Organisation of Visiting Races III

EarthSister

Thank you for your reply.

And there you go with more accusations, bordering slander this time.

Carl Sagan was a liar? And this is based on your personal experience? Please tell me what he was lying about. Was he lying to us when he helped bringing the search for Extra Terrestrial life in to the mainstream science? Or was he lying when he initiated many projects to actually search for alien life forms? Perhaps he was lying when he was instrumental in EDUCATING millions of people about the possibility that aliens might visit us one day? And that such an event would not be something to fear but to welcome.

Do you have anything constructive to contribute or will this be one exercise of accusations after an other?

See, there is a pattern emerging. First, of course, is that business about that everything you say you refuse to back up. And second, if somebody asks to clarify any inconsistencies your standard reply is that some secret covert black ops governmental special interest group is manipulating and distorting what in your mind is perceived as the truth. With no additional evidence to back that up either.

You are simply not convincing. One would expect a more humble approach from some one who claims to has contact with highly evolved life forms. If you truly are representing aliens on this planet than I would suggest to keep the accusations to a minimum and a little bit more diplomacy would be in order. I'm sure that if the aliens choose to use humans to prepare other humans prior to their visitation they will need a little bit more than what you are offering. I'm a afraid that the mantra " Aliens good - Governments bad " won't be sufficient.

I leave you with a quote from a great scientist. A man who dedicated a huge part of his life to inform and educate people that it is inevitable and certainly not to be feared that the human race will one day have an encounter with an alien life form. And he had the science to back it up.

"Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep insights can be winnowed from deep nonsense." - Carl Sagan

Bucc4n33R

You are a smart guy. You can think in more layers than just the obvious and mundane when it comes to "national security."

Earthsister

again, thank you for answering.

You say the ability to lie is one of our worst abilities. why is that? In my opinion, this is something that can do good. of course, a good liar with bad intensions isnt a good combination. but there are situations in which lying would not do bad. for example: if you are planning a surprise for someone.
or sometimes the truth is to hard to handle for some people. in such cases it would be good to not be honest.

once i heard a quote which might be true: "if you always tell the truth, you'll end up alone"

another thing i was wondering about: you make me think the aliens are living in an Eden or something. its like all of the races in the alliance dont have problems with their own population etc. But that cant be the case, can it?
come to think about it, do aliens have a cure for cancer? I presume cancer is also a common disease among alien life, since its cause is a mutation instead of a virus or bacteria. And are there diseases caused by a virus as well on earth as on other planets (although this must be quite a coincedense)

Wow this is great. Another Nancy Lieder in our midst ( [url] www.zetatalk.com [/url] ). Althought a different story with a different goal it is the same thing in basic as what the other Nancy is doing. Getting a lot of attention with no real evidence to support your stories. I agree with Bucc4n33R that everything is all a bit easy said. And to blame everything at the government is a bit to easy for me to.

Don't get me wrong. I am convinced that alien lifeforms are visiting us. I saw thousands of pictures and read hundreds of stories of eyewitnesses who had first hand experience of seeing weird lights in the sky with weird flying paterns and angels. Heck i've even seen a strange light myself.

With all due respect to the people who believe this Nancy Malacaria, i don't. She shows almost exactly the same paterns as Nancy Lieder with her Nibiru aproach and Greys.

Maybe i shouldn't have responded to this topic because i really don't believe it but I thought i had to let you people know why i doubt her stories. I read throught the topics but it's all a great number of incredible stories with great morals to the world but with no evidence whatsoever to support it. Just like Nancy Lieder and the Zeta's (almost sounds like a name for a crappy band )

Kind regards

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Op zaterdag 16 oktober 2004 21:03 schreef P8 het volgende:

You say the ability to lie is one of our worst abilities. why is that?

P8

Our ability to lie perpetuates many of our problems. When we can't lie anymore, we will not learn to lie from the beginning of our lives. When we practice common telepathy, we will not lie like we do now. We will not have the criminal-ability.

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another thing i was wondering about: you make me think the aliens are living in an Eden or something. its like all of the races in the alliance dont have problems with their own population etc. But that cant be the case, can it?

No, advanced races don't live in Eden. But they run their own things better than we run ours. Perhaps compared to us, the way they live would seem like Eden to us.

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come to think about it, do aliens have a cure for cancer? I presume cancer is also a common disease among alien life, since its cause is a mutation instead of a virus or bacteria. And are there diseases caused by a virus as well on earth as on other planets (although this must be quite a coincedense)

Yes, they have cures for our cancers. Advanced races have diseases, but they have cures and have already overcome most of their own diseases.

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Op zaterdag 16 oktober 2004 21:03 schreef P8 het volgende:
You say the ability to lie is one of our worst abilities. why is that? In my opinion, this is something that can do good. of course, a good liar with bad intensions isnt a good combination. but there are situations in which lying would not do bad. for example: if you are planning a surprise for someone.
or sometimes the truth is to hard to handle for some people. in such cases it would be good to not be honest.

once i heard a quote which might be true: "if you always tell the truth, you'll end up alone"

another thing i was wondering about: you make me think the aliens are living in an Eden or something. its like all of the races in the alliance dont have problems with their own population etc. But that cant be the case, can it?
come to think about it, do aliens have a cure for cancer? I presume cancer is also a common disease among alien life, since its cause is a mutation instead of a virus or bacteria. And are there diseases caused by a virus as well on earth as on other planets (although this must be quite a coincedense)

Though I'm not Earthsister, I implore you to throw a few more interesting questions on the table. I don't really have a problem with your questions, and I surely don't have a problem with you (before you think that), but more with the fact that the questions you're asking there don't really apply to this topic, in my eyes atleast. You could find the answers everywhere in the everyday life, so there's no need for them here. I don't think Earthsister would have any special answers on those that other people cannot give you.

I mean come on, having a cure for cancer? With the current progress made WE will have a cure for different forms of cancer in the very near future, so if any alien race more advanced then us would have a disease similar to cancer, they would have a cure for it. Or atleast, I hope so. For them.

The fact that they have a lot less problems, and their societies may seem like Eden to us, is not that alien as you think. WE could do that, if only we would view problems as puzzles that need to be solved, instead of unovercoming obstacles. Apart from the unwillingness from many people to get up and do something for a change. You can not only see it in the fact that we still have many problems in this world, but in a host of other things as well, even how many people live their lives. Even though they're mentally bored or in another way unhappy with their lives, they just keep on going to work everyday and refuse to do something about it, all the while saying that: "it's no use trying to change things". simple lazyness. Though most people are lazy in a few or many areas, including myself ofcourse, that would decreasy massively when people would see obstacles as something to be overcome with a bit of creativity, I'd think..

Anyway. Lying is never positive. It's extremely hard to keep a lie you've made up alive, even if you come to believe that lie yourself over time. Because, somewhere, you will always acknowledge the fact that it's not the truth. And people will feel it. Not everybody is as skilled with body language, and as good in touch with their intuitive feelings as others are, but almost anybody can detect a lie when it's spoken (or written or whatever). Even if the person doing it is an extremely skilled liar. Just as you can feel it when there's something wrong with someone, for example, even though that person acts as if everything's all right. The point is, that people will always know they're being lied to in a small or a large way, and it won't lift their spirits. It will worsen when their feelings get backed up by hard facts. And, almost any lie will come out eventually. It's that simple. No lie can be held alive forever, because of the simple fact that it's a lie.

You state that a good example of when lying can be a good thing is when someone can't accept the truth about something. People can take on a lót more then you usually think, before it becomes too much for one person to handle. Though that varies from person to person ofcourse, but only in small degrees. The only possible way a person cannot handle certain truths is when that person has been lied to before, multiple times in his or her life (read: véry often). If those lies weren't told, then that person wouldn't need to hear a lie now either.

For example: You're on a vacation. You come back, and in the meantime a good friend of yours has commited suicide in an absolutely horrible way. Another friend of yours knows this, and thinks about wether to tell you the truth, or a lie. If the other friend tells you a lie, you will never feel completely content with it, for deep down, you will know that it's not the truth, and you will never be able to let it rest completely. When it comes out, you will be bothered even more, it will be a complete strain on your psyche, depending on how strong you are in that respect. If that person, on the other hand, tells you the truth... Then you, in normal circumstances, would be able to handle it, even though it would be a shock to you. If you would not be able to handle it, there are two possible reasons: Either you've been lied to before, lots of times (about that friend's mental problems because of wich he or she came up to the point of suicide), or you have a lot of your own heavy problems on your mind, in wich case you've lied to yourself multiple times about one thing or the other, or you would've been able to face certain things a lot earlier, so they wouldn't bother you for long and pile up like that. There are a few other examples I could name, but in either one lying would definately *not* be the best option.

And, when push comes to shove, *everybody* appreciates being honest to. Everybody. Every single man, woman and child on this planet.

The only way, I think, is to remove the so-called 'need' for lying, is to remove the need for people to lie to themselves, wich is attributed to a low-self esteem or another reason why people think they can't handle certain things themselves (organized religions are notorious about saying 'you cannot accomplish <insert>'). My conclusion is that the only way to remove the 'need' for lying, is to stop lying at all. People will be confronted, after wich they'll lie less to themselves and as such less to others, after wich even more people will lie less to themselves etcetc. It's a circle, and Humanity needs to step out of the old one, and into the new one.

My quote wouldn't be: "if you always tell the truth, you'll end up alone", but rather: "if you always tell the truth, you'll never end up alone".


[sorry for this offtopic post tho *goes back into lurking mode*]

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hmm i haven't killed this topic have i?

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2004 00:03 schreef DiSiLLUSiON het volgende:
hmm i haven't killed this topic have i?

She'll be back, I think.

I still find it a very interesting topic, with a lot of questions and a lot of respect at the same time.

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2004 01:30 schreef APK het volgende:

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She'll be back, I think.

I still find it a very interesting topic, with a lot of questions and a lot of respect at the same time.

I am still here. How could I leave you guys? You are the best! Anyway, I needed to get caught up on other things.

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2004 02:06 schreef EarthSister het volgende:

I am still here. How could I leave you guys? You are the best! Anyway, I needed to get caught up on other things.

I guess this is not the only forum you post on.
I can tell you that I spread the message, and you've caused quite a few heated debates in my circle of friends.

Do the aliens have a preference, between Bush and Kerry?

Well the reptillians obviously favour bush but I have no idea what kind of alien Kerry is. A Chinzilla or something.

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2004 02:12 schreef APK het volgende:

I guess this is not the only forum you post on.
I can tell you that I spread the message, and you've caused quite a few heated debates in my circle of friends.

APK

Thanks for helping out. Are you becoming as infamous as me? Stepping on toes?

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Do the aliens have a preference, between Bush and Kerry?

I don't know. They might. If they do, they aren't telling me, and I can't recognize anything in the two men that would indicate it.

PS Everyone . . .

Which of the two most popular US presidential canidates do you think would serve best the pending issues of our visiting races? And why?

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2004 13:57 schreef stigchel het volgende:
Well the reptillians obviously favour bush but I have no idea what kind of alien Kerry is. A Chinzilla or something.

stigchel

Are these serious statements? I can't tell.

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2004 14:05 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
Which of the two most popular US presidential canidates do you think would serve best the pending issues of our visiting races? And why?

i think neither one will serve good, but kerry would be best, i think. Bush seems a little more powerhungry than Kerry, and Kerry is a bit more open minded. at least, thats what i learn from television. for example, bush is anti gay-marriage and abortion, Kerry is not.
In my eyes, this is something which indicates that Kerry is more open-minded for changes.
although this can be a personal opinion, i dont think that very much people disagree.

But still. Both wont be good. Since the president alone isnt the same as the whole government. And the government isnt replaced every 4 / 8 years. therefore they are very keen on keeping the power they have at the moment.
Another thing is that the president isn't the same as the population. Everything i see about americans, is that they are arrogant and egocentric. Of course, Not all americans are like that, but the main share is. And somehow, and i dont exactly know at what point that will happen, it will go wrong when aliens do come to earth (assuming you tell the truth). But that's just a feeling i have. i can be wrong with that of course.

Now what im interested in is: Who do you think would be best?


and at disillusion: Im sorry i didnt reply to you, but i didnt feel like writing back . But everything you said at the beginning of your post (i.e. my questions are offtopic), i already knew. But if noone is asking questions, why shouldn't i ask some offtopic questions then?

P8

Very good points you make.

I think I agree with your thinking that neither would serve the issues of alien life well, at least as things are right now. I also think that either "could" serve well under proper circumstances. I don't know exactly what those circumstances will eventually be because they haven't come up to be tested yet. But I suspect that they will have to do with the publics personally learning more truths, then casting votes and making demands of our leaders, based on those truths. How long the process could take, I have no idea. Maybe over generations.

As for elections and re-elections, there is so much going on hidden from our view, that the choices we get to make for a leader don't seem to actually touch the real decisions we should be able to make about how our world is run. I am looking forward to this changing in the wakes of the publics uncovering government secrets. When things open up, everything is going to come out, all the crimes, not just who is to blame for all the lies and cover-ups about the aliens.

Honestly, I just don't know who I think would be best, because it is clear to me that what I see at face value is not the way things really are behind it all, and I don't feel convinced it would make any difference on such a "national security" level between these two men at all.

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Op zaterdag 30 oktober 2004 19:23 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
As for elections and re-elections, there is so much going on hidden from our view, that the choices we get to make for a leader don't seem to actually touch the real decisions we should be able to make about how our world is run.

but the next problem then is that there are many opinions in this world, and if a majority votes against something, a part remains who wont give up that easy. A very easy example is discrimination. Almost everyone is against slavery and discrimination, but one part of the society sees negro's as low-life creatures qho should do our dirty jobs.

and a new question. When the aliens come to earth, are they willing to give some technologies to us. like something which provides us of enough energy and doest affect the environment in a bad way.

P8

As time goes on and people become more and more intelligent many things change. Many things that were impossible for us to change before are much more possible now, like slavery and discrimination. I only see us continuing to go forward with these, not backwards. It's just taking time equal to our collective speed. Points in time are punctuated with specific dates of official changes through history, but the process is ever continuing. As society changes, the new people being born and raised in healthier, more intelligent societies will not carry the same kinds of teachings that their ancestors had.

Our visiting races already share things with us through individuals, mostly by helping with ideas. When they actually ally with our race, they will be able to start sharing more technologies with us in more professional ways. They are already willing and that is one great part of why they are spending their individual lives here -- to help us. But they will not be allowed to give us certain things unless or until it can be done under the right circumstances, and a lot of that depends strictly on us and what we will do with them. There is an even larger, higher body of authority above the organization of visiting races here who shares in that decision-making.

What things would you like to see first, besides clean energy? What things would you think would be too dangerous to give us yet and why?

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Op zondag 31 oktober 2004 19:01 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
What things would you like to see first, besides clean energy? What things would you think would be too dangerous to give us yet and why?

although i think clean energy would be the be the best tech for us to have, it would be the most dangerous, too. Because energy and weaponry go hand in hand. And many people (read: America) are interested in making stronger weapons.
So i think this technology would mean great improvements for us. too bad some factors in our world would be the cause that we wont get it.

Another thing we "need" are more efficient ways to produce safe food. with safe i mean foods which aren't geneticly modified.

although some things might seem safe to give, it's almost certain that these things can be modified for the sake of a single individual.

I think every thing aliens could give us, would have to be controlled by them too. and there are a few things why that wouldnt be the best idea too.
1) they probably have some better things to do than working in our interest
2) It may look suspicious and govts can use that in a bad way.

but id like you to ask you the same question you asked me: What things would you like to see first, besides clean energy? What things would you think would be too dangerous to give us yet and why?

and @ others: why isnt anyone talking here anymore?

I think the majority of wars are in fact about energy and raw materials, even though the media makes you think otherwise.

If we have cheap, clean and unlimited energy available for everyone, this would almost certainly mean world peace, as countries will then start to mind their own business again.

Okay, regarding the other raw materials, we still need to find a solution that. Or perhaps countries can just trade and recycle that stuff in future, instead of robbing it.

And, when the world is save and secure, we can start using our brains for more interesting things, things we could never dreamed of being possible

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Op zondag 31 oktober 2004 23:27 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
I think the majority of wars are in fact about energy and raw materials, even though the media makes you think otherwise.

We go to war because the dictators still kill and starve their nation. The energy part is a lie made up by extreme leftwinged rats and other nasty bugs (I mean those who's outer shell explode when you step on them ).

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If we have cheap, clean and unlimited energy available for everyone, this would almost certainly mean world peace, as countries will then start to mind their own business again.

No, after we got unlimited energy nuke the middle-east because we don't need those rats anymore.

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Okay, regarding the other raw materials, we still need to find a solution that. Or perhaps countries can just trade and recycle that stuff in future, instead of robbing it.

All pure raw materials are gone in about 40 years.

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And, when the world is save and secure, we can start using our brains for more interesting things, things we could never dreamed of being possible

Keep dreaming on.

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Op zondag 31 oktober 2004 21:59 schreef P8 het volgende:

Another thing we "need" are more efficient ways to produce safe food. with safe i mean foods which aren't geneticly modified.

If you don't want genetically modified food, just say so. Don't use the word "safe". It is nonsense that this food wouldn't be safe. Do you prefer pesticides over genetic modifications in order to prevent parasites to spoil the crop?
I think, the other races produce their food with advanced techniques. Our modified soybean would be nothing next to their corn.

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Op maandag 1 november 2004 02:05 schreef Price het volgende:

I think, the other races produce their food with advanced techniques. Our modified soybean would be nothing next to their corn.

If it wasn't an assumption, it would've been a good question for EarthSister.

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Op maandag 1 november 2004 00:42 schreef DrWolffenstein het volgende:

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We go to war because the dictators still kill and starve their nation. The energy part is a lie made up by extreme leftwinged rats and other nasty bugs (I mean those who's outer shell explode when you step on them ).
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No, after we got unlimited energy nuke the middle-east because we don't need those rats anymore.
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All pure raw materials are gone in about 40 years.
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Keep dreaming on.

Iraq: Oil, stability in important region
Balkan: Raw materials, stability in important region
Atjeh: Natural gas

One country will only get "involved" in another country if there's something there which is of direct or indirect interest.

We don't nuke if we don't get "something" out of the fact that we nuke. This "something" doesn't mean a bunch of dead people, we simply don't care about "just" killing, and dropping bombs for nothing doesn't create a lot of good will

But you are right, I was too blunt, there are wars about religion, idealism, freedom, etc.

Anyway, is all the iron gone in the next 40 years? Aluminium? Copper? Rubber? I don't think so, and those are also raw materials, there's more important stuff than just oil and gas.

I will definitely keep on dreaming!

DrWolfenstein

Although your little rant is a wee bit off topic I can't resist to comment since it is probably the most stupid thing I have read in a while.

Allow me to inform you that the "energy part" as you so eloquently phrased it is far from being a "lie made up by extreme left winged rats" whoever they may be.

Economical might is ultimately what wins wars. Not ideology. This has been largely true thought history. Today, securing the means to sustain that economical power is highly based on oil. Sadly enough, oil is still the fuel of the worlds economy. The consumption of oil and its predicted consumption peak in the near future has surpassed the known oil reserves . In short, eventually we will run out of it. Since we have not found and implemented a viable alternative for oil, the world's economy will still be based on fossil fuels for the next decades to come, Ergo, a nation who wants to keep its economical power will simply have to find ways to secure as much of it as possible. Thus oil is a very feasible reason to wage war. Much more feasible than ousting nation starving dictators based on archaic and primitive myths and make shift ideology. In fact, there are many of those dictators in many parts of the world who are quite safe simply because they do not sit on large quantities of sought after substances.

Also I really like to know who you are referring to when you speak of "we"? I don't think that this bold generalization applies to many of us, including the most powerful nations of the world. What indications are there to assume that "we" will nuke the middle east as soon as "we" don't need them anymore?

Interestingly, you assessment that all raw material will be gone in 40 years, indicates that you also think that this includes oil. Let me ask you this. Knowing that the world is heavily depending on oil, how come you believe that waging war in order to secure oil is an "extreme left wing lie" ?

On a finale note, dreaming about a secure and safe world, whether we can achieve this ourselves or with the aid of aliens is not something to belittle. Especially since your alarmist scenarios lack substance and the most elementarily process of thought. I will keep dreaming. My advise to you would be to start thinking. Especially since we have enough hollow rhetoric to endure of late.