Crisis Oekraïne - Rusland #186 Vuren nog niet gestaakt

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 18:34 schreef reza1 het volgende:
Federalization Could Resolve Ukrainian Crisis - Slovakian PM

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:24 schreef Pharmacist het volgende:

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Wat een onzin. Die landen hebben zich vrijwillig aangesloten. Dat heeft totaal niets met annexatie te maken.

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:34 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Is de enige werkbare oplossing, maar zal niet gebeuren...

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:35 schreef reza1 het volgende:

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De Krim heeft zich vrijwillig aangesloten bij Rusland, dat had dus totaal niets met annexatie te maken.

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:35 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Zal moeten gebeuren vanuit Oekraïne, kan niet van buitenaf worden afgedwongen...

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:36 schreef reza1 het volgende:

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Kan wel, maar de wil is er niet. De EU, NAVO en/of VS zouden dat prima als voorwaarde kunnen stellen.

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:39 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Nee kan niet, staatssoevereiniteit, maar dat schijn je, gezien je post over de Krim, niet te snappen (of niet willen te snappen, dat lijkt me eerder)

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:39 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Nee kan niet, staatssoevereiniteit, maar dat schijn je, gezien je post over de Krim, niet te snappen (of niet willen te snappen, dat lijkt me eerder)

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:39 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Nee kan niet, staatssoevereiniteit, maar dat schijn je, gezien je post over de Krim, niet te snappen (of niet willen te snappen, dat lijkt me eerder)

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:35 schreef reza1 het volgende:

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De Krim heeft zich vrijwillig aangesloten bij Rusland, dat had dus totaal niets met annexatie te maken.

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Following the Ukrainian revolution, on February 27 an emergency session was held in the Crimean legislature while it was occupied by armed Crimea’s self-defense forces.[2] After sealing the doors and confiscating all mobile phones, the MPs who had been invited by Aksyonov to enter the building, passed the motion in the presence of the gunmen armed with Kalashnikov's and rocket launchers.[2][16][27][28] The result was that 55 of 64 votes elected Aksyonov Prime Minister.[29] Various media accounts have disputed whether he was able to gather a quorum of 50 of his peers before the session convened that day, and some Crimean legislators who were registered as present have said they did not come near the building.[2] Others denied being in the city, and that duplicate voting cards stolen from parliament's safe were used in their name.[30] Opposition deputies have avoided speaking out publicly out of fear of reprisal, and due to threats received.[30] Crimean Prime Minister Anatolii Mohyliov was barred from attending the session.[30]

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:36 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:42 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Maar de bevolking op de Krim was best tevreden met het resultaat
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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:42 schreef Pharmacist het volgende:
Dat vrijwillig lijkt me nogal dubieus. Er is een "referendum" gehouden terwijl de Russische soldaten door de straten liepen

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Sergey Aksyonov, is een thug die 4% van de votes kreeg in de laatste verkiezing die zonder Russische tanks verliep.

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Oh, en dan hebben we nog deze compilatie over hoe Mr Sergey aan de macht kwam

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:42 schreef SureD1 het volgende:
103 pagina's over de voorraad van de gemiddelde Oekraïnse dumpshop:

http://armamentresearch.c(...)ng%20Red%20Flags.pdf

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ARES has assessed that it is very likely that pro-Russian separatist forces have received some
level of support from one or more external parties, however the level of state complicity in such activity remains unclear. Despite the presence of arms, munitions, and armoured vehicles designed, produced, and allegedly even sourced from Russia, there remains no direct evidence of Russian government complicity in the trafficking of arms into the area (Reuters, 2014c).
The majority of arms and munitions documented in service with separatist forces have evidently been appropriated from the Ukrainian security forces and their installations within Ukraine. The 1970s and 1980s vintage ex-Ukrainian military inventory is likely to continue to predominate. The various older and expedient types of arms and munitions outlined in this report should not be taken to mean that separatist forces are ill-equipped. Some of the more capable arms and munitions available to them have been outlined.
However, ageing light weapons systems and larger ordnance, along with MANPADS and other SAM systems, will all retain a niche amongst pro-Russian forces in Ukraine for as long as government forces maintain their overwhelming advantage in air power and armour. The Ukrainian regime has access to more powerful weapon systems, in greater numbers, and with a more robust logistical chain than separatist forces could hope to muster without overt support from a foreign power. As it stands, the limited but noteworthy external support pro-Russian separatist forces have received has not proven significant enough to turn the tide in their favour.

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:49 schreef reza1 het volgende:
Bron? Waarnemers zeiden juist dat er geen soldaat bij het stemhokje te bekken was.

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:49 schreef reza1 het volgende:
Waarom is hij een "thug"?

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Some sources have alleged that Aksyonov served in the mid 1990s as a lieutenant or overseer with the nickname "Goblin"[7][8][9][10][4] in the organized criminal gang "Salem".[11][4] Aksyonov's connection with criminal world acknowledges the former chief of militsiya in Crimea Hennadiy Moskal (1997-2000). In 1995 some members of Salem had taken office as local deputies, receiving Legislative immunity.[12][13][14][15] “Aksyonov used to work side-by-side with another gang member, Serhiy Voronkov, in the early 1990s. Voronkov is a well-known mafia boss who was released from prison in 2008 and is still doing business in Crimea," said Andrei Yanitskiy, a journalist of Livy Bereh newspaper who investigated Aksyonov.[16] The native of Sevastopol,[17] Yanitskiy alleges that Aksyonov is still a member of the Salem gang.[16]

According to Mikhelson, Aksyonov started his criminal career in the gang "Greki" (Greeks)[4] that was created in Crimea by the Savopulo brothers,[4] and only later Aksyonov switched to more notorious "Salem".[4] In 1994 authorities were suspecting him and Aleksey Zhuk in killing of Oleg Fenyuk through a contract.[4] Soon, however Greki were liquidated, yet unlike many others Aksyonov managed to survive.[4] The same Zhuk was killed 10 minutes after his phone talk with Aksyonov, which raised some suspicion among the former "partners".[4]

In January of 1996, Aksyonov was wounded after a Volvo in which he was riding overturned on the Simferopol-Moscow highway () during a shootout.[16][4] However according to official documents the intended target was Samhan Mazahir-oglu Agaev (nickname "Sani").[4] Beside Agaev and Aksyonov, in the vehicle also were Aleksandr Bogomol and Pahrutdin Aliev.[4] The hit was conducted with automatic weapon by militants of the Greki gang Ruslan and Rusel from Yevpatoria who were driving black Samara.[4] The hit was contracted by Ivan Savopulo.[4] Both Ruslan and Rusel were arrested on January 24, 1996, but soon were released due to lack of evidences.[4]

In 1997 chief of Bakhchysarai patrolling unit Berezhnoi claimed that Aksyonov with a former Major of militsiya Vladimir Berenshtein ("Ben") killed a chief of Crimea network of heat supply Kuzin and a director of alcoholic factory.[4] A HUBOZ operative stated that Aksyonov kept close relations with Sergei Voronkov ("Voronok") and the "godfather" of Salem Vyacheslav Sheviev[4] (leader of Party of Economic Revival). Coincidentally, members of the Party of Economic Revival were involved in establishing of the Azerbaijani separatist organization Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

Around that time Aksyonov started to buy and stockpile weapons.[4] There is a suspicion that the regional office of General Prosecutor of Ukraine received $60,000 to discontinue investigation of murder of Volodymyr Tykhonchuk.[4] Aksyonov also received all assets of Agaev who was killed in spring of 1997.[4] By 1998 both Salem and Bashmaki became the most powerful gangs in Crimea and the President of Ukraine was forced to send special operations units of militsiya and Security Service of Ukraine to restore an order in the region.[4]

In 2010, Aksyonov sued Mikhail Bakharev, vice speaker of the Crimean parliament, for making statements of this kind. Although the court of the original jurisdiction ruled for Aksyonov and demanded that Bakharev to publish a retraction, the decision was overturned by an appellate court which determined that there was no evidence to disprove the allegations.[18] Andriy Senchenko, a Crimean member of Verkhovna Rada from Batkivshchyna party alleged that Aksyonov was involved in these activities together with Supreme Council Chairman, Vladimir Konstantinov.[12][19][20][21] Senchenko alleges that “there were reports that he participated in the contract killing of (Volodymyr) Tykhonchuk [in 2004], then head of Crimean State Securities Commission, and before that in the killing of head of State Property Fund (Oleksiy) Golovizin [in 1997].”[16] Aksyonov was investigated by the police in both murders, but has never been prosecuted. Senchenko believes Aksyonov managed to evade criminal responsibility due to his connections on the peninsula.[16]

During an armed occupation of the Crimean parliament by Russian forces under his command, Aksyonov was voted into office following a vote of no confidence in the new Ukrainian government.[22][23][2] Already having well documented links to organized crime, since March 5, 2014 he has been wanted by the Ukrainian Security Service after being charged under Part 1 of Article 109 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine ("Actions aimed at the violent overthrow, change of constitutional order, or the seizure of state power").[24]

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:49 schreef reza1 het volgende:
Stel dat zou zo gebeurd zijn, dan nog heeft dat geen enkele invloed op het referendum.

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:52 schreef Pharmacist het volgende:
Ik zeg door de straten, niet in de stemhokjes. En dat Russische soldaten door de straten liepen heeft Rusland ook toegegeven.

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Lees effe zijn geschiedenis.

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Nope, Het laat alleen zien hoe de Russen handelen. Net zoals die zieke verkiezingposters: Rusland of de Nazi's . Wat de fuck.

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:54 schreef 99.999 het volgende:

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Nee je hoeft het niet te ontkennen maar het constant verdedigen en goedpraten van dat gedrag is geen fijne eigenschap...

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:50 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Interessante conclusie...

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Dateert wel van november 2014

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:58 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Inmiddels wat meer duidelijk:

http://www.armamentresear(...)e-system-in-ukraine/

Helaas geen gedetailleerd rapport van verderop in het conflict.

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:57 schreef reza1 het volgende:
Ik had het al aangepast, de waarnemers zeiden dat er geen soldaten tijdens het referendum op straat te bekennen waren.

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OSCE team says Crimea gunmen threatened to shoot at them
Moscow, which denies its troops have a role in the takeover of Crimea, says people there - a small majority of whom are ethnic Russians - should have the right to secede

World Bulletin/News Desk

Gunmen manning a roadblock in Crimea last week threatened to open fire at an unarmed OSCE observer team if it tried to enter the southern Ukrainian region, now controlled by pro-Russian forces, a report on the failed mission said.

The mission report, obtained by Reuters, gave new detail on how more than 40 military observers from about two dozen member states of the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OCSE) were prevented from getting to Crimea.

"Despite repeated attempts to enter the Crimean peninsula... (the monitors were) consistently refused access at gunpoint and therefore were not able to dispel concerns over the reported unusual Russian Federation military activity," it said.

However, their observations still "produced significant evidence of equipment consistent with the presence of Russian Federation military personnel in the vicinity of the various roadblocks encountered" during the March 5-8 period.

Citing the report, the United States said in a separate statement that the Russian military appeared to have been involved with the armed groups who set up road blocks and blocked the OSCE observers from crossing into Crimea last week.

Pro-Russian forces have taken over military installations across Crimea, home to the Russian Black Sea Fleet. When the OSCE team tried to get into Crimea on Saturday, warning shots were fired and it was turned back.

It was the last - and the most dramatic - of several failed attempts by the observers to enter Crimea to try to find out more of what was happening there.

The report provided a blow-by-blow account of the March 8 incident as the team attempted to reach the Crimean port town of Sebastopol but were stopped at a roadblock with "a mixture of uniformed and unidentified armed personnel".

"Numerous roadblock personnel were observed with safety catches off," it said. "Less than five minutes after arrival, as the team moved forward to the roadblock, a three-round burst of automatic fire was discharged within the roadblock area."

U.S. SEES "DIRECT INVOLVEMENT" BY RUSSIA

The OSCE monitors were told there were no orders from higher authorities to allow passage amid "alleged concerns over the influence of external actors" on the March 16 referendum in Crimea on whether to join Russia, the report said.

While in the vicinity of the roadbloack, SALW (Small Arms and Light Weapons) were "held in the aim towards" the OSCE team.

"The team were forcefully advised by the roadblock personnel that further approaches would be met with direct fire," it said.

A UAZ 469 vehicle with license plate numbers associated with the Black Sea Fleet were seen at the site, the report said. At an earlier attempt to enter Crimea, more than 50 soldiers wearing "RU pattern uniforms and combat equipment without identifying patches" were observed.

The U.S. ambassador to the OSCE, Daniel Baer, said in the U.S. statement: "This report adds to our deep concerns and clearly suggests direct involvement by the Russian federation and its agents in preventing impartial, unarmed observers from doing the work they are supposed to do."

Moscow, which denies its troops have a role in the takeover of Crimea, says people there - a small majority of whom are ethnic Russians - should have the right to secede. A referendum on joining Russia is to be held on Sunday.

PUTIN TALKS

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday discussed the crisis in Ukraine with Swiss Foreign Minister Didier Burkhalter, whose country chairs the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), the Kremlin said.

Putin and Burkhalter "discussed the capabilities of the OSCE in the context of fostering a resolution of the crisis", the Kremlin statement said. It gave no details and said nothing about any agreement.

An OSCE statement later said the men had "talked about possible ways to overcome the current crisis" and focused on "potential modalities" for the creation of an international contact group on Ukraine.

Burkhalter also "stressed the importance of an early consensus" on the deployment of an OSCE monitoring mission to Ukraine, to contribute to an improved security situation, including for minorities, the OSCE statement said.

Talk of a mediation role for the OSCE has come to little. Burkhalter said on Tuesday the group would not send a mission to monitor a referendum in Crimea on Sunday over whether the Ukrainian region should join Russia, warning the plebiscite would be illegal.

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:57 schreef reza1 het volgende:
"Some sources have alleged", ik zei alleen maar verdachtmakingen geen feiten.

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 19:57 schreef reza1 het volgende:
Je moet je eens proberen in te leven in de Russischtaligen, het regime bestond uit een aantal nazi ministers, ze gingen gelijk rechten van Russischtaligen afpakken, ze zijn fan van fascist Stepan Bandera enzovoort.

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Op zondag 22 februari 2015 20:12 schreef Pharmacist het volgende:

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De lijst is ziek lang. Een staan ook gewoon feiten tussen zoals een Aleksey Zhuk die 10 minuten na met Mr Aksyonov gesproken te hebben werd geliquideerd. Hoe Mr Aksyonov betrokken was bij een shootout van gangs in 1996. Stockpiling van wapens door Mr Aksyonov. Aan het begin is er wat meer onzekerheid over hoe hij precies zijn criminele carriere startte. Anyway, in de laatste alinea: " Already having well documented links to organized crime"

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Ah. Hoe groot was het aandeel extreem rechts in het Oekrainse regime? Ik ben benieuwd.