Pride Fight

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Op woensdag 1 maart 2006 14:23 schreef Dacide het volgende:
Vooralsnog niemand eigenlijk :S

Ik moet wel zeggen dat k heel veel respect heb gekregen voor Crocop. Fedor had absoluut een zware partij tegen hem. Dus ik denk dat het crocop "kan" lukken.

Maargoed, Hunt is ook heavy en sluit ook hem zeker niet uit.

Probleem is gewoon dat Fedor een hele goeie puncher is (met zo ontzetten veel kracht in die vuist), hij kan geweldig veel incasseren (weten jullie nog die suplex die hij kreeg van ik dacht randleman..., land vol op zijn nek, hoofd... en gaat zonder morren gewoon verder ), daarnaast is ie een geweldige grondvechter, over zijn ground en pound nog maar niet te spreken..

dus ja... wie o wie is net zo sterk en complet dan fedor?
Misschien een Abrahams tank ofzo

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Gracie magazine recently interviewed both Rodrigo 'Minotauro' Nogueira and Pedro Rizzo, and discussed the topic of Fedor Emelianenko. Here's what Minotauro and Rizzo had to say (interview by Marcelo Dunlop):


Interviewer: The day before he fought Mirko Cro Cop for the heavyweight belt, Emelianenko's breakfast was eggs, bacon, and sausages. What bothers you guys most, the fact that PRIDE today has a non-Brazilian king or that he is, well, chubby?

Rizzo: What is really bothers us is that he's got something on his waist that we want (laughs).

Minotauro: His genetics say he is chubby, but that's got nothing to do with it. There are other great fighters with the same body type, such as Mark Hunt. What we must do is to push one another and train harder. Furthermore, the fact that he is fat makes it even more complicated when it comes to such an explosive, slippery fellow. It's like Jeremy Horn, when the guy is fat and the skin is smooth, it gets hard to grab him.

Rizzo: More muscular fighters have more edges you can grab.

Minotauro: It was three times I fought him, right? What puzzles me is that he is smiling the whole time. As soon as he sees us he starts smiling. Amaury Bitetti says it's because he is happy, he has the belt. What would you want him to do? Cry?

Interviewer: Is the secret in the water he drinks? Or the vodka perhaps?

Minotauro: He does like drinking. I remember after I defeated Mirko he came up to congratulate me with a powerful breath in the lobby of the Japanese hotel. He was all happy and drunk, and he invited me to have a drink with him. I then remembered he owned the belt and I tought, "What I'll have is your neck, now it'll be easy to kick your ass (laughs). But for real, down in Russia those guys train a lot. Both him and his brother, who I used to think had even heavier hands and more dangerous boxing then Fedor. But after this fight with Cro Cop, Fedor showed he has greatly evolved his standup game.

Rizzo: A person's got nothing else to do in that extreme cold. You either train or you train. I've never drank alcohol in my life, but I would have to train like that too, just to warm myself up.

Interviewer: Who can defeat him, and how?

Rizzo: The secret is truly exchanging strikes, and then just let the MMA flow. Because playing on the bottom is difficult, since to attack from the guard you'd have to open it, then he jumps out and stands up.

Minotauro: The key to beating him, to me, is explosion. It's what got in my way when fighting him. I go for the spring, he takes off. I try a thrust, he hits and runs. The person who has best fought him was Arona, who is as explosive as Fedor. Arona took him down and got his back. Arona can take anyone down.

Interviewer: Then it's possible for Arona, and possibly Vanderlei, to give him a run for his money?

Minotauro: Well, it is. Just go there and try it... (everyone laughs)

Interviewer: Can Fedor be deemed the most complete MMA fighter of all time?

(They think for some time.)

Rizzo: These days everyone is complete. He is quite complete, it seems. And he can fight true MMA, he trades standing, he takes down, fights from the top, submits. He doesn't only fight from the bottom. He is good at everything, so in order to beat him one must do everything too.

Minotauro: He's got a good game. But if you look at it, Igor Vovchanchyn has already had a phase like this. For three years he'd beat Kerr, Sakuraba... Until he fell under Coleman and didn't make it out. Fedor hasn't faced a wrestler full on, someone who falls on top... Let's see, he fought Coleman in the end of his career, as well as Randleman. Technically he may not have such a big advantage, but physically he is the fastest heavy guy in MMA history. He tries a punch, misses it, then immediately shoots again - Cro Cop, for example, didn't even see them coming. He's the fastest I've ever seen. Much faster than Mirko. And he's got a great reaction time.

Rizzo: That's what I was going to say, he has a fast eye, good for counter-attacking. And in every fight he shows up with something new under his sleeve. Against Filipovic he used a great clinch-strike combo. He'd go for the uchi-mata, quickly following with a powerful hook.

Minotauro: He must practise that a lot, because it's not easy to improvise that kind of thing. He is really has a good combination of styles, he can go from one art to the other - that's what makes him different.

Rizzo: Exactly, he managed to mix everything. Fedor is not really and excellent striker, not an excellent wrestler, not an excellent ground player, but he is good at everything. To me, Shogun won the Grand Prix because he did like him... Shogun showed the best in MMA skills, went for the striking, clinched, took down, fell on the bottom, reversed, fell on top... And he was the underdog, which somehow helps. The responsibility is helpful too.

Interviewer: Fedor was the underdog in that first fight against Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira in 2003. Minotauro was undefeated until then...

Minotauro: That's right. I fought that one nearly crippled, with a contusion on the sciatic nerve. On the way to the stadium I had to sit in the middle of the street. But it was the main fight and I was there in Japan, what could I do?

Interviewer: How important is the psychological factor in the ring?

Minotauro: A lot. Today, the Russian's mind is strong and it's hard to beat him. I think for example that his brother, Aleksander, has better hands then him. But he probably doesn't have all that stamina...

Interviewer: A Russian director who shot the documentary of Emelianenko's life said he was impressed by Fedor's discipline and humility, and his training routine. Does he let that through, the aspect of a fully disciplined athlete? He claims to run about ten miles daily on the steppes...

Minotauro: He is married and probably has a slow nightlife. The rhythm in places like Russia and Cuba is psychotic, they train their whole lives.

Rizzo: That is it. And Fedor looks like a small refrigerator on top with those little legs underneath. But he invests a lot in training. The same way Rodrigo goes to Cuba and I go to Holland, Fedor is now in Holland all the time training muay thai with Ernesto Hoost. Then he has that conscience concerning his career, another positive trait...

Minotauro: He does have a good manager. He only signs up fights when he is 100% sure

Rizzo: You just have to look at who he's fought this year. He faced a weak Kohsaka and only fought in August because PRIDE's management went there with the contract and the pen and told him, "Sign it or leave!"

Minotauro: If he didn't fight his belt would have fallen again, as it did in 2003. So they pushed him.

Interviewer: What did you guys think about Fedor vs. Mirko? Was the result as expected?

Minotauro: It was, kind of. I even thought that Cro Cop had a chance to win, since he had knocked Fedor's brother out. In the first round Cro Cop was even dangerous, but Fedor is much more of a fighter.

Rizzo: I was betting everything on Fedor. I lived with Mirko in a gym for two months, in the same room. He doesn't have a warrior's heart. You just have to see his style, always backwards. Peter Aerts said something I agree on, "The longer the fight takes, the more chances Mirko has of losing it." He has no heart to turn a fight upside down.

Minotauro: Fedor, on the other hand, will fight you to the death. And Cro Cop fights in the counter-attack, waiting for a hole to get in, which is easier in any kind of martial art. The one who attacks more exposes themselves...

Rizzo: But when you push the rhythm up it gets easier to trap them. Fedor has that style, like Shogun's, of going irresponsibly, and that smothers counter-attacks. But indeed Fedor got out of that fight more injured than Mirko.

Minotauro: What if the opposite happens and Fedor gives Mirko one of those nose blows? I think Mirko just calls for the waiter and asks for the check.

Rizzo: Yes, Mirko never takes the initiative. I always cheer against him. It's like Bob Sapp winning K-1, a big guy with no technique.

Interviewer: What about Fedor's ground play?

Minotauro: It wasn't all that good in that fight. He probably trained to fight standing.

Rizzo: This last fight he mounted about 30 times incorrectly, looked like a horse. But Mirko did some good guard work and defended well. He's got strong legs, hard to get in. He doesn't want to fight you on the floor.

Interviewer: How did the two of you change your preparation after losing to Russian fighters?

Minotauro: Every time you lose it's good because you see something is missing. The guy that's on top with no effort just settles. I'm training to have more force and explosion, working with rubber. That's why I'm on a diet here, when it comes to eating I'm a Gracie for now. Rizzo, I'll go for the cabbage and you for the sausage.

Rizzo: (Laughs) But I believe in genetics. No matter how hard I train, I'll never be as explosive as Cacareco or Randleman. One must find their own path. In my fight against Kharitonov I was stupid, I'd trained for ten days and wasn't well. The first jab I suffered I should have taken him down. After that loss I realized I had to mix my game a bit more. I lack some transitioning between my standup, wrestling, and ground techniques. In MMA everyone is getting good at everything, so we've got to train the weak spots to stay in front.

Minotauro: When everybody is good at everything I want to be home, watching it on TV.

Interviewer: What about the rest of the heavyweight division? Is there anyone else who can show up out of nowhere before the Grand Prix next year?

Minotauro: There's that Roger Gracie kid, he is good. I guess if you put him up against a wrestler in his debut he can make it.

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Op donderdag 2 maart 2006 16:32 schreef Noener het volgende:
toen de scheids tussen beide kwam omdat hij zag dat shogun niet verder kon, gooide coleman hem gewoon opzij :S Kan je ook niet echt van respect spreken. Het gekke is alleen dat hij weer geen gele kaart krijgt.
Niet dat ze ook maar iets om die gele kaart geven, maar het gaat om het idee

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Op donderdag 2 maart 2006 18:01 schreef BB_Koning het volgende:

lang verhaal

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Op woensdag 1 maart 2006 14:28 schreef Dacide het volgende:
rua = 91kg
fedor = 106 kg

zijn idd een 16 kilo (spier) verschil... toch wel behoorlijk ja.

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Op vrijdag 3 maart 2006 00:25 schreef Johnny_Footballhero het volgende:
Wat is het beste torrent-programma? ABC-torrent is niks, die vreet je CPU leeg.

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Op vrijdag 3 maart 2006 00:01 schreef BB_Koning het volgende:
Heeft Silva nog goed uit kunnen halen naar Coleman? Ik heb het hele gebeuren niet gezien, ik ga ook die torrents dinges checken, hoeveel mb/gb is het?

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Op donderdag 2 maart 2006 18:16 schreef Dacide het volgende:

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Het moment dat de scheids tussenbeiden kwam was erg verwarrend.. aangezien er voor coleman geen reden was om te stoppen. In de verwarring trekt hij hem omver. Daarna ziet hij dat Shogun erg veel pijn heeft en coleman wordt dan weer wat rustiger.

MAAR op dat moment knallen er ff tig man van shute boxe de ring in en vallen coleman aan..

kom op zeg.

Zelfs bas rutten vond het schandalig van shute box. En hij heeft alles met zijn eigen ogen mogen aanschouwen.

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Op maandag 9 januari 2006 18:05 schreef sjimz het volgende:
sinds wanneer is remy een pride fighter?
en liddell vecht in UFC en niet in pride. (hij heeft ooit 2 partijen in Pride gevohten in 2003)
Beetje raar om die mensen te nomineren terwijl ze niet eens vechten in Pride
+ silva en igor zijn op dit moment geen HW.... dus ook al verschillende gewichtsklasse...
het is een beetje appels met peren vergelijken!

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Op vrijdag 3 maart 2006 11:11 schreef Dacide het volgende:

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uithalen valt mee.. hij trapte hem wel een paar keer in zijn hals/keel

maar ninja rua heeft coleman wel een paar keer flink geraakt.

sorry hoor.. maar chute boxe heeft zich even flink verlaagt die avond.

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Op vrijdag 3 maart 2006 13:12 schreef SimtekF1 het volgende:

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Volgens mij was het andersom.
Silva heeft Coleman geprobeerd te pakken maar Baroni haalde Silva naar de grond, en daarna stond Coleman met z'n poten op de hals van Silva hehe.

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Op vrijdag 3 maart 2006 13:10 schreef SimtekF1 het volgende:

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Ghehe dat was dus ook het eerste wat mij gelijk op viel.
Bonjasky -> K1
Liddel -> UFC

En waar is Hunt?
Hunt is toch wel de upcoming vechter in Pride dacht ik zo.

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Op vrijdag 3 maart 2006 14:31 schreef Dacide het volgende:

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liddell vecht ook soms voor pride..