Organisation of Visiting Races III

Hey Nancy!

How often do the aliens visit you? And do you know what that sound coming from my neck is and who that voice I heard could be, I've written about that in the last topic. I haven't heared that voice ever since : (

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What you said reminds me of what Henry Kissinger said.

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to
restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if
they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or
promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all
peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from
this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented
with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for
the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world
government."
-- Henry Kissinger--

Hi Aurora025

I see Kissinger's point and yours. But because the alien races are being "so" careful in how they are proceeding with making the publics aware of their presence, we can only see for ourselves that the aliens are no threat. Eventually most of us must come to realize that all the negativity about alien life is coming from other places besides the aliens, and where those places are.

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I have heard a lot that people like Cheney, Kissinger, Bush and other people in power are pedophilic and child abusers, do you know if that is true?

This is a very strange question, and strange to ask me, and strange in this topic. You know, a lot of people go around repeating things like this about "anybody" for diabolical reasons against their character. It plants a provocative idea that sticks in people's minds, and then the people repeat it elsewhere. And the more people hear things back over again like an echo, the more those things seem to be possibly true in some way to many of those people out there. People do this to each other and to the alien races all of the time too. And anybody could do it to you or me too.

Propaganda is always created against political opponents. If there was any known truth to your insinuation against those you name or other people in power, it would likely come out as public record. I have no reason to think that your statement is true at all as it is. I am sure that there are some deviates in positions of govt authority, but there are deviates in all possible positions in life. I suspect that a high position of govt would make it much more unlikely that such a deviate could get all the way there with such a problem going on.

Ask yourself how many times you have heard that repeated, and in what kinds of circles by what kind of personalities. I would say there is something amiss with the people in those circles, and that is why they are together in them, going around and around with those kinds of tales. Now, if you have any personal knowledge about a particular deviate person in power, I would like to hear all about it from you.

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You said that leading governments have contact with aliens. Can you tell me exactly how this contact with them is made and where? Can you tell when the alien will make open contact???

I do not know exactly how this contact is made with them or where.

I also do not know when the alien races will make open contact with our world, except "soon" which to me means "before much changes." When certain people and things are in place, it will happen. It is already an inevitable plan of the alien races', and the event is close enough for them to start telling people they are getting ready.

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What if one government thinks it must start a nuclear war and all the people in the world are in danger, will the aliens help us?

The first rule is non-interference. However, the alien races have a jurisdiction to work actively within the bounds of. It is their mission to ally with our world, and this naturally includes helping us out with some things if we choose to let them. If something directly and direly threatens our entire race or their entire objective with our race, it then becomes within their jurisdiction to intercede for us. They could do this very discreetly and they can do it through the help of human individuals. They do not need to make a scene or anything.

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Can aliens get as agressive as people can? Are there killings and crimes in the alienworld?

Any people can get as defensive as we can get -- angry, strong, determined. But it is desperation that creates such bad-will actions. Advanced races do not have any of the basic kinds of desperation that we humans live under daily.

Ask whether any person in the Universe might steal or fight or kill for food to feed himself or his starving family. I would think yes probably anybody. Maybe some would and some would not, but it would be hard to guess of any individual until you saw them in that situation. In this analogy, none of the advanced races is starving for food, so my answer to you would be, Yes, they can get as aggressive as we do, but no, they do not get as aggressive as we do. They don't have to because they have overcome those things already.

EarthSister

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Nancy, when we die and when we are in the spirit world, can we see also alienspirits? I asume that they also have spirits. Is there something as distance and time in the spirit world?

Aurora025

Yes, we can see spirits of alien people when we die if we want to. We can see anybody we want to see when we die. We can see spirits of alien people and anybody else while we are alive too, though.

You're right, the alien people are body and spirit, as we are. The spirit is more of who we really are though. More accurately, we have a body. We are already ourselves before we ever have a body, and we continue to be ourselves between and through each of our lives. Just as here we learn and grow and accumulate abilities, experience and knowledge through our life, our spirit continues to increase throughout our entire spiritual existence.

There is time and distance everywhere in every realm, but nowhere do they exist strictly within our human concept of them. There is time in the spirit world, but no being is bound by time constraints there. There is distance there, but no being is bound or limited by distance there.

newsman

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Eathsister do you believe in rael and raelians.

Of course not.

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Or do you want to build a something in Jerusalem Too.

Does it seem like it to you?

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I still see that word rally.

I have no rally.

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hi Earthsister i was wondering,did you had a nice time?
greet newsman we missed you.

I had a wonderful time, thank you!

And thank you, Everyone, for the welcome backs. You guys are great!

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Op vrijdag 1 oktober 2004 10:32 schreef DonGorgon het volgende:
Hi Earthsister

so..you had an exciting visit in Florida! Everything ok?[quote]

Hi, DonGorgon

Yes, everything is ok. I love to see my mother. She's wonderful. I brought two of my children with me and we all experienced the hurricane together. It was incredibly scary for a while, but the rest of our time together was just golden. We talked a lot, even late into the nights. We cooked together, played games with the kids, went for walks, took care of the house.

[quote]Did you had any contact yet (or again), with 1 of the OVR?

My last contact that I am aware of was with Zar, his first man Naha, and a few of their crew on Sunday morning. It was an unofficial visit to spend time together. We talked for a little while about "the" important things in life (do you know what they are?) and enjoyed each other's company for the rest of the day. This does not happen very often, but every once in a while. We didn't talk about any project business, at least not consciously.

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I really would like to know in what timespan the the OVR will show themselves to the public.

Do you have any indication?

I continue to see the signs of the day approaching, such as increasing general awareness and interest in alien life among humans, increasing sightings, a more serious approach to the subject, more people realizing that our govts are hiding physical evidence and why, and of course the great collective need and desire to know the other races! I don't have a date when it will be, but it feels to me like it could happen at any time. I look at what is happening in the world and try to take a guess, but your guess can be as good as mine when would be the optimal time. There will be no time that is just right, but certainly when enough things are in place, that will be the best time. Many people, human and alien are working to get those things into place. Time is a factor because people on Earth are suffering, but the outcome has to be as smooth and positive as possible. The more ready we are as a race, the better for us. And of course, the aliens can't just take over. It has to be our (human's) choice to accept contact. The leadership of one country has to break the rules, take on pressure from the opposing countries and be able to uphold under the strife. The more individuals like you and me across our globe who will realize and support what the effort is, the more quickly and productively it will progress through the problems we are going to have with it.

The goal is to ally our races. If that is not bound to happen, there is no sense, and a "grand debut" would only further disrupt our world. If we were not ready, a debut would cause us to cement current misperceptions. If the alien races just suddenly showed up to everyone, that would look to us like invasion, and nobody public would have any reason to think otherwise. We would be left vulnerable to believe whatever our leaderships choose to claim or disclose, and each of our leaderships would have something different to say. Our leaderships and our faith in our leaderships could crash, and still nobody would have any reason to believe what the aliens have to say for themselves.

A point in evolution is over a period of many years, even thousands, and "the" big debut is only one event in a long playing series of many important events both before and after the one we are all anticipating. The best way to see how close we are to where we are going is by looking at what is happening where we are, how fast we are traveling, and back at the patterns of the tracks along where we have come.

The Project for our world is thousands of years old. I don't know how many thousands. In 1990, 30 of 172 visiting races were organized together, working with individual humans to teach the general public about alien life, and working with the rest of the visiting races to organize their activities into one unit and one high standard of contact. More of our neighboring races who would not even try to work with us before that time, could finally set up here and start to visit and get to know humans. The newly visiting races joined right into the organization and began to help with the rest. There were problems that took time to work out, which were solved as fairly as possible to everyone by the efforts of everyone involved, and with the help and guidance of the lead organizing races. As of April 2000, the last remaining visiting races joined the organization. Now all of our visiting races work together. No outside race can visit without permission and escort. No contact between humans and alien life is conducted outside of the organization. No visiting race is any form or kind of an abductor. Every visiting race shares the best possible skills, expertise, techniques and tools for use during contact with humans.

There are problems still. But when we human individuals have a chance to talk with somebody we can see and hear and understand, have our questions answered and see what is really going on, then we can make our own conscious choices of whether we would like to proceed in any activities with alien life. Without some foresight, we only have raw instinctual fear and mistrust of the "unknown" bolstered and perpetuated by gory horror stories. I personally have helped introduce "many" humans to their own alien contacts. Most were terrified until they learned a few things for themselves about the aliens, and now they have their own experience and position, and they can help others too. Once humans get to know the alien people a little bit, they can start to accept them for who and what they really are.

Trust takes time to build in us humans. It can't be forced. Humans believing that alien life is not real, or worse- believing the aliens are monsters, is making it very difficult for the alien races to build our race's trust in them. As long as our leaders (those who are controlling our information and threatening the aliens to stay away) can keep us ill-informed and terrified, they can keep controlling our world's interests without their public's opinion or vote, or even our knowledge.

Eventual open contact between our worlds is inevitable. But the publics have to take the truth. All our leaders are not going to break down, admit all their lies and give us the truth even after Japan opens contact. Individuals need a reason to believe what we will hear out of Japan instead of what the other nations will claim against the aliens and against Japan.

So that is why it is taking time, and the more individuals on Earth that get a good idea of what is really going on in our leaderships before it happens, and get to know the alien people personally, the better.

Does it seem to you like the human race is ready to ally with our visiting races yet? What kinds of things can people do to help get us ready?

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Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 16:31 schreef P8 het volgende:

you forgot to answer my question from the last topic: are there any authentic photo's of crop circles or aliens that you know of?

Hai, P8

I will see if I can find a picture of an authentic crop formation. I have asked and been told long ago about a few particular pictures that are authentic, but I do not recall them from my mind.

I have never seen an authentic photo of an alien being.

Photos of authentic crop formations and photos of authentic alien beings are not in the same category of availability. Anybody can see a crop formation and take a picture. It can't be moved or hidden. They are abundant. They are enormous and placed for the purpose of being spotted by humans. The disguise of them by authorities comes in the form of destruction, recreation and the claim of authorship.

Alien beings are very discrete and protective of themselves with a mind of their own. They do not openly expose themselves physically to our atmosphere, so could not be photographed by surprise in passing. Only by remote tragic accident or military attack can an alien being fall out of the sky and be trapped on the ground with humans and then be photographed, and yes these things have happened. The alien people immediately to quickly die in our atmosphere. Any photos of any alien people would be of them deceased, and be in top secret custody of secret govt. Any remote chance of an authentic photo of an alien being circulating in the public would be investigated for the surrounding circumstances of the person who had it and how he obtained it, and that person would be in danger for that reason, if there really was any such reason.

On the other hand, phony photographs are more than welcome in the public, especially when they look authentic and the authors claim that they are, because with the greater number of those that are believed fake, that helps ruin any true belief in alien life at all. The media is saturated with fake evidence.

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and another question:
have the aliens given you something? like a jewel or something? or did they enhance your body with certain technologies? like something which expands your lifespawn or something?

They have never given us any material thing except the occasional implant.

Some of our use of our natural abilities has been enhanced by an affect of something like surgery. This opens channels without any addition of machinery or bionics. Natural changes in physical and spiritual structure are hastened ahead of the human evolutional process so that we can more easily access our natural abilities between our spirits and our bodies for the purpose of our work with our alien contacts.

Our spiritual abilities are not made by the procedure. We are naturally "of" advanced races by our heritage already, and our abilities are ahead of what is normal for humans to have. Only our physical human access to them has been enhanced for our use of them beyond what we could achieve without.

These procedures are not common among all alien experiencers.

These procedures do not expand our lifespan.

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Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 17:33 schreef lplover het volgende:
Hey Nancy!

How often do the aliens visit you?

Hai, Iplover! Thank you for waiting for me.

Our alien contacts visit us consciously from every day, to one or two times a week, to one or two times a month or so. Sometimes not for a couple of months at a time. It all depends on what we are working on and if they need to meet with us on this level about it. A lot of our work with them is done in higher states of consciousness and at those times we do not physically recall much of it at all.

We mostly know about the things we need to know about. To know all of it and keep track of it would be too much extra demanding activity for our lives.

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And do you know what that sound coming from my neck is and who that voice I heard could be, I've written about that in the last topic. I haven't heared that voice ever since : (

I don't know what that voice you heard was. I think the answers others gave you about it are very good, though.

EarthSister

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Op donderdag 7 oktober 2004 01:53 schreef EarthSister het volgende:

Does it seem to you like the human race is ready to ally with our visiting races yet?

Some very interesting questions, but difficult to answer.

I don't think the human race is ready yet for the "introduction". But they won't be within 20 years or even 50 years either. Skipping this problem, I think that an alliance is very possible indeed. Only those countries that are less powerfull in world politics (incl. military influence etc.), will be more open-minded towards aid from outer space. In that case, the USA will be one of the most difficult countries to persuade. They will fear to loose their mighty world influence.
India E.G. will soon be the biggest nation on Earth. With an increasing poverty and increasing number of diseases (such as AIDS), this country is "begging" for help.

Looking at countries, we sometimes see leaders as powerfull men, hardly to give up their privileged positions and fancy customs. Those are the difficult ones. The people, however, have the power. They are the ones that need help and ask for help.

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What kinds of things can people do to help get us ready?

The most difficult question.

1. We can help our fellow citizens to be aware of the fact that alien races will visit us. Exactly like you are doing ES. For that purpose we have to have experiences. I can't convince my parents simply by a story that I've read on the internet. Although it may seem plausible to me. On the other hand, the "believers" are far outnumbered. Their noble strive to convince people won't get us anywhere. (at least not on a large scale in the near future)

2. Leading government members can declare on oath, that aliens do exist and that evidence of extraterrestrial contact will be presented.

3. NASA space explorers might find something on Mars or elsewhere, that won't be kept secret but will be published to the entire world.

P8

The crop formation that is on Led Zeppelin's album produced in the 1970's is authentic, made by alien life. I don't know what the symbols read. The company uses this picture logo on their Remasters album also.

I will see if I can find any more.

EarthSister

Something strange has happend this evening and there are some coincidences so my mom now deffinately doesn't believe in coincidence anymore. It was evening and me, my mom and my dad were watching tv. The phone rings and my mom picks up. It's the sister of my grandma. I can hear them talking, I hear my mom ask how she's doing (she broke her hip recently) and she said "I'm doing fine" and they were talking about her learning to walk again. She sounded normal, as always her voice sounded very positive. An hour later, we are watching tv again, the phone rings again. My mom picks up again, I can hear it's the son of the sister. He sais the sister of my grandma just died. She just called us!!! It turnes out that the hairdresser of my grandma called her sister today so that my grandma could talk to her sister, so she talked to her on the day she died. They love eachother very much, my grandma was in tears after she heared she broke her hip. SO in a way, that was actually her goodbye. Then it also turnes out the sister called the previous neighbour of my grandma, to ask for the phone number of my grandma that she lost. So the neighbour could say goodbye to her too. But she couldn't find the number, so she calles my mom. So she could say goodbye to my mom too. Her son went to see her this evening, he get's there and in a few minutes she dies, in his arms. So she actually waited with dying till her son came!!! I've had that also with my guinee pigs and my hamsters, they waited for me and then they died. What my mom and I also find strange and see as a sign she was going to die, was the fact that she broke her hip and she seemed to heal very good and fast. At that time my grandma and us visited her. But then suddenly she has a bleeding in her bowel and she needs a bloodtransfusion. I think this is the beginning of the end, but again, she heals very fast and few weeks later she's in a revalidation home, where she dies. Last thing pointing to her death is the fact that she asked her son recently to pray for her. I was sad when I heared the news, but I'm not so said anymore. I just feel really bad for my grandma and her son, he lost his father (her husband) this year as well. But I'm glad see died fast and was happy and with her son, and I know she's in a good place right now

Iplover

I too notice that sometimes "coincidences" are what we see of it when somebody up there is helping us take care of things.

God bless your family.

thank you earthsister. ive found one which is impossible to make in one night by humans (so they say). so is this one authentic?


and whats the idea of making cropcircles? What do the aliens want to accomplish with such actions?

edit: the black dot in the center is a person, just to indicate how large it is

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and another question:

Aliens too believe there is a god. but if i remember correctly, you claimed all does not end when you die. now i agree 80 years is very short to satisfy all my curiousity. But i think i'd be fed up with everything after a million years or so. however, when youre already dead, you cant get killed or kill yourself. so in fact, after a few billion years, immortality turns into the greatest curse there is. are we all doomed to face this? or is there something like reincarnation?

*post to keep this topic in my act.topics*

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Op vrijdag 8 oktober 2004 16:02 schreef P8 het volgende:
thank you earthsister. ive found one which is impossible to make in one night by humans (so they say). so is this one authentic?
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Hai, P8.

My strong opinion is that this formation is made by humans. It is a very simple patterns of circles too- the easiest and fastest form to make in crops. It is very loud, but doesn't say anything at all. Think: would an important message say, "the THE the THE the THE the THE the THE the"? I don't know any other circumstances of this formation, but there is nothing about its photo that suggests to me that it is alien-made.

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and what's the idea of making crop circles? What do the aliens want to accomplish with such actions?

Humans record and categorize all known crop formations, and the alien races put them right where we can find them for that very purpose. "Special interest groups" create many additional formations though, for the purpose of muting and confusing public opinion of all formations, authorship and meanings. It's a big game of competition between the human circle makers, but to the professionals behind them it's a serious business of preserving the current corrupt way of governing Earth.

Authentic crop formations spell out important things we need to know about the alien races and their activities here. The fact that humans cannot reproduce them with the same affects on soil and vegetation further testifies (along with personal claims of contact and public sightings of crafts) that alien life is visiting. The fact that the formations are so coded that we cannot read them or further speak for (misrepresent) the messages testifies to which are authentic and which are fake. The greatest value of the messages to us from the alien races will be in our historical perspective, because when we solve or are given the codes, and we can read back over the history of alien visitation, only the truth will come out at the end of all these years of government-generated confusion. The long history will prove the alien races' abilities and intentions, including their peaceful visitation and continuous offer of assistance despite the accusations. The reasons for government corruption and cover-up of alien visitation to our world over this period of time will also become openly apparent to the public.

What the alien races want to accomplish is giving humans true information about themselves. If we (our leaders) already, today, had the codes cracked, they could make more formations that "prove" more untruths. If we could similarly affect the molecules of the stems, we would not recognize authentic from fake. The alien races only want to help our whole race, not interfere between our factions. It would be greatly beneficial to all of us if our governments would change their ways before they have to face the music. Only the publics can force the changes upon our governments. It is not the place of the other races to do so.

Think of the formations as a personal coded diary of information and events published for the public daily by the suspects, that cannot be deciphered (or hidden, or rewritten, or appended, or edited, or censored) until it's time for closing arguments of their 50 year criminal trial.

EarthSister

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Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2004 23:22 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
Bucc4n33R

I just wrote a long response to you, but it came out sounding pretty defensive, probably just because I am a little tired. So I am deleting it. I will save it and modify it later if I decide to answer you with it again. You raised some good points that should be addressed and I don't mean to skip over your posts.

You sure?

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Op vrijdag 8 oktober 2004 16:09 schreef P8 het volgende:

Aliens too believe there is a god. but if i remember correctly, you claimed all does not end when you die. now i agree 80 years is very short to satisfy all my curiousity. But i think i'd be fed up with everything after a million years or so. however, when youre already dead, you cant get killed or kill yourself. so in fact, after a few billion years, immortality turns into the greatest curse there is. are we all doomed to face this? or is there something like reincarnation?

It is my simple understanding from my personal experience in my own lives, and from what I have been told by advanced life (alien life), by spirits (people I communicate with who are deceased) and by divine life (Angels) that we are not limited to one physical life. Just as there is a "normal" life span for us, there is a normal span of time to remain "in the spirit world" between lives before we reenter physical life-- a new body and life. There is also a "normal" number of lives we can have before we move beyond this period, into another stage of existence. We humans all have the opportunities of "a few" lives, I am told. I don't know how many is the normal, but it is not continual forever. We always have an individual choice of lives- it does not happen randomly. We choose what we want to do, where we want to go, and who we want to be with for our future lives with understanding of the chances, and assume the risks of our choices. We are never alone. We always have guidance and protection available.

When our bodies die, we are still everything we are now, and have ever been (accumulated) by spirit. There is "some" element of physicality to our spirit. Our spirits are not made of nothing, they are made of something. Our consciousness is tangible and audible and manipulate-able energy. (Please do not assume that I fully understand this.)

Reincarnation is real, but not in the way we commonly think of it. We don't start over spiritually with every life. We continue to learn and grow between lives as well. We are productively active between lives in a natural way for us, just as during life. Our souls are in a continuum, always improving and increasing in every way- knowledge, experience, ability, intelligence. When we come back to Earth again, we bring all our gains back with us. This is what evolves our species spiritually. Our human spirituality transfers our contribution to physical life just by living it.

It is normal for people to live a number of lives in their own race, with their own families. Our spirits have a line of ancestry just as our bodies do. Our spirits have abilities and "make-up" as unique to our own races as our bodies are. Our spirits are "born" at the evolutional point of our race, just as our bodies are.

It is not common for a spirit of one race on one world to then reincarnate into another race on another world. When this happens, that person (spirit) has chosen to work between the worlds. This is how some people on Earth are directly related to beings of other races. Also the offspring of these people on Earth are related to alien life and inherit the relationship and the opportunity of contact.

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Op vrijdag 8 oktober 2004 23:42 schreef Bucc4n33R het volgende:

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You sure?

Hai, Bucc4n33R

Yes, I am absolutely sure I don't want to argue with your opinions. That would be a debate and I just don't have the time or energy for that kind of exchange. I am very happy to answer your questions about what I know from my own experience. I fully respect your disagreement and disbelief. I just don't want to argue.

I probably missed some of your questions and I apologize. I didn't mean to ignore you but I think I answered most of them either directly or in other ways. If you really want to hear something specific that I have to say about something else, could you please reask, a little at a time? My computer time is not unlimited and I was a little overwhelmed by the labor of your responses before.

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Op zaterdag 9 oktober 2004 00:00 schreef EarthSister het volgende:

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Hai, Bucc4n33R

Yes, I am absolutely sure I don't want to argue with your opinions. That would be a debate and I just don't have the time or energy for that kind of exchange. I am very happy to answer your questions about what I know from my own experience. I fully respect your disagreement and disbelief. I just don't want to argue.

I probably missed some of your questions and I apologize. I didn't mean to ignore you but I think I answered most of them either directly or in other ways. If you really want to hear something specific that I have to say about something else, could you please reask, a little at a time? My computer time is not unlimited and I was a little overwhelmed by the labor of your responses before.

Well, you said I raised some good points. And that you would address them later. By all means, be my guest.

Bucc4n33R

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Nobody can tell for sure whether somebody has seen Elvis either, Or if little goblins really do exist. If you are willing to believe that then indeed, nobody will stop you but you won't be able to engage yourself in a serious discussion either.

If you do not know anything about alien life, then Elvis being alive and goblins are the same to you "in your mind" as alien life. And you are right, if you believe in anything outside of what society accepts, you will not be taken seriously. This makes you and your opinion completely defenseless against the manipulation by authorities. I offer you another perspective to learn the dynamics of this predicament for yourself.

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EarthSister told us in one of her first posts that she is honest and willing to educated us. Education is transferring verifiable knowledge. Well, I like to be educated.

I don't know everything about all of this. Education is not always verifiable. If you do not accept the possibility that my experiences are real, that does not make them then become unreal, except to you.

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It is not a matter choice. Not a matter of "wanting" to believe or not. I don't know about you but if I enter a (semi) scientific discussion, faith should only play a marginal part. In this case it is up to a 100% faith.

Let me make it clear: "I am not asking you to believe me." I will make it even more clear with full respect to your position: "Please do not believe me."

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I wouldn't make a whole lot of fuss about it if it wasn't for EarthSisters rather bold claims.

Why make a fuss at all? Nobody is being taken advantage of here. If I was not sure of my claims, I would not be so bold. I would have no reason or purpose to be so bold.

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Take this little gem for instance. EarthSister wrote;
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No other bases , all bases are military , (four corners meeting points? WRONG!!! )
(The underground building at four corners is not a base, but a storage facility and meeting ground that belongs only to the aliens races. Our military knows what the place is, and they are set up there to watch, and to cause the area to look like a human military base. All actual military bases on Earth above and below ground are human- owned and operated. That is my clear understanding which I will stick by. If I find I am mistaken in what I have been told and taught about it, I will tell you. I am not offended or defensive against your difference of knowledge or opinion
This is an example, and only one of many in which she claims to know about because the aliens have told her. In this case the real purpose of a military facility. Now I don't really care if it is in fact some Allen meeting point, the secret tomb of Jimmy Hoffa or a modern doctor Frankensteins laboratory. Like I said. We don't have proof, she is not telling and thus it can be anything.

"To you" "in your own mind" it can be anything. Not to me. What is in your mind does not determine the reality or nature of something at some proximity outside of your mind. The place is what it is. I only know a little bit about it, not everything, but it is from my personal experience.

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However, and this is the tricky part, she also makes claims about our military. Indirectly she indicates that our military (or some countries military for that matter) is some sort of entity of its own that is placed outside the so called real world. They (the military) know stuff that we, the peasants are not allowed to know about.

This is true and I think you clearly know that. But it is not a whole government that is secret. The secret parts of the government(s) are secret even from the common government, and that is what's tricky. The military follows government orders and is part of government, if I understand it right. I don't see any distinct difference between a government and its military.

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They even help the aliens to hide themselves. ( It also indicates that our military is to some extent controlled by the aliens. I point I will not discuss in this post any further because that would make me side track too much. More on that later)

You are putting too many extra ideas and words under my fingernails, beyond your personal perspective too, I believe. Both the US govt and the aliens are "hiding" the aliens, but for opposite reasons. The Dulce facility is not open to military. The alien races have it well protected from military.

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This has serious implications because she also wrote this:
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...Only the aliens control the evidence of themselves and they do not give it to individual humans to bear the burden of.
So, in this case "the military" knows about an alien storage facility. That is tangible proof. One could go in there and see what those aliens are storing. There must be some contact between "the military" and the aliens.

Nobody can go in there who is not invited and escorted by alien life. The military is set up around it to make it look to you like the place is their own.

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This has the following consequences:

1) The aliens DO NOT control the evidence all by themselves but have humans aiding them.

The aliens show and place evidence of themselves. Once it's here, Earth authorities manipulate it for the demise of your opinion.

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2) Some humans (individuals) DO bear the burden of evidence.

It is true at least in some ways, some individual humans help handle evidence of alien life. However, this makes alien contactees into targets. So unless it is part of their job to be a target, they do not have evidence handed to them by the aliens. As a public speaker, it is important that I have no evidence so I can do what I do. Look what happens to the top scientists and researchers who have worked on solving the mysteries of crop formations, and those who go public with video evidence of alien crafts. If they refuse to be bought, they and their families are harassed and worse until they debunk their own work and go away.

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3) Aliens do not control who knows about them and how much. Since recruiting officers are the ones who are picking the people to join the military, the aliens are not in full control who are near their alleged facilities and thus DO NOT even control WHO will bear that burden of evidence.

The alien races have very good control over who "knows" about them personally. Many know "of" them but that is not the same thing. Many people find out from other people and that is only beneficial to the aliens and the people. Very few in the military is privy to govt secrets, especially the most dire secrets including about what they know about our visiting races. Our govts do not know much at all about the races themselves, but they know a great deal about the visitation of the alien races. The govts only know personally about the aliens what the aliens decide to tell them.

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4) The military is some sovereign entity, placed outside the world we all know.

Some of the military is. I wonder if you have a personal reason not to believe that or to try to prevent others from realizing it? Perhaps you have your own investment of belief in something about the ufo field or the alien races?

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These are just a few implications I picked out of just two of her posts.

I don't want to be an ass. I am questioning her statements not because I don't want to believe or because I can't fathom anything that isn't tangible. I am questioning her statements because I am curious and very much interested in this matter. Not questioning her statements would be rude because than I wouldn't take her seriously.

I am not implying, I am telling, and I am telling without any expectation of belief or faith. You should ~never~ believe something just because you hear it. I am independent. I write all my own material which is all directly from my own experiences. Whatever you can get out of it, take it and think whatever is natural to you. I don't want anything for it. I certainly don't want a hassle. Your aggressive demeanor would be better served to a larger organized body of professionals such as The Disclosure Project. Your gripe is founded, but I am not the one you should have any gripe with.

If you are interested in what I say, listen. If you are against me for sharing my own experiences and what I am learning, just don't listen. There is no argument needed, and no need to exaggerate my words back to me. Please be careful when you quote me, because it takes up an awful lot of my time to have to defend myself about things I did not exactly say, and about things you might imagine I meant.

I think if you are so interested in the subject, you would help encourage other people to explore ideas and opinions as well. There is no reason for you to warn others against me. I am not any threat. Perhaps you fear that I must have some ulterior motive that will eventually be revealed sometime down the road? If so, I can only show you that I don't. And I assure you that nobody is being hurt by the exchange of information and ideas here. I don't want anything except to make myself available to answer the questions that I can, and of course to learn some things from others here too. I very much enjoy the people here and I don't want to be put so on the defensive.

I sincerely appreciate and respect your position. Please appreciate and respect mine.

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Op donderdag 7 oktober 2004 23:53 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
Iplover

I too notice that sometimes "coincidences" are what we see of it when somebody up there is helping us take care of things.

God bless your family.

Thank you so much Nancy!!! It's weird, I didn't have a bad feeling about it these last days. I don't feel sad or anything. But I know I'll get very sad at the funeral, I always get very sad at funerals. That's when I realize the person is gone, but before and after that I really don't have the feeling their really gone. I still haven't got the feeling my grandfather is gone, though he died 4 years ago. After her death I had the strong feeling we had to go on with our lives, I had the strong feeling she wanted that. Yesterday, a day after her death I had a schoolparty and I went there. I think I did good by going there, cause a band I liked was playing there and now I'm completely fan and I feel better and happier than ever!!!

Iplover

Thank you for telling me that. I understand you better now. Stay strong. Parting with loved ones is always very sad. But I believe you are right, that they are never really gone.

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Op zaterdag 9 oktober 2004 17:05 schreef lplover het volgende:

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Thank you so much Nancy!!! It's weird, I didn't have a bad feeling about it these last days. I don't feel sad or anything. But I know I'll get very sad at the funeral, I always get very sad at funerals. That's when I realize the person is gone, but before and after that I really don't have the feeling their really gone. I still haven't got the feeling my grandfather is gone, though he died 4 years ago. After her death I had the strong feeling we had to go on with our lives, I had the strong feeling she wanted that. Yesterday, a day after her death I had a schoolparty and I went there. I think I did good by going there, cause a band I liked was playing there and now I'm completely fan and I feel better and happier than ever!!!

This thread turns more and more in to a personal problem of your live, handle ur bizz but stop going offtopic plz, or get a shrink

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Op zondag 10 oktober 2004 14:17 schreef 2NutZ het volgende:

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This thread turns more and more in to a personal problem of your live, handle ur bizz but stop going offtopic plz, or get a shrink

I'm so so so very sorry!!! This was totally not my meaning, it just happens to me every time. Guess I should leave now, nice to have met you Nancy and everyone, I've learned a lot, but it was not meant to be. Oh, and yes I already have a schrink, thank you.
Bye everyone!!! *cries and leaves thread*

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Op zondag 10 oktober 2004 16:24 schreef lplover het volgende:

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I'm so so so very sorry!!! This was totally not my meaning, it just happens to me every time. Guess I should leave now, nice to have met you Nancy and everyone, I've learned a lot, but it was not meant to be. Oh, and yes I already have a schrink, thank you.
Bye everyone!!! *cries and leaves thread*

Please stay, Iplover. If ES's responses made you feel better, than it is a good thing. But from now on, it's better to stick to the point.

In general, this thread misses the discussion. Maybe we could change the topic title to "An Interview With EarthSister".