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  woensdag 18 juni 2003 @ 16:33:13 #1
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In Angola, A Jetliner's Vanishing Act
Boeing 727 Is Subject Of Search, U.S. Worry

The Boeing 727 had not budged from its parking place at the airport in Angola's capital city for 14 months, so when the jetliner started taxiing down the runway, the men in the control tower radioed the pilot for an explanation. There was no reply from the cockpit, even after the plane rumbled to a takeoff into the African skies.

The plane has been missing since it took off from the Luanda airport around dinnertime on May 25, setting off a continent-wide search for its whereabouts that includes the CIA, the State Department and a number of African nations. Their fear is that terrorists could stage a replay of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, using the plane in a suicide attack somewhere in Africa.

U.S. authorities say it is likely the airplane was filched as part of a business dispute or financial scam. But even so, they say, there is a danger that unscrupulous people in control of a plane that size could make it available to arms or gem smugglers, guerrilla movements or terrorists.

It has been a commonplace for decades in Africa for the paperwork on commercial aircraft, especially small and mid-sized planes, to be dodgy, and for regulation to be extremely lax, industry officials said. Planes continually change ownership, and the aprons of some African airstrips are littered with wrecked aircraft stripped for parts.

But losing a 153-foot, 200,000-pound aircraft is no common occurrence.

"I haven't come across this before in 22 years in this business," said Chris Yates, a civil aviation security analyst for the private Jane's Aviation service. "It is not a stretch to think this plane could end up in the hands of terrorists. A number of companies involved in gun running [and other crimes] in Africa have indirect ties to various terrorist groups."

In the post-Sept. 11 world, even the possibility that terrorists could obtain a large aircraft prompts intensive government scrutiny. U.S. officials are alarmed because large swaths of Africa are under heightened alert for terrorism. Last month, 42 people, including 13 terrorists, died in a series of orchestrated suicide bombings in Casablanca, Morocco. In November, 16 people, including three terrorists, died in the bombing of an Israeli-owned hotel in Mombasa, Kenya.

Western intelligence officials say al Qaeda operatives are known to be casing possible targets in Kenya and other East African nations. On May 15, British officials suspended flights to and from Kenya after raising the perceived threat to its commercial flights there to the highest level, "imminent."

Homeland Security Department officials said that given the likelihood that thieves and not al Qaeda are behind the 727's disappearance, there is no cause for grave alarm.

"Yes, there is concern, and an ongoing search, but it is not one that could be described as a desperate search," said Homeland Security Department spokesman Brian Roehrkasse.

U.S. spy satellites have snapped pictures of remote airstrips throughout Africa, starting with ones that are within half a fuel tank's distance from Luanda's "4 de Fevereiro" International Airport. The 28-year-old 727 had taken on 14,000 gallons of A-1 jet fuel shortly before it departed.

U.S. embassy personnel are traveling around Africa to ask host aviation ministries for any sign of the aircraft. "They haven't seen hide nor hair of it," said one government official. "It's so odd."

A large number of people and companies have owned, leased or subleased the aircraft in recent years. U.S. officials say that a few have been involved in shady endeavors. One firm recently involved in owning or leasing it, a U.S. official said, "has a history of allowing aircraft to be used by people for illegal things."

According to the private Airclaims airplane database, the 727's current owner is a Miami-based firm called Aerospace Sales & Leasing Co., which bought it in 2001 after it was flown by American Airlines for decades. In 1997, Aerospace Sales's president, Maury Joseph, was barred from running any publicly traded firm after he was convicted of forging documents and defrauding investors by exaggerating the profits of another company he ran, Florida West Airlines.

Joseph's son, Lance Joseph, said the company has committed no wrong. He said a firm that had leased the plane from Aerospace Sales -- a company whose name he said he couldn't recall -- had removed the seats and replaced them with fuel tanks. It flew the 727 to Luanda with a plan to deliver fuel to remote African airfields, he said.

According to the Airclaims database, a company called Irwin Air had planned to buy the 727 last month. No more information could be learned about the company.

Helder Preza, Angola's aviation director, told the Portuguese radio network RDP that the plane arrived in Luanda in March 2002, but that authorities prevented it from flying on because "the documentation we held did not pertain to the aircraft in question."

Angolan officials also demanded stiff ramp fees as well as settlement of private liens on the 727, Joseph said. Aerospace Sales was settling the disputes and planning to repossess the aircraft and fly it away when the 727 -- one of about 1,100 worldwide -- disappeared, he said.

Joseph also said that in recent months a former Aerospace Sales associate with whom he has had bitter financial disputes, Miami aircraft broker Mike Gabriel, had been in Africa stating that he planned to stop the plane's repossession and make a claim on it.

In the 1980s, Gabriel was convicted of importing 5,000 pounds of marijuana. He did not return messages left at his office requesting comment, and his attorney, Jack Attias, declined to comment.

Preza, the Angolan official, said that "the owner of the aircraft contacted us saying he wished to fly out of Angola." Then, he added, a man who presented himself as "the legitimate representative of the aircraft's owner'' -- a man Preza described as a U.S. citizen but whom he declined to name -- entered the aircraft. Moments later, Preza said, the man flew the plane away.

"The person who flew out the plane was no stranger to the aircraft," Preza said.

Another twist in the case is that the State Department is asking its diplomats in Africa, in searching for the 727, to ask host governments whether they have any information about two men that its cables say "reportedly" own the plane -- Ben Padilla and John Mikel Mutantu. The men are not listed as owners on any public database, and no other information about them was available.

Aviation expert Yates said the plane might never be located. "I suspect it's disappeared into the murky world of African aviation," he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7403-2003Jun17.html?nav=hptop_tb


Terrorisme of gewoon diefstal?
dit verhaal zal nog wel een staartje krijgen

"Arabs: apart from oil - which was discovered, is produced and is paid for by the West - what do they contribute?" "Can you think of anything? Anything really useful?... No, nor can I..."
pi_11196520
Aliens denk ik
  woensdag 18 juni 2003 @ 16:37:53 #3
17075 extreme
-wannahave-
pi_11196609
zo een dus:

zelfde type als bij de aanslag op de twin towers,


lastig kwijtraken, er zijn volgens mij maar een beperkt aantal vliegvelden waar je zo'n ding kan landen..

Too often, we lose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and bitch-slap that mother@#?!&! upside the head.
  Moderator woensdag 18 juni 2003 @ 16:38:17 #4
14679 crew  sp3c
Geef me die goud!!!
pi_11196617
heel verhaal

mwah zal gewoon diefstal zijn ... misschien dat de koper er later een aanval mee gaat plegen maar verder lijkt mij nog nix aan het handje.

edit:"I suspect it's disappeared into the murky world of African aviation," "... fantastische quote

Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
  woensdag 18 juni 2003 @ 16:42:18 #5
17075 extreme
-wannahave-
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quote:
Op woensdag 18 juni 2003 16:38 schreef sp3c het volgende:
mwah zal gewoon diefstal
blijft de vraag, waar laat je zo'n ding? ff overspuiten en een ander kenteken gaat niet op met een dergelijk vliegtuig
Too often, we lose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and bitch-slap that mother@#?!&! upside the head.
  Moderator woensdag 18 juni 2003 @ 16:43:22 #6
14679 crew  sp3c
Geef me die goud!!!
pi_11196769
quote:
Op woensdag 18 juni 2003 16:42 schreef extreme het volgende:

[..]

blijft de vraag, waar laat je zo'n ding? ff overspuiten en een ander kenteken gaat niet op met een dergelijk vliegtuig


onderdelen eruit plunderen en verkopen aan KLM oid en dan het frame zelf dumpen op 1 of ander vliegtuigkerkhof daar in de jungle
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
  woensdag 18 juni 2003 @ 16:55:59 #7
16625 robh
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Topic even ontdaan van de offtopic reacties. Ondanks dat het bericht beetje gedateerd is mag er best een topic over geopend worden.

En voor de liefhebbers: dat het bericht op de Frontpage staat/stond betekent niet dat er hier geen topic over mag lopen

Martin Drent, onze profeet.
Vol gas met Burdy!
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Pimpen met je FOK!-tag
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bin laden ???????
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Stel dat ze er al een aanslag mee willen plegen op Amerika probeer dan maar is in de buurt te komen. Een onaangemelde vlucht komt niet zo snel dat land binnen en oceaan genoeg om 'm er boven neer te halen mocht ie lastig doen.
X
X
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  woensdag 18 juni 2003 @ 17:56:00 #10
15486 Ernst
Ziet het donker in
pi_11198823
quote:
Op woensdag 18 juni 2003 17:50 schreef Frasier het volgende:
Stel dat ze er al een aanslag mee willen plegen op Amerika probeer dan maar is in de buurt te komen.
Er zijn ook genoeg doelen in Afrika.
  woensdag 18 juni 2003 @ 18:00:51 #11
6941 APK
Factual, I think.
pi_11198900
quote:
Op woensdag 18 juni 2003 16:37 schreef extreme het volgende:
zo een dus:

[afbeelding]

zelfde type als bij de aanslag op de twin towers,


Volgens mij waren dat 757 of 767's toch

Dit is echt een oudje.

Who the fuck can sleep with all this shit going on?
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quote:
Op woensdag 18 juni 2003 18:00 schreef APK het volgende:

[..]

Volgens mij waren dat 757 of 767's toch

Dit is echt een oudje.


757
  woensdag 18 juni 2003 @ 19:27:56 #13
32686 G1Ace
Be only the best you can be
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quote:
Op woensdag 18 juni 2003 18:00 schreef APK het volgende:

[..]

Volgens mij waren dat 757 of 767's toch

Dit is echt een oudje.


idd
August 1998- March 2018
The exile ends, and a hero will return home
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Beste Bazza,

Je hoeft je niet meer druk te maken big brother bemoeit zich er nu al mee.

quote:
http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6619968%255E401,00.html

US seeks stolen jet
From correspondents in Washington
19jun03
THE United States today said it was working with African nations to hunt down a 727 passenger jet stolen in Angola last month, amid fears it may be used in a reprise of the September 11 attacks


  Moderator donderdag 19 juni 2003 @ 21:20:28 #15
14679 crew  sp3c
Geef me die goud!!!
pi_11230402
vinden ze toch niet meer, als ze dat ding nu nog niet gestript hebben dan eet ik mijn schoenen op
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
pi_11230458
vliegen met zo`n ding gaat niet echt onopgemerkt

zodra hij buiten een vliegroute komt zijn er al genoeg radars die hem oppikken en als verdacht aanmerken

elk marineschip dat rondvaart let ook op vliegtuigen die buiten vliegroutes zitten, dus ver zullen ze niet komen als ze iets van plan zijn

Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.
  vrijdag 20 juni 2003 @ 18:50:11 #17
8502 BAZZA
Was de dader een Marokkaan?
pi_11252598
De Amerikaanse piloot is ook verdwenen, zijn familie denkt dat hij gedwongen is het vliegtuig te verplaatsen en nog altijd ontvoert is volgens de krant van vandaag...
"Arabs: apart from oil - which was discovered, is produced and is paid for by the West - what do they contribute?" "Can you think of anything? Anything really useful?... No, nor can I..."
  Moderator vrijdag 20 juni 2003 @ 20:04:51 #18
14679 crew  sp3c
Geef me die goud!!!
pi_11253977
zal wel dood zijn dan
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
  vrijdag 20 juni 2003 @ 20:15:57 #19
3288 MikeyMo
jou are een essol!
pi_11254247
Ik zal eens kijken bij mij op zolder of ie daar ligt
[b]Op vrijdag 7 november 2008 08:54 schreef santax het volgende:[/b]
[..]
Blij dat er nog mensen hier zijn waar ik me wel in herken.
U, meneer MikeyMo, bent mijn nieuwe FOK!-held _O_
  Moderator vrijdag 20 juni 2003 @ 20:31:04 #20
14679 crew  sp3c
Geef me die goud!!!
pi_11254595
die piloot of dat toestel
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
  maandag 30 juni 2003 @ 03:42:34 #21
18807 Tha_Mav
yeah right whatever
pi_11457267
Kenia
R.I.P. -=[BIGHEADS]=-
pi_11457273
Toch issie al een tijdje verdwenen. .
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quote:
Op maandag 30 juni 2003 03:42 schreef Tha_Mav het volgende:
Kenia
Waarom denk je dat?
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Is David Copperfield weer bezig geweest?
  woensdag 2 juli 2003 @ 11:33:05 #25
3647 B.R.Oekhoest
Taalpotpourrist Berend Rinus
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Hier zit vast Rastapopolous weer achter, ongetwijfeld met hulp van Allan.
De moraal zit in een crisis, niemand weet meer wat van wie is.
Mijn broer Tinus zeker niet; de minkukel neemt steeds ongevraagd bezit van mijn FOK!account. Beste vent wel verder, overigens: http://fotoboek.fok.nl/Tinus_O..
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