Natalee Holloway (in the rebound)

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:53 schreef Qwea het volgende:
And what about the theory that holloway was burned in a crematorium (is that the right english word? ) . A friend of paul van der sloot had a crematorium on aruba...

Hello and yes thats the right word..This is very debateable about that being In Aruba in 2005 and Natalee being cremated. I have a source that says yes and it was operated by a yolanda wever who purchased it from matthews crematoriums. I am not so sure. I would hate to think this is so evil and complicated that they would do that to a young girl.

Many suspicious deaths,but I will tell you just two of them in this post. On June 18th 2005 a man named Rene Van Heyningen was found almost beheaded in Aruba. He is rumored to run the incinerater where he worked at the Valero Refinery and worked Part time at the hospital running theres. His death is extremely suspicious and I have a lot more to say about this at another time.

Rene Van Heyningen
12 Jan 1973- 18 jun 2005


Also on the same day a bank employee who met with PVDS the day after NH dissapears dies also
Ruth Gisela Dijkhoff-Holtmann
17 May 1955 - 18 Jun 2005
http://www.mementomori.net/05148.html

Jacht op Joran in Drachten
Bron: ANP
DRACHTEN – Na de uitzending van het programma Peter R. de Vries Misdaadverslaggever zondagavond, stroomde de Markt in Drachten vol. Aanleiding was het gerucht dat Joran van der Sloot ondergedoken was in één van de appartementen. Elke taxi die het complex verliet werd gecontroleerd om te kijken of Van der Sloot er in zat. Het bleef rustig in Drachten en Joran is niet gesignaleerd.

http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article2023581.ece

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:12 schreef Ticker het volgende:

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Why the cover-up?
Joran, not knowing he was being filmed, admitted to (in his eyes) his 'best friend', what happend to Natalee that night.
Even tough there still are some pieces of the puzzle missing, like the reason why natalee died so sudden. And the real reason why you would dispose of a dead person when this person dies in your arms.
There has to be some bad consciousness here, and it ain't all feeding the girl high alc. drinks.

But still the most appealing solution to where the body is, is in the ocean.
Joran said so himself. Already from the start he tells Patrick the outlines on hidden camera.
But then again he is also mixing some people and things up, like the name of the person who helped him and some older 25 year old.

Somehow the broadcast yesterday only brings more questioned instaid of answers.

Saying 'ocean' isn't that surprising. If you asked the same question to any Fokker! before this was broadcasted or even mentioned by Peter on Thursday, people would have answered 'the ocean' also. For most of us it will be the most logical thing to think, this doesn't mean it is the right answer though.

Joran can say something like that without worrying about it, because it's not a 'strange' thing to say.

(btw, I kept it in English so observer can read all the stuff as well, don't know if he can read all our Dutch posts?)

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:12 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

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Hey welcome. That one site kept popping up when I did some searches the past couple of days. Thats a real dedicated group you've got there. Before this I have never really looked into the case, but what I've read so far something is very wrong in Denmark Aruba.

Do you know if the house of the VDS's was cleaned or painted or something in the days after the disappearance? I think I've read it somewhere but I cant find any other sources. And there was a moving truck parked next to the house in that period?

I've read that too. *searches.



Moving truck picture.

There was another site with information about this. I can't find it anymore

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:12 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

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Hey welcome. That one site kept popping up when I did some searches the past couple of days. Thats a real dedicated group you've got there. Before this I have never really looked into the case, but what I've read so far something is very wrong in Denmark Aruba.

Do you know if the house of the VDS's was cleaned or painted or something in the days after the disappearance? I think I've read it somewhere but I cant find any other sources. And there was a moving truck parked next to the house in that period?

HI and thanksyou for the welcome! Yes very dedicated people at SM and have been for 32 months.

Yes I have the pics and it was posted in this thread..They called in a moving truck I think in July 2005..But just a short time after Natalee went missing,maybee a week or two they poured fresh concrete in that back area by the pool. A private eye interviewed the guy and he said he was very nervous about the whole thing. Why would you pour concrete if your son is suspected of murder?

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:23 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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HI and thanksyou for the welcome! Yes very dedicated people at SM and have been for 32 months.

Yes I have the pics and it was posted in this thread..They called in a moving truck I think in July 2005..But just a short time after Natalee went missing,maybee a week or two they poured fresh concrete in that back area by the pool. A private eye interviewed the guy and he said he was very nervous about the whole thing. Why would you pour concrete if your son is suspected of murder?

Could be that the order was already out to pour that concrete. On the other hand, if my son was suspected of murder I might have postphoned that one because I would have my mind set on something else.

But it's not that weird, they wouldn't be at home while it was noisy and messy because of the workers, lot's of people will be away when some construction is going on at their home.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:21 schreef xFriendx het volgende:

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Saying 'ocean' isn't that surprising. If you asked the same question to any Fokker! before this was broadcasted or even mentioned by Peter on Thursday, people would have answered 'the ocean' also. For most of us it will be the most logical thing to think, this doesn't mean it is the right answer though.

Joran can say something like that without worrying about it, because it's not a 'strange' thing to say.

(btw, I kept it in English so observer can read all the stuff as well, don't know if he can read all our Dutch posts?)

He can't. He translated it with a translator. Thats why his dutch posts or crappy

Sorry observor :$

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:12 schreef Ticker het volgende:

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Why the cover-up?
Joran, not knowing he was being filmed, admitted to (in his eyes) his 'best friend', what happend to Natalee that night.
Even tough there still are some pieces of the puzzle missing, like the reason why natalee died so sudden. And the real reason why you would dispose of a dead person when this person dies in your arms.
There has to be some bad consciousness here, and it ain't all feeding the girl high alc. drinks.

But still the most appealing solution to where the body is, is in the ocean.
Joran said so himself. Already from the start he tells Patrick the outlines on hidden camera.
But then again he is also mixing some people and things up, like the name of the person who helped him and some older 25 year old.

Somehow the broadcast yesterday only brings more questioned instaid of answers.

I agree totally..But remember he will never ever give up that person and he will take his name to the grave..I have studied this case for a long time and that one person he was talking about has to be lorenzo. Rumors today are saying it may be steve croes,which is possible but I doubt it. His father no question is up to his eyeballs in all of this.IMO

movingtruck

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:27 schreef xFriendx het volgende:

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Could be that the order was already out to pour that concrete. On the other hand, if my son was suspected of murder I might have postphoned that one because I would have my mind set on something else.

But it's not that weird, they wouldn't be at home while it was noisy and messy because of the workers, lot's of people will be away when some construction is going on at their home.

Your right and I havent thought a lot about this. I forgot why the guy was so nervous,I think he was asked to dig the hole but not pour the concrete or something..We will never know what was on that property because all the evidence was gone long ago. But they are caught in a huge lie why they blocked the search of that house.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:23 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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But just a short time after Natalee went missing,maybee a week or two they poured fresh concrete in that back area by the pool. A private eye interviewed the guy and he said he was very nervous about the whole thing. Why would you pour concrete if your son is suspected of murder?

that is new information for me...
We might be seeing ghosts, but it sure looks suspicious...

Maybe it is time someone start digging there...

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:32 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Your right and I havent thought a lot about this. I forgot why the guy was so nervous,I think he was asked to dig the hole but not pour the concrete or something..We will never know what was on that property because all the evidence was gone long ago. But they are caught in a huge lie why they blocked the search of that house.

Blocking a search would be weird. If nothing to hide it would be even better if they would search the place right after the missing and ended up empty handed. That would give a big plus when claiming you ain't guilty.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:28 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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He can't. He translated it with a translator. Thats why his dutch posts or crappy

Sorry observor :$

Haha..Thanks!! I switched to the translator because I wanted to make sure everyone understood me but it backfired.I know a great deal about the Dutch and I love them as people,some americans are not very smart when it comes to other countries..Especially during this whole nightmare..Thats why I came here to share knowledge..The most important facts of this case have been long overlooked and covered up. I truly admire Peter De Vries though,He has done a ton more than any other reporter that has talked about this case.


One thing that was dumb was Joran going to Friesland(Drachten)to hide out..If I was him I would have gone into amsterdam or somewhere and not up north

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:21 schreef xFriendx het volgende:

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Saying 'ocean' isn't that surprising. If you asked the same question to any Fokker! before this was broadcasted or even mentioned by Peter on Thursday, people would have answered 'the ocean' also. For most of us it will be the most logical thing to think, this doesn't mean it is the right answer though.

Joran can say something like that without worrying about it, because it's not a 'strange' thing to say.

(btw, I kept it in English so observer can read all the stuff as well, don't know if he can read all our Dutch posts?)

Nehh, you're not looking at the video's hard enough.
Joran did not say this because he would know everyone would accept it. Hell, he did not even know the world was watching.
He might have been carefull telling the whole details, but he is already admitting he is responsible for her missing body. Why still lie and make it a completely different version of her body missing. There is no logic in that. Joran was happy he could spill his words to someone he trusts, since this has happend..

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:41 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Haha..Thanks!! I switched to the translator because I wanted to make sure everyone understood me but it backfired.I know a great deal about the Dutch and I love them as people,some americans are not very smart when it comes to other countries..Especially during this whole nightmare..Thats why I came here to share knowledge..The most important facts of this case have been long overlooked and covered up. I truly admire Peter De Vries though,He has done a ton more than any other reporter that has talked about this case.
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One thing that was dumb was Joran going to Friesland(Drachten)to hide out..If I was him I would have gone into amsterdam or somewhere and not up north

Joran didn't hide in Drachten. Thats what the dutch media said. It was fake.

deze opmerking kwam ik ergens tegen...

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Amazing how there is always a friend around to help you with a dead body, but never for something normal...

so true...

observer777, I can recall you saying something about

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 15:30 schreef observer777 het volgende:
hoewel haar dood was niet ingewikkeld het verhaal na dat is. Het is een cover-up.

I say your theories are a lot more complex than Peter R disposed.
I wonder what to believe from a source called scaredmonkeys.net (first thing I try to start the site a new screen tries to pop up)

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:46 schreef Goofup het volgende:
observer777, I can recall you saying something about
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I say your theories are a lot more complex than Peter R disposed.
I wonder what to believe from a source called scaredmonkeys.net (first thing I try to start the site a new screen tries to pop up)

Yes,I know..But I havent even given you a theory yet,,Just trying to provide facts. Yes SM has a lot of pop ups

I know Peter didn't say anything about a cover up and it is not suprising because it is huge. He exposed some of it on his first show. I guarentee he knows more about it though. It is never talked about in our media either because everyone is scared of being sued and the reporters are idiots...Joran has powerfull Mobster attorneys from NY that are on every show. The Kalpoes are suing Dr.Phil for 800 million dollars from a law firm based out of chicago. There has also been PI'S,A Forensic person and others that worked for the sloots as well. One has to wonder who is paying for all of this? Is it the Aruban Govt or someone else? Considering all the bad information and lies coming from Aruba I have to assume its the Govt. Just two weeks ago Minister Briesen and Croes brought these two psychics on national TV,Newspapers and Radio and everything they said was a lie. Trying to claim the dad impregnated Natalee,she was a drug addict and she ran away..So much of this is coming out of Aruban reporters that is just makes us all that much more angrier and persistent that the real truth comes out.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:45 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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Joran didn't hide in Drachten. Thats what the dutch media said. It was fake.

LOL!! Thanks for the info! Is he still at Grandmas?

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:59 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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LOL!! Thanks for the info! Is he still at Grandmas?

Nope. I don't think so. They have searched some house's where Joran lived. They also have searched grandma's house.

So I don't think he is at grandma's.

Does someone here knows where he is hiding?