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  maandag 27 december 2004 @ 09:33:05 #226
85299 HarigeKerel
Ontvacht dus Tabee
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EU/VS vs Rusland 1-0.
"Pim Fortuyn was een Cylon" - Theo van Gogh te Amsterdam 5-8-2005
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Het verschil is nog niet overdreven groot eigenlijk !

En die oost-west verdeeldheid gaat ze nog opbreken .
Als het niet wil branden moet je beter stoken.
  FOK!Fotograaf maandag 27 december 2004 @ 17:54:33 #229
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Die oost-west verdeeldheid is er al zolang de Oekraïene bestaat.
Overigens, HarigeKerel, dergelijke triomfreactie's van buiten maken het alleen maar moeiljker om nu verzoening in de Oekraïene te krijgen.
  FOK!Fotograaf maandag 27 december 2004 @ 19:16:49 #230
73911 ultra_ivo
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En het blijft doorgaan in de Oekraïene, het de rechters mogen weer aan het werk.

nu.nl:
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Kamp Janoekovitsj dient honderden bezwaren in (video)

Uitgegeven: 27 december 2004 13:13
Laatst gewijzigd: 27 december 2004 17:12

KIEV - Medestanders van de Oekraïense premier Janoekovitsj die ogenschijnlijk de presidentsverkiezingen van zondag heeft verloren, hebben honderden bezwaarschriften ingediend tegen het verloop van de stembusgang.

De Centrale Kiescommissie maakte maandag bekend dat het 550 bezwaren heeft ontvangen, aldus het Russische persbureau Interfax.

Bekijk video:
Modem/ Breedband


Na telling van bijna alle stemmen (98,1 procent) ligt oppositieleider Viktor Joesjtsjenko met 52,3 procent voor op Janoekovitsj die 43,9 procent kreeg. Campagneleider Tsjornovil van de premier sprak na het sluiten van de stemlokalen op zondag meteen al van massale fraude.

Zeker 1,5 miljoen kiesgerechtigden die slecht ter been zouden zijn, konden niet stemmen door een nieuwe wet die thuisstemmen verbiedt. Janoekovitsj zou hierdoor disproportioneel zwaar getroffen zijn, aldus Tsjornovil.

Oekraïense waarnemers denken niet dat de protesten veel uit zullen halen en betwijfelen of het kamp van de premier wel voldoende bewijzen in handen heeft om de zaak hard te maken.
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Janoekovitsj niet akkoord met verkiezingsnederlaag

Uitgegeven: 27 december 2004 17:35
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KIEV - Het team van de pro-Russische Viktor Janoekovitsj stapt naar het hooggerechtshof in Oekraïne om de nederlaag van de premier in de presidentsverkiezingen van zondag aan te vechten. Het team van Janoekovitsj repte van onregelmatigheden bij de stembusgang, die door de pro-westerse Viktor Joesjtsjenko zijn gewonnen.

Een woordvoerder van Janoekovitsj repte "van systematische schendingen" bij de derde ronde van de verkiezingen. Na de vorige ronde op 21 november van de presidentverkiezingen wendde Joesjtsjenko zich tot het hooggerechtshof. Het hof oordeelde daarop dat de verkiezingen van 21 november moesten worden overgedaan wegens fraude.


Voorzitter Barroso van de Europese Commissie verwelkomde maandag de zege van Joesjtsjenko. Hij noemde zijn zege "een goede dag voor de banden van Oekraïne met de EU". Ook riep hij alle partijen in het land op de uitslag van de stembusgang te accepteren.
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Ukraine's Opposition Wins Vote, But Rivals Hint At Challenge
By Askold Krushelnycky

Kyiv/Prague, 27 December 2004 (RFE/RL) -- Ukrainian opposition candidate Viktor Yushchenko had an unassailable lead over rival candidate Viktor Yanukovych with more than 98 percent of votes counted from yesterday's presidential election, but Yanukovych still had not conceded defeat late today and allies suggested he would challenge the results in court.


Figures from the Central Electoral Commission showed Yushchenko with over 52 percent of the votes counted earlier today, compared to less than 44 percent for Yanukovych.

Turnout was over 77 percent, the commission indicated.

Yushchenko declared victory early this morning in a rally in the capital Kyiv.

Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski has already congratulated the opposition leader on his victory, according to a press release from Kwasniewski's office quoted by Reuters.

New Challenge To Results?

But sources within Prime Minister Yanukovych's campaign suggested tonight -- as Yanukovych remained silent over the result -- that they intend to challenge the results of the latest vote with the Supreme Court.

A Yanukovych ally, Nestor Shufrych, charged falsification, saying the Yanukovych team will appeal.

The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) took a different view, saying today that the vote shows the country has taken "a great step forward toward free and fair elections."

The head of the OSCE observer mission, Bruce George, said this was the general view among the monitoring organizations.

"I am much happier to be in a position to announce that it is the collective judgment of these organizations represented here that the Ukrainian elections have moved substantially closer to meeting OSCE and other European and international standards," George said.

However, George added that the election was not perfect and that the mission's final report will detail what observers saw as its shortcomings.

European Union High Representative for Common Foreign and Security Policy Javier Solana called on Ukraine's political leaders to work together to unite the country after the divisive election.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell broke the official silence in Washington today over the vote and called the Ukrainian election "a historic moment for democracy." He said it appeared the Ukrainian people had had the opportunity to choose their own government and added the election appeared to have been "full and free."

Early Signs Of Opposition Win

Yushchenko spent the day celebrating what he predicted was a victory during an overnight opposition rally following the balloting.

"Dear friends, I would just like to say, for 14 years we were independent, but we weren't free," Yushchenko told the crowd. "For 14 years there was tyranny in all of Ukraine, the tyranny of [outgoing President Leonid] Kuchma, [his predecessor Leonid] Kravchuk, and [Prime Minister Viktor] Yanukovych. Today we can say that is all in the past; before us lies an independent and free Ukraine."

The repeat vote appeared to have taken place with no major electoral violations. The vote was monitored by some 12,000 international observers, with foreign scrutiny heightened following flawed late-November voting that was eventually declared invalid by the Ukrainian Supreme Court.

"Today we are turning the page of disrespect for people, of lies, censorship, and violence," Yushchenko said. "The people who were dragging Ukraine into a hole are at this moment becoming [a part of] the past. A new epoch is beginning of a new great democracy. Many tens of millions of Ukrainians have dreamed of this."

Ukraine's Central Electoral Commission indicated early this morning that Yushchenko had secured enough votes to ensure him victory.

Overnight Jubilation

In the early hours this morning, after three separate exit polls showed he had a big lead, Yushchenko went to Independence Square in the heart of the capital to address his supporters.
They welcomed him with the same chants of "Yushchenko" that have echoed around the capital and the country for the past month in a nonstop protest against the government. It was in that same square that hundreds of thousands of Yushchenko supporters gathered on the evening of 21 November to protest the massive fraud perpetrated by the government in that day's first presidential runoff.

The protests began 17 days of demonstrations that have since become known as the "Orange Revolution" -- for the orange color the Yushchenko campaign adopted.

Yushchenko, flanked by his wife and senior political allies, bowed today to supporters and said: "My first thanks are to you. The people proved their power. They rebelled against probably the most cynical regime in Eastern Europe."

International Plans

Yushchenko has said his ambition is for Ukraine to join NATO, the European Union, and the World Trade Organization (WTO). He has said that he will cooperate with Moscow as an equal but added that the era during which Ukraine was treated as a subordinate was over.

Russia's President Vladimir Putin had openly backed Yanukovych, arriving in Ukraine on the eve of two earlier rounds of elections, in October and November, to boost Yanukovych's chances. Putin was quick to congratulate Yanukovych for his official victory on 21 November, a win marred by sufficient fraud to prompt the Supreme Court to order the new vote.

Yanukovych supported Putin's plan to re-create a Moscow-led bloc, comprising Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia. That scheme now looks doomed.

Yanukovych courted Ukraine's large ethnic-Russian minority -- around 9 million of the country's 48 million population -- with promises that Russian would become a state language.

Russia's interference had caused resentment among opposition supporters. Many of Yushchenko's close colleagues suspect Russia of involvement in the nearly fatal poisoning of the opposition leader in September that has left his face badly disfigured. The EU and the United States rebuked Putin for meddling in the election.

East-West Divide

But the results from yesterday's vote suggest once more that Ukraine is deeply divided, with the western and central regions backing Yushchenko while the east mostly supported Yanukovych.

Yanukovych's senior political allies in some of the eastern regions threatened in November to seek autonomy, something they have since moved away from. A member of parliament from the Social Democrat Party-united, which supported Yanukovych, Ihor Shurma, suggested some kind of devolution might happen -- but not for a while.

"Perhaps a federal model will be beneficial for Ukraine, but not today. Ukraine is not ready for that today," Shurma said. "Economically it's not strong enough. At present it faces many risks. Therefore, it is not appropriate to raise this question at this time."

In an early hint that he might accept the results of yesterday's vote, Yanukovych promised to form a robust opposition in parliament to any Yushchenko-appointed government.

The leader of his campaign team, Taras Chornovyl, even predicted Yanukovych supporters in parliament would attract some of Yushchenko's current political allies, including the Socialists and the Yuliya Tymoshenko Bloc, to fight the parliamentary elections scheduled for 2006 as a coalition.

"If Yushchenko indeed does become president, then I think that in the near future politicians like Yuliya Tymoshenko and others will join us," Chornovyl said.
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Ukraine: Will The Country Now Orient Itself Toward The West?
By Jeremy Bransten

Now that opposition candidate Viktor Yushchenko appears to have clinched a majority in the Ukrainian presidential vote, what are the likely implications for Ukraine's foreign policy, its relations with the West and Russia?


Prague, 27 December 2004 (RFE/RL) -- Throughout the electoral campaign and the demonstrations he led through the streets of Kyiv, Yushchenko promised his people big changes if they elected him president.

Speaking this morning in the Ukrainian capital, Yushchenko said the decisive moment had at last arrived in the form of "a new epoch of a new, great democracy" to replace a period of "disrespect for people, of lies, censorship, and violence."

Yushchenko is being listened to closely not only in Kyiv, but also in Moscow, Brussels, Washington, and other capitals. The leader of the "Orange Revolution" has said the changes he intends to bring to Ukraine are as much about internal reforms as they are about foreign policy.

Although he campaigned on a vow to undo the legacy of outgoing President Leonid Kuchma, Yushchenko's foreign-policy platform is ironically a throwback to Kuchma's early program -- at least as it was presented to the world.

When he first came into office, Kuchma talked about closer EU integration. He signed a special partnership agreement with NATO and even raised the possibility of membership of the alliance.

An Evolving Foreign Policy

After Kuchma's popularity at home and abroad sank as he became mired in corruption scandals, he turned to Russia as his new ally, saying Ukraine needed a "multivector" foreign policy that balanced eastern and western interests.

In reality, analyst Taras Kuzio of George Washington University in the United States suggested, Kuchma had no real foreign policy -- just a lot of promises and temporary alliances designed to keep him and his clan in power.

Kuzio, interviewed by RFE/RL before the vote, said he expected Yushchenko to end this "pretend foreign policy" and follow through on the goals Kuchma originally set out.

"What we'll have is no longer a mismatch between domestic and foreign policies," Kuzio said. "We'll no longer just have empty rhetoric. We'll have more concrete substance to those foreign policy objectives, which have already been raised on the agenda, which are EU and NATO membership. It's not Yushchenko who's going to be raising the issue of NATO and EU membership. They have been Ukrainian objectives for a while but not serious objectives."

Alexander Rahr, an expert on the region at the German Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin whom RFE/RL also interviewed before yesterday's election, said he would expect fundamental changes in Ukraine's foreign policy under Yushchenko

Yushchenko is going to take back are announcements, statements, made by President Kuchma concerning Ukraine's future foreign policy," Rahr said. "When Kuchma said he couldn't foresee Ukraine in NATO and the European Union within the next couple of years, he made a clear point about reorienting his foreign policy towards Russia. I think this will change under President Yushchenko. Yushchenko will say that the intention of Ukraine's foreign policy is directed towards integration with Western military, economic, and political structures and not so much in the future with Russia. I think this will bring fundamental change, and we can expect it."

Although Ukraine's geopolitical re-orientation, if it occurs, would affect relations with Russia, experts have said they believe economic ties are not likely to suffer. While prime minister, Yushchenko showed he was open to Russian business investment in Ukraine.

But as for the rest of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), that is another matter.

Kuchma pursued a free-trade zone linking Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, and Kazakhstan. But Kuzio said that if its economic value cannot be justified -- especially if Western investment starts to pour into Ukraine -- then it will become a casualty of the Yushchenko administration.

"There will be, I believe, a short period of coldness in relations with Russia. That's because of Vladimir Putin's overt intervention in the Ukrainian elections and also because of the strong suspicions that Russia is behind the attempted poisoning of Viktor Yushchenko," Kuzio said. "But the best way to understand the transformation would be: continued pragmatic economic cooperation with Russia, no longer any interest in the CIS joint-economic space together with Russia, Belarus, and Kazakhstan."

EU Membership?

The big question is how the European Union, which played a leading role in mediating and end to the electoral crisis, might react to Ukraine's westward swing. Former European Commission President Romano Prodi once famously declared that Ukraine had as much chance of joining the EU as New Zealand.
Is Europe ready for Ukraine and its 47 million people? Rahr said he does not believe EU membership is a realistic prospect for Kyiv.

"For many Europeans, Ukraine is still too big, too difficult, too far away, with a too complicated economic system, too much corruption," Rahr said. "So I think there are a lot of arguments which will be made inside the European Union against giving Ukraine a full-fledged prospect for membership in the European Union."

But Rahr said he does see prospects for a special partnership with the EU. He said he believes countries like Poland and Germany are interested in such a relationship and will push for the EU to adopt a dynamic and pro-active policy toward Ukraine.

"I expect countries like Poland, probably even Germany but also the Baltic states and the new leadership in Romania, to try to force the other group members in the European Union to change the direction towards Ukraine," Rahr said.

As the United States' relations with Russia go through a rough patch, experts believe Washington will show renewed interest in upgrading its ties with Ukraine as well.
De BBC houdt het vanmiddag op wat achtergrondverhalen
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Donetsk wary of Yushchenko
By Jonathan Charles
BBC News, Donetsk, Ukraine

Eastern Ukraine was never going to give a warm welcome to the election winner.

In this mainly Russian-speaking part of the country, which looks more towards Moscow than eastern Europe, Viktor Yushchenko is regarded with deep suspicion.

Gloom has descended on the city of Donetsk, which voted overwhelmingly for his rival, Viktor Yanukovych.

People here had been threatening to march to Kiev to protest at what they see as an election hijacked by the West. But in the cold light of day they are taking their lead from their political leaders.

Mr Yanukovych has been calling for calm and promised that there will be no street demonstrations or calls for eastern Ukraine to separate from the western part of the country.

Most people I have spoken to say that instead, they will work out what they can do to oppose Mr Yushchenko in the medium and long-term. Sasha, in his 30s, told me: "I hear that Yushchenko wants to come to Donetsk to tell us that we can all be friends, but don't expect us to love him".

The people of Donetsk are now turning their thoughts to the next parliamentary elections.They hope that Mr Yanukovych will do well in those and can form a strong parliamentary opposition to Viktor Yushchenko.

They will also be watching the new president closely as he tries to reform the economy. The east likes to think of itself as Ukraine's economic powerhouse, full of coal mines and factories.

Economic concerns

Some miners have said that if Mr Yushchenko tries to cut the national budget and subsidies for the mines, leading to pit closures and job losses, then there will be strike action. The miners not only dislike the new president's pro-Western politics, they are also concerned about his economics.

Many workers in Donetsk say the whole economy is based here, and if necessary, they will bring it to a standstill.

Others in Donetsk have more specific concerns.

Ukraine's wealthiest businessman, Rinat Akhmetov, lives here and is one of the oligarchs whom Mr Yushchenko regards as having too great a role in politics. He was a supporter of Mr Yanukovych, but he, too, is now sending out messages that he is prepared to work with the new president.

Mr Yushchenko has said that he wants to investigate the $880m privatisation of a steelworks which was bought by Mr Akhmetov, suggesting it was sold too cheaply.

Mr Akhmetov told me: "I wasn't the organiser of the sale, only one of the bidders, and if the new president wants to investigate then that's up to him".

However, he also made it clear he thought it was time to reform the economy and he supported the idea of improving relations with the European Union. Such an olive branch to Mr Yushchenko is unlikely to be reciprocated, though.

Businessmen like Mr Akhmetov can expect to have much less influence in future - another sign that life in eastern Ukraine and the rest of the country could be very different in the months to come.
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Analysis: Ukraine looks west
By Paul Reynolds
World Affairs correspondent, BBC News website

The presidential election result in Ukraine is another striking example of the "people power" which has swept central and eastern Europe over the last 15 years.

The "Orange Revolution" will take its place alongside the "Velvet Revolution" in former Czechoslovakia, the "Rose Revolution" in Georgia and all the other revolutions which might not have a name but which certainly had an effect.

These peaceful revolutions have transformed the political landscape of Europe. And just as the changes in other countries led to questions about EU and Nato membership, so the election of Viktor Yushchenko will inevitably do so in Ukraine.

The European Union is likely to have to re-examine its rather hands-off attitude to potential Ukrainian membership.

Liberalism triumphs

The EU will not want to engage in triumphalism against Russia, whose President Vladimir Putin openly backed Viktor Yanukovych in the first, disputed election.

But the boundaries of modern Europe have now been pushed further east, and Russia itself is finding that its immediate western neighbours have diverged from the authoritarian path it has trod under Mr Putin. The long-term effect on potential liberalisation in Russia itself will be interesting to watch.

There will be voices in the EU calling for swift action to consolidate Ukraine's new position, which will be far more open to western ideas of political and economic reform.

When he was appointed prime minister by President Leonid Kuchma in 1999, Mr Yushchenko, who once headed Ukraine's national bank, initiated a series of economic reforms.

These measures ran up against entrenched interests, led by a combination of communists and Ukraine's oligarchs who had done well out of post-communist rule. He lost office in 2001, but those same policies can now be expected to make a return appearance.

At the moment, Ukraine has a partnership agreement with the EU and is regarded as one of the countries to be fostered under the so-called European Neighbourhood Policy, which is designed to extend friendship but not membership.

The partnership agreement does foresee the development of free trade in exchange for political reforms, but this process might now not only be speeded up but superseded altogether.

Looking west

Ukrainian membership of the EU could well be on the agenda before too long.

In an article on 7 December for Open Democracy, an online political magazine, Katinka Barysch and Charles Grant of the Centre for European Reform argued: "The EU should, and probably will, rethink its long-standing position that Ukraine 'has as much reason to be in the EU as New Zealand', in the words of Romano Prodi, the recently departed European Commission president".

The authors did counsel against the EU "making a big noise about Ukraine becoming an EU member". But experience elsewhere in eastern Europe has been that a rapid change in a country's internal politics is usually followed by a rapid change in its external relations.

There might not be a big noise, but some noise can be expected.

As for Nato, it already has a partnership agreement with Ukraine, though Ukraine has never walked through the open door to membership that Nato has offered. That, too, might change, though Mr Yushchenko's need to keep strong relations with Russia and his own nationalist sentiments could act against it.

No US puppet

Mr Yushchenko is unlikely to be a client of the West, especially not of the United States, despite claims from those opposing him that his Ukrainian-American wife Kateryna wields great influence. A significant neo-conservative figure in her day, she held office in the human rights bureau at the US State Department in the Reagan administration.

Mr Yushchenko has supported a withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from Iraq and its 1,600-strong force there could be brought home, though probably not before the Iraq election on 30 January.

The real winners are those Ukrainians who use the same words and phrases as one heard in the other peaceful revolutions - words like "truth", "rule of law," decency" and "normality."

The previous regime epitomised the rule of those who had not quite thrown off the old ways of doing things. They claimed to have changed, but underneath it was not that different.

One symbolic moment for me came when I accompanied the Prince of Wales on a visit to Ukraine in 1996. He had just arrived for a lavish dinner in some state palace in Kiev when all the lights failed. They had to drive a Mercedes up to the front door to shine its headlights into the room.
Die laatste alinea had voor mij niet gehoeven in het stuk. Maar de verder analyse is zeer interesant.
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In eerste instantie zouden vrienden uit Oekraïne langskomen deze week, maar door alle onrust is dit helaas niet doorgegaan. Wat ik van de vorige verkiezingen hoorde is dat er interviewers bij de ingang van stembureaus stonden die vroegen wat de mensen gingen stemmen. Wanneer mensen zeiden dat ze Joesjtsjenko zouden stemmen dan werd ze gevraagd of ze mee konden gaan voor een interview. Deze mensen werden vervolgens in elkaar geslagen. Het opvallende volgens degene die het gezien had was dat deze 'interviewers' alleen Russisch spraken met een Moskovitisch accent.......
Deze verhalen heb ik gelukkig nu nog niet gehoord (de eerste berichten zijn positief)
I'm just a poor wayfarin' stranger
travelin' through a world of woe
ain't no sickness, toil, nor danger
in that bright land to which I go
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Overigens, HarigeKerel, dergelijke triomfreactie's van buiten maken het alleen maar moeiljker om nu verzoening in de Oekraïene te krijgen.
You take this shit waaaay to serious. (imho)
“One should never argue with a fool or a liar because people might not be able to tell the difference.”
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Het Oekraïense hof heeft de klacht van Janoekovitsj verworpen.
  † In Memoriam † woensdag 29 december 2004 @ 19:09:26 #234
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Op maandag 27 december 2004 12:09 schreef du_ke het volgende:
Het verschil is nog niet overdreven groot eigenlijk !

En die oost-west verdeeldheid gaat ze nog opbreken .
In het armere oosten zijn ze nog niet vergeten wie Joesjtsjenko is.
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Viktor Yushchenko

Wearing the white hat (‘gooood) for the Western media is Viktor Yushchenko. Putting himself forth as the Bolivar or Washington of his country, Yushchenko has credentials which should frighten anybody who believes that he is the embodiment of democratic values. While on the surface more appealing than his rival Viktor Yanukovich, a thuggish pal of the post-Wall, pro-Russian oligarchy,

Yushchenko has a chequered career as a rabid free marketer, “a key figure in the system of ‘crony capitalism’ which has enriched the few at the expense of the many” according to writer Justin Raimondo. The latter rose to power as head of the Ukrainian central bank in the early 1990s. It was Yushchenko who was the main architect of “the bitter medicine” of the IMF structural reform which debilitated the Ukrainian economy and sent the longevity average of Russian males from 65 to 58 in the 1990s.

This savage shock treatment increased the price of bread by 300 per cent overnight, sent electricity prices soaring 600 per cent and public transportation by 900 per cent. Real wages fell by 75 per cent in relation to the 1991 level. The GDP declined by 60 per cent. At this time the country’s average monthly wage was $80 per month. One can surmise that Viktor Yushchenko’s pay packet was substantially higher.

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Who is Viktor Yushchenko?

The IMF Sponsored Candidate


In 1993, Viktor Yushchenko was appointed head of the newly-formed National Bank of Ukraine. Hailed as a "daring reformer", he was among the main architects of the IMF's deadly economic medicine which served to impoverish The Ukraine and destroy its economy.

Following his appointment, the Ukraine reached a historical agreement with the IMF. Mr Yushchenko played a key role in negotiating the 1994 agreement as well as creating a new Ukrainian national currency, which resulted in a dramatic plunge in real wages.

The 1994 IMF package was finalized behind closed doors at the Madrid 50 years anniversary Summit of the Bretton Woods institutions. It required the Ukrainian authorities to abandon State controls over the exchange rate leading to an impressive collapse of the currency.

Yushchenko as Head of the Central Bank was responsible for deregulating the national currency under the October 1994 "shock treatment":

The price of bread increased overnight by 300 percent,
electricity prices by 600 percent,
public transportation by 900 percent.
the standard of living tumbled
According to the Ukrainian State Statistics Committee, quoted by the IMF, real wages in 1998 had fallen by more than 75 percent in relation to their 1991 level.( http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2003/cr03174.pdf )

Ironically, the IMF sponsored program was intended to alleviate inflationary pressures: it consisted in imposing "dollarised" prices on an impoverished population with earnings below ten dollars a month.

Combined with the abrupt hikes in fuel and energy prices, the lifting of subsidies and the freeze on credit contributed to destroying industry (both public and private) and undermining Ukraine's breadbasket economy.

In November 1994, World Bank negotiators were sent in to examine the overhaul of Ukraine's agriculture. With trade liberalization (which was part of the economic package), US grain surpluses and "food aid" were dumped on the domestic market, contributing to destabilizing one of the World's largest and most productive wheat economies, (e.g. comparable to that of the American Mid West).

By 1998, the deregulation of the grain market had resulted in a decline in the production of grain by 45 percent in relation to its 1986-90 level. The collapse in livestock production, poultry and dairy products was even more dramatic.

(See http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2003/cr03174.pdf )

The cumulative decline in GDP resulting from the IMF sponsored reforms was in excess of 60 percent (from 1992 to 1995).

Propaganda in support of the "Free Market"

Under these circumstances, why would Yushchenko, who was closely associated with the process of economic destruction and impoverishment be so popular? Why has the public image and political reputation of an IMF protoge, namely Mr. Yushchenko remained unscathed?

What the neoliberal agenda does is to build a consensus in "the free market reforms". "Short term pain gain for long term gain" says the World Bank. "Bitter economic medicine" is the only solution, much in the same way as the Spanish inquisition was the consensus underlying the feudal social order.

In an utterly twisted logic, poverty is presented as a precondition for building a prosperous society. This consensus presents a World of landless farmers, shuttered factories, jobless workers and gutted social programs as a means to achieving economic and social progress.

To sustain the consensus and convince public opinion, requires "turning the World upside down", creating divisions within society, distorting the truth and ensuring, through a massive propaganda campaign, that no other viable political alternative to the "free market" is allowed to emerge.

Why is Yushchenko so popular? For same reason as George W. Bush, running on his record of war crimes is popular.

And because his opponent, outgoing Prime Minister Yanukovich does not represent a genuine political alternative for The Ukraine, which forcefully challenges the international financial institutions and the interests of Western corporate capital, which are destroying and impoverishing an entire nation.

The 2004 election in the Ukraine was built on a massive propaganda and public relations campaign, supported by the US, with money payoffs by Washington for political parties and organizations committed to Western strategic and economic interests. In turn, US intelligence, working hand in glove with various foundations including the NED, has consistently supported this process of civil society manipulation. The objective is not democracy, but rather the fracturing and colonization of the former Soviet Union.
  donderdag 30 december 2004 @ 03:45:24 #235
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Voor Eigen Erf
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Nou wil die Joetsjenko Yulia Timosjenko als premier. Gelukkig zijn er in 2006 parlementsverkiezingen, zodat die Joetsjenko ken oppleuren.

Turkmenistan weigert per 1-1-2005 nog energie te leveren an de Oekraïne. Goeie zaak !
  donderdag 30 december 2004 @ 10:32:21 #236
55709 Stereotomy
Mens sana in corpore sano
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Nou, Yuschenko mag van mij blijven, maar Yulia Timoschenko moet inderdaad niet in het parlement haar midlife crises uit gaan zitten, evenals de nationalisten en de fascisten in Nasha Ukraina. Toch triest dat Yuschenko zich moest verlagen om met hun steun een meerderheid en grotere stem te krijgen voor zijn eigen belangen.

Veel mensen zien niet in dat dit gewoon een battle of the clans is. Yanukovich' clan houdt zich op in Donetsk, en heeft o.a. de bezitter van het Shaktar Voetbalteam, een van de weinige 5-sterren hotels in Oekraine, het duurste hotel aan de promenade van Yalta (van de zomer daar nog langsgelopen), het DCC GSM provider netwerk en nog een paar grote dingen. Het zijn oligarchen, een paar mensen die heel veel hebben. En Timoschenko is niets meer of minder, helaas, dan en oligarch uit het westen die erg rijk is geworden met handel in gas. Dubieuze handel in gas, aangezien haar businesspartner destijds in de bak zit in Amerika, en haar man ondergedoken zit.

Enkele weken voor de eerste ronde had een nationalist die in een hoge plaats bezit in het team van Yuschenko uitspraken gedaan in een (pro-oppositie) krant dat het allemaal wel meeviel met de holocaust en dat er heus niet zoveel doden onder de joden waren gevallen. Hierop werd de krant gesloten vanwege anti-semitische uitspraken - waarop Yuschenko en Timoschenko moord en brand schreeuwden van: belemmering van vrije-meningsuitting etc. zonder dat ze hun eigen man aanvielen - en Yuschenko onder publieke druk van het merendeel van zijn achterban pas die gozer uit zijn partij had gewipt.

En wat schetste mijn verbazing toen ik een van de eerste beelden zag van de demonstratie in Kiev? Staat die gozer doodleuk weer op het podium mee te klappen. Ik geloof niet dat Yuschenko een extremistische nationalist is, maar ik vind het wel triest dat hij elke steun accepteert, ook van de nationalisten en fascisten, voor zijn belangen.

Wat ik van mijn vrienden uit centraal en oost Oekraine merk is dat mijn vrienden uit het midden wel erg denegerend kunnen doen over het oosten, zoals "awwww, arme mensen, we begrijpen wel waarom je op Yanukovich stemt, want jullie hebben natuurlijk een informatieblokkade etc. etc." wat uiteraard voor een deel waar is, maar mijn vrienden volgen ook gewoon de westerse media en BBC Ukrainian etc. en daar is echt, echt de berichtgeving over het hele gebeuren even gekleurd als bijvoorbeeld in Rusland, met het verschil dat je hier toch net iets meer kritische geluiden hoort uit verscheidene hoeken, en dat ik niet word opgepakt omdat ik op dit forum dit schrijf.

Maar al met al ben ik best teleurgesteld met de westerse media, dat zij zo'n eenzijdig beeld geven.
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  woensdag 5 januari 2005 @ 05:50:07 #237
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Tymoshenko: 'I'll Be Next Ukraine Prime Minister'

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Ukraine’s fiery opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko has said she expects nothing less than to be the country’s next prime minister, given her stalwart support for Viktor Yushchenko, whose presidency is increasingly likely.

Tymoshenko has said that a written agreement she and Yushchenko signed when she joined his coalition leaves no alternative than for her to head a new government once Yushchenko is inaugurated.

“I believe that Viktor Yushchenko will follow our formal agreement – created when we signed our coalition agreement,” said Tymoshenko, whose elaborately braided hair, hip orange outfits and sharp tongue have earned her thousands of worshippers among the opposition.

Asked if there was another possible choice for prime minister, she replied: “There are no other alternatives.”

Preliminary election results show Yushchenko winning a sound victory in the December 26 court-ordered revote, but final results have yet to announced, pending the Central Election Commission’s final hearing on the appeals filed by his opponent, Viktor Yanukovych.

The commission said yesterday that it expected to announce final results today, at which point Yanukovych is expected to lodge an appeal to Ukraine’s Supreme Court.

Despite the delay, Yushchenko has already started discussing his first steps as president and begun talks to name his Cabinet. His office has refused to say who will be tapped to be prime minister, but Tymoshenko’s name is a regular on the list of those being considered.

“I don’t have any doubt that parliament will support my candidacy if Yushchenko will propose it to the parliament,” Tymoshenko said yesterday. She would need a simple majority of support from the 450-member parliament to win the post.

Side-by-side with Yushchenko and more than anyone else, Tymoshenko was the political face of the mass movement dubbed the “Orange Revolution” – when thousands of opposition supporters flooded the streets of Kiev following the November 21 fraud-marred second-round vote.

She jumped on the backs of trucks to rally the crowds, clamoured over a riot police line and repeatedly called for a forcible seizure of power from the opposition’s stage on Independence Square. At her behest, protesters stayed on the streets.

The Supreme Court annulled the election, citing mass fraud, stripped Yanukovych of his victory and ordered the December 26 revote. When Yushchenko took the stage to declare victory, the crowd alternated chants of “Yu-shchen-ko! Yu-shchen-ko!” with “Yulia! Yulia!”

Some critics have suggested that naming Tymoshenko to the prime minister’s job could deepen the division between western and eastern Ukraine, a rift vividly exposed during the election.
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3961135

Ben benieuwd hoe snel de Westerse media eindelijk doorkrijgt dat we het hier over een radicale oligarch hebben die qua tact en corruptie (in de gashandel) geen steek beter is dan Yanukovich.
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  woensdag 5 januari 2005 @ 13:41:57 #238
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Op woensdag 5 januari 2005 05:50 schreef Stereotomy het volgende:


http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3961135

Ben benieuwd hoe snel de Westerse media eindelijk doorkrijgt dat we het hier over een radicale oligarch hebben die qua tact en corruptie (in de gashandel) geen steek beter is dan Yanukovich.
Maar het is wel "onze" eikel, zo zullen veel mensen het zien.
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  woensdag 5 januari 2005 @ 18:05:17 #239
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Hopelijk zal het Zuid-oosten van Oekraïne zich afscheiden van de arme West-Oekraïne want laten we nou eerlijk zijn. De grenzen kort na de val van de SU zijn veel te snel kunstmatig vastgesteld. Als het Zuid-Oosten zich aansluit bij Rusland zal dat voordeel opeleveren voor beide landen. UShenko brengt alleen maar onheil met zich mee.
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  woensdag 5 januari 2005 @ 18:24:09 #240
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Op woensdag 5 januari 2005 18:05 schreef N_I_ het volgende:
Hopelijk zal het Zuid-oosten van Oekraïne zich afscheiden van de arme West-Oekraïne want laten we nou eerlijk zijn. De grenzen kort na de val van de SU zijn veel te snel kunstmatig vastgesteld. Als het Zuid-Oosten zich aansluit bij Rusland zal dat voordeel opeleveren voor beide landen. UShenko brengt alleen maar onheil met zich mee.
Dat zou ik ook geneigd zijn te denken ware het niet dat het overgrote deel van de bevolking van zowel het westen als het oosten er niet serieus over denkt, omdat ze het niet serieus willen. Het zal altijd een 'dreigwapen' zijn van het oosten, maar van wat ik van de mensen heb gehoord zal geen persoon die goed bij zijn hoofd is dit daadwerkelijk willen op het moment.

Hopen maar dat de nieuwe Yuschenko/Timoschenko regering het oosten niet teveel gaat stangen onder het mom "en nu pakken we jullie terug" (imho, valt er niet zoveel "terug te pakken", het oosten was altijd al welvarender, alhoewel met het politieke spel wel veel naar Donetsk en regio is gegaan waar het eigenlijk niet thuishoort, zoals een schitterend standbeeld die eerst op het Onafhankelijkheidsplein stond, maar die nu in het centrum van Donetsk prijkt, terwijl er nu in Kiev een afschuwelijk lelijk draaiende wereldbol voor in de plaats is gezet) - om maar even een stom voorbeeld te noemen.

De mijnen zijn onrendabel, ja, daar hebben ze helemaal gelijk in, en ja er gaat veel staatssteun in die mijnen en ja het is goedkoper om dat spul uit Polen te halen, maar ik hoop dat ze alsjeblieft het verstand hebben om die mijnen niet een voor een meteen te sluiten zonder de mensen alternatief werk te bieden.
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Op maandag 22 november 2004 21:42 schreef HarigeKerel het volgende:

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Tja, daar had de door de CIA gesteunde putsch wel succes, de Oekraine zal nog even moeten wachten
Het grappige is dat je ook nog gelijk hebt gekregen...
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  donderdag 6 januari 2005 @ 18:45:44 #242
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Op donderdag 6 januari 2005 17:52 schreef N_I_ het volgende:


Het grappige is dat je ook nog gelijk hebt gekregen...
Het was dan ook wel erg voorspelbaar
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  donderdag 6 januari 2005 @ 20:37:08 #243
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Meer kijkjes achter de schermen:
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Many Russian and Ukrainian analysts have hesitated to place primary responsibility on the Kremlin or Putin for misjudging the Ukrainian situation. Instead they have been blaming the "aggressive tactics" of a gaggle of Russian campaign consultants who began arriving at Kyiv's Borispol Airport sometime in July, RFE/RL's Russian Service reported on 28 December.
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Of course, if Yanukovych were about to assume Ukraine's presidency, it is not difficult to imagine Pavlovskii and others taking credit for his victory. In an interview with "The Washington Post" on 2 January, former political adviser Dick Morris explained how he managed to contribute a key element of President-elect Viktor Yushchenko's strategy without ever managing to actually visit Ukraine. Morris told the paper that an acquaintance from a previous overseas campaign put him in touch with Yushchenko's campaign manager. Because of unspecified "security concerns," he met with Yushchenko campaign officials in an undisclosed East European capital. According to Morris, his main contribution to the campaign was to urge exit polling on election day and the immediate publication of those results. In this way, according to Morris, Yushchenko's campaign would draw supporters to the streets to celebrate -- thus presenting Ukrainian authorities with an angry mob if they tried to tamper with the vote.
Bron:Radio Free Europe
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Olé, het feest gaat beginnen:
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MOSCOW Jan 24, 2005 — Ukraine President Viktor Yushchenko, visiting Moscow on a trip to mend relations after a bitter election campaign, appointed top ally Yulia Tymoshenko as prime minister Monday a move likely to anger the Kremlin.
Bron: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=437697

... en afwachten maar wat er gaat gebeuren. Een van de wijzigingen in de wet was dat de President (Yuschenko) minder macht zou krijgen, en meer macht naar de Premier (Timoshenko ) en het parlement (waar het me niet zou verbazen als Moroz en Kinakh, boos dat ze geen hoge positie in de nieuwe regering hebben gekregen, partij kiezen voor Yanukovich). Vette kluif voor Yuschenko dus.
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Olé, het feest gaat beginnen:
[..]

Bron: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=437697

... en afwachten maar wat er gaat gebeuren. Een van de wijzigingen in de wet was dat de President (Yuschenko) minder macht zou krijgen, en meer macht naar de Premier (Timoshenko ) en het parlement (waar het me niet zou verbazen als Moroz en Kinakh, boos dat ze geen hoge positie in de nieuwe regering hebben gekregen, partij kiezen voor Yanukovich). Vette kluif voor Yuschenko dus.
En het blijkt nu ook dat joden hier hun dikke vette vinger in de pap hebben.

Israel supports USenko

Aan de achternamen te zien zijn Timoshenko en UShenko wel ukraïners.. Weet jij toevallig waar we naar niet kosjere ( ) dingen moeten zoeken?
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  maandag 24 januari 2005 @ 18:52:51 #246
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Hij wil ook maar wat graag bij de EU, en snel ook
Niet "de Joden" (dat is altijd zo'n dooddoener) maar de EU en VS zitten hier achter.

De volgende stap is dus Wit-Rusland, de Russen zelf zullen nog wel een jaar of 30 zelf aanmodderen maar zullen dan bij de EU of NAVO komen uit angst voor China...
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  maandag 24 januari 2005 @ 18:54:02 #247
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Er is veel, veel geld in Yuschenko's "oranje revolutie" gegaan. 2 weken lang zoveel mensen onderhouden en te voeden, het podium met 2 plasmaschermen, geluidsinstallatie's, etc. is natuurlijk niet gratis. Uiteraard hebben enkelen binnen Kiev gratis voedsel en dekens e.d. gegeven, maar onderschat niet hoeveel het geheel heeft gekost om twee weken lang dagelijks 100.000 mensen te vermaken, te eten te geven etc. in een land waar het geld niet voor het oprapen is.

Het westen HEEFT gewoon Yuschenko gesponsord, en nu moeten we niet met z'n allen hypocriet gaan roepen dat Moskou Yanukovich campagne heeft gesponsord.

Dus.
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De volgende stap is dus Wit-Rusland,
Not a chance. Men heeft nu wel genoeg geleerd van Georgië en Ukraïne.

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de Russen zelf zullen nog wel een jaar of 30 zelf aanmodderen maar zullen dan bij de EU of NAVO komen uit angts voor China...
Angst voor China? Conventioneel kan China Rusland overrompelen, maar Ruland bezit nog steeds het 's wereld grootste nucleaire arsenaal en kan China in een paar uur wegvagen in geval van oorlog. De kans dat Rusland haar arsenaal zo erg krimpt binnen 30 jaar is niet-bestaand.
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Hij wil ook maar wat graag bij de EU, en snel ook
Niet "de Joden" (dat is altijd zo'n dooddoener) maar de EU en VS zitten hier achter.
Ja maar wie profiteren hier het meeste van in Oekraïne zelf? Het is geen geheim dat de meeste oliegarchen in Rusland joden zijn die over de rug van de bevolking miljarden verdienen. Welke bevolkingsgroep profiteert van de 'oranje revolutie' het meeste in Oekraïne? Nu israel hierin gespot is vrees ik het ergste voor de Oekraïners.
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  maandag 24 januari 2005 @ 19:02:45 #249
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Dan zien wij het gewoon geheel anders, da's oke.
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  maandag 24 januari 2005 @ 19:09:48 #250
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Dan zien wij het gewoon geheel anders, da's oke.
Het kan ook zijn dat ik paranoïde ben alleen vond ik het een beetje vreem dat israel zich hiermee bemoeide. Het kan ook zijn dat de VS israel gebruikte om geld door te sluizen. Vandaar dat ik vraag of iemand weet of er joden bij deze coupe d'etat betrokken zijn. hoewel het me zou verbazen als ze er niet bij waren eens een keertje... maar da's off-topic
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