9/11-complot of *-->niet<--*? #05 [NWS]

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Op dinsdag 22 augustus 2006 10:39 schreef UncleScorp het volgende:
Mensen die alles hebben qua geld en macht willen gewoon nog meer geld en nog meer macht.
Zo simpel is het .

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What's more, the "small conspiracy" argument also ignores what's supposed to be a huge coverup. Have you ever looked at the list of people involved in the FEMA and NIST WTC reports, for instance? What's the explanation for these academics, engineers and scientists producing something that others would have us believe is an incompetent tissue of lies? Why they've been "leaned on", of course, or they're scared of speaking out. In which case they're now also a part of the conspiracy, if only after the fact, and have to be included in the total.

What is the total? It's hard to say, not least because some people could have more than one conspiracy or coverup-related task. Still, here are some of the people who have very useful knowledge about 9/11 events (assuming you accept all the 9/11 conspiracy theories; cross off names here for the ones you don’t)

CIA agent Larry Mitchell for meeting with bin Laden in the months before 9/11, and everyone else in the CIA who knows they're not actually trying to capture him after all
GW Bush and various family members (if you're to believe the relevance of Bush family members being involved with the WTC security company Stratesec)
Condoleezza Rice (if you believe she had enough knowledge to warn Willie Brown that he might be in danger)
John Ashcroft (if you believe he had enough knowledge to decide not to fly commercial flights)
Larry Silverstein (if you believe he knew 9/11 was coming and that there were explosives in WTC7)
The 19 people who played the part of the hijackers, if you believe they were just their to play a role and were never on the planes
Enough senior people at the FBI to block progress in the Moussaoui case, ensure the Phoenix memo was ignored, and more
Ahmad Umar Sheikh for funding the hijackers, General Mahmoud Ahmad for ordering him to do so, and enough of the ISI to get the money and cover up that they were doing this for the US
Everyone who found out about the attacks in advance, and chose not to go into work rather than warn anyone else, and didn't mention this after the fact (thousands of Israelis in the towers, and so on), and everyone who warned them
Everyone responsible for the insider trading before the attacks, the CIA for supposedly monitoring these transactions but doing nothing about them, and enough of the SEC and FBI to ensure that the report was a whitewash
The members of Bush’s secret service team on 9/11 (who presumably either knew in advance that he was safe, or haven’t spoken out about their surprise about what happened subsequently)
The five "dancing Israelis" who filmed the attack "as it happened", and presumably many others in Israeli Intelligence, and enough people in the police or FBI to cover up the details of the case and get them shipped out
Everyone responsible for planting evidence in the hijackers cars, bags and so on
Everyone responsible for planting evidence in the WTC wreckage (passports etc), or removing it (WTC black boxes)
Air Traffic Control and flight schedulers at the takeoff airports (to cope with the double flights), and to make sure they didn't follow procedure in reporting the hijackings promptly
Whoever prepared the "special" planes swapped for the real flights, complete with "missile pod" for firing into the towers just before impact, and the ATC and Norad staff who didn't mention the swap
Norad and senior officers working at the day (so they could lie about the war games and their lack of response)
Fighter pilots who deliberately flew too slowly so they wouldn't reach the aircraft in time
Whoever shot down Flight 93, and the senior officers who helped cover it up
Everyone who researched the passengers, then all the actors who used that research to make fake mobile calls to their relatives, and either the phone company or the FBI for covering up the phone records
Everyone involved in killing hundreds of passengers, assuming they didn't die in the crashes and were killed later
Everyone involved in transporting their bodies to the various scenes if they did, or faking the DNA evidence if they didn't
The people who researched the WTC to find out the best place to place explosives
The people who planted the explosives through the WTC towers and WTC7
Whoever detonated the WTC explosives at various different times of the day
Enough of the New York Fire and Police Departments to shut up everyone else and make sure they didn't try to investigate why all their friends and colleagues died
Everyone who prepared the remote control plane that really flew into the Pentagon, and whoever remote-controlled it, and the Washington Air Traffic Controllers who aren't allowed to talk about the extra radar blip they saw over the Pentagon (if Flight 77 really flew over it)
The Sheraton hotel staff who reportedly saw the video of the plane as it flew past to the Pentagon, but have never said that it wasn't the "official" flight
The people who ensured the Pentagon missile defence systems were disabled to the plane could hit
The people who planted the fake Pentagon evidence, from body parts to black boxes, and those who prepared it
The people who faked additional evidence around the Pentagon, bringing down lampposts etc in an effort to make it look like a large winged plane carried out the attack
Rudolph Giuliani for having advance knowledge that the WTC was going to collapse, and for helping to ensure that the steel was disposed of quickly
Enough people at American and United Airlines to keep quiet about the absence of the hijackers names from the passenger manifests
Enough people at CNN not to question the absence of the hijackers names from the flight manifests, if you believe that's what their victims lists really are
Enough people at FEMA and NIST to ensure any reports and analyses produced were whitewashes
Enough senior officials at the many WTC insurance companies to ensure the doubts were ignored and claims were paid
Everyone involved in producing the fake bin Laden "confession" video(s)
Khalid Al-Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Bin Al-Sheeba for discussing how they planned 9/11 on audio tape even though this didn’t happen, and perhaps al Jazeera reporter Yosri Fouda for getting the interview (if we assume he knows it isn't true)
All the other Al Qaeda members who've either implicitly or explicitly accepted responsibility for 9/11, even when they know it was carried out by someone else
The staff of the 9/11 Commission for deliberately obscuring the truth
Sounds reasonable, I think, but this is only the start. If you discuss 9/11 conspiracies online anywhere, try keeping your own list, and add to it everyone someone implies that another person or group was “in on it”. Then produce the list after a month or two and see just how realistic it looks...

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Op dinsdag 22 augustus 2006 10:43 schreef klez het volgende:

Dat snap ik ja. Maar niet ten koste van het risico als landverrader geexecuteerd te worden. Ze zijn wel dom, maar niet gek. Om maar te zwijgen over de duizenden mensen die betrokken hadden moeten zijn.

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Op dinsdag 22 augustus 2006 10:44 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
Klez, het menselijk instinct heeft geen aan/uit knopje, het staat altijd aan, en als je het niet onder controle houdt, zal het altijd snakken naar meer. Dit is niet een vage theorie, dit is biologie.

Wellicht dat het blijven streven naar meer verbonden is met de angst om te verliezen wat je hebt, immers, je bouwt zo extra veiligheid in. Angst is een slechte raadgever, dus men zal risico's nemen, no doubt.

Emoties zorgen er sowieso voor dat een mens niet helder kan denken.

Zie The Human Instinct van de BBC, razend interessant

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Op dinsdag 22 augustus 2006 10:48 schreef Hallulama het volgende:

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Dat is een misvatting. Er hoeven helemaal geen duizenden mensen betrokken te zijn. Slechts een aantal mensen hoeven er van te weten, en die zorgen vervolgens dat zij, plus hun volgelingen, incompetent lijken.

Verder zijn er een aantal mensen betrokken die DENKEN dat ze slechts in naam van Islam of de strijd tegen het "perfide westen" een aanval uitvoeren, maar ondertussen, dertig opdrachtgevers verder, via via, blijkt er dus meer achter te zitten.

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Op dinsdag 22 augustus 2006 10:53 schreef klez het volgende:

Das allemaal interessant, maar hoe "hoger" je op de ladder staat, hoe minder risico je neemt en hoeft te nemen. Dat is simpele logica.
En al die duizenden betrokkenen, collectieve verstandsverbijstering voor zo iets idioots? Ik geloof er echt geen bal van. Religieuze waanzin of totalitaire systemen kunnen dat teweeg brengen bij mensen. Twee zaken waar de meeste evt. betrokken, hoog opgeleide Amerikaanse functionarissen vrij ongevoelig voor zijn.
En zelfs dan nog zou 90% gewetenswroeging krijgen bij een aanslag op "eigen volk".

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Op dinsdag 22 augustus 2006 11:25 schreef Hallulama het volgende:

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Het zijn natuurlijk wel boze, gefrustreerde jongetjes, in staat tot weet ik veel wat.

Mensen met een psychische aandoening zijn toch onvoorspelbaar, kunnen rare sprongen maken, welnu, die mensen zitten heus niet alleen bij Groen Links hoor, die zitten ook op de hoogste posities, waarom denk je dat het anders zo'n rotzooitje is op aarde? Omdat er intelligente gebalanceerde, liefdevolle mensen regeren in harmonie?

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Op dinsdag 22 augustus 2006 10:53 schreef klez het volgende:
Das allemaal interessant, maar hoe "hoger" je op de ladder staat, hoe minder risico je neemt en hoeft te nemen. Dat is simpele logica.

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President Bush: "I do not need to explain why I say things. — That's the interesting thing about being the President. — Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation."
http://www.cbsnews.com/st(...)tes/main529657.shtml

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J. Edgar Hoover once said: “The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous- he simply cannot believe it exists"

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The cover story that a Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 is being discredited by private contractors who say that Douglas A-3 Sky Warriors were retrofitted with missiles, remote control systems, transponders, and new navigation systems by secret military teams working at at Fort Collins - Loveland Municipal Airport, writes investigative journalist Tom Flocco, citing new information from defense contractor Karl Schwarz, CEO of a company that designs remote control aircraft for the U.S. Army.

Schwarz told Flocco that witnesses to this retrofitting were afraid because of "suicides, car wrecks, mysterious deaths,directly related to the aviation experts working on the systems installed on the A-3’s."

"There are about 150 retired and active U.S. military and federal intelligence officers who will come forward and testify regarding government involvement in the September 11 attacks -- but only if there is a serious criminal grand jury," Schwarz said.
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=89&contentid=2246

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Op dinsdag 22 augustus 2006 11:27 schreef haaahaha het volgende:

lol, ik vind dat zo'n onzin he, dan heb je intelligent buitenaards leven wat technologisch eeuwen (of misschien wel verder) op ons vooruit loopt, en dan zouden ze zich tegen laten houden door de egoistisch en uit eigenbelang handelende amerikaanse overheid. Dat rijmt totaal niet. Alsof zo'n ras wat het beste met ons voorheeft zich laat tegenhouden.

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Het is typisch, alles wat het goed met ons voorheeft wordt even tegengehouden door de amerikaanse overheid. Al het kwade komt van die amerikaanse overheid. Niemand kan daar tegen op, de amerikaanse overheid controleert alles.

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Op dinsdag 22 augustus 2006 11:37 schreef Drugshond het volgende:
Screw Loose Change
Leuk veldwerk van deze dudes. Zowaar een kritisch tegengeluid (direct en alleen gericht op LC-2nd).
Ben nog e.e.a. aan het converteren naar DVD, maar ziet er veel belovend (qua previews) uit.

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Op dinsdag 22 augustus 2006 11:28 schreef klez het volgende:

Dat is wat anders dan een aanslag plegen op je eigen volk met alle risico's van dien, zonder dat het nodig was. Er zijn talloze bewijzen dat terroristen het op de VS gemunt hadden en hebben...

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Op dinsdag 22 augustus 2006 11:35 schreef Resonancer het volgende:

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Hoe hoger je op de ladder staat, hoe minder je hoeft te verantwoorden:
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Vroeg of laat gaan er wel; mensen praten, als ze zolang blijven leven:
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Nu 's ff wat lezen over de onlangs vrijgegeven tapes:
http://www.vanityfair.com/features/general/060801fege01

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When I asked Nasypany about the conspiracy theories—the people who believe that he, or someone like him, secretly ordered the shootdown of United 93 and covered it up—the corners of his mouth began to quiver. Then, I think to the surprise of both of us, he suddenly put his head in his hands and cried. "Flight 93 was not shot down," he said when he finally looked up. "The individuals on that aircraft, the passengers, they actually took the aircraft down. Because of what those people did, I didn't have to do anything."

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Op dinsdag 22 augustus 2006 11:44 schreef haaahaha het volgende:

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lol, omdat het een zwaar irritant muziekje is achter loosechange wat bijdraagt aan het misterieuze van loosechange.

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Op dinsdag 22 augustus 2006 11:58 schreef haaahaha het volgende:

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lol, je denkt dat ik de dvd in mijn bezit heb? Ik heb enkel loose change via het internet bekeken, daar zit nergens een knop voor een ander audiospoor.