quote:Let me begin this post by saying that I realize, as a new member, many people will be very skeptical of what I am about to say. I also realize that in the past ATS has been the recipient of several hoaxes/scams that went on for months before being uncovered, so I do not expect anyone to believe what I am going to reveal in its entirety (though what I am about to say is the truth). I accept this and acknowledge that skepticism is necessary in any quest for the truth. I only hope that the moderators on ATS will give me the time to disclose the information I have before they make the mistake of categorizing it as a hoax.
First, let me describe how I found this site and why I chose to post here. To be clear... I did not 'find' this site as much as I have been monitoring it for 5+ years. I am well aware of the personal battles, hoaxes, and accurate information that has appeared here over the years. I know what ATS has gotten wrong and right. Why do I know this? Because part of my position with the government involves monitoring sites like these in hopes of 'feeling out' the public's possible reaction to topics like UFOs/ET presence. I did not create a membership beforehand because I have always been a listener. Now, however, there is something I need to speak out about. Please heare me out:
About four months ago my job description changed dramatically. Whereas before I had been led to believe that ET Presence was a hoax designed to mislead America's enemies, I was suddenly (and with a dramatic demonstration) informed that ET Presence was real and that, as someone who specialized in cultural affairs, I would be tasked (among others) with preparing local and state governments for disclosure. Though this was surprising in and of itself, what came to terrify me was the revelation that the ETs (though they are called 'Visitors' within the government) are actually not -- entirely -- the evil villians the public has, through popular culture, come to see them as. They are, it turns out, extremely detached and interested in us purely for scientific reasons. Our government -- or parts of it, namely the military -- have decided, however, to treat the Visitors as hostiles. My new job, as was described to me and apparently others, was to convince local governments that the ETs were hostile invaders so as to further the military's agenda regarding ETs. In other words... I was to write up 'spin' and propaganda that would help win the country's leaders over to our new 'war effort'.
This shocked me because I felt that it would lead our people into a dangerous and possibly world-ending situation. I feel that we cannot possibly defend against the Visitors (at least in a 'fighting' situation) and that the motives of the military are simply wrong-headed. Don't get me wrong, though: I know that our military leaders are well-meaning and honestly do see the Visitors as a threat... I just think they're wrong.
Anyways, what ATS needs to know is that, around early August, a 'false flag' operation will occur that will make the ETs/Visitors look like they are attacking america. Do not believe it. We cannot allow ourselves to be drawn into a war with an enemy like that.
Sorry that I cannot verify my position as I have a family and assets that would surely be taken from me if my identity were revealed.
Het is onderhand een pagina of 4 dat topic, ik ga het nu even verder lezen.quote:The first phase will be simple. The goal will be to make something strange happen that, at first, will not seem overwhelmingly scary (remember, they do not want the public to panic. They want the public to be scared enough to 'fight' but not so scared that they cannot function). I was told that this phase would involve a ramp-up of 'missing person' cases and aggressive UFOs/lights in the sky. This will last for about two weeks (late July into early August) and it will be deliberately stirred so as to create a 'what's going on?' situation. The timing was chosen to coincide with the most common vacation/recerational dates (as people are more likely to 'chatter' about scary things while in large groups with friends/family).
The second phase will involve strange electromagnetic disturbances. This will NOT be blackouts. I was led to believe that things like jamming/interference of transmissions would occur. Expect everything from screwed up TV programs to bizarre, untraceable messages.
The third phase will involve a mass disapearance. After that, the 'real' war will begin due to a series of provoked air battles between UFOs and fighter jets.
Why does the military see them as a threat? It's really simple: They instinctively see them as a threat and, by definition, consider anything that can violate us territory at will as a threat.
The demonstration I saw involved videotape of both an actual UFO as filmed from a fighter jet and forensic photographs of multiple Visitor cadavers that had been recovered over the years. It was capped of by an inspection of a bell-shaped UFO that had crashed in the 1960s. This inspection occured at a civilian research facility.
I cannot say who I work for but I can say that I am not military and that I work for a branch of the federal government that is concerned with domestic affairs and public attitudes.
quote:Op dinsdag 26 juni 2007 11:16 schreef Echo99 het volgende:
HOAX! (sorry twee maanden te vroeg)
Is dit niet meer iets voor TRU?
(verder is dit niet meer dan een ordinaire tvp)
quote:Sorry that I haven't been able to reply since last night.
I am writing these posts from a computer at a library where I have signed in as an anonymous/general public computer user. This means that I won't be able to post at any given time and it also means that I don't have the time to read and respond to every question that is posted on the board. I have skimmed through some of the replies, however, and have the following responses to some of the most important questions:
1) The 'need to know' question is the most important. The reason behind those questions is that any classified material is only shared with government employees if they need to know the truth to perform their job. So what is my 'need to know'? Let me put it this way... do you really think it would be in the government's interest to have state trooper's shooting at Special Ops in alien disguises? Do you think the government wants state resources to be wasted chasing false flag operations or duplicating work? Sure, some 'mistakes' need to be made by state government and it would backfire if even a large minority of higher state employees knew about what was going on... but, in terms of my job, there has to be some coordination between state and fed in regards to these matters. Specifically, selected state officials need to know the difference between what is real and what isn't. This is also why I was shown a real retrieved object and Visitor cadavers. There is more to this line of thinking but I don't have the time to go into it now.
Also, keep in mind that not every area of the country is the same. I study public opinion and the response of government to it. This means that I need to know what will happen, or what the truth is, if I am to accurately predict what the reaction of a town in Alabama will be to the Visitors in comparison to the reaction of a town in Michigan. In other words, if I didn't know the basics of the truth -- and I know that I do not know everything -- I would not be able to analyze the situation correctly or coordinate with state officials once the operations start.
2)As far as monitoring goes: Not everyone in our project is happy with what is going on. The people who also monitor this site -- and know who I am -- are sympathetic to me. The gov is not some evil institution. The people I am hiding my identity from are a (influential) minority.
This might not seem to make sense in light of decades of conspiracy theories, but you have to know that the Visitor issue, so far as it is handled by the government, is rapidly changing. I cannot vouch for the exact numbers... but I sense that far more gov employees have been brought into it during the last few months than have been brought into it over the last 100 years. This is making things 'looser'. Why are they bringing more people in? Because for any large project, no matter its goals, you have to have a certain number of deckhands. This means that any project that goes from the dark to the light is bound to bring in workers who are not happy with it.
3)I tried to give a simplified summary of the military's thinking before. This was unsatisfactory to people. Let me go further. The military knows that the Visitors have superior tech, but they do not think they will go 'all the way' and use it to its fullest extent. Why? Because the Visitors are passing scientists who will use their tech for defense (as they have) and the military thinks they will only respond, one for one, to any individual engagements. I think that this will be true... but only to a certain point. Continous provocation will, I believe, generate new reactions from the Visitors.
Does this contradict my statement that the Visitors aren't totally evil? No... because what I'm saying is that they are basically scientists, not missionaries or social workers. Even a team of biologists that search the jungles for medicines carry rifles in case they cross an aggressive tiger.
---quote:Again, I have been reading some of these posts and I have to say that I am surprised that you guys expect me to write long posts instantly. It took me several minutes to write the above post (which explains my timing issues). The reality is simply that I do not have the time or ability to respond to every single post or write long posts in a matter of seconds. That is just not going to happen (as a sidenote, I now know how every other informant who has ever been on ATS feels. It is impossible to answer everyone at once).
Ok, to continue what I was writing above (I ran out of space):
4)Why I needed to see the craft: This relates to #1. I need to know the difference between real craft and fake ones. As for the real ones, the one I saw was bell or, you could say, thimble shaped. It appeared to be damaged along one side. This was pretty weird, actually, because the exterior in places that weren't burned/discolored seemed to reflect light in strange ways. Only a dull, unshaded form would appear were, normally, you would expect some sort of pure reflection. I noticed this while our briefing officer led us around the object. He said that it was some sort of 'intelligent material' or something like that.
As for the rest of the craft, the top or 'nose' (though I don't know if it was the true front) had been removed for research purposes. The whole vehicle was displayed at a 45 degree angle on some sort of pneumatic pallet (sorry, I am not a mechanic so I may be using the wrong terms) in the middle of a pretty barren looking workshop (no computers or strange gizmos... just basic storage). Actually, the facility it was in was not that impressive. I WAS NOT TAKEN OUT TO A SECRET MILITARY BASE. This part of the briefing occured in an industrial park near a fairly well populated area. It was not out in the desert or undergound or anything. In fact, the nearby companies were all pretty normal ones and I suspect that this location could fit into pretty much any recently developed suburb. Though it was a highly secured room, the overal 'complex' (and I hate to call it that because it wasn't even that big) was mostly dedicated to what we would consider to be 'everyday' technological concerns. Before we entered the security zone we passed what looked like normal scientists/engineers/researchers and none of them appeared to be military. You'd be surprised, actually, at the number who looked like they just got out of college.
Ok, that's all I have time for now.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread288370/pg9 en http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread288370/pg12 met posts van ghostraven.quote:Op dinsdag 26 juni 2007 11:44 schreef Echo99 het volgende:
Heb het topic van Ghosthunter een beetje door zitten spitten. Het verhaal was goed. Alleen dat nemesis scenario geloof ik niet zo in. Waarom vechten als je weet dat het je dood wordt?
Uhhh, mensen inlichten? Alleen de mensen die toevallig in dit forum dit topic aanklikken? Want het lijkt me dat je dan toch een hele grote groep mensen wil waarschuwen. Een brief sturen naar de Spits heeft dan ook geen zinquote:Op dinsdag 26 juni 2007 11:41 schreef jogy het volgende:
[..], kom over twee maanden maar terug met die opmerking, ik weet ook niet of dit wel gaat gebeuren hoor, maar als het wel zo is dan is het goed om mensen in te lichten dat het dus niet die kleine grijze wezentjes zijn die ons aan het bang maken zijn.
Het is een beetje een twijfelgeval lijkt me. Het zijn buitenaardse wezentjes (TRU) maar wel waar de VS ons mee poogt bang te maken en te misleiden via die valse vlag operaties (BNW). Ik neig meer naar BNW in deze.
Ik vond het gewoon een interessant topic en het bewijs wordt wel geregeld als er in juli/augustus meer gaat gebeuren dan alleen een sightinkje. Als je die engelse tekst daadwerkelijk leest dan zie je dat de VS dus meer van plan is dan alleen een paar lichtjes in de lucht zoals die nu gezien worden door mensen (of die lichtjes daadwerkelijk buitenaards zijn of niet kan je voor mijn part in het midden laten hoor). Electromagnetische storingen, grotere contacts, gevechten met vliechtuigen en buitenaardse. Het zullen schermutselingen zijn e.d. En mocht het zo zijn dat de VS er echt achter gaat zitten en dus hun versie van de aliens aan ons op wilt leggen dan zal de mainstream er opeens een stuk serieuzer mee omgaan. Ach, hoe dan ook, het is voor mij hetzelfde als het hele 2012 gedoe, weet ervan voor het geval dat het gebeurt en als het niet gebeurt is het des te beter, wat mij betreft.quote:Op dinsdag 26 juni 2007 14:05 schreef CoolGuy het volgende:
[..]
Uhhh, mensen inlichten? Alleen de mensen die toevallig in dit forum dit topic aanklikken? Want het lijkt me dat je dan toch een hele grote groep mensen wil waarschuwen. Een brief sturen naar de Spits heeft dan ook geen zin(die moest ff
) Anyway, dit lijkt me weer eens een volledig uit de duim gezogen verhaal. Oh ik wil best geloven dat de Amerikaanse regering allerlei dingen doet die niet door de beugel kunnen, maar ik denk niet dat dit wat met Aliens te maken heeft.
Daarnaast, hoe wil je dat bewijzen? Je schrijft dat ze dat willen doen door onder andere 'een sightinkje hier en daar'. Leuk, maar er worden denk ik zo'n beetje elke dag wel sightings gedaan. Wat je nu gaat krijgen is dat labiele personen die dit mochten lezen de conclusie trekken dat dit daadwerkelijk aan de gang is , terwijl het helemaal niet hoeft te zijn dat er meer sightings worden gedaan waarbij de reden die jij aangeeft ook daadwerkelijk de reden is.
Dat is namelijk hetzelfde als dat er nu geroepen wordt dat het chemtrailen werd stilgelegd wereldwijd nadat er wat brieven waren verschenen in de Spits.
Ik weet dus niet of ze in contact staan qua praten en dergelijke, of ze hebben het in het verleden wel gedaan en één van de partijen is ermee gestopt, kan ook. Zijn niet bepaald dingen die de gemiddelde mens kan weten op dit moment.quote:Op dinsdag 26 juni 2007 15:34 schreef UncleScorp het volgende:
Dit is idd een verhaal dat al een tijdje rondgonst op het net.
Het wordt dan meestal direct weer gelinkt aan de NWO, want de ganse wereld verenigd, tégen een buitenaardse vijand, is natuurlijk een ideaal moment om een Nieuwe Wereld Orde in te voeren ... someone's gotta be in charge, not ?
Dit zou dus volledig mogelijk zijn zelfs zonder echte aliens, maar TS vermeldt erbij dat de aliens wss al aanwezig zijn ... hoe zouden zij hiermee omgaan ? Als ze dan toch zogezegd al in contact staan met de US, gaan ze dat dan zomaar toelaten dat hun 'bestaan' wordt misbruikt om de wereld te misleiden ?
quote:Op dinsdag 26 juni 2007 16:46 schreef UncleScorp het volgende:
Lol, daan gaan we hier een situatie krijgen :
De aliens zullen dus geopenbaard worden en alle debunkers hier zullen het volledig geloven, gezien de hoeveelheid officieel bewijs.
Dan gaan wij met het verhaal op de proppen komen dat de aliens dus fake zijn en dat de US er achter zit, en dan zijn wij weer de complotgelovers![]()
Idd spijtig dat je reageert zonder de tekst gelezen te hebben ...quote:Op dinsdag 26 juni 2007 14:05 schreef CoolGuy het volgende:
Daarnaast, hoe wil je dat bewijzen? Je schrijft dat ze dat willen doen door onder andere 'een sightinkje hier en daar'. Leuk, maar er worden denk ik zo'n beetje elke dag wel sightings gedaan. Wat je nu gaat krijgen is dat labiele personen die dit mochten lezen de conclusie trekken dat dit daadwerkelijk aan de gang is , terwijl het helemaal niet hoeft te zijn dat er meer sightings worden gedaan waarbij de reden die jij aangeeft ook daadwerkelijk de reden is.
Ok, er staat ons nog wat te wachten van onze Illuminatie assholes !quote:Op dinsdag 26 juni 2007 16:58 schreef UncleScorp het volgende:
Stephen Greer :
the ultimate false flag operation pt1
the ultimate false flag operation pt1b
Klinkt jammergenoeg zeer aannemelijk.quote:Op dinsdag 26 juni 2007 16:46 schreef UncleScorp het volgende:
Lol, daan gaan we hier een situatie krijgen :
De aliens zullen dus geopenbaard worden en alle debunkers hier zullen het volledig geloven, gezien de hoeveelheid officieel bewijs.
Dan gaan wij met het verhaal op de proppen komen dat de aliens dus fake zijn en dat de US er achter zit, en dan zijn wij weer de complotgelovers![]()
En ik adviseer iedereen om de rest van de discussie ook te lezen, nu ga ik weer verder lezen. Tering, boeiend allemaal. Ookal blijkt het een 'roman' te zijnquote:The situation is changing rapidly. My Visitor information may have been wrong.
The schedule for EM interference/signals is being changed, with experiments in some areas being moved forward.
When the signals start you will know that it is happening and that I was telling the truth. All you need to know is contained in my other responses. You will read/understand them differently once things start to happen.
Remember to look out for the signals. That is what you have to mentally prepare for. That is what you have to take away from this whole interaction.
There is now too much interest in me and I may not be able to post until after event inititiation.
Inderdaad.quote:Op dinsdag 26 juni 2007 15:34 schreef UncleScorp het volgende:
Dit is idd een verhaal dat al een tijdje rondgonst op het net.
Het wordt dan meestal direct weer gelinkt aan de NWO, want de ganse wereld verenigd, tégen een buitenaardse vijand, is natuurlijk een ideaal moment om een Nieuwe Wereld Orde in te voeren ... someone's gotta be in charge, not ?
Een leuk idee voor een creatief iemand met teveel tijd om mee aan de gang te gaan in de komkommertijd.quote:
EXTRATERRESTRIAL ENEMY?
When this was written, over 30 years ago they acknowledged that this would be hard to convince the people of. Even with the UFO sightings that had already been put out. What has happened in the past 30 years?
Well, there have been "alien abductions", and many more UFO sightings. To top it off, there are UFO clubs where people who have "seen aliens" or "been abducted" can get together for conventions.
To top that off, we have had over 25 years of Star Trek, which has enforced a one world government. Throughout both series and the movies they have the "New Age" philosophy. (New Age will be the only philosophy accepted by the NWO) These folks have all kinds of experience with various races on other planets. see: Dirty Watchtower Secrets. // Like Father Like Son: George W. Bush and the Fake Alien Invasion
Star Wars has also conditioned people to believe in a "galaxy far far away". These reinforce extra terrestrial life on other planets. The two movies, "V" and "V the Final Battle" and then the series shows and invasion from another planet. The movie "Alien" shows this also.
The world would have to unite, should the "movies and television programs" come to life with a "real" enemy. see: "War of the Worlds" Mind Control Experiment - New World Order Test Run
quote:This is a test
There is no government knowledge of ETI
There is no operation underway
All information that appeared in this thread is false
The information should be deleted immediately
There is no need to store the information
The public should not be aroused by the false information here
There is no operative named Ghost Raven
Aussie Bloke en Titor hielden het langer vol.quote:
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