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  donderdag 10 augustus 2017 @ 10:19:34 #76
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The future is shit...
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4s.gif Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 00:16 schreef Stabiel het volgende:
Nieuw statement van Noord-Korea:

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Waarom sluit die brief af met -O- ?
And so is the past
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koryoinleiden twitterde op donderdag 10-08-2017 om 09:08:13 Ik ben zo te horen bij Wekker Wakker op Radio 5 als de techniek me niet in de steek laat. Vanuit Seoul. reageer retweet
http://www.nporadio5.nl/w(...)erika-en-noord-korea

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1s.gif Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 10:15 schreef vipergts het volgende:

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Ik vind het wel wat hebben als ze hier protesteren staat iedereen door elkaar heen en maken ze allemaal verschillende bewegingen.
Precies, dat soort landen weten tenminste hoe ze moeten protesteren.
Ja
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1s.gif Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 12:04 schreef Demon90 het volgende:

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Precies, dat soort landen weten tenminste hoe ze moeten protesteren.
Heb eerlijk gezegd eerder met fascinatie naar die livestream gekeken en die provocatie filmpjes paar maanden geleden. Alles is perfect georganiseerd, bizar.
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0s.gif Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 09:17 schreef truthortruth het volgende:
Creepy as fuck, die NK 'demonstratie' beelden.
Ja, en daar waar de camera niet komt is het één doffe ellende.

I´m back.
  Overall beste user 2022 donderdag 10 augustus 2017 @ 15:49:58 #81
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you aint no punk you punk
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7s.gif Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 00:27 schreef Geralt het volgende:
Nou dan voorspel ik alvast wat er gaat gebeuren. Die 4 raketten worden uit de lucht geknald, want die waren helemaal niet bedoeld om 40km voor de kust van Guam in het water te vallen. Die waren bedoeld om Guam te raken. Want dat is zo. Want dat wordt op het nieuws gezegd. Dus dat nemen we voor waar aan. Dus Amerika heeft een vrijbrief om whatever te doen, ze werden immers aangevallen.

Gevaarlijke tijden dit. Ben benieuwd hoe dit gaat uitpakken. :X
Zou jij het risico nemen?
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1s.gif Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 15:49 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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Zou jij het risico nemen?
als het aan mij lag hadden we inmiddels al wereldwijd een flink aantal grote parkeerplaatsen waar we pas over een jaar of 2000 onze auto kunnen parkeren. :+
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  donderdag 10 augustus 2017 @ 16:53:41 #83
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0s.gif Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 09:17 schreef truthortruth het volgende:
Creepy as fuck, die NK 'demonstratie' beelden.
Totally not robots.
Opgeblazen gevoel of winderigheid? Zo opgelost met Rennie!
  donderdag 10 augustus 2017 @ 16:53:41 #84
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Ik val liever op, dan af!
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0s.gif Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 00:37 schreef Nober het volgende:
Aan wiens kant staan China en Rusland?
Ik benieuwd, niet zozeer of zij een kant kiezen. Want ze kiezen hun eigen pad. Maar wat hun beleid ten aanzien van noord Korea is
"Als het niet kan zoals het moet, dan moet het maar zoals het kan."
Hierissiedan, hierissieweers huisje!
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Kleine geheimen dienen beschermd te worden.
Grote geheimen worden beschermd door publiek ongeloof.
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Nu Cuba nog.
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The Game Is Over and North Korea Has Won

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The Washington Post reported yesterday that North Korea has a large stockpile of compact nuclear weapons that can arm the country’s missiles, including its new intercontinental ballistic missiles that are capable of hitting the United States. That’s another way of saying: game over.

Also: I told you so.

There are really two assessments in the Post’s report. One, dated July 28, is that the intelligence community — not just the Defense Intelligence Agency, contrary to what you may have heard — “assesses North Korea has produced nuclear weapons for ballistic missile delivery, to include delivery by ICBM-class missiles.” The other assessment, published earlier in July, stated that North Korea had 60 nuclear weapons — higher than the estimates usually given in the press. Put them together, though, and its pretty clear that the window for denuclearizing North Korea, by diplomacy or by force, has closed.

These judgments are front-page news, but only because we’ve been living in collective denial. Both intelligence assessments are consistent with what the North Koreans have been saying for some time, for reasons I outlined in a column here at Foreign Policy immediately after the September 2016 nuclear test titled, “North Korea’s Nuke Program Is Way More Sophisticated Than You Think: This is now a serious nuclear arsenal that threatens the region and, soon, the continental United States.”

Authors rarely get to pick titles, and almost never like them, but I think the editors at FP got this one about right. It is about as subtle as a jackhammer, although even so the message didn’t seem to sink in.

Let’s walk through the evidence.

North Korea has conducted five nuclear tests. That is really quite a lot. Looking at other countries that have conducted five nuclear tests, our baseline expectation for North Korea should be that it has a nuclear weapon small enough to arm a ballistic missile and is well on its way toward testing a thermonuclear — yes, thermonuclear — weapon.

A lot of people got the wrong idea after North Korea’s first nuclear test failed, and subsequent nuclear tests seemed smaller than they should be. There was a common view that the North Koreans, well, kind of sucked at making nuclear weapons. That was certainly my first impression. But there was always another possibility, one that dawned on me gradually. According to a defector account, North Korea tried to skip right toward relatively advanced nuclear weapons that were compact enough to arm ballistic missiles and made use of relatively small amounts of plutonium. That should not have been surprising; both Iraq and Pakistan similarly skipped designing and testing a more cumbersome Fat Man-style implosion device. The disappointing yields of North Korea’s first few nuclear tests were not the result of incompetence, but ambition. So, while the world was laughing at North Korea’s first few nuclear tests, they were learning — a lot.

And then there is the issue of North Korea’s nuclear test site. North Korea tests its nuclear weapons in tunnels beneath very large mountains. When my research institute used topography data collected from space to build a 3-D model of the site, we realized that the mountains are so tall that they may be hiding how big the nuclear explosions are. Some of the “disappointments” may not have been disappointments at all, and the successes were bigger than we realized. I think the best interpretation of the available evidence is that North Korea accepted some technical risk early in its program to move more quickly toward missile-deliverable nuclear weapons.

The fact that North Korea’s nuclear weapons used less fissile material than we expected helps explain the second judgment that North Korea has more bombs than is usually reported. The defector claimed that North Korea’s first nuclear weapon contained only 4 kilograms of the limited supply of plutonium North Korea made, and continues to make, at its reactor at Yongbyon. (For a long while, experts claimed the reactor was not operating when thermal images plainly showed that it was.) The North Koreans themselves claimed the first test used only 2 kilograms of plutonium. Those claims struck many people, including me, as implausible at first. But they were only implausible in the sense that such a device would probably fail when tested — and the first North Korean test did fail. The problem is North Korea kept trying, and its later tests succeeded.

We also must take seriously that North Korea has perhaps stretched its supply of plutonium by integrating some high-enriched uranium into each bomb and developing all-uranium designs. North Korea has an unknown capacity to make highly enriched uranium. We’ve long noticed that the single facility that North Korea has shown off to outsiders seems smaller than North Korea’s newly renovated capacity to mine and mill uranium; we naturally wondered where all that extra uranium is going. (My research institute thinks it might be fun to estimate how much uranium North Korea enriches based on how much it mills, if you know anyone with grant money burning a hole in her pocket.)

Unless the intelligence community knows exactly where North Korea is enriching uranium and how big each facility is, we’re just guessing how many nuclear weapons the country may have. But 60 nuclear weapons doesn’t sound absurdly high.

The thing is, we knew all this already. Sure, sure it isn’t the same when I say it. I mean, I am just some rando living out in California. But now that someone with a tie and real job in Washington has said it, it is news.

The big question is where to go from here. Some of my colleagues still think the United States might persuade North Korea to abandon, or at least freeze, its nuclear and missile programs. I am not so sure. I suspect we might have to settle for trying to reduce tensions so that we live long enough to figure this problem out. But there is only one way to figure out who is right: Talk to the North Koreans.

The other options are basically terrible. There is no credible military option. North Korea has some unknown number of nuclear-armed missiles, maybe 60, including ones that can reach the United States; do you really think U.S. strikes could get all of them? That not a single one would survive to land on Seoul, Tokyo, or New York? Or that U.S. missile defenses would work better than designed, intercepting not most of the missiles aimed at the United States, but every last one of them? Are you willing to be your life on that?

On a good day, maybe we get most of the missiles. We save most of the cities, like Seoul and New York, but lose a few like Tokyo. Two out three ain’t bad, right?

I kid — but not really. Welcome to our new world. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.
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Noord-Korea laat zich door niemand vertellen wat zij moeten doen en nu de internationale gemeenschap is uitgespeeld. Dat krijg je met een afwachtende houding, maar ze hebben voor nu wel mensenlevens gespaard, hoe dat in de toekomst is zal de toekomst moeten uitwijzen.
  Jaap van Dissel-award 2022 donderdag 10 augustus 2017 @ 17:59:15 #89
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Nova is mijn prinses
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‘Best of bad options’: US has plan to strike N. Korea nuclear sites with B-1 bombers, reports say



The US reportedly has a plan for a preemptive strike on North Korean missile sites with bombers stationed in Guam, should Donald Trump order it. It is apparently viewed as “the best of all bad options” amid mounting tensions between the states.

An attack by Rockwell B-1 Lancer supersonic heavy bombers from Andersen Air Force Base in the US territory of Guam makes up a major part of the plan, senior acting and retired military officials told NBC news.

“Of all the military options … [President Donald Trump] could consider, this would be one of the two or three that would at least have the possibility of not escalating the situation,” retired Admiral James Stavridis, former Supreme Allied Commander Europe and an NBC News analyst, said.

At least six B-1B bombers are currently at the base, which is located some 3,200km from North Korea, NBC reports.

The B-1B, manufactured by Boeing, has served in the US military since 1985, according to data from the company. Its maximum takeoff weight can reach 216,000kg.

Nicknamed “The Bone,” the plane can reach a speed of 1,450kph. The bombers have been deployed during combat operations in Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001.

Around two dozen North Korean “missile-launch sites, testing grounds and support facilities” would be apparent targets of the US military planes, according to sources cited by NBC.

However, the plan involving B-1 bombers is not the only option as an attack may also come from “land and sea — and cyber.”

While admitting that “there is no good option,” a senior intelligence official with a knowledge of the matter said bomber strikes remain “the best of a lot of bad options.”

Implementing such a strike plan, however, could trigger an escalation of the crisis, Stavridis warned. He pointed out that North Korea would respond “at a minimum against South Korea,” while in the event of larger military action, it would not spare Guam from a strike either.

Meanwhile, the website of the Defense Video & Imagery Distribution System (DVIDS), run by the US Army Department, did record any maneuvers of B-1 bombers at the Guam base.

On one occasion in July this year, the bombers took part in a 10-hour mission into Japanese airspace and over the Korean Peninsula.

Tensions between Washington and Pyongyang were exacerbated after a new round of sanctions by the UN Security Council on North Korea earlier in August, which followed fresh missile tests by Pyongyang. Apart from trading verbal punches, both parties are flexing their military muscles as well.

In July, North Korea claimed to have test-fired two intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM). However, Russia said that the missiles were intermediate range, not ICBMs. In response, the US and South Korea repeatedly fired surface-to-surface missiles into neutral waters close to North Korea.

In one of the latest shows of force, the US military test-launched a Minuteman III ICBM missile from a US Air Force base in California.

In another sign of mounting tensions, Pyongyang said that it was working on a plan to launch a medium-range ballistic missile at the US forces in Guam. President Donald Trump has said that North Korea “will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.”

US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson recently tried to calm the situation, saying that North Korea poses no“imminent threat” to the US and that“Americans should sleep well at night.”

Russia and China have repeatedly called for a political solution to the long-standing crisis and the renewal of the ‘six-party talks.’ Moscow and Beijing are opposed to any further missile launches carried out by North Korea, while they also call on the US to halt military drills in the region.

https://www.rt.com/usa/399181-us-plan-korea-guam/
Op maandag 9 oktober 2023 13:31 schreef Nova het volgende:[/b]
Oh schatje, wat lief van je om dat te zeggen! Jij bent echt een prins op het witte paard voor mij. Met jou voel ik me zo geliefd en speciaal. Laten we nog lang samen genieten van sprookjesachtige avonturen en elkaar verwennen met veel knuffels en kusjes. O+ naar jou, mijn lieve prins! :*
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cnni twitterde op donderdag 10-08-2017 om 18:04:39 We’re live in #Guam as tensions between North Korea and the US continue to escalate. Any questions for @IvanCNN?… https://t.co/xYtfUcc3JG reageer retweet
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  donderdag 10 augustus 2017 @ 18:07:45 #91
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11s.gif Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 17:59 schreef Nikonlover het volgende:

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Ja allemaal leuk en aardig, maar ze kunnen bijvoorbeeld nooit alle artillerie uitschakelen die aan de grens staat en o.a. Seoel kan raken.
Lekker zuipen, lekker dansen en daarna lekker neuken.
  donderdag 10 augustus 2017 @ 18:13:31 #92
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1s.gif Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 18:07 schreef Szura het volgende:

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Ja allemaal leuk en aardig, maar ze kunnen bijvoorbeeld nooit alle artillerie uitschakelen die aan de grens staat en o.a. Seoel kan raken.
Als je die reacties op Reddit leest zie je veel mensen zeggen 'dat is dan maar zo' en 'Amerikaanse burgers moeten beschermt worden'. Best eng... Als je zegt dat 50.000 doden in New York (als dat op de plaats van Seoul zou liggen) acceptabel zou zijn is het internet te klein.
Opgeblazen gevoel of winderigheid? Zo opgelost met Rennie!
  donderdag 10 augustus 2017 @ 18:15:54 #93
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2s.gif Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 18:13 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:

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Als je die reacties op Reddit leest zie je veel mensen zeggen 'dat is dan maar zo' en 'Amerikaanse burgers moeten beschermt worden'. Best eng... Als je zegt dat 50.000 doden in New York (als dat op de plaats van Seoul zou liggen) acceptabel zou zijn is het internet te klein.
Dat krijg je met zulke graftakken als warmonger Lindsey Graham die dat gewoon op grote tv-zenders verkondigen...

Bovendien zitten er duizenden Amerikanen in Zuid-Korea :').
Lekker zuipen, lekker dansen en daarna lekker neuken.
  donderdag 10 augustus 2017 @ 18:18:09 #94
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1s.gif Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 18:15 schreef Szura het volgende:

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Dat krijg je met zulke graftakken als warmonger Lindsey Graham die dat gewoon op grote tv-zenders verkondigen...

Bovendien zitten er duizenden Amerikanen in Zuid-Korea :').
Nederlanders hier in Seoul zeggen altijd tegen me, als de Amerikaanse soldaten opeens vertrekken, dan is echt menens en moet je maken dat je weg komt :P
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BuzzFeedNews twitterde op donderdag 10-08-2017 om 18:17:26 🇬🇺 160,000+ people live in Guam 🇺🇸 US Navy and Air Force have bases there 🇰🇵 North Korea has threatened it before https://t.co/wqazq9QrIi reageer retweet
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1s.gif Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 18:07 schreef Szura het volgende:

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Ja allemaal leuk en aardig, maar ze kunnen bijvoorbeeld nooit alle artillerie uitschakelen die aan de grens staat en o.a. Seoel kan raken.
45 seconden en Seoul is één vuurzee, las ik. Zonder ook maar één nucleair wapen te gebruiken.
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nancyayoussef twitterde op donderdag 10-08-2017 om 18:12:52 Overheard at the Pentagon: "You want to end this North Korea crisis right now? Cancel their [Kim and Trump's] cable news subscriptions." reageer retweet
  Moderator donderdag 10 augustus 2017 @ 18:31:22 #99
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Geef me die goud!!!
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0s.gif Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 18:22 schreef Jigzoz het volgende:

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45 seconden en Seoul is één vuurzee, las ik. Zonder ook maar één nucleair wapen te gebruiken.
lijkt me onwaarschijnlijk

60km is zelfs met moderne artillerie vrij ver weg
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
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Past wel in de Iran strategie van proxy oorlogen. Nergens direct in oorlog, maar op veel plekken een vinger in de pap.
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