volgens mij zo mild mogelijk en waar het minste straf op staat.
Er staat voor veel meer mensen meer op het spel maar ze laten het zo lijken dat Joran de mastermind is.
Joran spreekt over hogere machten die hem helpen en zijn vader hoort daar zeker bij volgens mij.
heb ik ook aan gedacht. dan is hij wel erg berekenend.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 07:37 schreef Nasp het volgende:
Ik krijg steeds meer het gevoel dat de "bekentenissen" van Joran tegen Patrick met opzet zijn gedaan.
Wie kan beter dan Joran zelf zijn versie van het verhaal naar buiten brengen?
De versie die hij naar buiten brengt is volgens mij zo mild mogelijk en waar het minste straf op staat.
Er staat voor veel meer mensen meer op het spel maar ze laten het zo lijken dat Joran de mastermind is.
Joran spreekt over hogere machten die hem helpen en zijn vader hoort daar zeker bij volgens mij.
maar waarom zegt hij dan dat hij niet zeker weet dat ze (spontaan) dood was gegaan. dat is dan niet slim.
nu kan hem nog ten laste worden gelegd dat hij een mogelijk levend persoon heeft gedumpt.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
The media hype would be as good a reason as any to keep your mouth shut if you were involved. It would have to be someone who knows, but was in no way involved. I'm not sure there is such a person...?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:21 schreef Qwea het volgende:
But I don't get it. If there are indeed more people involved... why doesn't anybody speak up
How can someone shut his mouth for so long
Dat was mijn gedachte ook inderdaad. In deze versie, ook al is ie zo krom als hout, heeft Joran haar niet verkracht of vermoord, het was een "ongeluk". De onlogica waarom hij geen ambulance belde of anders om hulp is gegaan blijft onbeantwoord, maar wellicht gedacht dat dit met een beetje spin wel aan het publiek te verkopen zou zijn.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 07:37 schreef Nasp het volgende:
Ik krijg steeds meer het gevoel dat de "bekentenissen" van Joran tegen Patrick met opzet zijn gedaan.
Wie kan beter dan Joran zelf zijn versie van het verhaal naar buiten brengen?
De versie die hij naar buiten brengt is volgens mij zo mild mogelijk en waar het minste straf op staat.
Dan zou Patrick in het complot moeten zitten imo en dus de vragen, wie is hij en waarom doet hij dit?
Maar noem mij naief maar op het moment geloof ik in die Patrick en geloof ik dat Joran er in is gestonken. Hij heeft nog lang niet de hele waarheid verteld maar kan nu nooit meer volhouden niks met de verdwijning cq. moord te maken te hebben. En waarom zou hij zich in die positie hebben willen plaatsen nu de zaak net van de baan was?
Daar heb je een punt. Maar misschien is de straf nog steeds niet heel hoog als hij daarop wordt berecht.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 07:44 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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heb ik ook aan gedacht. dan is hij wel erg berekenend.
maar waarom zegt hij dan dat hij niet zeker weet dat ze (spontaan) dood was gegaan. dat is dan niet slim.
nu kan hem nog ten laste worden gelegd dat hij een mogelijk levend persoon heeft gedumpt.
Het is sowieso raar dat hij dat lichaam zou dumpen omdat zij een aanval kreeg en dood ging. Als hij niets verkeerd met haar heeft gedaan is er ook geen reden om het lichaam weg te werken. Een ieder normaal mens zou om hulp gaan vragen of de politie bellen.
Ik geloof dat hele verhaal niet dat hij met Natalee naar het strand is gegaan. Hij noemt denk ik het strand omdat dat de moeilijkste plek is om te controleren of dat er iemand is geweest d.m.v. sporen zoeken.
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Dat was mijn gedachte ook inderdaad. In deze versie, ook al is ie zo krom als hout, heeft Joran haar niet verkracht of vermoord, het was een "ongeluk". De onlogica waarom hij geen ambulance belde of anders om hulp is gegaan blijft onbeantwoord, maar wellicht gedacht dat dit met een beetje spin wel aan het publiek te verkopen zou zijn.
Dan zou Patrick in het complot moeten zitten imo en dus de vragen, wie is hij en waarom doet hij dit?
Maar noem mij naief maar op het moment geloof ik in die Patrick en geloof ik dat Joran er in is gestonken. Hij heeft nog lang niet de hele waarheid verteld maar kan nu nooit meer volhouden niks met de verdwijning cq. moord te maken te hebben. En waarom zou hij zich in die positie hebben willen plaatsen nu de zaak net van de baan was?
Waarom Patrick het zou doen wie hij is kan ik geen antwoord op geven.
Misschien wisten Joran en vooral de mensen die hem helpen dat op een of andere manier de waarheid aan het licht zou komen. Als hij nu wordt berecht en een lichte straf krijgt hebben veel mensen het gevoel dat de zaak is afgerond en Joran komt ervan af als iemand die uit paniek handelde.
- Joran wil scoren met Nataleequote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 08:16 schreef Nasp het volgende:
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Het is sowieso raar dat hij dat lichaam zou dumpen omdat zij een aanval kreeg en dood ging. Als hij niets verkeerd met haar heeft gedaan is er ook geen reden om het lichaam weg te werken. Een ieder normaal mens zou om hulp gaan vragen of de politie bellen.
- Joren heeft zijn "love potion nr. 9" bij zich en doet dit in het drankje dat hij voor haar haalt (75% alcohol, was sowieso niet te zuipen, ze merkt de GHB niet).
- De drugs begint te werken en de jongens nemen een half bewusteloze Natalee mee. (volgens haar virendinnen was ze plots erg dronken)
- De broers zetten Joran en Natalee af bij het strand
- Natalee is out, Joran moet zich "behelpen" met een zo goed als bewusteloze Natalee
"Ik wilde dat ze mijn pik zoog" versus "Ook al vinden ze mijn sperma in haar"
- Joran stopt zijn penis in de mond van Natalee en bevredigd zichzelf
- Natalee's braakreflex wordt getriggerd en ze geeft over
- Natalee stikt in haar braaksel
- Joran raakt in paniek en belt "Daury"
- Daury = Paulus van der Sloot
- Paulus komt aan en constateert "Ze is overleden"
- Paulus stuurt Joran naar huis met instructies aan een alibi te beginnen
- Paulus heeft het lijk van Natalee laten verdwijnen
Denk persoonlijk dat dit het verhaal is.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door NorthernStar op 05-02-2008 08:36:01 ]
Why is everthing a conspiracy, with you guys?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:57 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Yes,I know..But I havent even given you a theory yet,,Just trying to provide facts. Yes SM has a lot of pop ups
I know Peter didn't say anything about a cover up and it is not suprising because it is huge. He exposed some of it on his first show. I guarentee he knows more about it though. It is never talked about in our media either because everyone is scared of being sued and the reporters are idiots...Joran has powerfull Mobster attorneys from NY that are on every show. The Kalpoes are suing Dr.Phil for 800 million dollars from a law firm based out of chicago. There has also been PI'S,A Forensic person and others that worked for the sloots as well. One has to wonder who is paying for all of this? Is it the Aruban Govt or someone else? Considering all the bad information and lies coming from Aruba I have to assume its the Govt. Just two weeks ago Minister Briesen and Croes brought these two psychics on national TV,Newspapers and Radio and everything they said was a lie. Trying to claim the dad impregnated Natalee,she was a drug addict and she ran away..So much of this is coming out of Aruban reporters that is just makes us all that much more angrier and persistent that the real truth comes out.
.It pretty much started with the assisination of JFK hey? I followed that case throughout the years, and you know something, eventually it turns out that the Warren commission was right all the time; Oswald is the most probable culprit. To me at least. In that light it's no big surprise that our own crimefighter Peter R de Vries himself came, only one year or so ago, with his own version of who did it, in this case. De Vries also is caught by this conspiracy virus, I'm afraid. Claimed to have solved the case; just like he claimed to have solved the case of Natalee Holloway. And that's a laugh.
The consiracy virus is, I believe, a typically American virus. After 9/11 and Alex Jones' loose ends 2nd edition lark this particular state of mind is growing popular in Europe and indeed in Holland as well. Perhaps also because of the new medium of the internet offcourse, every lunatic has his or her (don't rubb out the Maddie conspriracy) say nowadays; and the more insane people are, the more noise they make.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Ryan3 op 05-02-2008 08:47:12 ]
I´m back.
Persoonlijk denk ik dat Paulus van der Sloot er al bij was bij de seksuele handelingen met Natalee.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 08:29 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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- Joran wil scoren met Natalee
- Joren heeft zijn "love potion nr. 9" bij zich en doet dit in het drankje dat hij voor haar haalt (75% proof, was sowieso niet te zuipen, ze merkt de GHB niet).
- De drugs begint te werken en de jongens nemen een half bewustelose Natalee mee. (volgens haar virendinnen was ze plots erg dronken)
- De broers zetten Joran en Natelee af bij het strand
- Natalee is out, Joran moet zich "behelpen" met een zo goed als bewusteloze Natalee
"Ik wilde dat ze mijn pik zoog" versus "Ook al vinden ze mijn sperma in haar"
- Joran stopt zijn penis in de mond van Natalee en bevredigd zichzelf
- Natalee's braakreflex wordt getriggerd en ze geeft over
- Natalee stikt in haar braaksel
- Joran raakt in paniek en belt "Daury"
- Daury = Paulus van der Sloot
- Paulus komt aan en constateerd "Ze is overleden"
- Paulus stuurt Joran naar huis met instructies aan een alibi te beginnen
- Paulus heeft Natalee laten verdwijnen
Denk persoonlijk dat dit het verhaal is.
En niet op het strand maar misschien in het huis van v/d Sloot of bij iemand anders.
Heb het idee dat Joran als "bait" werd gebruikt om met meisjes in contact te komen in het casino.
Op een screenshot van de bewakingscamera in het casino die hier was gepost is ook te zien dat P v/d Sloot contact heeft met Natalee.
Ik vraag me af waarom de beelden van het verlaten van het casino niet naar buiten worden gebracht.
Dan is te zien of P v/d Sloot eerder wegging of met Joran tegelijk.
In het verhaal van P v/d Sloot zegt hij dat hij eerder weg was gegaan en Joran achterbleef met Natalee en aanhang.
Maarja dit is maar speculatie.
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Oh, please man, perhaps you should tell obeserver something about your believe in the zionist conspriracy...quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 08:37 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
@observer: please ignore Ryan3
I´m back.
