Centraal: Eminem pt.2

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Centraal: Eminem topic (deeltje 1)
hier nu deel 2

Recente ontwikkelingen:

-release DJ Greenlantern: Invasion III ( DJ Green Lantern - Invasion pt.3: CTA )

-ontwikkeling D-12 Album ( D12 - Devil's Night 2: Halloween )

-Racistische aantijgingen weggevaagd

-Nieuwe album in zomer '04

-Vorige topic: werd afgesloten met gezeur over underground muziek contra. Eminem-muziek... mensen die niet van Eminem-muziek houden en liever luisteren naar in hun ogen "echte" artiesten die nooit in de publiciteit komen (goh, hoe zou dat nou komen) blijf weg uit dit topic s.v.p.

here's what he wrote to the editor of the Source magazine
Kim Osario-

I don't know where to begin... to sum it up, this article is partly good, but the longer I think about it, it's mostly bad. You were concerned as to whether or not I feel you're article to be unbiased. Well, thank you for not portraying ME in a bad light but as far as maintaining an unbiased stance, you certainly failed. As a matter of fact, I am forced at this point to recognize that there are obviously some ulterior motives/personal hang-ups/political/racial agendas going on behind the scenes at The Source and this is making it impossible for you to present the issue of these tapes in a true light that would give a full spectrum of perspective. I am presenting a solution to this problem:

I will write a 'letter to the editor' which you will agree to print in the next issue of The Source which will present the most vital facts surrounding the issue of these tapes. I will do this as to give you an opportunity to present the WHOLE truth of the story BEFORE I go to other, larger publications and media sources, some of which, are bound to print the WHOLE truth. If you agree to print my 'letter to the editor' and I am satisfied with the way you print it (in other words, unedited) then I agree NOT to go to other publications with the truth. Let's review these facts I'm talking about and I'm sure you will agree that the most vital part of what I said was left out and how this could possibly damage the Source's credibility as being an unbiased, fair and accurate source of information:

1: Most importantly: YOU DID NOT GIVE THE BACKGROUND OF THE TAPE. Here are the facts which I specifically remember telling you REPEATEDLY in the interview as being the MOST IMPORTANT FACTS and REASON WHY I did the interview in the first place: 1) these songs were NOT WRITTEN - They were FREESTYLES. 2) This freestyle is one of the HUNDREDS OF FREESTYLES we did over the years. 3) The NAME of these freestyle sessions we called: SUCKERIN' RHYMES. 4) The WHOLE PURPOSE of Suckerin' Rhymes was to be as goofy/stupid/ignorant/wack
as possible - to be a 'sucker M.C.' - hence the title: SUCKERIN' RHYMES. 5) The REASON WHY we did these freestyle sessions was so we could 1: TO HAVE A FUN TIME 2: TO LISTEN TO THE RECORDINGS AFTER WE WERE FINISHED AND LAUGH AT OURSELVES 3: TO WARM UP AND GET READY TO HAVE A REAL RECORDING SESSION WITH SONGS WE ACTUALLY HAD WRITTEN AND INTENDED TO RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC.

As you can see, if you were to present the tapes in THIS LIGHT, THE WAY I INTENDED IT TO BE, people would have a much more accurate and broader perspective by which to judge for themselves the motives and sentiments of Marshall Mathers when he recorded these songs. Here are some other CRUCIAL FACTS you left out:

2) Based on the above information, it is my BEST OPINION THAT MARSHALL MATHERS IS NOT A RACIST. ALTHOUGH THE SONGS WERE IN BAD TASTE, THEY WERE NOT INTENDED TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY OR EVEN HEARD AND DO NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE SENTIMENTS OF EMINEM.

3) Although you did mention that it was a 'joke', without the above information, this does nothing to put things in their proper perspective. Everone knows that someone can tell a racist joke and most likely the reason they're telling it in the first place is because they are racist!! BUT - when you take ALL of the information into consideration - the fact that these were: SUCKERIN' RHYMES AND THE PURPOSE WAS TO REPRESENT WACKNESS and my personal testimony that WE WERE THE VICTIMS OF BEING CALLED RACIST NAMES - '******', ETC.. FOR BEING INVOLVED IN HIP-HOP MUSIC BY IGNORANT-ASS WHITE PEOPLE AROUND US AND THAT THESE RECORDINGS IN MY OPINION WERE REPRESENTING THAT IGNORANT MENTALITY FROM A FIRST PERSON POINT OF VIEW BUT WAS SARCASTIC - NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY AS THE OPINIONS OF MARSHALL MATHERS, it puts things in a much different perspective. Example: an actor can play a racist character in a movie about, say, the horrors of the Klan, but in real life that does not make him a racist. In fact, the reason WHY he probably did the movie in the first place is because he hated racism and wanted to expose the inhumanity and devastating effects of racist behavior!!

4) As we know however, these songs were freestyles, not written and did not have that kind of serious intention behind them as they were never meant to be heard in the first place. So, based on the above information, it is my BEST CONCLUSION THAT THESE SONGS WERE DONE OUT OF ANGER FROM EXPERIENCING WHITE RACISM AND UNDERSTANDING HOW IRRATIONAL, IGNORANT AND WACK IT IS AND SPEWING SOME OF THE VENOM BACK HE'S HEARD OVER THE YEARS - SOME OF IT DIRECTED AT HIM - ONTO THE MICROPHONE.

Another point I made in my interview which you neglected to report is:

5) In my personal experience with Marshall, during the time these recordings were made, HE NEVER USED THE WORD '******' OR ANY OTHER DEROGATORY NAMES OR MADE ANY DEROGATORY REMARKS ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN CASUAL CONVERSATION WITH ME. In fact, we personally had conversations talking about how we hated racism and racists and both had REAL songs denouncing racism!!

Now, regarding some of the other 'facts' you got wrong:

6) Marshall did not move to Warren in his early teens. He lived in the city of Detroit. The Northeast side between 7 and 8 mile which is still predominantly black. He never lived in Warren. He would, however, frequently get kicked out by his crazy mom and would sometimes spend a few nights at a time in Warren between 8 and 9 mile at Manix and Buttafingaz' house. His girlfriend also lived in that area, so I assume he would spend some nights over there as well. However, most of the time his girlfriend would spend the night at HIS house in Detroit where he had his own room. He first went to a Detroit High School where he had some problems so for awhile he went to Lincoln High School between 8 and 9 mile in Warren. He did this by giving the school a false address within the school district. This is where he met Manix and D.J. Buttafingaz who were also attending Lincoln at the time. After awhile Lincoln High School found out that he wasn't a Warren resident however and he had to go back to Detroit schools where he attended once again for a period of time before being kicked out or dropping out (I don't remember which). All the music was recorded in Warren during this time over at Manix and Butta's house but Marshall DID live in Detroit.

7) MARSHALL DID NOT FORM BASSMINT PRODUCTIONS. IT WAS MANIX WHO CAME UP WITH THE NAME AND HE IS THE MAIN FOUNDER.

8) Going back to the tapes, I think it is important also to mention that THE FIRST VERSE OF 'FOOLISH PRIDE' IS ABOUT RACIAL UNITY!! Neglecting to report this fact is very shameful and again, shows a biased ulterior motive in presenting the story. You are not presenting the whole truth.

9) OK, as I'm looking at the article here, you did mention that they were freestyles, but without giving the history of the SUCKERIN' RHYME, this does nothing to put things in their proper perspective.

10) Some of the 'quotes' you used of mine seem pieced together. If it's not a direct quote from beginning to end, you should make your readers aware of that.

Overall, as I have said, a much better job could have been done. I don't know what kind of internal politics is going on at The Source which is forcing you to present things in this manner. However, as I have said, I will give you the opportunity to correct things. I would like to write a 'letter to the editor' which you will agree to print in the next issue of The Source clearing things up. If you do not agree to print it, I will be forced out of concern for THE TRUTH to go to other mainstream publications. I will also be forced to site as one of my reasons for going to them the irresponsible fashion in which The Source has 'reported' the issue. This is not a threat. This is the inevitable, natural consequence of irresponsible journalism. If you wish to correct the situation, please let me know within the week so I can make a responsible decision regarding my next course of action.

peAce, anarchy, equality, justice -
snAfu
aka
chAos Kid.

1. Eminem
Title To Be Determined
Label Shady/Aftermath/Interscope
Album # Fourth
Quarter Third
Began Recording 2003
Beats Em himself ("We As Americans," "Bully" and "Love You More") and Dr. Dre
Features G-Unit and D12
First Single TBD

FYI By fourth quarter 2003, Eminem's next album was about halfway completed. But since then, the majority of his pre-produced work has been leaked and bootlegged, setting the Multi-Million-Record Man back in his schedule. "I was about six to eight songs deep," he says. "Now I'm about three to four. It's so painful to have them things go; it's all a work in progress. Choruses can be changed, lines can be changed, there are certain lines on the shit that I feel like I can hit better. Those [leaked songs] were a day in the studio, making a song, and you go home at night with it and that's what you live with until you're ready to mix it down. The mix from the rough version is like night and day."

Streets Wanna Know Which Eminem will we see on this next album--the obnoxious, middle-finger-giving Slim Shady we got introduced to on his first two LPs or the slightly more conscious Marshall Mathers heard on The Eminem Show ?

"I really like Slim Shady," says Dr. Dre, executive producer of the album. "I like him talking shit and pissing people off. That's where he's gonna go next, talking shit and raising eyebrows."

"Eminem fans will not be disappointed," says Em's manager, Paul Rosenberg. "He's gonna have a lot of responses to everything that's going on. No stones will be left unturned."

2. Dr. Dre
Title Detox
Label Aftermath/Interscope
Album # FourthQuarter Fourth
Began Recording 2004. "I'm actually just starting," says Dre. "I had a couple of joints. But I've been working with some new artists, so I'm starting over. I just started the other day with Eminem."
Beats Denaun Porter, Nottz, Hi-Tek and of course, Dre himself
Features Eminem, Mary J. Blige, 50 Cent, Eve and The Game
First Single TBD

FYI If you think Dre's royal status in the rap game excuses him from feeling pressure, think again. The good doctor plans for Detox to be nothing short of another stone cold classic. "I wanna put like 12 or 13 songs on my album," he says. "And have 12 or 13 singles. So I'm really taking my time with each one. No album fillers or nothing like that. No fast-forwarding."

Streets Wanna Know Why does Dre take so long to create albums?

"I don't really consider myself an artist," he says. "I'm a producer. So I wanna produce new artists. I took a little break and produced the 50 album, then I did the Obie Trice album and D12. I just like producing, so it takes quite a bit to get me to go in and do something on myself."

3. 50 Cent
Title TBD
Label Shady/Aftermath/Interscope
Album # Second
Quarter Third
Began Recording 2003
Beats Dr. Dre, Eminem and a variety of new producers.
Features Every artist and his mother will be trying to get on 50's sophomore effort, but the only sure-shots for guest spots are Eminem, G-Unit and The Game.
First Single TBD
FYI The fact that Dr. Dre executive-produced Get Rich Or Die Tryin' was a huge selling point, but he actually only produced four of the LP's 21 tracks. This one promises more. "My album will be predominately Dr. Dre-produced," 50 says. "I want this record to go to the next level, and my biggest record ever is clearly 'In Da Club.'"

"I would've done more on the first one," says Dre. "But 50 came to us with a lot of songs that he had recorded before we signed him. Now we'll be starting [from the beginning]."

Streets Wanna Know Can 50 top Get Rich Or Die Tryin' ?

"People need to know that I will top my last album," says 50. "It is possible and I am going to do it. I am definitely not using the same formula for this album that I did on the first. A lot of things that happened to me during Get Rich Or Die Tryin' --all the confusion going on around that time and about me has only made me more aggressive. I'm gonna get all sorts of shit off my chest and make the songs perfect. There will be nothing but the marriage between the perfect beat and lyrics."

... http://xxlmag.com/Features/0204.SetUp/index.html