yupquote:Met name de inhoud van dat gebouw was belangrijk, daarvandaan werd de hele operatie gecoordineerd.
nee hoor A1 skyhawk !quote:Correctie, de gevonden motor heeft niet de juiste maat voor 737, maar wél voor een global-hawk raket.
Die flitsen kunnen ook infrarood zijn ... DigiCams zijn daar gevoelig voor (het menselijk oog niet).quote:Op vrijdag 10 maart 2006 00:49 schreef Oversight het volgende:
[..]kun je je er iets bij voorstellen?
Juist ... de zg. FEMA emergency excercise die betreffende weken waren geen toeval, imo.quote:Met name de inhoud van dat gebouw was belangrijk, daarvandaan werd de hele operatie gecoordineerd.
De burgemeester verlaat zijn commando-centrum echter 45 minuten vóórdat het gebouw instort.
goeie site:quote:Op donderdag 9 maart 2006 23:12 schreef mouzzer het volgende:
Voor diverse filmpjes:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/
quote:Insurance Payouts;
Don Paul also documented the money flows surrounding the loss of Building
In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million.
quote:WTC Security
Companies that Provided Security at the World Trade Center
A company named Stratesec had an ongoing contractor to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down" according to CEO Barry McDaniel. The company, formerly named Securacom, acquired an $8.3 million World Trade Center contract in October 1996, according to SEC filings. The company also provided security for Dulles International Airport and United Airlines between 1995 and 2001. Two of the commandeered flights on September 11th were United Airlines', and one took off from Dulles. 1
Marvin P. Bush, brother of George W. Bush, was a principal in the company between 1993 and 2000. A private Kuwaiti-American investment firm with ties to the Bush family was one of the company's backers.
quote:Twin Towers' Dust Clouds
Photographic Evidence of Dust Clouds From the Twin Towers' Destruction
The dust clouds that issued from the Towers' explosive collapses were unlike anything seen in the history of man-made structures. Even conventional explosive demolitions of large buildings produced far less dust. Their appearance and rate of travel resembled the pyroclastic flows of volcanoes.
als je goed kijkt zie je dat de core eerst bezwijkt...kijk naar de antenne beweging !quote:Zowel de noord- als zuidtoren bezwijken aan één kant,
quote:Op vrijdag 10 maart 2006 00:59 schreef groningerstudent het volgende:
En nu ga ik naar bed. Ik lees morgen wel weer verder.
dat is waarom ik meer waarde hecht aan het herkenen van de titanium onderdelen van de motor achtergelaten ! ga maar ff na welke motor een A1 skywarrior gebruikte en wat voor een onderdeeel (wat van een APU zou moeten zijn ) ...er gevonden is bij het pentagon...dus off een A1 of een...daar gaat hen verhaal !quote:Some reporters said that this boeing 747 later crashed down in Pennsylvania !?
(But the Pennsylvania plane "Flight 93" was a boeing 757 and had ONLY 2 engines and not 4 engines - how do you explain this !?).
As a matter of fact - according to the Official FBI explanation - all four of the involved boeing air planes on Sept.11 - had ONLY 2 engines. They were either boeing 757 or 767 (which only have 2 engines). So the FBI have some problem here !
quote:Metallurgical Examination of WTC Steel Suggests Explosives
Although virtually all of the structural steel from the Twin Towers and Building 7 was removed and destroyed, preventing forensic analysis, FEMA's volunteer investigators did manage to perform “limited metallurgical examination” of some of the steel before it was recycled. Their observations, including numerous micrographs, are recorded in Appendix C of the WTC Building Performance Study. Prior to the release of FEMA's report, a fire protection engineer and two science professors published a brief report in JOM disclosing some of this evidence. 1
The results of the examination are striking. They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese." The New York Times described this as "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation." 2 WPI provides a graphic summary of the phenomenon.
A one-inch column has been reduced to half-inch thickness. Its edges--which are curled like a paper scroll--have been thinned to almost razor sharpness. Gaping holes--some larger than a silver dollar--let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending--but not holes.
FEMA's investigators inferred that a "liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur" formed during a "hot corrosion attack on the steel." The eutectic mixture (having the elements in such proportion as to have the lowest possible melting point) penetrated the steel down grain boundaries, making it "susceptible to erosion."
The page Is There Evidence That Explosive Charges Were Used To Destroy The World Trade Center Towers? provides a summary of the FEMA Report's Appendix C, with references to elements and specific chemical reactions color-coded.
Explosive Evidence. The FEMA report titled World Trade Center Building Performance Study, Appendix C (Available at http://www.fema.gov/library/wtcstudy.shtm) “Limited Metallurgical Examination”, shows evidence of explosives used, by way of photographs, microscopic, and chemical examination. They do not draw this conclusion though. Instead, the authors write (in these selected sentences [The coloring of the text is added here. See below for reason]) “Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure.”... “The thinning of the steel occurred by high temperature corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation.”...“The unusual thinning of the member is most likely due to an attack of the steel by grain boundary penetration of sulfur forming sulfides that contain both iron and copper.”...“A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel.”... “The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown. It is possible that this is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure. A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed to determine what risk, if any, is presented to existing steel structures exposed to severe and long-burning fires.”
quote:Op vrijdag 10 maart 2006 00:59 schreef groningerstudent het volgende:
.Als ik de filmpjes op de 9-11 research site bekijk kan ik niet anders dan tot de conclusie komen dat de torens onder hun eigen gewicht bezweken zijn.
Klopt, maar wel aan één zijde. De antenne valt uiteindelijk naar één kant toe. Zou de kern het in z'n geheel hebben begeven, dan zou de antenne loodrecht naar beneden gezakt zijn.quote:Op vrijdag 10 maart 2006 01:02 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
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als je goed kijkt zie je dat de core eerst bezwijkt...kijk naar de antenne beweging !
Ook hier kan ik natuurlijk moelijk een [i]echt[i] antwoord opgeven. Ik heb de expertise niet. Als ik als leek zijnde zou speculeren zou ik zeggen dat de lucht die tussen de verdiepingen weggeperst wordt (op het moment dat twee verdiepingen op elkaar vallen) het één en ander naar buiten drukt. De facade was lang niet zo sterk als de kern, dus misschien dat de drukgolf genoeg energie had om stukken los te slaan. Tel daarbij op de grote hoogte en het brokstuk heeft tijd zat om horizontaal te bewegen in zijn val.quote:Op vrijdag 10 maart 2006 01:13 schreef Oversight het volgende:
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Grote delen samengeklonken staal van de noord-toren wogen honderden tonnen.
Wáár kwam de energie vandaan die deze delen ruim 600 ft door de lucht deed vliegen om uiteindelijk te landen op het dak van "the wintergarden"?
zie filmpje 1uur20 min, tot aan 1uur 30 minuten.
das net zo onzeker als andere zeggen dat het door de hitte kwamquote:dan zou de antenne loodrecht naar beneden gezakt zijn.
quote:Op vrijdag 10 maart 2006 01:09 schreef YuckFou het volgende:
zijn er dan toch misschien explosieven in het spel?
quote:A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed to determine what risk, if any, is presented to existing steel structures exposed to severe and long-burning fires.”
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