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  FOK!fotograaf dinsdag 10 mei 2005 @ 14:24:41 #1
73911 ultra_ivo
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In sw Nwq York Times kwam ik gisteren een interesant bericht tegen.
De regering Bush zit met een dilemma. Zij propageert de oorlog tegen het terrorisme. Maar kort geleden is een Cubaans terrorist, Posada, in de VS aangekomen. Hij is illegaal het land ingekomen en er ligt nu een uitleveringsverzoek van Venezuela. Posada wordt verantwoordelijk gehouden voor een bomaanslag op een Cubaans pasagiersvliegtuig. Betrokkenheid bij andere aanslagen heeft hij toegegeven.
Zelfs de New York Times ziet dit als een test voor de regering Bush. Hoe universeel is zijn afkeer van terrorisme. Als Bush zich aan zijn woord houdt zit er voor hem maar een ding op, Posada uitleveren aan Venezuela.

(origineel artikel als quote bijgevoegd)
quote:
Cuban Exile Could Test U.S. Definition of Terrorist


By TIM WEINER
Published: May 9, 2005

MIAMI, May 5 - From the United States through Latin America and the Caribbean, Luis Posada Carriles has spent 45 years fighting a violent, losing battle to overthrow Fidel Castro. Now he may have nowhere to hide but here.
Mr. Posada, a Cuban exile, has long been a symbol for the armed anti-Castro movement in the United States. He remains a prime suspect in the bombing of a Cuban commercial airliner that killed 73 people in 1976. He has admitted to plotting attacks that damaged tourist spots in Havana and killed an Italian visitor there in 1997. He was convicted in Panama in a 2000 bomb plot against Mr. Castro. He is no longer welcome in his old Latin America haunts.

Mr. Posada, 77, sneaked back into Florida six weeks ago in an effort to seek political asylum for having served as a cold war soldier on the payroll of the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1960's, his lawyer, Eduardo Soto, said at a news conference last month.

But the government of Venezuela wants to extradite and retry him for the Cuban airline bombing. Mr. Posada was involved "up to his eyeballs" in planning the attack, said Carter Cornick, a retired counterterrorism specialist for the Federal Bureau of Investigation who investigated Mr. Posada's role in that case. A newly declassified 1976 F.B.I. document places Mr. Posada, who had been a senior Venezuelan intelligence officer, at two meetings where the bombing was planned.

As "the author or accomplice of homicide," Venezuela's Supreme Court said Tuesday, "he must be extradited and judged."

The United States government has no plan yet in place for handling the extradition request, according to spokesmen for several agencies. Roger F. Noriega, the top State Department official for Western Hemisphere affairs, said he did not even know whether Mr. Posada was in the country. In fact, Mr. Posada has not been seen in public, and his lawyer did not return repeated telephone calls seeking to confirm his presence.

Mr. Posada's case could create tension between the politics of the global war on terrorism and the ghosts of the cold war on communism. If Mr. Posada has indeed illegally entered the United States, the Bush administration has three choices: granting him asylum; jailing him for illegal entry; or granting Venezuela's request for extradition.

A grant of asylum could invite charges that the Bush administration is compromising its principle that no nation should harbor suspected terrorists. But to turn Mr. Posada away could provoke political wrath in the conservative Cuban-American communities of South Florida, deep sources of support and campaign money for President Bush and his brother Jeb, the state's governor.

To jail Mr. Posada would be a political bonanza for Mr. Castro, who has railed against him in recent speeches, calling him the worst terrorist in the Western Hemisphere.

To allow his extradition would hand a victory to President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela, Mr. Castro's closest ally in Latin America and no friend to President Bush.

"As a Cuban, as a freedom fighter myself, I believe he should be granted asylum," said Marcelino Miyares, a veteran of the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion and president of the Christian Democratic Party of Cuba, which is based in Miami. "But it's a no-win situation for the United States government."

Orlando Bosch, the most prominent face of the violent anti-Castro wing in Florida, said in an interview broadcast on Tuesday in Miami that he had spoken by telephone with Mr. Posada, who, "as everybody knows, is here."

Mr. Bosch, a longtime ally of Mr. Posada's, presented a similar problem for the United States in 1989, when the Justice Department moved to deport him despite resistance from Miami's Cuban-Americans.

The Justice Department called Mr. Bosch "a terrorist, unfettered by laws or human decency, threatening and inflicting violence without regard to the identity of his victims," in the words of Joe D. Whitley, then an associate United States attorney general. Mr. Whitley added: "The United States cannot tolerate the inherent inhumanity of terrorism as a way of settling disputes. Appeasement of those who would use force will only breed more terrorists. We must look on terrorism as a universal evil, even if it is directed toward those with whom we have no political sympathy."

The first Bush administration overruled the deportation in 1990; Mr. Bosch remained in Florida. Mr. Whitley, now general counsel for the Department of Homeland Security, declined to comment on the Posada case.

Mr. Posada is said to be sick with cancer, facing mortality. Some veterans of the Bay of Pigs say the armed struggle he represents is dying, too.

"I believe that movement is already dead," Mr. Miyares said.

Alfredo Durán, who was captured at the Bay of Pigs and later led a militant anti-Castro group, said that "after 9/11, it has become inexcusable to defend attacks that could kill innocent civilians."

"Everybody's renouncing violence except a small group of ultra-hard-core right-wingers," said Mr. Durán, now a lawyer in Miami advocating peaceful change in Cuba.

Mr. Durán said that Mr. Posada had never renounced violence and that the question for the United States was whether to denounce him despite his service during the cold war.

Mr. Posada served with the C.I.A. from 1961 to 1967, according to declassified United States government records. He was scheduled to land at the Bay of Pigs, the attack on Cuba ordered by the Kennedy administration, but his mission was canceled when the invasion collapsed. He kept in close touch with the agency after leaving it and joining Venezuela's intelligence service, known by its initials as Disip, where he served as a senior officer from 1969 to 1974, according to the declassified records and retired American officials who served in Venezuela.

In 1974, after a change in government, Mr. Posada set up a detective agency in the capital, Caracas, an office through which many anti-Castro Cubans passed, according to F.B.I. records. He retained his links to Disip, a militantly anti-Castro agency in those cold war days.

Then, amid an international wave of violence by the anti-Castro movement, including the attempted bombing of a New York City concert hall, two attacks shook the United States and Cuba.

On Sept. 21, 1976, in the heart of Washington, a car bomb killed a former foreign minister of Chile, Orlando Letelier, and an American aide, Ronni Moffitt; at the time, it was one of the worst acts of foreign terrorism on American soil. Fifteen days later, a Cubana Airlines flight with 73 people on board was blown out of the sky off the coast of Barbados in the worst terrorist attack in Cuban history.

Mr. Cornick, the F.B.I. counterterrorism specialist who worked on the Letelier case, said in an interview that both bombings were planned at a June 1976 meeting in Santo Domingo attended by, among others, Mr. Posada.

"The Cubana bomb went off, the people were killed, and there were tracks leading right back to Disip," said Mr. Cornick, who is now retired.

"The information was so strong that they locked up Posada as a preventative measure - to prevent him from talking or being killed. They knew that he had been involved," said Mr. Cornick, referring to the Venezuelan authorities. "There was no doubt in anyone's mind, including mine, that he was up to his eyeballs" in the Cubana bombing.

A November 1976 F.B.I. report, based on the word of a trusted Cuban-American informer, Ricardo Morales, places Mr. Posada at two meetings where the Cubana bombing was plotted. It quotes the informer directly: "If Posada Carriles talks," it says, "the Venezuelan government will 'go down the tube.' " The document was obtained from government files by the National Security Archive, a private research group in Washington.

Mr. Posada has always denied that he had a role in the bombing. But he was detained by the Venezuelan government for almost nine years in the case - never formally convicted, never fully acquitted. Finally, in 1985, he escaped his minimum-security confines.

He found work in El Salvador as a quartermaster for the contras, the rebels fighting the Nicaraguan government, whose mission was financed by the C.I.A. and Lt. Col. Oliver L. North of the National Security Council. After that covert operation was exposed in 1986, Mr. Posada landed in Guatemala, working as a government intelligence officer. In 1990, he was nearly killed in Guatemala by gunmen who he has said he suspected were sent by Mr. Castro.

After a slow recovery, Mr. Posada, by his own admission, ran a string of operatives on a series of missions to blow up Cuban people and places. Mr. Posada spoke to The New York Times seven years ago, boasting of what was then his latest exploit, a string of bombings at Havana's hottest tourist spots that terrorized the city and killed an Italian visitor.

Then in November 2000, he traveled to Panama, accompanied by Guillermo Novo, whose conviction in the Letelier bombing had been overturned on appeal; Gaspar Jiménez, convicted of trying to kidnap a Cuban diplomat in Mexico in 1977; and Pedro Remón, convicted of the attempted murder of Cuba's ambassador to the United Nations in 1980.

The moment Mr. Castro arrived in Panama for an international conference, he accused Mr. Posada of plotting against his life. Mr. Posada was seized, along with his three colleagues and 33 pounds of the plastic explosive C-4. Despite Mr. Posada's protest that the case was a sting set up by the Cuban spy service, he received an eight-year sentence in April 2004 for endangering public safety.

Eight months ago, in her last week in office, President Mireya Moscoso of Panama pardoned the men. She cited humanitarian grounds. Ms. Moscoso, who has long had a home in Key Biscayne, has strong social ties to Cuban conservatives in South Florida, said Mr. Durán, the Bay of Pigs veteran.

Her successor, Martín Torrijos, criticized the pardon at his inauguration, saying, "For me, there are not two classes of terrorism, one that is condemned and another that is pardoned."

Mr. Posada left Panama City and flew to San Pedro Sula, Honduras, bearing a false American passport, according to President Ricardo Maduro, who publicly denounced him.

Mr. Posada left Honduras in a hurry. Mr. Castro said in a recent speech that Mr. Posada then went to the Mexican resort Isla Mujeres and arrived in Florida on a boat owned by a Cuban-American developer in Miami. The Cuban leader offered no proof.

If Mr. Posada wants asylum, "there will come a time when he will have to come out of the dark," Mr. Durán said. "At that point, he could be arrested for illegal entry." But in the present political climate, "the only place he's safe is here - even if he's in jail."
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Er spelen hier andere belangen dus dat zal wel niet uitleveren worden.
Wel interessant om te volgen.
  dinsdag 10 mei 2005 @ 21:41:44 #3
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Die gaat gewoon (weer) naar Panama ofzo, Nederland is immer ook lid van de coalitie tegen terrorisme maar wij hebben hier ook gewoon terroristen asiel gegeven dus... dan mag Panama het ook.
"Pim Fortuyn was een Cylon" - Theo van Gogh te Amsterdam 5-8-2005
  Moderator dinsdag 10 mei 2005 @ 21:57:07 #4
14679 crew  sp3c
Geef me die goud!!!
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gemakkelijkste weg zou zijn om hem aan het Internationaal strafhof af te leveren.

dan geven ze Venezuela niet zijn zin want daar zijn ze geen vrienden meer mee en doen ze alsof het strafhof belangrijk is en accepteren ze nog altijd geen terroristen

win win win
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
  FOK!fotograaf dinsdag 10 mei 2005 @ 22:35:36 #5
73911 ultra_ivo
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Probleem is alleen dat Bush het Internationaal Strafhof niet ziet zitten.
Bij iemand die terroristische daden in veschillende landen heeft verricht zou dit wel een goede optie zijn.
  dinsdag 10 mei 2005 @ 23:48:19 #6
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Misschien kan hij in Irak gaan werken als anti-terrorisme expert? ze schijnen goed te schuiven
"Pim Fortuyn was een Cylon" - Theo van Gogh te Amsterdam 5-8-2005
  Moderator dinsdag 10 mei 2005 @ 23:52:51 #7
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Geef me die goud!!!
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quote:
Op dinsdag 10 mei 2005 22:35 schreef ultra_ivo het volgende:
Probleem is alleen dat Bush het Internationaal Strafhof niet ziet zitten.
hij ziet Frankrijk ook niet zitten maar daar gaat hij ook om de week naar toe om vrienden te maken
quote:
Bij iemand die terroristische daden in veschillende landen heeft verricht zou dit wel een goede optie zijn.
ja daarom zeg ik, stuur die gast naar het freaking strafhof ipv Venezuela
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
  woensdag 11 mei 2005 @ 13:05:57 #8
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quote:
Cuba 'plane bomber' was CIA agent

Declassified US government documents show that a man suspected of involvement in the bombing of a Cuban passenger plane worked for the CIA. Luis Posada Carriles, a Cuban-born Venezuelan and anti-Castro dissident, was an agent and informer.

The papers also reveal that an FBI informer "all but admitted" that Mr Posada was one of those behind the 1976 bombing that killed 73 people. Mr Posada, who denies any involvement, is said to be seeking asylum in the US.

His lawyer says his client, thought to be in hiding in the Miami area, deserves US protection because of his long years of service to the country.

US officials say they have no evidence that Mr Posada is in the country, and add that they would deal with an asylum application from him as they would any other.

No conviction
The documents, released by George Washington University's National Security Archive, show that Mr Posada, now in his 70s, was on the CIA payroll from the 1960s until mid-1976.

One FBI report quoted a confidential source as saying that Mr Posada was one of several people who met at least twice at a hotel in Caracas, allegedly to discuss bombing a Cubana airlines plane.

The report recommended that no action be taken on the information, as it would compromise its source.

Mr Posada was arrested in Venezuela after the bombing, but was not convicted before he escaped from prison.

The US documents show that he later went to central America, where he joined the covert US operation, led by Lt Col Oliver North, to rearm the anti-communist Contra guerrillas.

Diplomatic row
Mr Posada once boasted of being responsible for a series of bomb attacks on Havana tourist spots in the 1990s. Five years ago, he was arrested in Panama and accused of plotting to kill President Fidel Castro during a summit there.

He was convicted of a lesser charge, but was later pardoned and freed by the outgoing Panamanian president - causing Cuba to break off diplomatic relations.

His alleged reappearance in Miami has provoked the wrath of the Cuban government, which accuses Washington of harbouring an alleged terrorist.

Venezuela - a close ally of Cuba - says it is planning to seek his extradition. If Mr Posada has applied for asylum, his case will present the Bush administration a dilemma, says the BBC's Paul Keller in Miami.

The US would have to reconcile its traditional sympathy for the politically influential Cuban exiles in Miami and its firm stand against suspected terrorists in the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks, our correspondent says.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4535661.stm
  FOK!fotograaf woensdag 11 mei 2005 @ 13:09:40 #9
73911 ultra_ivo
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De vraag is in hoeverre Posada wil gaan praten als Bush z'n handen van hem aftrekt.
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quote:
VS arresteren Cubaanse terrorist Posada

De Amerikaanse vreemdelingendienst heeft dinsdag in Miami de van origine Cubaanse terrorist Luis Posada Carriles gearresteerd.
Dat heeft het Amerikaanse ministerie voor binnenlandse veiligheid bekendgemaakt.

Posada wordt zowel door Cuba als door Venezuela gezocht op verdenking van betrokkenheid bij de aanslag op een Cubaanse passagiersvliegtuig in 1976, die alle 73 inzittenden het leven kostte.

Het ministerie wilde niet zeggen wat er nu met de 77-jarige Posada, een ex-medewerker van de CIA en de Venezolaanse veiligheidsdienst, gaat gebeuren. Wel werd verklaard dat de Verenigde Staten in principe geen mensen uitleveren aan Cuba of landen die op Cubaans verzoek om uitlevering vragen. Volgens het ministerie heeft de vreemdelingendienst 48 uur de tijd om te bepalen welke immigrantenstatus Posada krijgt.

Posada, die sinds de jaren '70 de Venezolaanse nationaliteit heeft, wordt in Venezuela gezocht voor moord en hoogverraad. Hij is er aangeklaagd wegens betrokkenheid bij de aanslag op het Cubaanse vliegtuig, dat vloog van Caracas naar Havana, bijna dertig jaar geleden. Onlangs maakten de Amerikaanse autoriteiten documenten openbaar waaruit viel op te maken dat Posada in die jaren voor de CIA werkte en inderdaad achter de aanslag zat. Venezuela diende vorige week, mede op aangeven van de Cubaanse leider Fidel Castro, een uitleveringsverzoek voor Posada in bij de VS.
Posada werd in Venezuela twee keer vrijgesproken van betrokkenheid bij de aanslag. In 1985 vluchtte hij uit de gevangenis in dat land, waar hij zat in afwachting van het vonnis in een derde proces. In 2001 werd hij aangeklaagd wegens het beramen van een moordaanslag op Castro, van wie hij een fel tegenstander is, op een conferentie in Panama een jaar eerder. Hij werd gevangengezet, maar kreeg vorig jaar gratie van de president van Panama, waarop hij weer verdween.
In maart dook hij vervolgens op in de grote gemeenschap van Cubaanse ballingen in Florida en kondigde hij aan asiel te willen aanvragen in de VS, waarna hij zich twee maanden lang verstopte voor de autoriteiten. De afgelopen week verscheen hij ineens weer en gaf interviews op televisie en voor kranten.
Castro voert al sinds begin deze maand een felle campagne voor de arrestatie en uitlevering van Posada. Dinsdag leidde hij nog een stoet van duizenden mensen langs de Amerikaanse diplomatieke vertegenwoordiging in de Zwitserse ambassade in Havana om zijn eis kracht bij te zetten.
http://www.gva.be/nieuws/(...)2-B4F4-4117235F9E84}

misschien vandaag meer erover
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Dat ze hem niet meteen naar Guantanamo Bay hebben gestuurd...de terrorist.
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Hij is weer op vrije voeten:
quote:
EL PASO, United States (AFP) - A former CIA operative wanted by Cuba and Venezuela for the 1976 bombing of a Cuban jet was freed on bond in Texas Thursday, prompting protests from Havana and Caracas, which have demanded his extradition.

Luis Posada Carriles, a fierce opponent of Cuban leader Fidel Castro, was released Thursday morning, despite opposition from relatives of the 73 people killed in the airliner's downing.

Posada was released on a 350,000-dollar bond pending the May 11 start of his trial on immigration fraud and other charges.

His lawyers said Posada Carriles immediately left for Miami.

Earlier this month a US judge in El Paso said the Cuban-born Venezuelan national could be released on bail on condition he remain confined to his home in Miami and submitted to "electronic monitoring."

[..]

"We are deeply outraged," Camilo Rojo, who lost his father in the bombing, told AFP in Cuba. "They are protecting the murderer of our parents."

"It is a lack of respect for all victims of terrorism, not only in Cuba but in the whole world," said Rojo.

Posada Carriles was detained in Venezuela in 1976 and convicted of masterminding the downing of the Cuban jet off Barbados. But he managed to escape from prison in 1985.

He was also sentenced to eight years' jail in Panama in a bomb plot to assassinate Castro during an Ibero-American summit in 2000, and was pardoned four years later by then president Mireya Moscoso.

Posada Carriles was detained by US immigration officials in May 2005 for entering the United States illegally.

US authorities have refused to extradite him to Venezuela or Cuba, claiming he might be tortured there. They have tried to deport Posada Carriles to another country, but have not found any willing to accept him.

The Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency, which had tried to block the release, criticized the judge's order.

The agency stressed one of the conditions for the release was that Posada Carriles make "good faith efforts to obtain a travel document from any government in the world."

"The supervision order does not affect Posada's removal order," ICE said. "Likewise, it does not constitute an admission to the United States and it does not accord him any legal status in the United States."

Havana and Caracas say that Washington is harboring a known terrorist despite its claims to be waging a "war on terror."

The Cuban foreign ministry has called the US indictment "a smoke screen to grant him impunity for the serious crime of terrorism."

Declassified US documents show that Posada Carriles worked for the CIA from 1965 to June 1976. He reportedly helped the US government ferry supplies to the Contra rebels who waged a bloody campaign to topple the socialist Sandinista government in Nicaragua in the 1980s.
Ze zitten nog steeds te janken over hun 32 doden, maar de moordenaar van 73 buitenlanders krijgt een enkelbandje...

'Hij zou kunnen gemarteld worden'. Volgens welke definitie van martelen, die van Geneve of de afgezwakte versie die Alberto Gonzales voor Bush opgesteld heeft? Misschien is Gonzales harde ondervragingen gewoon, veel kwam er gisteren voor de senaatcommisie niet uit.
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Redelijk hypocriet dit, onschuldige mensen doden mag best, zolang dit maar cubanen zijn?
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Ook redelijk zuur dat deze man zomaar wordt vrijgelaten terwijl "the Cuban five" waarschijnlijk de rest van hun leven in de VS achter slot en grendel zullen zitten omdat ze inlichtingen verzamelden over de activiteiten van terroristen als Posada Carriles.

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