Natalee Holloway (in the rebound)

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:23 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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But just a short time after Natalee went missing,maybee a week or two they poured fresh concrete in that back area by the pool. A private eye interviewed the guy and he said he was very nervous about the whole thing. Why would you pour concrete if your son is suspected of murder?

that is new information for me...
We might be seeing ghosts, but it sure looks suspicious...

Maybe it is time someone start digging there...

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:32 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Your right and I havent thought a lot about this. I forgot why the guy was so nervous,I think he was asked to dig the hole but not pour the concrete or something..We will never know what was on that property because all the evidence was gone long ago. But they are caught in a huge lie why they blocked the search of that house.

Blocking a search would be weird. If nothing to hide it would be even better if they would search the place right after the missing and ended up empty handed. That would give a big plus when claiming you ain't guilty.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:28 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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He can't. He translated it with a translator. Thats why his dutch posts or crappy

Sorry observor :$

Haha..Thanks!! I switched to the translator because I wanted to make sure everyone understood me but it backfired.I know a great deal about the Dutch and I love them as people,some americans are not very smart when it comes to other countries..Especially during this whole nightmare..Thats why I came here to share knowledge..The most important facts of this case have been long overlooked and covered up. I truly admire Peter De Vries though,He has done a ton more than any other reporter that has talked about this case.


One thing that was dumb was Joran going to Friesland(Drachten)to hide out..If I was him I would have gone into amsterdam or somewhere and not up north

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:21 schreef xFriendx het volgende:

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Saying 'ocean' isn't that surprising. If you asked the same question to any Fokker! before this was broadcasted or even mentioned by Peter on Thursday, people would have answered 'the ocean' also. For most of us it will be the most logical thing to think, this doesn't mean it is the right answer though.

Joran can say something like that without worrying about it, because it's not a 'strange' thing to say.

(btw, I kept it in English so observer can read all the stuff as well, don't know if he can read all our Dutch posts?)

Nehh, you're not looking at the video's hard enough.
Joran did not say this because he would know everyone would accept it. Hell, he did not even know the world was watching.
He might have been carefull telling the whole details, but he is already admitting he is responsible for her missing body. Why still lie and make it a completely different version of her body missing. There is no logic in that. Joran was happy he could spill his words to someone he trusts, since this has happend..

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:41 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Haha..Thanks!! I switched to the translator because I wanted to make sure everyone understood me but it backfired.I know a great deal about the Dutch and I love them as people,some americans are not very smart when it comes to other countries..Especially during this whole nightmare..Thats why I came here to share knowledge..The most important facts of this case have been long overlooked and covered up. I truly admire Peter De Vries though,He has done a ton more than any other reporter that has talked about this case.
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One thing that was dumb was Joran going to Friesland(Drachten)to hide out..If I was him I would have gone into amsterdam or somewhere and not up north

Joran didn't hide in Drachten. Thats what the dutch media said. It was fake.

deze opmerking kwam ik ergens tegen...

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Amazing how there is always a friend around to help you with a dead body, but never for something normal...

so true...

observer777, I can recall you saying something about

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 15:30 schreef observer777 het volgende:
hoewel haar dood was niet ingewikkeld het verhaal na dat is. Het is een cover-up.

I say your theories are a lot more complex than Peter R disposed.
I wonder what to believe from a source called scaredmonkeys.net (first thing I try to start the site a new screen tries to pop up)

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:46 schreef Goofup het volgende:
observer777, I can recall you saying something about
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I say your theories are a lot more complex than Peter R disposed.
I wonder what to believe from a source called scaredmonkeys.net (first thing I try to start the site a new screen tries to pop up)

Yes,I know..But I havent even given you a theory yet,,Just trying to provide facts. Yes SM has a lot of pop ups

I know Peter didn't say anything about a cover up and it is not suprising because it is huge. He exposed some of it on his first show. I guarentee he knows more about it though. It is never talked about in our media either because everyone is scared of being sued and the reporters are idiots...Joran has powerfull Mobster attorneys from NY that are on every show. The Kalpoes are suing Dr.Phil for 800 million dollars from a law firm based out of chicago. There has also been PI'S,A Forensic person and others that worked for the sloots as well. One has to wonder who is paying for all of this? Is it the Aruban Govt or someone else? Considering all the bad information and lies coming from Aruba I have to assume its the Govt. Just two weeks ago Minister Briesen and Croes brought these two psychics on national TV,Newspapers and Radio and everything they said was a lie. Trying to claim the dad impregnated Natalee,she was a drug addict and she ran away..So much of this is coming out of Aruban reporters that is just makes us all that much more angrier and persistent that the real truth comes out.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:45 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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Joran didn't hide in Drachten. Thats what the dutch media said. It was fake.

LOL!! Thanks for the info! Is he still at Grandmas?

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:59 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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LOL!! Thanks for the info! Is he still at Grandmas?

Nope. I don't think so. They have searched some house's where Joran lived. They also have searched grandma's house.

So I don't think he is at grandma's.

Does someone here knows where he is hiding?

I think in Yoran's 'confession' he already suspected something about that socalled friend who tells us he never wanted to hear any facts before and now he was asking for names and lastnames when he was talking to Yoran.
I think that's the moment Yoran felt he had to lie, again.

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jij wordt vast een goeie journalist, Mark

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:05 schreef Goofup het volgende:
I think in Yoran's 'confession' he already suspected something about that socalled friend who tells us he never wanted to hear any facts before and now he was asking for names and lastnames when he was talking to Yoran.
I think that's the moment Yoran felt he had to lie, again.

That's exactly what happened. He described who he was talking about enough though..I just wished they would have waited just a bit longer and got more info..I'M not so sure where they go from here,It will be hard to get the truth unless someone else speaks up.

Whats strange was the press release from the Aruban Prime Minister saying how angry he was at Joran and was killing there country. You would think he would be happy that Joran was confessing,so they could convict and move on

But I don't get it. If there are indeed more people involved... why doesn't anybody speak up I mean, damn this case is a huge mediahype. Everybody wants to know what happend with natalee.

How can someone shut his mouth for so long I know I couldn't

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:16 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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That's exactly what happened. He described who he was talking about enough though..I just wished they would have waited just a bit longer and got more info..I'M not so sure where they go from here,It will be hard to get the truth unless someone else speaks up.

Whats strange was the press release from the Aruban Prime Minister saying how angry he was at Joran and was killing there country. You would think he would be happy that Joran was confessing,so they could convict and move on

But the press release was about the fact Joran claims he lied in the confession. I understand that the prime minister was angry. He never stopped lying. He confesses, and again he said "Hehehe I was lying "

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:21 schreef Qwea het volgende:
But I don't get it. If there are indeed more people involved... why doesn't anybody speak up I mean, damn this case is a huge mediahype. Everybody wants to know what happend with natalee.

How can someone shut his mouth for so long I know I couldn't

because they are (best)friends?

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:21 schreef Qwea het volgende:
But I don't get it. If there are indeed more people involved... why doesn't anybody speak up I mean, damn this case is a huge mediahype. Everybody wants to know what happend with natalee.

How can someone shut his mouth for so long I know I couldn't

People are scared. IMO I don't have positive proof and I dont want to post gruesome images here but others have died in Aruba under very suspicious circumstances. I posted 2 but then there is Pitbull who had his head bashed in,legs cut off and burned and others..They ruled it a suicide by OD..Then there is Brigette Katelaan a reporter for ATV-TeleAruba who was found hung and then her camera man a week later. In talking to this lady's family they are sure she would never kill herself. The Camera man and others who hung themselves appeared in Aruban papers with one hand in there pocket. I think it's a warning sign. I am not saying these are connected to Natalee but people have to live in Aruba and they have families. They do not want people talking about the case at all. It is to protect the precious tourism at all costs.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:27 schreef roburt het volgende:

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because they are (best)friends?

Sue me, but if my best friend killed a person... I would give him up

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:30 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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People are scared. IMO I don't have positive proof and I dont want to post gruesome images here but others have died in Aruba under very suspicious circumstances. I posted 2 but then there is Pitbull who had his head bashed in,legs cut off and burned and others..They ruled it a suicide by OD..Then there is Brigette Katelaan a reporter for ATV-TeleAruba who was found hung and then her camera man a week later. In talking to this lady's family they are sure she would never kill herself. The Camera man and others who hung themselves appeared in Aruban papers with one hand in there pocket. I think it's a warning sign. I am not saying these are connected to Natalee but people have to live in Aruba and they have families. They do not want people talking about the case at all. It is to protect the precious tourism at all costs.

hmm okay. But another question then ;

earlier you said that there was proof that Joran killed his dog. Can you show me?

Cause that makes me very sad and angry.

Weird though that those people died

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:05 schreef Goofup het volgende:
I think in Yoran's 'confession' he already suspected something about that socalled friend who tells us he never wanted to hear any facts before and now he was asking for names and lastnames when he was talking to Yoran.
I think that's the moment Yoran felt he had to lie, again.

He did not suspect that Patrick was doing an undercover operation I think. Because he had just told Patrick the helper's name was Daury (=probably a lie) Then Joran went on to tell Patrick about how his father had gotten him a cell phone inside of prison. If Joran had been really suspicious he wouldn't have told incriminating things about his father just a moment later.

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If Joran had been really suspicious he wouldn't have told incriminating things about his father just a moment later.

Nou als het een duidelijke leugen is helpt hem dat om te beweren dat de rest óók gelogen was. Hij kan er dus een dwaalspoor mee leggen.

you know what else seems weird to me about this 'confession'?

This 'friend' of Yoran presented himself to Peter R.
His reasons? On TV he tells his reasons are that girl. I think all he does this for is money.
Maybe Yoran paid him to 'confess' his 'truth'. Peter R. paid him to let Yoran 'confess' 'the truth' and so he gets double paid and both sides get their goal (at least one really gets it)..

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:38 schreef Qwea het volgende:


earlier you said that there was proof that Joran killed his dog. Can you show me?

Cause that makes me very sad and angry.

And it that case there is no doubt he is a psychofreak.

well it is not the first time peter R. tryed to solve something without getting payed why would he do tis for the money then?