Wat betreft dat Britse lab, valt mij ook weer op dat de uiteindelijke resultaten nog steeds niet bekend zijn gemaakt, alhoewel ik ook hier en daar heb gelezen dat ze wel bekend zijn maar dat óf de resultaten te pijnlijk zijn voor de McCanns óf ze bevatten te weinig bewijs om de McCanns te vervolgen.quote:Yet another theory about how Madeleine may have met her death – reportedly leaked by Portuguese police – was expounded in a newspaper there yesterday, claiming she fell off a sofa in the family's holiday flat in Praia da Luz on the Algarve.
According to the report, it was claimed her parents hid the body on the beach and returned to move it later.Portuguese newspapers have also reported claims that the results of tests being carried out by the British Forensic Science Service in Birmingham are "fundamental" to this line of inquiry.
The newspaper 24 Horas said that Portuguese detectives blamed slow progress on the British scientists and claim they are dragging their heels. The samples understood still to be with the scientists are hairs found behind the sofa which may show whether Madeleine had been given sedatives."
Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns, refused to comment on "the latest unfounded, unsubstantiated rumours". However, friends dismissed them as "the latest smears". One said: "Quite how any child would die falling off a sofa is beyond me." Another said: "This is just the latest ridiculous suggestion that Kate and Gerry were somehow involved in killing her. They just want to get on with trying to find her."
An £80,000 relaunch of the Find Madeleine campaign, due to start this week with posters and billboards in Spain and Portugal and television slots in Morocco, has been delayed for up to two weeks after Spanish and Portuguese supermarkets refused to put up posters of Maddy, saying that there are many missing children and it is unfair to give a foreign child "special treatment".
Sources say the Find Madeleine fund is embroiled in a row with Justine McGuinness, Mr Mitchell's predecessor, over allegations that she claimed an unjustified amount for overtime while working for the McCanns in Portugal.
quote:British scientists have found new DNA evidence which could link Kate and Gerry McCann to Madeleine's disappearance, it has been revealed today. The results, obtained at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham, support earlier forensic findings sent to Portugal by British scientists which led to the McCanns being named as official suspects. Sources in Britain claim the fresh evidence shows the decision by Portuguese detectives to focus their investigation on the parents is justified.
The news comes just as it was widely reported this morning that DNA evidence linking the McCanns to Madeleine's disappearance was 'inconclusive'. None of the new material provides definitive proof that Madeleine is dead. But a senior source close to the investigation told the Evening Standard that the new DNA results showed the investigation was focused "where it should be".
The revelation of its existence will be a blow to the McCanns who deny any involvement in the disappearance of their daughter. The new positive results have been obtained from analysis of a mass of further material gathered from the McCanns' apartment in Praia da Luz from which she disappeared on 3 May, their hire car and other parts of the Mark Warner holiday complex. Madeleine was six days short of her fourth birthday when she vanished.
The initial police decision to focus on the McCanns followed the arrival in Portugal early last month of a first batch of results sent by the Forensic Science Service. A senior source close to the investigation said: "There is no reason to change the direction of the investigation and everything that has emerged indicates that it is focusing where it should.
"This is a very complex case and forensics are rarely conclusive on their own, but the new material adds to the existing picture that has been built up by police and fills in a few more pieces of the jigsaw." Those involved also point out that all the material sent to Birmingham for testing was gathered by Leicestershire police.
Sources also said the further tests cast into question explanations offered by the McCanns for the original results which are believed to have shown traces of Madeleine's blood in the family apartment and of her bodily fluids in the couple's hire car, rented 25 days after her disappearance. British scientists are understood to be fully confident in their ability to distinguish between Madeleine's DNA and that of her siblings or parents.
Similarly, it is understood that the widely touted theory that her DNA could have been transferred via her toys or clothes in substantial quantities has been fully taken into account. But because blood, bodily fluids and other material can deteriorate rapidly in hot conditions, the quality of some of the DNA matches is not as high as would have been the case if the Portuguese had collected it earlier.
The McCanns insist their daughter could still be alive and are planning to intensify their PR campaign. Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman, said today: "There are wholly innocent explanations for any material police may or may not have found."
Sources close to the family have said DNA in the boot of the hire car could have come from Madeleine's clothing or sandals. Leicestershire police said it was not making any public statement on its view of what happened to the toddler. A spokesman said: "Since Madeleine's disappearance British Police have offered advice and support to the Portuguese. A wide range of specialist capabilities have been available for them to use."
aah .. tja, dat er iemand rondloopt die het gevaar van deze opsporingsmethode ziet en het daarom geheim houdt is waarschijnlijk een beetje te veel gevraagdquote:Op zondag 7 oktober 2007 20:55 schreef Suko het volgende:
He said he was currently in negotiations with companies to develop the 'matter orientation system machine', which is said to also use satellite technology."[/b] Sky News Geld natuurlijk...
wat ik ervan heb gelezen weten we dat dus wel .. inconclusive .. vandaar dat deze tweede ronde onderzoek eroverheen gaat .. of te wel, de resultaten zijn te pijnlijk voor de portugese poltiequote:Wat betreft dat Britse lab, valt mij ook weer op dat de uiteindelijke resultaten nog steeds niet bekend zijn gemaakt, alhoewel ik ook hier en daar heb gelezen dat ze wel bekend zijn maar dat óf de resultaten te pijnlijk zijn voor de McCanns óf ze bevatten te weinig bewijs om de McCanns te vervolgen.![]()
kijk dat je die posters niet meer wil ophangen omdat het je klanten kost kan ik begrijpen, hang het dan maar een paar meter verderop oid .. maar iets niet ophangen omdat het kind evtl al dood is of omdat het niet eerlijk zou zijn tav andere verdwenen kinderen, c'mon zeg, wat een kolder .. hang dan de foto's van die andere kinderen ook op !!quote:En verder kan ik mij volledig indenken dat winkeliers e.d. niet meer die posters willen ophangen, en dan denk ik er zelf bij dat ze misschien ook denken dat Madeleine niet meer leeft, naast het feit dat er nog meer kinderen worden vemist en daar is geen aandacht voor.
huh .. het gaat toch niet om een aanvullende rekening maar om geclaimde overuren .. ?quote:Justine McGuinness heeft groot gelijk dat ze achteraf aanvullend een rekening indient naast de gewone dagelijkse vergoeding die ze kreeg, opvolger Mitchell wordt tenslotte ook vet betaald, onder meer door die sponsor Brian Kennedy.
Kan me wel in die reactie vinden. Om wat voor DNA ging het nu ?quote:We are told that there are new links but we are not told what they are. So, why say anything at all? The blood in the apartment and the DNA in the vehicle does not necessarily mean that THEY killed her.
Hmm, op basis van dezelfde resultaten:quote:Op maandag 8 oktober 2007 11:50 schreef Suko het volgende:
Madeleine: New DNA evidence 'provides fresh link to parents' Daily Mail
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Er is nu dus nog niets concreets gevonden, enkel nog meer speculaties en de zoutbehoefte is nog niet verminderd.quote:THE case against Kate and Gerry McCann lay in tatters last night after DNA evidence was found to be inconclusive.
With no fresh leads, Portuguese police are coming under increasing pressure to clear the couple.
aah .. de wogen worden glad gestreken ..quote:Op maandag 8 oktober 2007 11:50 schreef Suko het volgende:
Madeleine: New DNA evidence 'provides fresh link to parents' Daily Mail
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hier krijgen de Portugezen een klopje op de schoudersquote:Sources in Britain claim the fresh evidence shows the decision by Portuguese detectives to focus their investigation on the parents is justified
en hier hebben we een stukje kritiek .. beweren dat het kind dood is kan niet op basis van de resultaten, maar daarna meteen weer de bevestiging dat het met die beschikbare gegevens logisch is om die kant op te zoeken .. erg diplomatisch allemaalquote:None of the new material provides definitive proof that Madeleine is dead. But a senior source close to the investigation told the Evening Standard that the new DNA results showed the investigation was focused "where it should be".
quote:"Lawyers acting for the parents of missing Madeleine McCann travelled to Portugal last week in an effort to have their suspect status removed, it was revealed today. Kate and Gerry McCann were named as arguidos, or formal suspects, in the disappearance of their four-year-old daughter by Portuguese detectives in August.
The couple had feared that the cloud of suspicion brought on by the arguido status could hang over them for months, and sent their legal team to meet their Portuguese counterparts to discuss the case. A family friend said the couple were keen to have the arguido status lifted as soon as possible, and said lawyers were exploring all possible avenues for that to happen.
The McCanns' official spokesman rejected a newspaper report suggesting that the results of DNA testing had kept the couple "in the frame" in Madeleine's disappearance. Clarence Mitchell said: "We cannot comment on anything that goes to the heart of the investigation, but Kate and Gerry have nothing to hide. "Any material that may have been found by police in Portugal can be wholly and innocently explained."
wat op zich dan weer onlogisch is gezien het feit dat je daar als verdachte meer rechten hebt dan als getuige .. ik lees zo hier en daar dat het vaak door de getuigen zelf aangevraagd word daar, een soort omgekeerde wereld dus ..quote:Op maandag 8 oktober 2007 13:43 schreef Suko het volgende:
They just spinning around, from both sides...ondertussen zijn vorige week advocaten van de McCanns naar Portugal geweest om te pleiten dat de status van formeel verdachten wordt opgeheven, 24dash.com:
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quote:It has been reported that a leading child protection expert has said he has significant concerns about the man nicknamed “The Locator” who has been called in to help find Madeleine McCann.
Former detective Mark Williams-Thomas has said that he doubts the ability of Daniel Kruger to provide any assistance in tracking down the missing child.
Its been said that Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, have given the South African some hair found on her clothing to use in his “missing person machine”. Mr Kruger refuses to reveal how his mysterious methods work, but they have apparently won him success and recognition in his homeland - which prompted the McCanns to call him in.
The former policeman said he believed Madeleine was not transported beyond the area where she went missing on May 3, but her chances of being alive were “very slim”.
It was reported he had uncovered a “forensic route” from Madeleine’s holiday apartment, along paths and roads to a nearby beach where the trail went cold.
However, the university health and safety director was reluctant to talk in detail about his search, which was carried out over four nights in July.
Nou ja zeg, een beetje agressief verhoor okay, het zal ongetwijfeld geen lieverdje geweest zijn maar dit, het gaat imho alle perken te buiten, de McCanns moeten blij zijn met al die media die er bovenop gedoken is, wie weet hoe ze er anders aan toe waren geweest.quote:Tavares Almeida is the deputy head of the inquiry into the four-year-old’s disappearance but recently asked to be taken off the case on unpaid leave.
TV adverts to be shown in Morocco are "ready to roll"
Today it emerged that he is facing trial for inflicting a severe beating on innocent man along with two other police officers.
The Chief Inspector is the second officer involved in the case to be implicated in the violent treatment of police suspects.
Disgraced inquiry head Goncalo Amaral — who was last week spectacularly kicked off the case after he said British police were being manipulated by Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry — is fighting claims he covered up the beating of another missing girl’s mother.
Leonor Cipriano, 36, says she was forced to kneel on glass ashtrays with a bag over her head as police repeatedly hit her during almost 48 hours of questioning.
She is serving 16 years for the murder of her eight-year-old daughter Joana, even though the body has never been found and she has since retracted her statement.
Today, the Portuguese daily newspaper Jornal de Noticias reported that 48-year-old Almeida will face trial over allegations that he beat up a railway worker suspected of being part of a notorious gang who sexually assaulted children in a park and coerced them into mugging people seven years ago.
The suspect, who suffered four broken ribs and bruising to his throat, stomach and back, was later acquitted of all charges at trial.
Niemand was er rouwig om geweest als Almeida desrijds die eikel had doodgemept maar ja, dat mag nu eenmaal niet...en bleek naderhand vrijgesproken.quote:Today, the Portuguese daily newspaper Jornal de Noticias reported that 48-year-old Almeida will face trial over allegations that he beat up a railway worker suspected of being part of a notorious gang who sexually assaulted children in a park and coerced them into mugging people seven years ago.
Iedereen lijkt zo zijn/haar taak te hebben in het PR-team van de McCanns en die Former British child protection officer Mark Williams-Thomas is er voornamelijk om de incompetentie van de Portugese politie aan te tonen. Yep, ik ben slechtdenkend, nog steeds...quote:"One of the most well known faces for the viewers of Sky News, the former Hampshire CID officer Mark Williams-Thomas, is also managing director of WT Associates, a company that offers, among many other services, media handling and advice for high profile cases and “design or review organisations media crisis policy”. Mr. Mark Williams-Thomas has been one of the most violent critics of the Portuguese Police investigation of Madeleine McCann's case.
We emailed WT Associates and asked if the company “has or had any contract with Mr.Gerry McCann, or with a relative of Mr. Gerry McCann, or with any Public Relations or Media company that has any relation with Mr. Gerry McCann or any relative of Mr. Gerry McCann.” The first answer was short and clear: “Yes we have. What is it you are after?”, was the reply, from a company's email, with no name or identification of the author, but sent from a Blueberry.
When we asked to confirm two details we already had – the contract was to provide media handling and advice for high profile cases, since the middle of May – the following answer was the opposite of the first: ““We are not providing any media support to the mc cann familly. But I have been in contact with the press officers for the family. I am unclear what you are after?”
A third attempt to clarify things got a reply that seemed more an order: “Call me. 07734 4XXXXX”, always whitout identifyng the person that was sending the emails or “asking” to be called on the phone. We send a text message, with our contacts and we are waiting for whoever sent the emails, from WT Associates, to call. We emailed also Sky News, asking it they were aware of the business quality of Mr Mark Williams-Thomas, whyle they invited him in to give opinion about Madeleine McCan's case, presenting him as a "child protection expert" or a "crime expert".
Mark Williams-ThomasProfile
His expertise includes in particular risk management and assessment of offenders - he has most recently been seen providing expert commentary on Sky News from Portugal about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann - and he now owns his own Child Protection and Risk Management Consultancy - WT Associates Ltd. Prior to setting up WT Associates in 2005, Mark was a police Detective specialising in major crime. He worked on or was in charge of some of the largest paedophile and murder investigations in the country, as well as being one of only 10 specialist Family Liaison officers during his time in the police. Mark is also completing a Masters in Criminology at the University of Central England.
Duarte Levy, in Rothley and Paulo Reis, in Málaga Bron
UPDATE: On September 18, at 13h13, Mr. Mark Williams-Thomas sent me an email, with the following statement: "There are no conflicts of interest. WT Associates has no business connections with the Mc Cann family and Mark Williams-Thomas provides his comments completely as an individual with no bias."
wat ik dan weer niet begrijp is .. deze Krugel komt er met toestemming van de ouders, of de politie zelf van begin af aan op de hoogte was word niet echt duidelijk uit de verschillende artikelen, feit is wel dat er dankzij zijn bevindingen die honden ingevlogen worden .. hoe komt het dan dat er met die honden blijkbaar niet gezocht is op die plek waar volgens hem het lijkje ligt of gelegen heeft ?quote:Kate and Gerry McCann have hired their own forensic experts to refute Portuguese police claims that new DNA tests link them to Madeleine's disappearance, it has been revealed.
The McCanns' law firm Kingsley Napley, one of the leading criminal law firms in the country, is understood to have brought in its own forensic team after the discovery of allegedly damaging evidence found in the apartment in Praia da Luz and in a Renault Scenic hire car, rented 25 days after Madeleine vanished.
The McCanns continue to insist that any DNA found in the car could have been innocently transferred from their daughter's clothing when they moved to a new apartment.
But FSS sources are reported to have claimed that while the fresh DNA evidence does not provide conclusive proof, it does suggest, on balance, that the Portuguese police were right to make the couple arguidos, or official suspects
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The McCanns' supporters insist that the case against them is fundamentally flawed and that, ironically, it was their own efforts to kick start the investigation that led to them being named as suspects.
The sniffer dogs said to have picked up the scent of a corpse on Mrs McCann were only brought in after the couple gave the go ahead for retired South African police officer Daniel Krugel - dubbed the Locator - to conduct a search.
Er is dus een nieuwe chief, hij heeft vaker een pedofiliezaak gehad, is dat een teken dat ze in die richting verder gaan zoeken?quote:Lisbon - One of the deputy national directors of Portuguese police has been appointed to take over the case of Madeleine McCann, the four-year-old British girl who went missing over five months ago, media reported Tuesday. Paulo Rebelo will replace Goncalo Amaral as the coordinator of the criminal investigation department in Portimao, responsible for the tourist resort of Praia da Luz, where Madeleine disappeared from her parents' holiday apartment.
Police chief Alipio Ribeiro sacked Amaral last week after he criticized British police in public, accusing them of only investigating what "suited" Madeleine's parents.
Kate and Gerry McCann have been named suspects in the case.
Rebelo has formerly worked in a Lisbon police department investigating drug trafficking.
He was also involved in the investigation into the Casa Pia paedophile scandal involving an ambassador, a television host and other public personalities. The trial is still going on.
Rebelo's appointment did not surprise some of his colleagues, who said they had expected Ribeiro to choose a reliable person who could "give new encouragement" to investigators working on the case.
The colleagues described Rebelo as "a good policeman."
A substitute was also being sought for Tavares de Almeida, Amaral's second man, who asked for indefinite leave. Both Amaral and Almeida are under investigation for torture in other cases.
Er zijn dus DNA resultaten maar er kan niet over worden gesproken, als er iets instond wat belastend zou zijn voor de McCanns dan was er al wel weer een Portugees lek geweest, een nieuw dood spoor dus, wat is er waar over het terugbrengen van het aantal politie mensen die onderzoek doen in deze zaak, is jullie daar iets meer over bekend?quote:Clarence Mitchell said Kate and Gerry McCann had nothing to hide over the disappearance of their daughter and there was an innocent explanation for anything the police might have found in the investigation.
"Officially, I cannot discuss the detailed aspects of the case - it is still very much an active police investigation," he told GMTV.
"What I can say though is Kate and Gerry have nothing to hide at all. They are perfectly happy to answer any of this, if it comes to it.
"There are wholly innocent explanations for anything the police may or may not have found. That has been the case from day one and it remains the case.
"I would point to some of these stories this morning - they are unsourced, they are unsubstantiated. Frankly, some of the headlines this morning are a complete disgrace."
quote:@ Suko .. bij Levy en Reis moet je je zout klaar hebben staan .. helemaal in het begin hielden die 2 bij hoog en bij laag vol dat Gerry de zoon was van de politicus McCann
quote:Kate and Gerry McCann have hired their own forensic experts to refute Portuguese police claims that new DNA tests link them to Madeleine's disappearance, it has been revealed.
The McCanns' law firm Kingsley Napley, one of the leading criminal law firms in the country, is understood to have brought in its own forensic team after the discovery of allegedly damaging evidence found in the apartment in Praia da Luz and in a Renault Scenic hire car, rented 25 days after Madeleine vanished.
The McCanns continue to insist that any DNA found in the car could have been innocently transferred from their daughter's clothing when they moved to a new apartment. But FSS sources are reported to have claimed that while the fresh DNA evidence does not provide conclusive proof, it does suggest, on balance, that the Portuguese police were right to make the couple arguidos, or official suspects.
The two 39-year-old doctors are said to be extremely distressed by the claims, not least because such speculation shifts the focus away from the search for their daughter. They fear that the search was effectively halted by Portuguese police three months ago when British police sniffer dogs reacted to the 'scent of death' on Mrs McCann's clothing. The scaling down of the police operation in Portugal has forced them to bring in their own team of investigators to follow up leads and potential sightings.
A source close to the couple told the Evening Standard: "We have brought our own forensics experts on board," adding that the new team is putting together a case that will offer "wholly innocent" explanations for any DNA and other forensic evidence found in the apartment and in the hire car, said the source. The move comes as Michael Caplan QC and Angus McBride, both lawyers at Kingsley Napley, met their Portuguese counterparts Rogerio Alves and Carlos Pinto de Abreu for two days last week in Praia da Luz.
en nou dus maar hopen dat die bij diegenen hoorde die alles op tafel probeerde te krijgen en niet bij die kliek die zorgde dat getuigen niet werden opgeroepen, verklaringen verdwenen edquote:Op dinsdag 9 oktober 2007 14:08 schreef Suko het volgende:
Het enige nieuws wat ik interessant vind is dat er nieuwe pief is aangesteld: "Mr Rebelo has previously worked in the central investigation department specialising in narcotics. He was also involved in a long investigation into a paedophile scandal at a state children's home in the capital, Lisbon, allegedly involving senior establishment figures. The case is ongoing."
nou, het enige wat ik kan halen uit die "nieuwe" rapporten, het enige wat er echt gezegd is, is dat de portugese politie gelijk had om de McCanns te onderzoeken, het toen verzamelde materiaal rechtvaardigt dat, en dat de britse politie denkt in staat te zijn om onderscheid te kunnen maken tussen familieleden en primaire en secundaire overbrenging .. voor de rest nada, niets nieuwsquote:En dat: "there were reports of new findings after fresh tests by the Forensic Science Laboratory in Birmingham on DNA samples collected by British detectives helping the Portuguese police. The results reportedly suggest DNA evidence found in the boot of a car hired weeks after Madeleine disappeared came from the missing girl and was not transferred by clothes or toys." The Guardian
? .. natuurlijk is die daarvoor ingehuurd, persvoorlichter of hoe je het wil noemen .. waarom zou je die man niet serieus nemen ? Je weet wat zijn functie is, je weet wat die wel of niet mag zeggen aangaande de feiten zelf .. voor de rest kan die toch weinig meer zeggen dat hetgeen er in de krant staat onzin is, of het nou bvb van die snifferdogs bij vrienden zijn of de "nieuwe" resultaten van het DNA-onderzoek, zolang de McCanns dat niet te horen krijgen van de politie zelf of in het geval van die honden van hun vrienden is het dat toch ook .. de zoveelste speculatie op basis van gegoochel met woordenquote:En die Clarence Mitchell is woordvoerder van de McCanns, die neem ik al helemaal niet serieus, die is ingehuurd én getraind voor een goed verhaal tegen de media.
nah, moet je eens aan de moeder van Natascha Kampusch vragen, zelfs nu haar dochter ontsnapt is heb je er van die figuren die ervan overtuigd zijn en blijven dat moeders een handje in haar ontvoering heeft gehadquote:Ik heb iig het idee dat het nu er om gaat spannen óf er genoeg bewijs is tegen de McCanns om een zaak te beginnen of dat de rechter straks beslist dat er wegens gebrek aan bewijs de zaak wordt verworpen. Dat is ook een angst van de McCanns, wel ontheven van verdenking maar niet onschuldig verklaard, lijkt me ook erg.
hehe, hoe meer ik erover lees hoe vager ik het vind .. zo lees ik bvb dit op een zuid-afrikaanse blogquote:@ Moussie, wat betreft die Krugel, allemaal twijfelachtig en ik denk dat geen krant hem meer serieus neemt, vooral nu blijkt dat hij eigenlijk bezig is een produkt op te markt te brengen.
Danie Krugel: Officially a Liar?quote:Some of you may recall that in January, Danie Krugel - erstwhile inventor of a device that can supposedly find anyone, anywhere, with merely a snippet of their hair - made a promise to me:
Danie also made a deal with me: in the next three months, there will be some big event regarding his device. He wouldn’t give specifics, but did eventually say after some pressing that the news would be international, and big, and if it didn’t happen in three months I could call him a liar.
yup .. http://gazetadigitalarqui(...)erry-was-labour.htmlquote:Echt waar? Dan pak ik alleen stukjes die via betrouwbare links zijn te verifiëren.
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