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bron: New Scientist
In February 2003, astronomers involved in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) pointed the massive radio telescope in Arecibo, Puerto Rico, at around 200 sections of the sky.

The same telescope had previously detected unexplained radio signals at least twice from each of these regions, and the astronomers were trying to reconfirm the findings. The team has now finished analysing the data, and all the signals seem to have disappeared. Except one, which has got stronger.

This radio signal, now seen on three separate occasions, is an enigma. It could be generated by a previously unknown astronomical phenomenon. Or it could be something much more mundane, maybe an artefact of the telescope itself.

But it also happens to be the best candidate yet for a contact by intelligent aliens in the nearly six-year history of the SETI@home project, which uses programs running as screensavers on millions of personal computers worldwide to sift through signals picked up by the Arecibo telescope.


Absorb and emit


“It’s the most interesting signal from SETI@home,” says Dan Werthimer, a radio astronomer at the University of California, Berkeley (UCB) and the chief scientist for SETI@home. “We’re not jumping up and down, but we are continuing to observe it.”

Named SHGb02+14a, the signal has a frequency of about 1420 megahertz. This happens to be one of the main frequencies at which hydrogen, the most common element in the universe, readily absorbs and emits energy.

Some astronomers have argued that extraterrestrials trying to advertise their presence would be likely to transmit at this frequency, and SETI researchers conventionally scan this part of the radio spectrum.

SHGb02+14a seems to be coming from a point between the constellations Pisces and Aries, where there is no obvious star or planetary system within 1000 light years. And the transmission is very weak.

“We are looking for something that screams out ‘artificial’,” says UCB researcher Eric Korpela, who completed the analysis of the signal in April. “This just doesn’t do that, but it could be because it is distant.”


Unknown signature


The telescope has only observed the signal for about a minute in total, which is not long enough for astronomers to analyse it thoroughly. But, Korpela thinks it unlikely SHGb02+14a is the result of any obvious radio interference or noise, and it does not bear the signature of any known astronomical object.

That does not mean that only aliens could have produced it. “It may be a natural phenomenon of a previously undreamed-of kind like I stumbled over,” says Jocelyn Bell Burnell of the University of Bath, UK.

It was Bell Burnell who in 1967 noticed a pulsed radio signal which the research team at the time thought was from extraterrestrials but which turned out to be the first ever sighting of a pulsar.

There are other oddities. For instance, the signal’s frequency is drifting by between eight to 37 hertz per second. “The signal is moving rapidly in frequency and you would expect that to happen if you are looking at a transmitter on a planet that’s rotating very rapidly and where the civilisation is not correcting the transmission for the motion of the planet,” Korpela says.

This does not, however, convince Paul Horowitz, a Harvard University astronomer who looks for alien signals using optical telescopes. He points out that the SETI@home software corrects for any drift in frequency.


Fishy and puzzling


The fact that the signal continues to drift after this correction is “fishy”, he says. “If [the aliens] are so smart, they’ll adjust their signal for their planet’s motion.”

The relatively rapid drift of the signal is also puzzling for other reasons. A planet would have to be rotating nearly 40 times faster than Earth to have produced the observed drift; a transmitter on Earth would produce a signal with a drift of about 1.5 hertz per second.

What is more, if telescopes are observing a signal that is drifting in frequency, then each time they look for it they should most likely encounter it at a slightly different frequency. But in the case of SHGb02+14a, every observation has first been made at 1420 megahertz, before it starts drifting. “It just boggles my mind,” Korpela says.

The signal could be an artefact that, for some reason, always appears to be coming from the same point in the sky. The Arecibo telescope has a fixed dish reflector and scans the skies by changing the position of its receiver relative to the dish.

When the receiver reaches a certain position, it might just be able to reflect waves from the ground onto the dish and then back to itself, making it seem as if the signal was coming from space.

“Perhaps there is an object on the ground near the telescope emitting at about this frequency,” Korpela says. This could be confirmed by using a different telescope to listen for SHGb02+14a.


Possible fraud


There is also the possibility of fraud by someone hacking the SETI@home software to make it return evidence for an extraterrestrial transmission. However, SHGb02+14a was seen on two different occasions by different SETI@home users, and those calculations were confirmed by others.

Then the signal was seen a third time by the SETI@home researchers. The unusual characteristics of the signal also make it unlikely that someone is playing a prank, Korpela says. “As I can’t think of any way to make a signal like this, I can’t think of any way to fake it.”

David Anderson, director of SETI@home, remains sceptical but curious about the signal. ”It’s unlikely to be real but we will definitely be re-observing it.” Bell Burnell agrees that it is worth persisting with. “If they can see it four, five or six times it really begins to get exciting,” she says.

It is already exciting for IT engineers Oliver Voelker of Logpoint in Nuremberg, Germany and Nate Collins of Farin and Associates in Madison, Wisconsin, who found the signal.

Collins wonders how his bosses will react to company computers finding aliens. “I might have to explain a little further about just how much I was using [the computers],” he says.
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Dit is dus echt niet te lezen he?
Out of my mind, back in five minutes
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quote:
For instance, the signal's frequency is drifting by between eight to 37 hertz per second.
Galantly he chickened out...
The tale of Sir Robin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8
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komt me bekent voor ... een signaal horen en dan niet meer.
Dat was ook met het ...WOW!... signaal.
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  donderdag 2 september 2004 @ 23:20:02 #6
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Is that a gun in your pocket?
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quote:
Op donderdag 2 september 2004 20:47 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

[..]

eehm, fase verschuiving van x herz per seconde. Dus als een 10 hz na 10s 20 hz is 10 hz per seconde.
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Die doen toch met tig computers over de hele wereld die signalen ontcijferen he, dat SETI.
Op zich wel leuk, mijn pc staat toch dag en nacht aan, maar word zoiets vergelijkbaars niet gedaan met een of ander ander onderzoek ofzo. Iets dat misschien in mijn ogen wat zinnniger is zegmaar

IEmand?
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copy-paste dit es in je originele bericht, dan zullen meer mensen het lezen


bron: New Scientist
In February 2003, astronomers involved in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) pointed the massive radio telescope in Arecibo, Puerto Rico, at around 200 sections of the sky.

The same telescope had previously detected unexplained radio signals at least twice from each of these regions, and the astronomers were trying to reconfirm the findings. The team has now finished analysing the data, and all the signals seem to have disappeared. Except one, which has got stronger.

This radio signal, now seen on three separate occasions, is an enigma. It could be generated by a previously unknown astronomical phenomenon. Or it could be something much more mundane, maybe an artefact of the telescope itself.

But it also happens to be the best candidate yet for a contact by intelligent aliens in the nearly six-year history of the SETI@home project, which uses programs running as screensavers on millions of personal computers worldwide to sift through signals picked up by the Arecibo telescope.


Absorb and emit


"It's the most interesting signal from SETI@home," says Dan Werthimer, a radio astronomer at the University of California, Berkeley (UCB) and the chief scientist for SETI@home.
"We're not jumping up and down, but we are continuing to observe it".

Named SHGb02+14a, the signal has a frequency of about 1420 megahertz. This happens to be one of the main frequencies at which hydrogen, the most common element in the universe, readily absorbs and emits energy.

Some astronomers have argued that extraterrestrials trying to advertise their presence would be likely to transmit at this frequency, and SETI researchers conventionally scan this part of the radio spectrum.

SHGb02+14a seems to be coming from a point between the constellations Pisces and Aries, where there is no obvious star or planetary system within 1000 light years. And the transmission is very weak.

"We are looking for something that screams out 'artificial' "; says UCB researcher Eric Korpela, who completed the analysis of the signal in April. "This just doesn't do that, but it could be because it is distant".


Unknown signature


The telescope has only observed the signal for about a minute in total, which is not long enough for astronomers to analyse it thoroughly. But, Korpela thinks it unlikely SHGb02+14a is the result of any obvious radio interference or noise, and it does not bear the signature of any known astronomical object.

That does not mean that only aliens could have produced it. "It may be a natural phenomenon of a previously undreamed-of kind like I stumbled over" says Jocelyn Bell Burnell of the University of Bath, UK.

It was Bell Burnell who in 1967 noticed a pulsed radio signal which the research team at the time thought was from extraterrestrials but which turned out to be the first ever sighting of a pulsar.

There are other oddities. For instance, the signal's frequency is drifting by between eight to 37 hertz per second. "The signal is moving rapidly in frequency and you would expect that to happen if you are looking at a transmitter on a planet that's rotating very rapidly and where the civilisation is not correcting the transmission for the motion of the planet" Korpela says.

This does not, however, convince Paul Horowitz, a Harvard University astronomer who looks for alien signals using optical telescopes. He points out that the SETI@home software corrects for any drift in frequency.


Fishy and puzzling


The fact that the signal continues to drift after this correction is "fishy", he says. "If [the aliens] are so smart, they'll adjust their signal for their planet's motion."

The relatively rapid drift of the signal is also puzzling for other reasons. A planet would have to be rotating nearly 40 times faster than Earth to have produced the observed drift; a transmitter on Earth would produce a signal with a drift of about 1.5 hertz per second.

What is more, if telescopes are observing a signal that is drifting in frequency, then each time they look for it they should most likely encounter it at a slightly different frequency. But in the case of SHGb02+14a, every observation has first been made at 1420 megahertz, before it starts drifting. "It just boggles my mind" Korpela says.

The signal could be an artefact that, for some reason, always appears to be coming from the same point in the sky. The Arecibo telescope has a fixed dish reflector and scans the skies by changing the position of its receiver relative to the dish.

When the receiver reaches a certain position, it might just be able to reflect waves from the ground onto the dish and then back to itself, making it seem as if the signal was coming from space.

"Perhaps there is an object on the ground near the telescope emitting at about this frequency" Korpela says. This could be confirmed by using a different telescope to listen for SHGb02+14a.


Possible fraud


There is also the possibility of fraud by someone hacking the SETI@home software to make it return evidence for an extraterrestrial transmission. However, SHGb02+14a was seen on two different occasions by different SETI@home users, and those calculations were confirmed by others.

Then the signal was seen a third time by the SETI@home researchers. The unusual characteristics of the signal also make it unlikely that someone is playing a prank, Korpela says. "As I can't think of any way to make a signal like this, I can't think of any way to fake it"

David Anderson, director of SETI@home, remains sceptical but curious about the signal. "It's unlikely to be real but we will definitely be re-observing it". Bell Burnell agrees that it is worth persisting with. "If they can see it four, five or six times it really begins to get exciting" she says.

It is already exciting for IT engineers Oliver Voelker of Logpoint in Nuremberg, Germany and Nate Collins of Farin and Associates in Madison, Wisconsin, who found the signal.

Collins wonders how his bosses will react to company computers finding aliens. "I might have to explain a little further about just how much I was using [the computers]" he says.
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Dat is al beter, maar ik snap die copy&paste akties sowieso niet. We kunnen zelf ook surfen, beste plakkerd.
  vrijdag 3 september 2004 @ 11:47:39 #10
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quote:
Op donderdag 2 september 2004 23:26 schreef -Xerxes- het volgende:
Die doen toch met tig computers over de hele wereld die signalen ontcijferen he, dat SETI.
Op zich wel leuk, mijn pc staat toch dag en nacht aan, maar word zoiets vergelijkbaars niet gedaan met een of ander ander onderzoek ofzo. Iets dat misschien in mijn ogen wat zinnniger is zegmaar

IEmand?
Ja bv onderzoek naar kanker kent ook van die distibuted projecten.

Ik heb op een of andere manier altijd het idee dat Seti dit doet om reclame te maken. Zo van "hej we vonden iets raars. Doetus op onze site komen". Volgens heb ik ooit ergens op hun eigen website gelezen dat de kans wel erg klein was dat ze iets vonden.
Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2006 14:56 schreef Friek_ het volgende:
Nu kon ik het niet laten om even snel op je Fotoboek te kijken en ik zag wat ik al dacht: een onzeker beta-studentje.
  vrijdag 3 september 2004 @ 12:03:08 #11
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laat een bericht achter na de
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of onderzoek naar evolutie

ze hebben al 4 miljoen users (maar niet allemaal actief) , voor de reclame hoeven ze het niet te doen
verder als de kans klein is dat ze iets vinden en ze vinden iets dan is dat toch aardig grappig

overigens ze hadden al eerder een lijstje aan interessante plekken gemaakt, maar dan moet dus eerst weer die radiotelescoop er op mikken voordat ze er weer onderzoek naar kunnen doen he
dat schijnt een beetje het dilemma te zijn

verder ben ik iig blij met mijn 2500 results certificate
(oh en dat ik het met 1 compu doe)
Leesen verrry carefully, I weel zay zis only once
Ill quit thinking w my dick when u quit fucking with my head
  vrijdag 3 september 2004 @ 13:41:26 #12
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the truth shall set you free
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zucht... het was niets,
het was slechts een mediahype en er was niets vreemds aan het signaal. Waterstof, dat veel voorkomt in het heelal, kan ook radiogolven produceren met de opgevangen frequentie. Contact met ET zit er dus voorlopig niet in aldus http://www.tweakers.net/nieuws/34119
  vrijdag 3 september 2004 @ 13:44:10 #13
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quote:
Op vrijdag 3 september 2004 13:41 schreef CrackerJack het volgende:
zucht... het was niets,
het was slechts een mediahype en er was niets vreemds aan het signaal. Waterstof, dat veel voorkomt in het heelal, kan ook radiogolven produceren met de opgevangen frequentie. Contact met ET zit er dus voorlopig niet in aldus http://www.tweakers.net/nieuws/34119
was zoiets niet als eens een keer eerder geweest
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  vrijdag 3 september 2004 @ 13:45:24 #14
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quote:
Op vrijdag 3 september 2004 13:44 schreef RIQY het volgende:

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was zoiets niet als eens een keer eerder geweest
Dat weet ik niet
  vrijdag 3 september 2004 @ 13:54:45 #15
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lol dat stond toch ook al in de OP dat het vanaf waterstof kwam
alleen dat het die drift had van 37 hz/s na correctie was appart, en is het nog steeds toch ?
verder was er al grote zekerheid dat het iets was, maar niet een signaal dat duidelijk zegt , hello we're here
Leesen verrry carefully, I weel zay zis only once
Ill quit thinking w my dick when u quit fucking with my head
  vrijdag 3 september 2004 @ 14:02:20 #16
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the truth shall set you free
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ah, die plakboel had ik niet gelezen, ik wou alleen wat meer info geven nadat ik gisteren dit al gepost had in dat topic over dat congres, sorry.
  vrijdag 3 september 2004 @ 14:11:11 #17
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geeft niet
maar dat tweakers het onzin vind is niet bepaald info
Leesen verrry carefully, I weel zay zis only once
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News earlier this week that The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence group, SETI, had found a signal from ET appears to have been over blown. Described by SETI's chief Scientist, Dr Wertheimer, as "hype and noise", he went on to say that it was "nothing that is unusual. It's all out of proportion."

SETI takes data from it's Arecibo Aerial Telescope and distributes it to its thousands of users world wide for analysis. The chunk that set off last Thursday's media frenzy is called SHGb02+14a and was found by computers running the SETI program in Germany and the US. In its 6 years of operation, SETI have found 150 chunks that are potentially signals from ET; these 150 are found by statistical techniques performed on the data, which ascertains the likelihood of it being legitimate. Of the 150, so far 0 have been real.

SETI commented that "With Seti@home having analysed some 50 trillion frequency bands, it is not surprising that a signal like this occurs purely due to chance." Looks like we'll see a 40th edition of ET before ET really does phone home.

bron: http://www.neowin.net
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