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It's just time consuming and I am moderating another blog but I will prove everything to you when I have time,I can easily prove all of this...On June 1st they confirmed JK2 were lying when they reviewed all of the security cameras at the hotel and that Natalee was never dropped ofthere.They still did not arrest jk2 until june 9th even though they knew it was all lies. They said they were watching them..lol..But the chief prosecuter said they would not rush in like cowboys and arrest them,instead she rushed in and arrested two innocent men that had nothing to do with anything on June 5th.. Deputy Chief Dompig's Brother in law(Boeti) said he saw them stealing items out of Natalee's room which led to there arrest. That was a total lie,they were never missing anything. There attorneys are on record stating it was from false information ,the arrests were illegal and they were never told why they were arrested. This same witness Butti(Boeti)Naar later that year said he saw Natalee with cocaine.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:21 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
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Show us please.I would like to believe you but I 've seen no prove untill now.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
It was all for show! And it most definetly a cover up..I still have only showed you a very small bit of everything..I do have a theory but I will tell when I have time..In Jorans book the Police Commissioner Jan Van Der Straaten tells Joran..I have known your father a very long time..All you have to do is tell the truth and I will make sure you never go to prison but instead to a mental hospital..Believe me this was all solved back the first week in June 2005.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:29 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
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Well, that there is a terrible cover up is something i totally agree with you, no doubt about it.
Still i wonder, if your case and facts are true, why is Joran held so long in jail, i mean everyone
else isnt hold that long and btw, Joran is Pauls son.
In that case why did they held Joran that long in jail as a crime suspect?
Do you have any theory about that?
They changed witness statements,destroyed others and intimidated people from coming forward..There has to be a bigger issue than just the rape and murder of one girl here. Did you know Paul Van Der Sloot told the headmaster at Jorans school just days after that Natalee hit her head and might have drowned? He told a similar story to friends in America that they were doing drugs,Natalee hit her head and died.
Paul Van Der Sloot is the key here,Many believe he is alot more involved than just helping covering up. Look at his history and who he worked for,he wrote contracts for the Govt,Was a lawyer for them and was a judge in training for three years. For whatever reasons Rudy Croes has been the man behind this cover up since day 1. But why was Pauls best friend allowed to lead this investigation for 5 weeks?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Yes for sure that is what I am saying and everyone else! Not sure what the witnesses have said because the Aruban Govt even after 3 years has released very little. You bet he is being protected!!! I know for sure they changed statements and never took statements from others. Look at what I posted by the Aruban Supreme Court..That is where many of our questions remain. PVDS had 2 contacts with Natalee that day and he picked them both up at 4am! Not my words but from his own mouth,witnesses and wire taps!!quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:28 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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So you're saying the arubian police/government is involved?And these eyewitnesses, are the heard by the police? Did they took a statement?
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That was indeed very strange. And I think that Paul van der Sloot/ Joran is/has been protected by some "higher force".
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
If this is true that PvdS is that powerfull and mighty.
Well, why is only Joran still the only crime suspect (as Paul is his father though?),
and why Joran spend therefore the most time already in prison as the leading and
only suspect if there are more people involved in Natalee her disseapering?
Well, why is only Joran still the only crime suspect (as Paul is his father though?),
and why Joran spend therefore the most time already in prison as the leading and
only suspect if there are more people involved in Natalee her disseapering?
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Okay, I'm not saying I believe in this big cover-up, but still, since there are no other facts proven yet, by Peter or anyone else, it's still an option.
Downside with a cover-up like this is that a lot more people are involved than in the story we heard from Peter. With a cover-up like you describe it would be risky as hell, the more people know, the bigger the risk that someone would come forward.
On the other hand if lot's of people in the Justice system are being corrupt they can't snitch on eachother without going down themselves.
Any idea how 'big' this cover-up would be? Just 4-5 people or like 20 people in different layers of the Justice system (like judges, cops etc)?
Downside with a cover-up like this is that a lot more people are involved than in the story we heard from Peter. With a cover-up like you describe it would be risky as hell, the more people know, the bigger the risk that someone would come forward.
On the other hand if lot's of people in the Justice system are being corrupt they can't snitch on eachother without going down themselves.
Any idea how 'big' this cover-up would be? Just 4-5 people or like 20 people in different layers of the Justice system (like judges, cops etc)?
And what about the theory that holloway was burned in a crematorium (is that the right english word? 
) . A friend of paul van der sloot had a crematorium on aruba...
) . A friend of paul van der sloot had a crematorium on aruba...
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zag zo even een stukje van een interview dat de (amerikaanse?) advocaat van Joran had met ABC, daarin meldde hij dat hij wist dat Joran 's nachts geen gebruik gemaakt had van de bewuste telefoon bij het zwembad (en dat daarvoor bewijs is)...
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4237805&affil=wncf
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http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4237805&affil=wncf
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Jorans black eye was till Johan 555 mentioned it, unknown by probably a lot of people. The black eye makes Jorans weird story about the sudden "death" of Nathalee very strange.quote:[As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!!
Because they haven't enough proof for the other "suspects" too suspect them?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:51 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
If this is true that PvdS is that powerfull and mighty.
Well, why is only Joran still the only crime suspect (as Paul is his father though?),
and why Joran spend therefore the most time already in prison as the leading and
only suspect if there are more people involved in Natalee her disseapering?
I don't know, I'm just saying something
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It was known by me. And I think it is very suspicious, at least.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:54 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
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Jorans black eye was till Johan 555 mentioned it, unknown by probably a lot of people. The black eye makes Jorans weird story about the sudden "death" of Nathalee very strange.
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I dont think PVDS is that high and mighty.,although he had some connections that payed off big early.There is a bigger picture here..Perhaps Money Laundering or he has major dirt on the Aruban Govt. Joran could be taking the fall for someone else,but I am quite sure others are involved like Guido Wever,Lorenzo,PVDS and Deepak. They have purposely kept everyone out of this except for just Joran to keep them away from exposure. See In Aruba Tourism comes first everything else second. DId you see who Guido's Lawyer was? Gerald Spong!quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:51 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
If this is true that PvdS is that powerfull and mighty.
Well, why is only Joran still the only crime suspect (as Paul is his father though?),
and why Joran spend therefore the most time already in prison as the leading and
only suspect if there are more people involved in Natalee her disseapering?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Eerst horen van iemand anders die ik wel geloofwaardig vindquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:54 schreef cptmarco het volgende:
zag zo even een stukje van een interview dat de (amerikaanse?) advocaat van Joran had met ABC, daarin meldde hij dat hij wist dat Joran 's nachts geen gebruik gemaakt had van de bewuste telefoon bij het zwembad (en dat daarvoor bewijs is)...
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4237805&affil=wncf
bij 02:55
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Hey welcome. That one site kept popping up when I did some searches the past couple of days. Thats a real dedicated group you've got there.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:39 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Sorry all,I should have written in english..I have many dutch friends and some write better than I do
Before this I have never really looked into the case, but what I've read so far something is very wrong in Denmark Aruba.Do you know if the house of the VDS's was cleaned or painted or something in the days after the disappearance? I think I've read it somewhere but I cant find any other sources. And there was a moving truck parked next to the house in that period?
Why the cover-up?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:14 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Theres a lot more than stinks to high heaven besides the blood in deepaks car..I could fill this whole forum up with the most unbelievable acts you have seen. They took the blood samples and it was tested in holland I am quite sure it was sabotaged before it left on the plane. They have witnesses that said they saw Deepak and boys franticly cleaning that car at 3am the night Natalee went missing in the back of the house.
Ok look at this..The boys were not arrested until june 9th,I can prove they framed two innocent black men who were arrested on june 5th. As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!! Just last month that same judge spoke in Aruban papers and said the commissioner dompig obstructed justice and the prosecuters office never asked to search anything more. The prosecuters office and dompig said they were denied..So who is lying here and why? Why wasnt the house searched when PVDS was arrested a week later for suspicion of kidnapping and murder? Since when do Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects get immunity from having there houses searched?
Did you know that Jan Van Der Straaten is best friends of Paul Van Der Sloot? Did you know that Dompig is related to the Kalpoes? I could go on and on..Its a cover up!!
Joran, not knowing he was being filmed, admitted to (in his eyes) his 'best friend', what happend to Natalee that night.
Even tough there still are some pieces of the puzzle missing, like the reason why natalee died so sudden. And the real reason why you would dispose of a dead person when this person dies in your arms.
There has to be some bad consciousness here, and it ain't all feeding the girl high alc. drinks.
But still the most appealing solution to where the body is, is in the ocean.
Joran said so himself. Already from the start he tells Patrick the outlines on hidden camera.
But then again he is also mixing some people and things up, like the name of the person who helped him and some older 25 year old.
Somehow the broadcast yesterday only brings more questioned instaid of answers.
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"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
Hello and yes thats the right word..This is very debateable about that being In Aruba in 2005 and Natalee being cremated. I have a source that says yes and it was operated by a yolanda wever who purchased it from matthews crematoriums. I am not so sure. I would hate to think this is so evil and complicated that they would do that to a young girl.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:53 schreef Qwea het volgende:
And what about the theory that holloway was burned in a crematorium (is that the right english word?
Many suspicious deaths,but I will tell you just two of them in this post. On June 18th 2005 a man named Rene Van Heyningen was found almost beheaded in Aruba. He is rumored to run the incinerater where he worked at the Valero Refinery and worked Part time at the hospital running theres. His death is extremely suspicious and I have a lot more to say about this at another time.
Rene Van Heyningen
12 Jan 1973- 18 jun 2005
Also on the same day a bank employee who met with PVDS the day after NH dissapears dies also
Ruth Gisela Dijkhoff-Holtmann
17 May 1955 - 18 Jun 2005
http://www.mementomori.net/05148.html
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Jacht op Joran in Drachten
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DRACHTEN – Na de uitzending van het programma Peter R. de Vries Misdaadverslaggever zondagavond, stroomde de Markt in Drachten vol. Aanleiding was het gerucht dat Joran van der Sloot ondergedoken was in één van de appartementen. Elke taxi die het complex verliet werd gecontroleerd om te kijken of Van der Sloot er in zat. Het bleef rustig in Drachten en Joran is niet gesignaleerd.
http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article2023581.ece
Bron: ANP
DRACHTEN – Na de uitzending van het programma Peter R. de Vries Misdaadverslaggever zondagavond, stroomde de Markt in Drachten vol. Aanleiding was het gerucht dat Joran van der Sloot ondergedoken was in één van de appartementen. Elke taxi die het complex verliet werd gecontroleerd om te kijken of Van der Sloot er in zat. Het bleef rustig in Drachten en Joran is niet gesignaleerd.
http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article2023581.ece
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Saying 'ocean' isn't that surprising. If you asked the same question to any Fokker! before this was broadcasted or even mentioned by Peter on Thursday, people would have answered 'the ocean' also. For most of us it will be the most logical thing to think, this doesn't mean it is the right answer though.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:12 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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Why the cover-up?
Joran, not knowing he was being filmed, admitted to (in his eyes) his 'best friend', what happend to Natalee that night.
Even tough there still are some pieces of the puzzle missing, like the reason why natalee died so sudden. And the real reason why you would dispose of a dead person when this person dies in your arms.
There has to be some bad consciousness here, and it ain't all feeding the girl high alc. drinks.
But still the most appealing solution to where the body is, is in the ocean.
Joran said so himself. Already from the start he tells Patrick the outlines on hidden camera.
But then again he is also mixing some people and things up, like the name of the person who helped him and some older 25 year old.
Somehow the broadcast yesterday only brings more questioned instaid of answers.
Joran can say something like that without worrying about it, because it's not a 'strange' thing to say.
(btw, I kept it in English so observer can read all the stuff as well, don't know if he can read all our Dutch posts?)
I've read that too. *searches.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:12 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Hey welcome. That one site kept popping up when I did some searches the past couple of days. Thats a real dedicated group you've got there.
Do you know if the house of the VDS's was cleaned or painted or something in the days after the disappearance? I think I've read it somewhere but I cant find any other sources. And there was a moving truck parked next to the house in that period?
Moving truck picture.
There was another site with information about this. I can't find it anymore
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HI and thanksyou for the welcome! Yes very dedicated people at SM and have been for 32 months.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:12 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Hey welcome. That one site kept popping up when I did some searches the past couple of days. Thats a real dedicated group you've got there.
Do you know if the house of the VDS's was cleaned or painted or something in the days after the disappearance? I think I've read it somewhere but I cant find any other sources. And there was a moving truck parked next to the house in that period?
Yes I have the pics and it was posted in this thread..They called in a moving truck I think in July 2005..But just a short time after Natalee went missing,maybee a week or two they poured fresh concrete in that back area by the pool. A private eye interviewed the guy and he said he was very nervous about the whole thing. Why would you pour concrete if your son is suspected of murder?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Could be that the order was already out to pour that concrete. On the other hand, if my son was suspected of murder I might have postphoned that one because I would have my mind set on something else.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:23 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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HI and thanksyou for the welcome! Yes very dedicated people at SM and have been for 32 months.
Yes I have the pics and it was posted in this thread..They called in a moving truck I think in July 2005..But just a short time after Natalee went missing,maybee a week or two they poured fresh concrete in that back area by the pool. A private eye interviewed the guy and he said he was very nervous about the whole thing. Why would you pour concrete if your son is suspected of murder?
But it's not that weird, they wouldn't be at home while it was noisy and messy because of the workers, lot's of people will be away when some construction is going on at their home.
He can't. He translated it with a translator. Thats why his dutch posts or crappyquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:21 schreef xFriendx het volgende:
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Saying 'ocean' isn't that surprising. If you asked the same question to any Fokker! before this was broadcasted or even mentioned by Peter on Thursday, people would have answered 'the ocean' also. For most of us it will be the most logical thing to think, this doesn't mean it is the right answer though.
Joran can say something like that without worrying about it, because it's not a 'strange' thing to say.
(btw, I kept it in English so observer can read all the stuff as well, don't know if he can read all our Dutch posts?)
Sorry observor :$
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I agree totally..But remember he will never ever give up that person and he will take his name to the grave..I have studied this case for a long time and that one person he was talking about has to be lorenzo. Rumors today are saying it may be steve croes,which is possible but I doubt it. His father no question is up to his eyeballs in all of this.IMOquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:12 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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Why the cover-up?
Joran, not knowing he was being filmed, admitted to (in his eyes) his 'best friend', what happend to Natalee that night.
Even tough there still are some pieces of the puzzle missing, like the reason why natalee died so sudden. And the real reason why you would dispose of a dead person when this person dies in your arms.
There has to be some bad consciousness here, and it ain't all feeding the girl high alc. drinks.
But still the most appealing solution to where the body is, is in the ocean.
Joran said so himself. Already from the start he tells Patrick the outlines on hidden camera.
But then again he is also mixing some people and things up, like the name of the person who helped him and some older 25 year old.
Somehow the broadcast yesterday only brings more questioned instaid of answers.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Your right and I havent thought a lot about this. I forgot why the guy was so nervous,I think he was asked to dig the hole but not pour the concrete or something..We will never know what was on that property because all the evidence was gone long ago. But they are caught in a huge lie why they blocked the search of that house.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:27 schreef xFriendx het volgende:
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Could be that the order was already out to pour that concrete. On the other hand, if my son was suspected of murder I might have postphoned that one because I would have my mind set on something else.
But it's not that weird, they wouldn't be at home while it was noisy and messy because of the workers, lot's of people will be away when some construction is going on at their home.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
