[Centraal] Irak na de oorlog - deel 38

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Op maandag 28 juli 2008 15:36 schreef Wheelgunner het volgende:

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Er komt gegarandeerd een permanente basis in Irak, met toestemming van de Irakese overheid, dat weet ik wel zeker. Vergelijkbaar met de bases in Duitsland, Japan en Turkije.

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Op woensdag 17 september 2008 17:03 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:
Men had vanaf het begin al meer troepen moeten sturen maar dat wou rummy niet

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Op woensdag 17 september 2008 17:03 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:
Men had vanaf het begin al meer troepen moeten sturen maar dat wou rummy niet

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Op woensdag 17 september 2008 19:38 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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Men had vanaf het begin geen troepen moeten sturen...

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Op woensdag 17 september 2008 19:39 schreef Yildiz het volgende:

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Rummy zei ook dat het maar 6 weken zou duren. De leugenaar.

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Op woensdag 17 september 2008 19:42 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:

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Ok maar als je het dan toch doet er ook vol voor gaan

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Op woensdag 17 september 2008 19:50 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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Ideologen, hè. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Shinseki

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GEN. SHINSEKI: I would say that what's been mobilized to this point -- something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers are probably, you know, a figure that would be required. We're talking about post-hostilities control over a piece of geography that's fairly significant, with the kinds of ethnic tensions that could lead to other problems. And so it takes a significant ground- force presence

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Op dinsdag 16 september 2008 23:09 schreef zakjapannertje het volgende:

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http://www.wereldomroep.nl/actua/regio/amerikas/080916-petraeus

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Satellite images show ethnic cleanout in Iraq
[..] The extent to which the troop build-up helped halt Iraq's slide into sectarian civil war has been debated, particularly in the United States, with supporters of the surge saying it was the main contributing factor, and others arguing it was simply one of a number of factors.

"Our findings suggest that the surge has had no observable effect, except insofar as it has helped to provide a seal of approval for a process of ethno-sectarian neighborhood homogenization that is now largely achieved," Agnew's team wrote in their report. [..]

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[..] A study of the Pentagon's satellite imagery concludes that ethnic cleansing -- not last year's surge of U.S. military forces -- is the main factor in the reduction of violence in Iraq. [..]
"Geographers and social scientists find it increasingly difficult to intervene in debates about vital matters of public interest, such as the Iraq war, because of the ideological polarization and lack of respect for empirical analysis that have afflicted US politics in recent years." The Raw Story

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Op dinsdag 30 september 2008 11:29 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Morgen krijgen de soennitische milities hun salaris van de sjiitische overheid.

Leuk.

Binnenkort, het is de bedoeling althans, het wordt steeds uitgesteld, moet men gaan stemmen over het lot van Kirkoek. Peshmerga en Iraakse militairen vechten soms al met elkaar.

Leuk.

Ondanks het idee dat die 'Surge' het geweld heeft gestopt, grotendeels... de problemen, e onderliggende problemen zijn er nog. En staan op het punt te exploderen. Niet dat het per se gebeurt, maar de kans is erg groot.

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Op zondag 20 oktober 2013 20:39 schreef Specularium het volgende:
Kick.

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Suicide Bombing in Iraq Kills 45 in Busy Cafe

A suicide bomber slammed his explosive-laden car Sunday night into a busy cafe in Iraq's capital, part of a day of violence across the country that killed 45 people, authorities said.

The bombing at the cafe in Baghdad's primarily Shiite Amil neighborhood happened as it was full of customers. The cafe and a nearby juice shop is a favorite hang out in the neighborhood for young people, who filled the area at the time of the explosions.

Another 45 people were wounded in the attack, Iraqi officials said.

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Fallujah government buildings attacked

Iraqi officials say a coordinated attack involving two suicide bombers and several gunmen has killed five policemen in a former Al-Qaeda stronghold.

A police officer says one bomber detonated his explosives-laden belt at the main checkpoint outside police headquarters in the central city of Fallujah on Monday morning.

The second bomber blew himself up near the building gates as security forces engaged in a shootout with the gunmen, who later fled the scene.

The attack also wounded nine policemen.

A medical official confirmed the causality figures. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to media. Bron

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Suicide, militant attacks kill at least 16 in western Iraq

Ramadi, IRAQ (Reuters) - Suicide and militant attacks in Iraq's western province of Anbar killed at least 16 members of the security forces late on Tuesday, police sources said.

At least 35 security forces were wounded, the sources said. Bron

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Study: US Invasion Caused 500,000 Iraqi Deaths

Nearly half-a-million Iraqis have died as a result of the 2003 US-led invasion, according to a new academic study whose figures are more than twice larger than previous estimates which were not as comprehensive.

An estimated 405,000 total deaths were a direct result of the war and an additional 55,805 were attributed to Iraqi refugee deaths as people fled violence in the country according to the study, which was done by US, Canadian and Iraqi researchers and published in a PLOS Medicine journal.

It adds that gunshots caused 63 percent of violent deaths, car bombs accounted for 12 percent and other explosions 9 percent. Gunshots death were prevalent from March 1, 2003 to December 31, 2008, and dropped “precipitously thereafter,” the journal says.

US-led coalition forces were responsible for 35 percent of violent war-related deaths and militias were responsible for 32 percent; coalition forces were responsible for killing the most women and militia were responsible for most adult male deaths.

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A recent poll commissioned by British Media in July 2013 shows that most Britons believe the death toll was 5,000 or less. “That figure is so staggeringly, mind-blowingly at odds with reality as to leave a journalist who worked long and hard to bring home the reality of the war speechless,” Alex Thompson, a UK Channel 4 reporter, wrote in May of this year. Most Americans believe the death toll from the war to be around 10,000.

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Op woensdag 23 oktober 2013 05:59 schreef zakjapannertje het volgende:

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landsgrenzen zijn sowieso al onzinnig

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Op woensdag 30 oktober 2013 10:54 schreef Charismatisch het volgende:
Volgens een Iraakse bron hebben:

1201 Palestijnen/Jordaniërs zichzelf opgeblazen in Irak.
300 Saoediërs.
250 Jemenieten.
200 Syriërs.
99 Egyptenaren.
44 Tunesiërs.
40 Libiërs.
20 Qatar/Bahrein/VAE.

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Op woensdag 30 oktober 2013 11:44 schreef drheisenberg het volgende:

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Palestijnen zijn een smerig terroristisch volk. Het waren de hondjes van de tyfus flikker Saddam Hussein. Palestijnse commandanten (Republiekeinse Garde) waren gevestigd in de Koerdische steden om de Koerden te vermoorden. Koerden werden uit hun huizen gezet in olierijke Koerdische steden zoals Kirkuk, en Palestijnen werden er voor in de plaats gezet.

Logisch dat die honden naar Irak kwamen om zich op te blazen. Want Saddam was Soennitisch, en nu zijn de Sjieten aan de macht.

Cijfers verbazen mij totaal niet.

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Op woensdag 30 oktober 2013 12:13 schreef Peunage het volgende:

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Maak er nou niet meer van dan wat het is. Saddam Hoessein heeft meer voor de Palestijnen gedaan dan welke andere Arabische leider dan ook. Dat is het enige wat telt. Irak is volgens mij het enige Arabische land dat ze ook staatsburger maakte. Ze leefden in de beste wijken in de grote steden, hadden de mooiste huizen, beste baantjes(ja ook bij de republikeinse guarde inderdaad), etc. Daarom houden ze zoveel van hem. Ja, hij heeft zijn volk vermoord en achtergesteld, maar daar staat tegenover dat andere landen min of meer van de Iraakse olie geleefd hebben.

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Op woensdag 30 oktober 2013 12:20 schreef drheisenberg het volgende:

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Het gaat mij erom dat dat achterlijke, smerige, double-faced volk constant mensen onderdrukt (bijvoorbeeld de Koerden), maar janken wanneer de rechtmatige bewoners van Israel (de Joden) claimen wat van hen is en altijd is geweest en zeggen dat ze ''onderdrukt worden'', terwijl zij zelf mee hebben geholpen aan een genocide (Al-Anfal Genocide).

Maar nee, dat maakt nu niet uit, want ''Saddam was goed voor ze'' . Achterlijk kind, het gaat niet om of Saddam goed voor ze was, maar om wat zij hebben gedaan. Palestijnen hebben Koerden onderdrukt en misbruik gemaakt van de situatie van de Koerden, en nu behoren zij dus ook tot het volk met het grootst aantal TERRORISTEN.

Eerst terrorizeerden zij de Joden (Holocaust, yep, daar waren Falestijnen bij betrokken).
Toen de Koerden (Al-Anfal)
En nu de Sjietische Arabieren.

Maar nee hoor, het is nooit de schuld van dat verzonnen volk , maar van anderen .

Triestheid x eenmiljoenbiljardtriljoen .

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Op woensdag 30 oktober 2013 13:48 schreef Peunage het volgende:

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Zit niet zo dom te lullen mafkees. Niemand heeft het over schuld gehad. Saddam is een dictator, en dat weten zij ook. De enige reden dat zij hem steunden was omdat hij goed voor ze zorgde. Dat heeft verder helemaal niks met de Koerden, Israël of de Holocaust te maken. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Jij beoordeelt alles en iedereen op 1 ding; wat is hun relatie met de Koerden? Als ze vrienden waren zijn ze automatisch goed, als het vijanden waren zijn ze automatisch slecht. En dat is dus precies hoe Palestijnen het ook zien. Waarom zouden ze niet van iemand houden die ze meer gegeven heeft dan zijn eigen volk? Geld, bezittingen, burgerschap, veiligheid, status en hij schoot raketten af op hun vijanden.

Zoals jij Palestijnen bij voorbaat al beschrijft als 'terroristen', zo kijkt de Palestijn in de Republikeinse Guarde ook naar Koerden. Eigenlijk zou jij het heel goed moeten vinden met Palestijnen.

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Have Patience With Us
The Iraqi Prime Minister’s Plea to Americans

By NURI KAMAL al-MALIKI

Imagine how Americans would react if you had a terrorist organization operating on your own soil that killed dozens and maimed hundreds every week. For Iraqis, that isn’t a hypothetical question; Al Qaeda in Iraq and its affiliates are conducting a terrorist campaign against our people.

These terrorists aren’t just Iraq’s enemies. They are also America’s enemies. That is why, when I meet with President Obama on Friday, I plan to propose a deeper security relationship between the United States and Iraq to combat terrorism and address broader regional security concerns, including the conflict in Syria and the threat that proliferation of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons could pose in the region.

It has been almost two years since American troops withdrew from Iraq. And despite the terrorist threats we face, we are not asking for American boots on the ground. Rather, we urgently want to equip our own forces with the weapons they need to fight terrorism, including helicopters and other military aircraft so that we can secure our borders and protect our people. Hard as it is to believe, Iraq doesn’t have a single fighter jet to protect its airspace.

The United States is our security partner of choice, so we have been working with the U.S. government and American defense firms to procure the equipment we need. We see this as helping to solidify a relationship that we want to remain the cornerstone of our security strategy. Iraqis are grateful for the great sacrifices Americans have made on behalf of our country. But Iraq today is no longer a protectorate; it is a partner in what President Obama has described as “a normal relationship based on mutual interests and mutual respect.”

These mutual interests include combating terrorism and resolving the conflict in Syria. The war in Syria has become a magnet that attracts sectarian extremists and terrorists from various parts of the world and gathers them in our neighborhood, with many slipping across our all-too-porous borders. We do not want Syria or Iraq to become bases for Al Qaeda operations, and neither does the United States.

While the world sees Syria as a humanitarian tragedy, we also see an immediate threat to the security of our own country. Al Qaeda is engaged in a renewed, concerted campaign to foment sectarian violence and drive a wedge between our people. We will not let that happen again.

Because we do not want Syria to continue to attract violent extremists, much less cause a regional conflagration, our top priority is to end the bloodshed and achieve a negotiated settlement. The Iraqi government is serious about not allowing our own citizens to arm any side of the Syrian conflict.

We are also committed to preventing the territory, the waterways and, yes, the airspace of our country from being used by any outside entity to fuel the conflict in Syria. But, with many better-armed neighbors and no air force or air defenses to speak of, our ability to enforce this policy is limited. This is one of many reasons we are urgently seeking to improve our air defense capabilities.

After some initial differences, American and Iraqi policies toward Syria are converging. We are pleased by the agreement to eliminate Syria’s chemical weapons and eager to support it in any way we can. No country would be more threatened than Iraq if these awful weapons fell into the hands of terrorists.

In our region, we worry not just about chemical weapons, but all weapons of mass destruction. We strongly support gradually transforming the Middle East into a nuclear-weapon-free-zone. And to underscore our commitment to this goal, Iraq recently became the 161st nation to ratify the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.

As we combat violent extremism, we are striving to create and improve our vibrant democracy. Iraqis understand and respect the difference between terrorist attacks and peaceful protests. While resisting terrorists and militias, our government is responding to peaceful protesters by engaging in extensive dialogue through the formation of high-level coordinating committees, and we are working to address the demands of protesters. Since the end of Saddam Hussein’s tyranny in 2003, we have conducted more than five free elections, cementing our democracy and creating a coalition government that represents every region and religious group.

Ultimately, the answer to terrorism is progress. We have one of the world’s fastest-growing economies; it expanded by 9.6 percent in 2011 and 10.5 percent in 2012. Our oil production has increased by 50 percent since 2005, and we are expected to emerge as the world’s second largest energy exporter by 2030. We are reinvesting our energy revenues in rebuilding our infrastructure and reviving our education and health care systems. As we rebuild, Iraqis can be promising partners for American companies in all of these fields.

Iraq has matured into a country with democratic institutions. But we are in need of more training, education, practice — and patience.

We are on the road to security, democracy and prosperity. While we still have a long way to go, we want to walk that road together with the United States.

Nuri Kamal al-Maliki is the prime minister of Iraq.

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Op woensdag 30 oktober 2013 10:54 schreef Charismatisch het volgende:
Volgens een Iraakse bron hebben:

1201 Palestijnen/Jordaniërs zichzelf opgeblazen in Irak.
300 Saoediërs.
250 Jemenieten.
200 Syriërs.
99 Egyptenaren.
44 Tunesiërs.
40 Libiërs.
20 Qatar/Bahrein/VAE.

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Op donderdag 31 oktober 2013 17:28 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:

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Bron graag? Ik ben benieuwd hoeveel Irakezen daar dan weer bij zitten.

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Op donderdag 31 oktober 2013 17:43 schreef Charismatisch het volgende:

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De bron is een Iraakse krant.

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De Iraakse premier verweerde zich tegen Amerikaanse kritiek dat Iran het Iraakse luchtruim gebruikt om wapens naar Damascus te vervoeren. Hij wees er fijntjes op dat Irak geen gevechtsvliegtuigen heeft die Iraanse vliegtuigen zouden kunnen onderscheppen. Het Amerikaanse Congres heeft de levering hiervan steeds geblokkeerd.

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Op vrijdag 1 november 2013 19:27 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:

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Bedankt. Jammer zat ze geen Iraakse aantallen noemen, ik ben benieuwd hoe de verhoudingen zijn.

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Op donderdag 7 november 2013 22:50 schreef drheisenberg het volgende:

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Waarschijnlijk heel erg laag. De Irakezen zelf waren ''insurgents'' (die het gewapend verzet boden, in Fallujah, Baghdad, enz.). Niet zelfmoordterroristen.