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> Subject: War
>
> The following was posted by Tamim Ansary, an Afghani-American writer, to
an
> internet group I belong to. He
> has given permission for it to be circulated. I feel that he outlines the
> problems only too well. Such a scary future
> ...
>>>>
>
> I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the
Stone
> Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk
> Radio today, allowed that this would mean killing innocent people, people
> who had nothing to do with this
> atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What
>
> else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether
we
> "have the
>
> belly to do what must be done."
>
> And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am
> from Afghanistan, and even though
> I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's going on
there.
> So I want to tell anyone who will listen
> how it all looks from where I'm standing.
>
> I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no
doubt
> in my mind that these people were
> responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be
> done about those monsters.
>
> But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the
> government of Afghanistan. The
> Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in
1997.
> Bin Laden is a political criminal
> with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin
>
> Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think
> "the Jews in the concentration
> camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this
> atrocity. They were the first victims of
> the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there, take
out
> the Taliban and clear out the rats
> nest of international thugs holed up in their country.
>
> Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The
> answer is, they're starved, exhausted,
> hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations
> estimated that there are 500,000 disabled
> orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food. There are
>
> millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in
> mass graves. The soil is littered with
> land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few
of
> the reasons why the Afghan people
> have not overthrown the Taliban.
>
> We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.
> Trouble is, that's been done. The
> Soviets took care of it already.
>
> Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses?
> Done.
>
> Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done.
>
> Eradicate their hospitals? Done.
>
> Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health care?
>
> Too late. Someone already did all that.
>
> New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least
> get the Taliban? Not likely. In
> today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to
move
> around. They'd slip away and hide.
> Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move
> too fast, they don't even have
> wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a
> strike against the criminals who did
> this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with
the
> Taliban--by raping once again the
> people they've been raping all this time.
>
> So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true
> fear and trembling. The only way to
> get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. When people speak of
> "having the belly to do what needs to
> be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as
> needed. Having the belly to overcome
> any moral qualms about killing innocent people.
>
> Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is
> Americans dying. And not just because some
> Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's
> hideout. It's much bigger than that
> folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through
> Pakistan. Would they let us? Not
> likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim
> nations just stand by?
>
> You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and
> the West. And guess what: that's Bin
> Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants. That's why he did this.
Read
> his speeches and statements. It's all
> right there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem
> ridiculous, but he figures if he can
> polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers.
If
> the west wreaks a holocaust in those
> lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even
better
> from Bin Laden's point of view. He's
> probably wrong, in the end the west would win, whatever that would mean,
but
> the war would last for years and
> millions would die, not just theirs but ours.
>
> Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?
>
> ??
Jusqu'ici tout va bien...
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Laten we afspreken dat we in vervolg alle kettingbrieven in GC plaatsen en niet in AN&M.

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quote:
Op woensdag 19 september 2001 10:21 schreef Manono het volgende:
We're flirting with a world war between Islam and
> the West. And guess what: that's Bin
> Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants. That's why he did this.
Bin Laden kan wel zoveel willen, maar dat gebeurt toch echt niet een twee drie. De Taliban is in de eerste plaats een extreme afsplitsing van een sekte die pas ergens in 1867 gesticht is door ene Mohammed Qasim Nanotvi. De Deobandi beweging/stroming om precies te zijn. Die op zijn beurt ook weer voortkomt uit een andere sub beweging. Dus dat de hele islamitische wereld als een man achter de Taliban gaat staan lijkt me sterk.

Als Amerika maar niet zo stom is om de oorlog te verklaren aan gehele islamitische wereld, dan is er verder nog niet zoveel aan de hand hoor.

Geef mijn taartpunt maar aan Pim!
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waarschijnlijk is Bin Laden alleen maar uit op een heilige oorlog..
Dat hij zijn acties bezegeld met "in god's woord"( Allah Akhbar) zegt al genoeg!

inderdaad hopen dat de westerse wereld niet daarop inspringt want een blinde kan zien dat de islamitische wereld ook de acties van Bin Laden niet goedkeurt

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