9/11-complot of *-->niet<--*? #01 [NWS]

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 18:27 schreef nietzman het volgende:

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Ik zou het al een hele stap voorwaarts vinden als er eens een gerespecteerd deskundige of een grotemensenjournalist vraagtekens bij de officiële lezing zou zetten. .

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 19:01 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:
nee maar als iemand stelt dat de officiele versie geloofwaardiger is (in context dat DIE versie maar ontkracht moet worden) wil ik mensen er graag op wijzen dat de realiteit niet zo inelkaar zit.

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 19:01 schreef 6833-228 het volgende:
Misschien zit hier iets voor je tussen:

Michael Chossudovsky: professor economie, Universiteit Ottawa

Andreas von Bulow: oud-minister in Duitsland

Catherine Austin Fitts, Asst. Secretary of Housing in the first Bush administration

Michael Badnarik, Libertarian candidate for President

Philip J. Berg, Esquire, former deputy attorney general, Pennsylvania

Dr. Robert Bowman, USAF Lt. Col. (Rtd.), founder, Institute for Space and Security Studies

John Buchanan, author, candidate for the Republican Party Presidential nomination, 2004

Gray Brechin, Ph.D., author, environmental historian, professor, UC Berkeley

Fred Burks, presidential interpreter for Bush, Clinton, Cheney, and Gore

Norma Carr-Rufino, Ph.D., author, professor of management, San Francisco State University

Angana Chatterji, Ph.D., scholar-activist and professor of anthropology

Paul Cienfuegos, co-founder, Democracy Unlimited of Humboldt County

David Cobb, attorney, national presidential candidate, US Green Party

Ronnie Dugger, journalist/author, co-founder, Alliance for Democracy

Rachel Ehrenfeld, Ph.D., Director, American Center for Democracy, author, Funding Evil

Richard Falk, Professor Emeritus of International Law, Princeton University

Jim Garrison, Ph.D., president, State of the World Forum, author, America as Empire

Stan Goff, 25-year Army Special Ops veteran, author, Full Spectrum Disorder

Melvin Goodman, senior fellow, Center for International Policy, author, former Senior Analyst, CIA, professor, National War College

Richard Heinberg, author, The Party's Over, core faculty, New College of California

Sean Kelly, Ph.D., author, professor of philosophy and religion, CA Institute of Integral Studies

John Joseph Kennedy, Democratic Write-in Presidential Candidate for 2004

Michael Levine, bestselling author of Deep Cover, journalist, 25-year veteran of the DEA

Joanna Macy, Ph.D., eco-philosopher, author

Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst, co-founder, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

Cynthia McKinney, five-term Congresswoman from Georgia

Ralph Metzner, Ph.D., author, professor, co-founder, Green Earth Foundation

Ralph Nader, Independent candidate for President

Michael Parenti, Ph.D., author, Superpatriotism and The Terrorism Trap

Edward L. Peck, former US Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq, former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism

Peter Phillips, Ph.D., professor, Sonoma State University, director, Project Censored

Paul H. Ray, Ph.D., sociologist, author, The Cultural Creatives

John Rensenbrink, professor emeritus, Bowdoin College, co-founder, US Green Party

Michael Ruppert, publisher/editor, From The Wilderness, author, Crossing the Rubicon

Chris Sanders, founder, Sanders Research Associates

Karl W. B. Schwarz, President, CEO, Patmos Nanotechnologies, LLC

Peter Dale Scott, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus, author, Drugs, Oil, and War

J. Michael Springmann, attorney, former Foreign Service Officer, US Department of State

Douglas Sturm, Ph.D., university professor emeritus, Bucknell University

Burns H. Weston, J.S.D., Professor of Law Emeritus, Director, Center for Human Rights, U-Iowa

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 19:04 schreef nietzman het volgende:

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Wauw, een lijst met namen.

Nou, ik ben om hoor.

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 19:04 schreef 6833-228 het volgende:

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 19:06 schreef nietzman het volgende:

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Ik heb het wel weer bekeken hier, om dit soort retards heb ik TRU natuurlijk niet uit m'n AT geknikkerd.

Toedels.

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 19:12 schreef Apropos het volgende:
Other critics in German newspapers and journals hold that von Bülow's suggestions are "absurd"[5], and some even question his sanity. A German website with the intent to expose "factual errors" in "conspiracy theories" about the 9/11 attacks devotes much space to von Bülow.

Natürlich habe ich eine Verantwortung. Ich habe auch eine Verantwortung, daß uns nicht nochmal sowas wie Pearl Harbor passiert, daß der amerikanische Präsident weiß, daß der Angriff kommt, seiner Truppe überhaupt nichts sagt, 2500 amerikanische Soldaten sterben müssen, damit das amerikanische Volk rübergewuppt wird in die Kriegswilligkeit gegen Japan und Deutschland

http://www.werboom.de/vt/html/von_buelow.html


Inderdaad, een echte Duitser.

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 19:38 schreef 6833-228 het volgende:

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Goh indrukwekkend zeg, Der Spiegel vindt zijn suggesties absurd.

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 19:12 schreef Apropos het volgende:
Other critics in German newspapers and journals hold that von Bülow's suggestions are "absurd"[5], and some even question his sanity.

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 18:31 schreef nietzman het volgende:

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My ass.

Elke zichzelf-respecterende journalist zou zijn ziel aan de duivel verkopen om het complot van de eeuw wereldkundig te maken. Ongeacht welk gevaar dan ook.

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Homeland Security Inc Scandal Off And Running
WORLD EXCLUSIVE
June 22 2006--Venice,FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker

Less than two weeks before the company declared bankruptcy which owned the DC9 recently busted in Mexico with 5.5 tons of cocaine onboard, Florida Governor Jeb Bush’s Department of Transportation issued a press release touting the firm’s bright future in Homeland Security and announcing it had been selected to be the state’s primary provider of airport security applications.

This is not the first time Jeb Bush has been involved endorsing a drug trafficking aviation company. Nor is it the first time SkyWay Aircraft has been the recipient of unexplained government favoritism.

The Federal Aviation Administration, for example, has been doing SkyWay a major solid...

Two months and eleven days after the firm’s American-registered DC9 was caught carrying 5.5 tons of cocaine in Campeche, Mexico destined for distribution in the U.S., the FAA is still stonewalling requests for the release of what are—by statue— public records of the registration and ownership of the plane.

In a twisted perversion of the U.S. Government’s so-called War on Drugs, the FAA is “Just Saying No” to the American people, who are not allowed to know if an American Drug Lord may have been responsible for the last doomed flight of “Cocaine One.”

We're not cleared for that information.
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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 18:27 schreef nietzman het volgende:
Ik zou het al een hele stap voorwaarts vinden als er eens een gerespecteerd deskundige of een grotemensenjournalist vraagtekens bij de officiële lezing zou zetten. .

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 19:04 schreef nietzman het volgende:
Wauw, een lijst met namen.

Nou, ik ben om hoor.

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 19:55 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:
wat een dogmas....ik sukkel hier zowat in slaap, ik ga maar weer even wat anders doen..dat eeuwige genapraat in Nws door mensen die alles wat *de officiele bronnen* zeggen maar voor feit zonder zich vragen te stellen aannemen.

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 20:25 schreef YuckFou het volgende:

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Nou snap ik heel goed dat je er niet echt aanwilt als je comfortabel met de officiële lezing bent.
Maar als iemand de moeite heeft genomen voor jou gerespecteerde deskundigen of een grotemensenjournalisten op te zoeken, zou je wel de moeite mogen nemen iets volwassener te reageren....

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 20:25 schreef YuckFou het volgende:

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Nou snap ik heel goed dat je er niet echt aanwilt als je comfortabel met de officiële lezing bent.
Maar als iemand de moeite heeft genomen voor jou gerespecteerde deskundigen of een grotemensenjournalisten op te zoeken, zou je wel de moeite mogen nemen iets volwassener te reageren....

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 18:19 schreef Martijn_fijn het volgende:
Zolang niet met ECHTE bewijzen aankomen zal het ALTIJD een theorie blijven.

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 20:31 schreef Pracissor het volgende:

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Dat zijn dus geen gerespecteerde deskundigen.

Zie bijvoorbeeld die post over die Duitse ex-minister, die voert dan de lijst aan.

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 20:31 schreef Pracissor het volgende:
Dat zijn dus geen gerespecteerde deskundigen.

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 20:44 schreef YuckFou het volgende:

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Heb jij voor mij dan een lijst met gerespecteerde deskundigen die de officiële versie onderschrijven?

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Ray’s duties at CIA included chairing National Intelligence Estimates and preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB). These, the most authoritative genres of intelligence reporting, have been the focus of press reporting on “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq and on what the president was told before 9/11. During the mid-eighties, Ray was one of the senior analysts conducting early morning briefings of the PDB one-on-one with the Vice President, the Secretaries of State and Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs.

Ray received his B.A., summa cum laude, from Fordham College and was elected to Phi Beta Kappa. Designated a Distinguished Military Graduate, he was commissioned upon graduation and served as an infantry/intelligence officer in the US Army from 1962-64. Ray holds an M.A. in Russian Studies from Fordham University and a certificate in Theological Studies from Georgetown University. He is also a graduate of the Harvard Business School’s Advanced Management Program.

At his retirement ceremony, Ray received the Intelligence Commendation Medal and a letter from then-president George H. W. Bush wishing him well in his transition to non-profit work in inner-city Washington.

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Melvin Goodman was a senior analyst in Soviet affairs at the Central Intelligence Agency, where he worked for two decades (1966-1986). He later served as a Soviet analyst at the State Department, and he currently is professor of international studies at the National War College and a senior fellow at the Center for International Policy.

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Clarke helped shape U.S. policy on terrorism under President Reagan and the first President Bush. He was held over by President Clinton to be his terrorism czar, then held over again by the current President Bush.

In the 60 Minutes interview and the book, Clarke tells what happened behind the scenes at the White House before, during and after Sept. 11.

After the president returned to the White House on Sept. 11, he and his top advisers, including Clarke, began holding meetings about how to respond and retaliate. As Clarke writes in his book, he expected the administration to focus its military response on Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. He says he was surprised that the talk quickly turned to Iraq.

"Rumsfeld was saying that we needed to bomb Iraq," Clarke said to Stahl. "And we all said ... no, no. Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan. We need to bomb Afghanistan. And Rumsfeld said there aren't any good targets in Afghanistan. And there are lots of good targets in Iraq. I said, 'Well, there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do with it.

"Initially, I thought when he said, 'There aren't enough targets in-- in Afghanistan,' I thought he was joking.

"I think they wanted to believe that there was a connection, but the CIA was sitting there, the FBI was sitting there, I was sitting there saying we've looked at this issue for years. For years we've looked and there's just no connection."

Clarke says he and CIA Director George Tenet told that to Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Clarke then tells Stahl of being pressured by Mr. Bush.

"The president dragged me into a room with a couple of other people, shut the door, and said, 'I want you to find whether Iraq did this.' Now he never said, 'Make it up.' But the entire conversation left me in absolutely no doubt that George Bush wanted me to come back with a report that said Iraq did this.

"I said, 'Mr. President. We've done this before. We have been looking at this. We looked at it with an open mind. There's no connection.'

"He came back at me and said, "Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there's a connection.' And in a very intimidating way. I mean that we should come back with that answer. We wrote a report."

Clarke continued, "It was a serious look. We got together all the FBI experts, all the CIA experts. We wrote the report. We sent the report out to CIA and found FBI and said, 'Will you sign this report?' They all cleared the report. And we sent it up to the president and it got bounced by the National Security Advisor or Deputy. It got bounced and sent back saying, 'Wrong answer. ... Do it again.'

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 19:53 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:

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ben jij toevallig bekend met imago tactiek in de politiek?

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Op dinsdag 27 juni 2006 20:36 schreef NewOrder het volgende:

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En zolang de Amerikaanse overheid al het harde bewijsmateriaal geheim houdt, zullen we niets wijzer worden. Je moet je dan ook afvragen welk belang daarmee is gediend.

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Het is domweg niet logisch om zoveel bewijsmateriaal achter te houden als je daarmee in een keer alle complottheorieën van tafel kunt vegen en, belangrijker, de bevolking een stuk vertrouwen teruggeeft.

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We moeten er dan ook serieus rekening mee houden met de mogelijkheid dat het achtergehouden bewijsmateriaal een ander beeld geeft van de gebeurtenissen rondom 9/11 dan de officiële lezing.