Gevonden. Niet zo geniaal als ik me herinnerde, maar desalnietemin a fun read.
Q: You’ve had some issues before with record labels that could be viewed as less than favorable. How do you see the business now and how do you personally conduct your bands and projects with the experiences you’ve had? Can you talk about your relationship with TeePee Records?
D. Brown: Hot damn, Deanna, cutting right to the chafe I see. It’s really no secret that I’ve had numerous, and I mean numerous bad experiences with record labels and people who are in the “industry,” over the years. On the other hand, I’ve had a handful of record labels that have been completely honest and hard working people get behind my projects. I think that if there is one bit of advice I could give to anyone getting ready to sign a “deal” it would be to get to know the people who are going to be promoting, selling, and collecting the profits from your project. And I don’t just mean “get to know” on a casual basis. I mean really get to know them. Talk to them as much as you can before you sign. Dig into the psyche of those motherfuckers and make sure they are people you can believe in ethically and philosophically. Call and ask people who distribute their product what kind of experiences they have had with the label. Call and ask other bands on the label what kind of experiences that have had with the label. Of course, you are going to have your attorney look through and approve of any contract, but no matter how iron clad that contract is you had better be ready to either go to war or concede defeat if that label turns out to be a bunch of criminals. Really, it’s easy to say that you are going to sue someone, but how many people have ever gone through the bullshit and financial burden of that process?
Let me give you a couple of examples just to show you what I mean.
With Meteorcity Records, I am in continual contact with the folks who run the show there. If I have a question about any of my releases, my questions are answered in a realistically timely fashion. When it’s time contractually for them to show me the sales figures and a general report on any of my releases, they send it to me. Plain and simple, right? Now that is a good experience, and really the way an indie label should be run . . .by people who are honest and generally ethical businessmen.
And then there are those folks like the ones who run TeePee. Let me just give you a few facts about what can happen even when you think you have taken every precaution and been as straight forward with a group of people who run a “business” as you can be. Hermano had a great attorney go through every millimeter of that contract when we entered into agreement with TeePee. Really, the parameters of the agreement we have with them are airtight, but when a label such as TeePee decides they simply will not pay or report, there is a whole slew of shit that a band has to go through in order to make them do the things they are contractually obligated to provide.
The facts, as I see them, go something like this. When Hermano signed with TeePee, those guys were the most cordial sweethearts in the world. They gave us a few bucks to help out with touring (promoting the record so that they could sell more, of course), and they actually provided us with one report about five months after the record was released. That report gave us a significant number of records that had been sold, and that was based upon sales merely three months into the release of “Only a Suggestion.” Essentially, there were more than enough sales in that report to cover nearly all of the financial assistance they put into helping us release it. But, of course, we found a number of discrepancies in that report, and somehow they were attempting to state that we owed them an enormous amount of money. We owed them! How that happens with a record that they didn’t sink a dime into as far as a recording budget to recoup, and only gave us a few thousand dollars to help out with tour support I haven’t the slightest idea.
The turn for the worse with those guys, though, came a few months later when they wanted to enter into negotiations for a second record. We were more than happy to send them a budget and get things up and running with another release, but they refused to meet the financial requirement we would need to produce that record. I don’t want it to sound like we put this enormous number out there, either. Truly, it was a budget that barely covered our travel and tracking, and living expenses. Look, I love to create music, but I also have a wife and children to feed. The budget they sent back to us would have basically put me in a situation where my family’s well being would have been in jeopardy. I’m sure everyone realizes that recording a record from the beginning of the process to the end isn’t something that is done in a day, or even just a weekend. It would be insane and irresponsible for me to lose money on recording a record and have my family go without food or shelter. When I did the first Hermano record, I sunk about $3000.00 out of my own pocket into the production, but I was single and didn’t have even half of the responsibilities that I carry on my shoulders today. That’s not a cop out. That’s just the way it is, and the way I’ve chosen things to be.
Anyway, when we couldn’t see eye to eye on the second record, it was at that very moment that TeePee began to refuse to issue any more reports to us, or, in general have any kind of contact with us that wasn’t filled with animosity or threats. Really, Deanna, it was so fucking petty that I just had to ignore it for a while and allow my management to attempt to deal with them. After about eight more months went by, though, without a report, I began to get a little offended by the fact that not only were those guys refusing to contact and provide us with some kind of data, but they had also reneged on their obligation to pay back Frank Kozik the money they owed to him for being the initial backer of the project. That’s an entirely different story in itself, but briefly Frank had been one of the first people to believe in what Hermano was doing . . . enough to foot the bill for completing the record. I don’t know Frank Kozik well, and actually almost every time I’ve spoken with him he has sounded like a real asshole on the telephone, but beyond all that Frank was the man who stood behind the Hermano project when he knew damn well that American Records wasn’t going to allow him to release “Only a Suggestion,” and that took some real balls in my opinion. That’s another tangent as well, though! To get back to the point, I was determined from the very beginning to make sure Frank got his money back for helping us out, and had that included in the contract with TeePee, but, of course, they haven’t paid him off either . . . at least not to my knowledge, but, then again, I wouldn’t know that either because I haven’t seen a single goddamn report on “Only a Suggestion” since that first one I received nearly two years ago. It’s funny, but at that eight month point, after numerous emails and telephone calls from everyone in Hermano, our management, and our attorney concerning receiving a report, I began to let a little steam off in the press about these facts, and suddenly, after almost a year of hearing nothing from TeePee, I began to receive threatening email after threatening email from them saying that they were going to sue me for libel for mentioning the truth about how they have dealt with me and the rest of Hermano. To tell you the truth, they are extremely hilarious, and I sometimes pull them out just to take a look at how pathetic some people can be. A few of my favorite quotes from them are these:
“Since you took the first shot, I will make it my mission to bury you and Hermano.” 10-10-03
“Dale and I are going to post your last royalty statement and pull the sheet off this fucking sharade.” 10-10-03
“Fuck you, Dandy Brown. I’ve got nothing to hide.” 10-16-03
“All of you (bands) are the same. Blame the label for why you and your band are unsuccessful.” 10-16-03
“I can’t wait to fuckin’ see you so that I can unload all my frustrations on your pathetic bald head.” 10-17-04
Really, the emails are all filled with shit like that, and I can only respond by saying that I have been anxiously waiting for him to post my royalty statement on line! At least then I could see it. Nothing to hide? Well, then why in the hell haven’t I received a statement for nearly two years? Why hasn’t Frank Kozik been paid? And I’m still waiting for Tony to show up and unload all of these frustrations he wrote about. Immediately after he sent me that one, I replied with my address, directions to my house, and what time I get home from work. I’ve yet to see him.
I know I’m going off on this subject . . . maybe a little too much. The fact of the matter is, though, Deanna, I’ve just gotten sick with this entire situation. It just blows my mind that this episode has boiled down to a matter of principle where I’m left with the choice of having to spend a shit-load of money and give up a fuck-load of my time in order to pursue a few grand to the good once the entire experience is over, or simply give it up. What else am I left to do other than bitch?
Get to know those motherfuckers first!
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