Organisation of Visiting Races III

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Op maandag 1 november 2004 02:05 schreef Price het volgende:

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If you don't want genetically modified food, just say so. Don't use the word "safe". It is nonsense that this food wouldn't be safe.

not entirely true. A great part of what the modifcation does is unknown. read this for example (sorry its in dutch) http://users.skynet.be/nwp/genmani005.htm

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Do you prefer pesticides over genetic modifications in order to prevent parasites to spoil the crop?

what is this kind of crap? do you think they had pesticides in the Middle Ages? There were farmers zo i guess their crops did grow. Only these days it has a special name: Biological (dont know if this is the correct word in english ). And pesticides aren't the only ways to keep the crop clear of plagues. there are all kinds of different things to prevent it from being eaten by snales or something.

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Op maandag 1 november 2004 15:24 schreef P8 het volgende:


what is this kind of crap? do you think they had pesticides in the Middle Ages? There were farmers zo i guess their crops did grow. Only these days it has a special name: Biological (dont know if this is the correct word in english ). And pesticides aren't the only ways to keep the crop clear of plagues. there are all kinds of different things to prevent it from being eaten by snales or something.

No they didn't have pesticides in the middle ages which resulted in large famines quite often. I do agree that there are other means of protecting crop nowadays but you have to realize that we didn't start using pesticides because they taste good. With an ever increasing population there was a huge demand of securing food supplies. Pesticides provided that. The fact that Sen. Kerry runs for the presidency of the US is because his great great grand parents were lucky enough to escape starvation in Ireland after subsequently failded potato harvests.

What the long term effects of growing genetically engineered food will be is something that needs extensive studying before we can implement it safely. Not because the food itself wouldn't be safe but it is impossible to foresee yet how much genetically engineered produce will affect existing eco systems.

This whole GM stuff is something we can't get around, so we better get used to it.

It won't be long until we start to GM ourselves, I guess?

Watch Gattaca, a very nice movie about that subject.

And also: http://www.vpro.nl/programma/tegenlicht/afleveringen/9487580/
Followed by: http://www.vpro.nl/progra(...)87580/items/9487850/

EarthSister, what do aliens think about us enhancing ourselves using genetic manipulation in the (near) future?

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Op maandag 1 november 2004 22:09 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
This whole GM stuff is something we can't get around, so we better get used to it.

It won't be long until we start to GM ourselves, I guess?

Watch Gattaca, a very nice movie about that subject.

And also: http://www.vpro.nl/programma/tegenlicht/afleveringen/9487580/
Followed by: http://www.vpro.nl/progra(...)87580/items/9487850/

EarthSister, what do aliens think about us enhancing ourselves using genetic manipulation in the (near) future?

I don't know about the aliens but i think it would be the most scary but also the best thing that could happen to us. It could rupture our society and bring back the darwin thing back in our world. . to bad that only the rich would be able to do this but they can do so much good with the technology. They would produce people that could do away with much of the things we struggle today. If the technology can prevent that people get sick or remove a gene that is responsible for extreme aggressiveness.. i would be all for it. .

Again, to bad that it would be very expensive but that is not a reason not to do it.

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Op zondag 31 oktober 2004 21:59 schreef P8 het volgende:

although i think clean energy would be the be the best tech for us to have, it would be the most dangerous, too. Because energy and weaponry go hand in hand. And many people (read: America) are interested in making stronger weapons.
So i think this technology would mean great improvements for us. too bad some factors in our world would be the cause that we wont get it.

What I understand is that we will get more help from alien life with energies in the future. In fact, we already have things we could use, or use more of. We (inside govts) come up with things on our own that are not shared publicly -- the alien races have not given us any, at least not directly or officially. I am personally aware of alien life who are working with their human contacts to help them come up with cleaner energy and cleaner ways to use energy. I do not have any personal knowledge of the mechanisms of how they work though.

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Another thing we "need" are more efficient ways to produce safe food. with safe i mean foods which aren't geneticly modified.

although some things might seem safe to give, it's almost certain that these things can be modified for the sake of a single individual.

Humans already know and have more efficient ways to produce food. I believe the main problems of human starvation with them are govt control for dollars and distribution, which are problems in govts, not in the food. We have enough land and technology to grow and distribute enough food for everyone.

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I think every thing aliens could give us, would have to be controlled by them too. and there are a few things why that wouldnt be the best idea too.
1) they probably have some better things to do than working in our interest
2) It may look suspicious and govts can use that in a bad way.

That's just it; the alien races can't take over our systems and they can't control what is ours. If they give us something, it becomes ours. They can encourage us and help us get to where they can give us more things we need as we go along, that is, if we can't come up with them ourselves. I think the main problems are in our world organizations that will determine how things are used once we have them. We can already see how that will be by looking at what we do with what we have now.

1)The individual alien people who are working at Earth now ~are~ working for our interests as a whole race. That is the main reason why they are here and why they are making themselves known to us now.

2)You are right that the govts can use "anything" about alien life in a bad way, but only for as long as you and I don't know better ourselves. That is why personal experience and education, and the sharing of personal knowledge is vital to the success of the relationships between our worlds.

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but id like you to ask you the same question you asked me: What things would you like to see first, besides clean energy? What things would you think would be too dangerous to give us yet and why?

I would also like to see everyone fed, housed and provided medical care. I know we can already do this on our own, but I think it is going to take the influences of our visiting races on people, to make it possible for us people to push our govts to make the changes. Beyond the personal immediate necessities, there are things we do not have sufficient capabilities of, such as materials and technologies to clean our air and water. This is one of the first things the aliens spoke of to Jack and me, and what they can and will offer us is beyond what we can do alone. They can help us speed up the reversal of a lot of the damage we have caused our planet and atmosphere. Although some damage is permanent and some things lost are gone forever, with their help we will not have to ride out the full natural process of restoration once we make the change.

Certainly it would be too dangerous now for the alien races to give any of our govts anything that can be used as weaponry. But once we sufficiently unite our world's countries and have one system of world leadership, anything the alien races give us can and will only be used for the benefit of all humans. It will take a long time to get to the goal of benefiting from those kinds of alien technologies, but once we are on a straight path ourselves, we will be trustworthy to handle such things. Also by then, we will be allied with our visiting group of worlds and they will give us any guidance we need with them. They can also help us unite our countries, mostly by mediation. Even with all our differences country to country, everybody begins to benefit immediately upon working toward one goal- peace.

It is also dangerous for the alien races to give particular govts anything where it will cause a sense of favortism of that country if it can be used against the aliens by other countries. The innitial offers of assistance on an official level will be for any country at a certain standard. (This is my understanding, although I have not been told this in these words by the alien races.)

If we had enough time and unity, we might work all of these things out on our own as a race. But because of the way we run our separate systems, our roadblocks are preventing it and our time is running out.

I would like to see a system of ground travel in which vehicles do not completely rely on an independent operator. I would like to see the end of industrial abuse of animals. I would also like to see unlimited education. We could already do these on our own, but we don't.

Eventually we will obtain dimensional travel capabilities from our visiting races. We do not have the materials we will need for this on our world, and our cell structure is not evolved far enough for it anyway.

ES

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Op maandag 1 november 2004 02:05 schreef Price het volgende:

I think, the other races produce their food with advanced techniques. Our modified soybean would be nothing next to their corn.

Hai, Price

No other race would have corn like our corn or corn at all, but whatever their food- it's superior for them compared to what ours is to us. If we ate the way we are intended to eat, not the way we do eat (most of us), our food would be equally superior. They eat exactly what their bodies use with no waste. The way we eat and eliminate is a virtually unique planetary phenomena. Even the other race of humans that visits Earth does not do it.

ES

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Op maandag 1 november 2004 22:09 schreef Hallulama het volgende:

EarthSister, what do aliens think about us enhancing ourselves using genetic manipulation in the (near) future?

Hai, Hallulama

My alien friends have not told me their opinion directly of us enhancing ourselves using genetic manipulation. But from what I can see, all of the advanced races may have done it for themselves because they look very much alike within their races, even males and females. Of course, some or many of them may have started out that way- since there is no one way for all races so I would not assume it universally.

From what I can guess by what I see of humans, once we start to use genetic manipulation to weed out diseases, defects and strive for longevity, this will subsequently begin to bring our whole race toward a particular genetic point. We have already been doing this naturally with animals since day one.

I don't see any moral issue with genetic manipulation of humans itself, but I certainly see potential moral issues in what some of our methods and reasons for it may be. My opinion is not strong here though, because I really do not know much about how it works. I will take a look at those links you posted and let you know if I have a different opinion after that.

ES

And what about overpopulation versus lack of resources then? Board the Enterprise and and go?

(I'm serious)

Hallulama

I see your point. You could be right. But what specifically makes you assume we would overpopulate our planet? And what makes you assume we would lack resources?

There is no place for us to go even if enough of us boarded the Enterprise to keep population down on our planet. There would be a more extreme problem of population for those living on the Enterprise.

ES

Earthsister,

when the time comes, we may need/want to colonize other planets. But all planets which can be inhabited probably already are. and resources we might want, would already be claimed by other civilizations. Since the alliance of races is that big, this has probably occured before.
How did the aliens solve this problem?

EarthSister, I'm not talking about living on the Enterprise (yuck), I mean using the Enterprise as a taxi to some other place, like the famous hotel at the end of the universe (C) Douglas Adams.

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Op donderdag 4 november 2004 15:12 schreef P8 het volgende:
Earthsister,

when the time comes, we may need/want to colonize other planets. But all planets which can be inhabited probably already are. and resources we might want, would already be claimed by other civilizations. Since the alliance of races is that big, this has probably occured before.
How did the aliens solve this problem?

Hai, P8

If the time comes when we can't live here, we are going to die. If we can't fix our own world to live on, we can't fix another. Our planet is perfect for us because we are "made from" it. Another planet would need even more fixing and in ways that we are not capable of doing. Every planet is different. And every planet that has a race of people is just as different. Any race only wants its own planet to live naturally on- that is the best way. The second best (easiest) way is to live in space crafts.

There are many more planets, than planets with people living on them.

Advanced civilizations use resources, but they don't use them up. There is plenty, and all need and use such diverse resources that they don't have any need to fight over them. Instead, they help each other.

Don't let this sound too perfect, though. There are problems, just not many, and they solve them.

Considering all the life and history, there must have been desperate times when races have had to move to another planet. I only imagine this because of some things that my alien friends have said about Mars, when the race that lives there was faced with sudden destruction of their atmosphere and they had to make decisions of how to survive. They considered searching for another planet they could move to, but instead they modified the one they have and moved everybody underground. It was much easier to control the atmosphere of their own planet than that of any other.

If I get a chance to ask my alien friends specifically about how a race moves to another planet, I will tell you what they say. Tell me exactly what you would like me to ask them.

-ES

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Op donderdag 4 november 2004 20:01 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
EarthSister, I'm not talking about living on the Enterprise (yuck), I mean using the Enterprise as a taxi to some other place, like the famous hotel at the end of the universe (C) Douglas Adams.

Hallulama

I think maybe a closer planet to one's own would have a better chance of being more alike than one at the end of the universe. Aye?

-ES

Of course!

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Op zondag 7 november 2004 01:52 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
If I get a chance to ask my alien friends specifically about how a race moves to another planet, I will tell you what they say. Tell me exactly what you would like me to ask them.

-ES

that's the only question i have regarding the colonizing issue. I tried to come up with a new question, but there isn't any question left about colonizing that is need to be asked. you've answered it all

However, i came up with a new question. Are aliens capable of speaking any language spoken here on earth? Or is telepathy a universal language?

P8

Telepathy is Universal. But telepathy is in many forms. Anything you can think, you can tell another. It can be pictures, sounds, feelings, video, anything. If a person does not study another race's language, he can't exactly speak it by telepathy, but he can still communicate. Whether the person he is speaking to can receive him or not, or how well, is another matter, considering us humans who have not reached our evolutional point for advanced communication yet. It is also possible for someone to read another's thoughts who is not purposely trying to talk with them. We use forms of telepathy all of the time and hardly notice it. Animals also use forms of telepathy.

All of our visiting races speak human by telepathy. I don't know how long it takes them to learn our languages but it's not long. They probably study them before they embark on their missions here. All of my alien friends speak English to me, and/or they communicate in other forms of telepathy to me.

Few of our visiting races can pronounce our language sounds audibly.

Ok, for your question I will ask, "How does or can a race of people move from their natural world to live on another world?"

If and when I get an answer, I will tell you.

Thank you,

although i'm still not sure if you speak the truth (read: my truth, since i am convinced you believe all that you're saying), I am a little excited a question is asked in my name.

But another 2 questions for you

you've mentioned several times that the aliens "have their own problems". can you give examples of their problems?

And if i meet an alien, should i talk in english or dutch? (or german, french or japanese )

P8

I know you don't just believe me and I feel that is the best opinion for people to hold. You couldn't know, and the things I talk about are far outside of mainstream, even for the ufo field. If you just believe me without knowing anything for yourself, that would reflect an error in your judgment. That kind of error is common in humanity. Wherever there is a mystery, there are people who will project and invoke their own beliefs and desires.

Many people "know" the aliens are real. They may or may not have seen anything alien for themselves, but many people can deduce from all the evidence, eyewitnesses and obvious cover-ups that there "must" be something to it all. But it is at a point beyond this realization that things really start to get confusing, because all kinds of people will believe just about anything "about" the aliens. They hear a lot of craziness, much of it designed propaganda, so even the truth sounds like more craziness, and they do not recognize another option. They make a choice of whether to deny any belief (or hope) that there is other life, or to accept something among all that craziness. They do not fathom the order to the Universe. They don't realize that even though they hear all the yack yack yacking from so many people making various claims, hardly anybody on Earth knows the aliens at all, not even the people who have experiences with them.

Some problems alien races have are differences of opinion between close worlds and on their own worlds. One party may want to do something one way and another party may want to do something another way. Misunderstandings happen all of the time wherever you have a diversity of life. The largest differences between primitive life (like us) and advanced life are in "how" they prevent and solve their differences. Advanced life has had much more time for experience, and also share knowledge and abilities to help one another.

Advanced races regularly use mediation by independent third party. They choose someone who is highly respected by all sides, or they already have such a person in place. Each party who has the disagreement may want something different, but they each want the same one thing the most, which is peace. Nobody always gets everything he wants. Everyone helps to just get themselves and everyone else as close to what they each need as possible.

For instance, if a number of races use a resource from a world, and one of those races begins to need more and this becomes a concern to the others that their resource will become depleted, this would be a problem.

Some races are especially widely known and respected for their natural abilities of personality and wisdom. These races are usually among the most advanced in an area, and many particularly skilled members of such a race may be employed in a group of worlds as mediators.

Other kinds of problems advanced races have are similar to ours, such as disease and limited technologies to achieve the next particular obstacle. But again these problems have been and are handled in advanced ways, so they are much less occurring and less lasting.

P8

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And if i meet an alien, should i talk in english or dutch? (or german, french or japanese)

If you meet an alien being, then he already knows you and your language. Just use the language you are most comfortable with. He will understand you no matter what language you use. But speak by telepathy and you will be more clearly understood as in exactly what you mean.

P8, I got your answer.

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"How does or can a race of people move from their natural world to live on another world?"

It is almost entirely impossible for a race of people to move to another world. Naturally it is impossible. With specific technologies there is a slight possibility of success. The only reason to answer with any hope is because there are "soooo many" other worlds that there may be another that has some similar elements. But even then, chances are that it is too far away to even be reached by the needy race.

Even if a race can find and travel to another world that partly matches any particular necessities of its biology, there will be too many other particular necessities that would make it impossible. If a race finds a world with usable water, the food may not be usable. If temperature is livable, air pressure or gravity may make it impossible. Germs and bacteria of infinite, mutating varieties except of people's own world are deadly.

One way to use technologies to sustain life on a foreign world that is slightly matched to one's own is to use types of enclosures such as domes to create a strictly controlled environment. But any such kind of a diversification to the world by what the race brings and does there will then affect the elements of the world. The natural cycle to a world runs itself, having evolved itself that way. When you make any planetary or atmospheric changes to it, you cannot predict how destruction will happen to the world, only that it will. For dynamic "breathing" worlds such as Earth, covering the ground in a large enough way for a race to move there would suffocate the planet, catastrophically changing the natural balance of its inner pressure and ecosystem.

If a race can find and reach another similar livable planet to its own, and they can build shelters, and do not die quickly, and the planet does not die quickly, there is then a remote possibility that the world can adapt and survive. Then there is a remote possibility that the race can begin to adapt to their new world's new atmosphere by slowly exposing itself to the elements, that over evolutional time the race can develop into.

It is easier in every way to live in crafts in space than it is to move onto another world.

thank you very much

and again, i came up with a new question:

this time, it is about a particular alien:
http://www.theprojectatearth.com/Kaywaan.html
The description says that this alien can conduct their bodies at near light speed.

you have probably heared of einsteins theory of relativity (which has been proven). Which comes to this: The faster you move, the slower time will flow for you compared to those who are not moving. For example: if you move with 99,999% of the light speed for about a minute, probably everyone you knew would have died of ageing.

if these aliens can move their bodies at near light speed, that means there will be some strange phenomenons within their race.
same goes for space flight
do you have more information about this?

and what is jack's role in all of this? You teach people via the internet, and i cant remember you have ever mentioned anything about what jack does

I'm guessing Einstein's theory is fundamentally flawed.

But then, it seems somewhat likely buy now that observation changes reality ( In the sense that multiple realities exist at the same time as seperate waveworms and only when they are observed do they collapse into a single waveform which we then call reality).
So if these creatures then observed something else entirely, reality may be different for them. I should wonder what would happen when fundamentally different creatures observed simoltaniously, which waveform would collapse? If either.

If you're not sure what I'm talking about, ask Schrodinger's cat.

P8

I will see what I can find out about Kaywaan that I don't already know about how he can move around. My understanding is that there is no time discrepancy until you travel beyond near light speed. At that point, the mechanism becomes dimensional which takes one to "many times greater" than the speed of light. Don't forget that alien technologies to manipulate time are not limited to what we would assume from what we think we already know about relativity.

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and what is jack's role in all of this? You teach people via the internet, and i cant remember you have ever mentioned anything about what jack does

Jack and I work together both with the aliens and with the public. Jack's skills make him better suited than I to work individually with the aliens and my skills make me better suited than he to work individually with the public. We give talks to local groups large and small and some interviews for the media now and again. We always speak in person together, and when our children are all grown we will travel more.

For now, I do most of the talking with humans by phone and writing by mail, email and posting to message boards on the Internet. I have greater writing abilities, artistic-creative design skills, social skills, understanding and patience with never-ending questions than Jack does. Jack has greater abilities to understand more alien races than I do, wider and more intricate expressions of the aliens than I do, and greater access to his natural (psychic) abilities we use when we meet with them. He can more easily and bravely handle one-on-one alien contact than I, as well as recall greater amounts of material from other states of consciousness.

It just happens naturally that I do most of the recording of events and writing and speaking with people individually. If you would like to hear from Jack, I can arrange it and he would be more than happy to.

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Op vrijdag 12 november 2004 00:52 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
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Op vrijdag 12 november 2004 03:12 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
P8, I got your answer.
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you probably got that answer between those two posts.
Now you live in Massachusetts. that means there's a difference in time of 6 hours. which means you met your friends between 18.52 and 21.12
It's probably already dark in Massachusetts at that time, but everyone is still awake at that time. So how could you have spoken to the aliens, if everyone could have seen the alien landingcraft coming down?

Come to think about it, how do you keep contact? I think people'll notice if aliens would land their craft in your garden occasionally

p.s. sorry if i sounded a bit rude in my post, but im quite tired and cant come up with the best words.

It's all right P8. I know it's confusing. Honestly I don't exactly or completely understand it myself.

The alien races can land their crafts literally anywhere they want, and nobody here can see them unless they want us to. Even some in a group of people can see them while the rest cannot.

But they don't land their crafts here every time they talk with us. Usually they remain on their crafts above our atmosphere and only speak telepathically with us. When they do make a personal visit, they are usually out of body and they can travel without landing their crafts.

Sometimes, they land their crafts right down over where we are, so "in effect" we are standing on board of their crafts with them, face to face, as well as standing in our own living rooms with them, face to face, both at the same time, each in our own atmospheres.