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en ullrich werd in de eerste etappe van vorig jaar ingehaald door lance armstrong, de cleanste renner ooit
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  zaterdag 15 juli 2006 @ 20:06:35 #52
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Gert Jacobs was vanmiddag bij BNR sport en die had een hele fraaie
Ik zei tegen de dokter ik laat je doen wat goed voor mij is,je mag je gang gaan,maar laat me niet de klos zijn bij de dopingcontrole.
Mart Smeets :"In alle drukte heb ik rust."
  zaterdag 15 juli 2006 @ 20:08:03 #53
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Ach ja Gert Jacobs, de man met een testosteron:epi testosteron gehalte van 1:50 of zo. Die heeft in ieder geval 1 record gebroken. Wel altijd super in de Vuelta met zijn beulswerk in vlakke etappes.
  zaterdag 15 juli 2006 @ 20:15:59 #54
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Factual, I think.
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quote:
Op zaterdag 15 juli 2006 19:45 schreef JohnDDD het volgende:
en ullrich werd in de eerste etappe van vorig jaar ingehaald door lance armstrong, de cleanste renner ooit


Ik las afgelopen week in de Volkskrant dat er een nieuw boek over Armstrong is verschenen, waarin wordt geschreven dat hij alles alles deed om te winnen.
Ook dope gebruiken, was tussen de regels te lezen......
Who the fuck can sleep with all this shit going on?
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bizarre tour eigenlijk die van 98
zat net nog eens even terug te kijken
pantani werd in de afsluitende tijdrit derde op 2:35 van ullrich
een prestatie waarvoor hij wel het een en ander heeft moeten doen
hemel ik zou heel graag die beelden ngo eens terugzien

kwam ook net een artikel tegen:
http://sportsillustrated.(...)08/02/cleanest_tour/

Pantani: This was the cleanest tour in years

PARIS (CNN/SI) -- Marco Pantani's first Tour de France victory came amid a drug scandal that tended to overshadow the actual race and his momentous achievement, the rare double of the Giro d'Italia and tour at points.

Ironically, Pantini said this year's tour was the cleanest race in years.

"The fear of police has without any doubt made this tour cleaner," said the 28-year-old Pantani, the first Italian in 33 years to win the tour.

[ Bericht 57% gewijzigd door JohnDDD op 15-07-2006 20:55:33 ]
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  zaterdag 15 juli 2006 @ 23:58:43 #56
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Ullrich and Sevilla miss team's deadline

Are Jan Ullrich and Oscar Sevilla on their way out of the T-Mobile Team permanently? It's beginning to look that way. On Saturday morning, sports communication director Christian Frommert said that the two riders have missed the deadline to prove their innocence in the Operation Puerto affair.

Ullrich and Sevilla have "not met the request of the sponsor and the team management to provide their innocence," the team announced Saturday. The deadline, which was given to them upon their suspension June 30, "already expired on Thursday."

"Now it's in the hands of the attorneys to consider what steps to take next. This is a very difficult situation," Frommert said, and noted that he is confident to have an announcement "by the end of the Tour."

The team suspended Ullrich and Sevilla before the start of the Tour after both were named in the Spanish doping scandal involving Dr. Eufemiano Fuentes. Directeur Sportif and Ullrich mentor Rudy Pevenage was fired over his involvement.

Both riders "assured us before they left Strasbourg on June 30 that they wanted to prove their innocence," Frommert said. This has not yet happened.
http://www.cyclingnews.co(...)2006/jul06/jul16news

Lijkt me dan duidelijk, einde carriere Ullrich en Sevilla. Ze hebben de tijd gehad om hun onschuld te bewijzen en ze kunnen het zelfs niet voor elkaar krijgen om hun eigen team te overtuigen dat ze onschuldig zijn. Dat Ullrich de lul is was natuurlijk al duidelijk en de waarschijnlijke videobeelden van Sevilla zullen hem ook niet veel helpen. Doei bolle
  zondag 16 juli 2006 @ 00:01:32 #57
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Basso prepares his defence

By Hedwig Kröner, with additional reporting from Shane Stokes

Ever since Ivan Basso returned home to his native Italy on June 30, one day prior to the start of the Tour de France, the now suspended CSC rider has been in close contact with his lawyer, Massimo Martelli, who has taken over not only the preparation of his defence but also his relations to the media.

Martelli, wrote L'Equipe's Philippe Brunel in Wednesday's edition of the paper, travelled to Madrid last week to meet the investigators of the Guardia Civil and the magistrate in charge of the Operacion Puerto affair. The attorney was given a copy of the dossier which led to Basso's exclusion of the Tour.

"There are very few indications," he said, "only suppositions and indirect proof." Martelli added that Basso appeared in none of the video camera-recorded films the officials had used in their investigation, and that the recorded telephone calls which concerned Basso included silences and omissions which could be used for all sorts of interpretations.

"One correspondent tells doctor Fuentes that a 'certain' Basso won. But in Italy for example, the word 'certain' is used for an unknown person," Martelli said. As for the codename 'Birillo', the attorney added that this was an invention of the media. "Birillo is supposed to be the name of Basso's dog. But yesterday, I heard his daughter Domitilla call the dog 'Tarello' - I don't think that at two years of age, a child could be wrong about the name of its dog."

So while Basso is said to train every day, being "very impatient to get out of this dead end", his representative is in contact with the authorities in charge: the UCI, which is in possession of more complete documents on the case, as well as the Anti-Doping section of the Italian Olympic committee, which will let Basso be heard once it has all the information available. It can then either classify the case or else send Basso before the disciplinary commission of his cycling federation, which could ask Basso for a DNA test.

While the winner of the Giro d'Italia is in favour of the idea, his attorney isn't. "It's a traumatic act, and not reliable to 100 percent," Martelli said.

However many other lawyers and scientists would disagree with this last assertion. DNA testing is taken to being 99.5 percent reliable and has been used as the mainstay of countless criminal cases for many years. In fact, if an inaccurate reading does occur, this decreases rather than increases the chances of Basso having a blood match.

Across the border in Switzerland, the president of the Swiss Olympic committee's doping section Gerhard Walter stated several days ago that he felt such testing was vital in the case of Jan Ullrich, another accused of working with Dr. Fuentes. "The reports out of Spain indicate a seemingly clear situation, therefore it's up to the athletes to exonerate themselves," he stated. "If Ullrich, for example, doesn't make a DNA test, then I assume that the charges are true."
Via dezelfde bron als hierboven. Voor Basso ziet het er nog iets positiever uit, het bewijs is flinterdun en een DNA-test zou veel duidelijkheid kunnen scheppen.
  zondag 16 juli 2006 @ 00:03:27 #58
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Fijn voor Basso, daar sta je dan met je bijna zekere touroverwinning .
The average burglar breaks in and leaves clues everywhere. But not me. I'm completely clueless.
  zondag 16 juli 2006 @ 00:06:01 #59
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Zou zeker treurig zijn, maar ja het ethisch charter. Keihard maar het behoed de sport waarschijnlijk wel voor een genadeslag die anders misschien in de Tour zelf was gekomen.
  zondag 16 juli 2006 @ 00:06:49 #60
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quote:
Op zondag 16 juli 2006 00:01 schreef Ericr het volgende:

[..]

Via dezelfde bron als hierboven. Voor Basso ziet het er nog iets positiever uit, het bewijs is flinterdun en een DNA-test zou veel duidelijkheid kunnen scheppen.
maar dat was toch langer bekend.daarom was het zo onredelijk.
Mart Smeets :"In alle drukte heb ik rust."
  zondag 16 juli 2006 @ 00:08:13 #61
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Alleen blijft Basso dus strijden en lijkt Ullrich de strijd te hebben opgegeven. Het contrast tussen die twee verhalen is opvallend.
  zondag 16 juli 2006 @ 00:16:15 #62
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Ze zeggen dt het bewijs tegen Ullrich groot is, zie mijn eerdere bericht van de duitse televisie.
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quote:
Op zaterdag 15 juli 2006 19:45 schreef JohnDDD het volgende:
en ullrich werd in de eerste etappe van vorig jaar ingehaald door lance armstrong, de cleanste renner ooit
lotz was nu ook niet die renner die alles won en toch pakte hij dusjah, zegt niet veel he
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Als Basso überhaupt een DNA-test zou kunnen doen, dan betekent dat dus ook dat er bloedzakken zijn gevonden met die codenaam erop?

Nou ja, één ding wordt hier in dit artikel niet genoemd, namelijk dat ook aan de telefoon werd gezegd dat Fuentes "nummer 1 en 2 in de stand had".
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  zondag 16 juli 2006 @ 15:51:50 #65
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tja Basso is niet met naam genoemd volgens mij, Ullrich via Pevenage heeft de schijn meer tegen.
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Basso spartelt nog even

Hoe oud is Sevilla inmiddels eigenlijk? Jaartje of 28?
  zondag 16 juli 2006 @ 16:04:28 #67
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Oscar is 29.

Als Basso geen banden heeft met Fuentes zou die DNA-test niet zo gek zijn. Ullrich laat niks meer van zich horen.
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Anonymous witness says 'big teams decided to stop doping'
An anonymous witness of the conference between the team-leaders on Friday June 30th on the subject of Operation Puerto and doping has come forward saying that several leaders of big teams decided "they would not dope their teams this Tour de France". The decision was made because the team leaders felt it would be "unfair to dope" now that favourites like Ullrich and Basso had been suspended for their alleged contact with doctor Fuentes, the prime suspect in the case. According to the witness, team leader of CSC, Bjarne Riis, said that "a Tour should not be decided because of one idiot of a doctor".

The anonymous witness specifically names Johan Bruyneel of team Discovery Channel as one of the team leaders who decided to stop doping his entire team of riders. Bruyneel was the leader of the team when Lance Armstrong won all of his seven tours between 1999 and 2005. The Discovery Channel team has been disappointing so far. Patrick Lefèvere, leader of team Quick-Step - Innergetic, was also named and allegedly said that "this would be a good time to stop doping all together". Olaf Ludwig, team leader of T-Mobile, and Eusebio Unzue, leader of team Caisse D'Epargne - Illes Balears, are said to have agreed.

Later, an alleged argument broke out in which several team-leaders accused each other of making false promises so that their advantage would be stronger when other teams stopped doping. During this argument, Guiseppe Martinelli, leader of team Lampre-Fondital, allegedly tried to attack Erik Breukink, leader of team Rabobank, which was just stopped by Johan Bruyneel and Olaf Ludwig.

All of the individuals involved have denied the allegations, and Bruyneel said this was "ridiculous".
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  zondag 16 juli 2006 @ 16:57:31 #69
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Zozo, JohnDDDs onzin nu ook in het Engels? Toch een aanwinst voor het internationale publiek, lijkt me zo.
  zondag 16 juli 2006 @ 17:53:11 #70
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Lekker laf anoniem dus.
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  zondag 16 juli 2006 @ 18:12:31 #71
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quote:
Op zondag 16 juli 2006 17:53 schreef maril het volgende:
Lekker laf anoniem dus.
Alsof dit bericht serieus te nemen is.
  dinsdag 18 juli 2006 @ 08:49:09 #72
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quote:
Ullrich says he is "innocent until proven guilty"

By Susan Westemeyer

"Under our legal system, I am, like everyone else, considered innocent until proven guilty," Jan Ullrich said on Monday in his first -- and possibly last -- public statement on his implication in the Operation Puerto doping scandal. He denied that he has gone into hiding, and said that contrary to previous reports, his attorneys submitted a written position to his team within the time limit the team had set.

T-Mobile team manager Olaf Ludwig confirmed to the SID press agency that the repot had been received, however, it said only that it was not up to him to prove his innocence, and that there was no direct evidence to prove his guilt.

Christian Frommert, director of Sports Communications for T-Mobile, confirmed that the statement issued to the team by Ullrich's lawyer's did not meet the standard the team has demanded. T-Mobile had requested a written report proving Ullrich's innocence, which Ullrich had indicated two weeks ago he would submit. Frommert said that what was received was "a statement that no statement proving innocence would be submitted."

Ullrich's manager, Wolfgang Strohband, said that a further explanation "would be possible in the future," without setting a date. In his press release, Ullrich said that on the advice of his attorneys, he would not make any more public statements. Strohband also confirmed that the attorneys had advised Ullrich not to have a DNA test.
http://www.cyclingnews.co(...)006/jul06/jul18news2

Gaat vooral om die laatste zin dan. Daarmee beken je eigelijk al schuld vind ik.
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Jaja en in een ander artikel las ik dat "Ullrich zelf een DNA-test wilde maar dat zijn advocaat het hem had afgeraden omdat 'DNA-testen niet 100% betrouwbaar zijn'"

In het laatste deel van dát artikel werd daar dan nog om gelachen omdat DNA-tests al jaren worden gebruikt in vele landen in het rechtssysteem.

Het lijkt mij overigens ook vrijwel onmogelijk dat een DNA-test een positief resultaat afgeeft wanneer het negatief zou moeten zijn (in tegenstelling tot het omgekeerde).
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  dinsdag 18 juli 2006 @ 10:52:56 #74
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Ze kunnen met DNA-testen aantonen wie een naamloos kind was dat omkwam bij de ramp met de Titanic. Lijkt me dus betrouwbaar genoeg. Ullrich en co proberen tijd te kopen, als Ullrich echt onschuldig is zal je op iedere mogelijke manier je onschuld willen aantonen.

Het bewijs is in zijn geval zwaar genoeg om hem te verdenken van structureel dopinggebruik. Kan me niet voorstellen dat Pevenage voor anderen dopingzaakjes regelt en die renner toevallig ook Jan heet.
  woensdag 19 juli 2006 @ 14:29:22 #75
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Aldag on Ullrich: "Sometimes we wondered"

What goes on behind closed doors? Even teammates and friends don't always know. Rolf Aldag rode with Jan Ullrich for ten years, and often shared a room with him. But not always, and roommates don't spend all their time together. "Jan often had a single room. And when he shared a double room with a teammate, he would have had time" to use doping products or procedures, Aldag said in an interview on www.sport1.de. "He would often be alone for an hour with a helper in his room. And his roommate wouldn't kick the door in, of course, he would just disappear. Sometimes we wondered what was up when we saw strangers hanging around the hallway."

What does Aldag think of Ullrich's explanations so far? "Not much. Jan must do the DNA test. Then if he was found innocent he could say, 'See!' What he is doing now is not acceptable."

Aldag also speculated over a possible role of Rudy Pevenage in a doping scheme. "Pevenage was always linked very closely to Jan and their ties became even stronger after the change to Coast at the end of 2002. Pevenage bound himself more and more to Jan. And as the pressure increased with the expected battle with Ivan Basso for the Tour victory, perhaps Pevenage lost his nerve. How shall Jan have gotten in contact with the Spaniards? He can't speak the language and would have needed someone to act as middleman."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul19news4


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