23 Russische diplomaten worden uitgewezen uit GB ivm vergiftigingen

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Op donderdag 15 maart 2018 11:06 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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UK gaat uit de EU en nu gaan ze snel richting USA op.

Hoe doorzichtig!

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Op donderdag 15 maart 2018 11:07 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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Hier verraad je toch echt hoe gruwelijk slecht je op de hoogte bent.

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Op donderdag 15 maart 2018 11:07 schreef Ludachrist het volgende:

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Een gas? Dat lijkt mij onwaarschijnlijk.

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Op donderdag 15 maart 2018 11:08 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Tuurlijk joh.
Maar loop jij maar lekker achter die hysterische oorlogsmenners aan.
Je doet je best maar...

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Op donderdag 15 maart 2018 11:09 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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Is ook onjuist. Het was een vaste stof waarmee de tafel waaraan ze zaten te eten was bewerkt.

Iedereen in de pizzatent alsmede de first responders zijn ermee in aanraking gekomen. Ongeveer 30 mensen in totaal.

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Op donderdag 15 maart 2018 11:01 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:
de hysterische burger

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Op donderdag 15 maart 2018 11:11 schreef polderturk het volgende:

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Wow.
En zijn ze allemaal ziek geworden?

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Op donderdag 15 maart 2018 11:12 schreef Ringo het volgende:

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Iets zegt me dat je het nu over jezelf hebt, met je overdekopgeslagen samenzweringstheorieën.

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Op donderdag 15 maart 2018 11:14 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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Ik lees nu trouwens dat de stof ook in de pub is aangetroffen die ze daarvoor hadden aangedaan. Dus waarschijnlijk is het iets geweest wat ze al bij zich hadden of ze zijn er op 2 plekken aan bloot gesteld.

38 Mensen zijn ervoor in het ziekenhuis opgenomen, waarvan 34 alweer ontslagen. Eentje wordt er nog gemonitord in een thuis situatie. De andere 3 zijn Skripal, zijn dochter en de eerste politieagent ter plaatse.

In totaal is 500 mensen geadviseerd al hun spullen (en zichzelf) grondig te wassen.
Dat is best een grote groep die er potentieel aan is blootgesteld.

Dan snap je ook wel waaorm de regering zo reageert.

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Op donderdag 15 maart 2018 16:27 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Dan zou je daar de zwaarste vergiftigingen verwachten, maar de agent die in het ziekenhuis ligt was naar het huis van Skripal gegaan.

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Op donderdag 15 maart 2018 17:30 schreef kalinhos het volgende:

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Dat was toch de agent die ze als eerste vond (buiten die burger) op dat bankje?

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But the Guardian understands that the police officer taken ill, DS Nick Bailey, may have fallen ill after visiting his home, suggesting that the house remains crucial.

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Op donderdag 15 maart 2018 11:14 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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Ik lees nu trouwens dat de stof ook in de pub is aangetroffen die ze daarvoor hadden aangedaan. Dus waarschijnlijk is het iets geweest wat ze al bij zich hadden of ze zijn er op 2 plekken aan bloot gesteld.

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Op donderdag 15 maart 2018 19:10 schreef polderturk het volgende:
Trump denkt ook dat de russen achter de vergiftiging zitten.

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Op woensdag 14 maart 2018 14:33 schreef J.A.R.V.I.S. het volgende:
0 bewijs maar toch uitwijzen? En daarbij, anderen (meerderheid) straffen omdat je een vermoeden hebt?

Ow wee als dit moslims waren geweest, dan was Europa in rep en roer. Russen uitzetten omdat het Russen zijn, en ze niet beoordelen op hun daden, was daar recent in Amerika niet een beetje ophef over toen bepaalde mensen geweerd werden?

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Chemists synthesizing the agent would have to be working somewhere with an antidote close at hand, he said, and they would have to be working with someone who knew how to weaponize it, which, he emphasized, he himself did not.

“We had no idea how to weaponize it,” he said. “We don’t know because it’s not our business.”

Weaponization would also need to take place at a different facility from the one where the agent was made, he said.

Mirzayanov said the perpetrator of the attack must have been the Russian state.

“No one country has these capabilities like Russia, because Russia invented, tested and weaponized novichok,” he said.

The theory that the agent was stolen for use in a crime was weak for similar reasons, Mirzayanov said.

“If you steal it, and after that, what to do with that?” he said. “You cannot weaponize, no exceptions, you cannot weaponize that.”

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“If you steal it, and after that, what to do with that?” he said. “You cannot weaponize, no exceptions, you cannot weaponize that.”

Mirzayanov further said that there was probably no current stockpile of novichok to steal, because it has a limited shelf life and the preferred form would be a binary version in which two relatively benign, non-banned substances were mixed to produce novichok.

“The final product, in storage, after one year is already losing 2%, 3%. The next year more, and the next year more. In 10-15 years, it’s no longer effective.”

Mirzayanov worked inside the secret military installation where novichok was developed; his job was testing the surrounding air and soil for traces of novichok.

When he realized that Moscow’s military was lying about the possible applications of novichok and that the program risked undermining global chemical weapons bans, he said, he decided to expose it, publishing his first account in the Russian press in 1991.

He was arrested in 1994 and charged with divulging state secrets. Intervention by the US government, the Soros foundation and activists including his wife Gale, an American, secured his asylum in the United States.

Mirzayanov thinks the Salisbury attack was performed with a binary version of the agent brought through customs and automatically mixed at the time of the attack.

“I believe they brought binary version,” Mirzayanov said. “It’s two ampules, small containers, like a big bullet, put them together in a spray or something, and after that, some mechanism which is mixing them, a couple seconds and after that you’re shooting.”

Mirzayanov said the danger for people in the area of the attack before or afterward would depend on the dosage used. “It’s extremely poisonous, about 10 times more potent than VX gas,” he said. “It could touch any skin and in a couple minutes would take effect.”

The first sign of exposure is a shrinkage of pupils and darkening of vision, he said. “After that vomiting, [difficulty] breathing and convulsions.”

An antidote can delay or partially reverse the effects of the poison but would not necessarily save the life of the victim, he said.

Mirzayanov said he did not feel fear for himself or his family in speaking about novichok and Russia.

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Op woensdag 14 maart 2018 15:54 schreef polderturk het volgende:

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De Engelse hooligans zullen daar in de pan gehakt worden. Die Russische hooligans zijn getrainde vechters. Ze spreken daar wekelijks af in de bossen om te vechten. Het resultaat heb je in Frankrijk tijdens het WK kunnen zien.

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Op woensdag 14 maart 2018 15:02 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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Novichok zenuwgassen zijn uniek voor RuslandSovietunie,

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Op zaterdag 17 maart 2018 18:47 schreef up7 het volgende:

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Een heel belangrijke nuancering, zeker in het licht van de huidige relatie tussen Rusland en de Oekraïne.

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August 18, 1941. A date which will live in infamy. No — the date is correct. That was the first known attack on the Ukrainian energy grid by Russia.

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UK finance, power and water on highest alert as threat of Russian cyber reprisal grows

Banks, energy and water companies are on maximum alert over the threat of a serious cyber-attack from Moscow as concern continues over the safety of Russian exiles in the UK.

Fears that Russia will target Britain’s critical national infrastructure have prompted round-the-clock threat assessments by the UK’s financial sector, energy firms and GCHQ, the UK’s largest intelligence agency, along with the security services MI5 and MI6.

The Bank of England, major financiers, including Lloyds, and organisations such as Water UK are working with the government’s National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC) to assess the next move from Moscow following the murder of Nikolai Glushkov, 68, and the Salisbury chemical attack.

Scotland Yard on Saturday issued a renewed appeal for information for anyone who may have seen a burgundy red BMW owned by Sergei Skripal, 66, the former Russian spy who was found unconscious on 4 March in Salisbury along with his daughter, Yulia. The pair were poisoned with a nerve agent and remain critical but stable in hospital.

Glushkov, a businessman and a known critic of President Vladimir Putin, was found strangled at his home in London last week. Police across Britain have begun contacting Russian exiles to discuss their safety as they investigate the murder of Glushkov, understood to have been on a list of 22 “fugitives” published by the Russian embassy in London last year. Officers have yet to establish if there is a link between the attacks.

Intelligence officials, however, fear that Moscow may strike next using very different methods, referring to Russia’s involvement in the crippling NotPetya ransomware cyber-attack last year that targeted Ukraine’s financial, energy and government sectors before it spread across the world.

On Thursday the Trump administration accused Russia of engineering a series of cyber-attacks that targeted American and European nuclear power plants and water and electricity systems, the first time the United States has publicly accused Moscow of hacking into America’s energy infrastructure.

The UK’s NCSC is based inside GCHQ and notifies UK firms considered to be “critical national infrastructure” and the government of the latest threat level. It is monitoring significant Russian activity in the UK, though it is understood that no specific threat from Russia has emerged since the attempted murder of Skripal and his 33-year-old daughter and the murder of Glushkov. Robert Hannigan, a former director of GCHQ and the National Security Council, told the Observer that the NCSC was monitoring “very large volumes” of attacks every day on the UK, including its globally important financial services.

Hannigan, who was responsible for the UK’s first cyber strategy in 2009 and is now a senior associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, said that from his experience, which also includes three years as prime minister Tony Blair’s security adviser, he had never seen Russia so unpredictable and hostile. “In their [the Russians] current mood it’s hard to know what they will do. What’s different now is the willingness to be reckless, not to play by the rules that most civilised countries play by and not to worry about being found out. They no longer seem to care.”

Hannigan said they were continually detecting Russians on UK cyber networks. “They’re constantly being found on networks but it’s their intent that matters more than the fact they are there. The difficulty with cyber is that you can be on a network to gather intelligence or you can be on a network to do something destructive and the two look pretty much the same.”

A senior banking source, confirming that the sector was working closely with GCHQ and the security services to evaluate any threat from Russia, said they were also concerned about the risk of attack, not just from the Kremlin but from rogue elements caught up in the febrile climate that has prevailed since the Salisbury chemical attack. “It is possible that Russian patriots may take it upon themselves to make a point at a time like this,” said the source.

A Lloyds spokesman said: “We update and test our defences regularly and work closely with both industry bodies and law enforcement agencies to help us protect our customers.” A Water UK spokesperson, which represents the major water companies, said it was in regular contact with government officials to ensure its cyber defences were sufficiently robust. The UK government has floated the idea of fining organisations which fail to implement effective cyber security measures as part of plans to make Britain’s essential infrastructure resilient against future cyber-attacks. Beyza Unal, a research fellow at Chatham House’s international security department, said that the UK had been shoring up its defences in the face of the evolving cyber threat. “The UK has a really good cyber defence strategy planning as well as organisation, each sector talks to the government organisations,” she said.

Latest figures from the NCSC reveal more than 1,100 attacks over the past year, 590 significant. Thirty required action by government bodies, a number of which targeted the UK’s internationally important financial sector.

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The Conservative MP, Mark Harper, asked May on March 12:

Will she confirm that, if Her Majesty's government conclude that there was unlawful use of force by the Russian state, we possess a considerable range of offensive cyber-capabilities that we will not hesitate to deploy against that state, if it is necessary to keep our country safe?

To which the prime minister responded:

We, of course, will look at responses across a number of areas of activity, should it be ... that we conclude that this action does amount to an unlawful use of force by the Russian state here in the UK.

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It has been suggested that Amber Rudd, the home secretary, may have hinted at covert retaliation last week, saying: "You may not hear about it all but when we do see that there is action to be taken we will take it." The deployment of malware is a likely option, a senior Whitehall source said yesterday. "Offensive cyber would be something in the arsenal. It would be considered or even likely [selected]."