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Hij is gewoon een viezerik en ik geloof wel dat ie een vieze pedo is. Hij geeft zelf toe dat ie kinderen in z'n bed laat slapen
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A man is the less likely to become great the more he is dominated by reason: few can achive greatness -and none in art-if they are not dominated by illusion.
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Op zaterdag 13 december 2003 17:14 schreef Copycat het volgende:

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Deze week heel veel aan MJ gewijde pagina's in de NE


Leuke covers ook altijd .

Nou ja, in januari zien we wel wat er waar van is .

  zaterdag 13 december 2003 @ 18:50:07 #53
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Op zaterdag 13 december 2003 17:05 schreef Iwan1976 het volgende:
PSYCHIC STALLONE SAYS JACKSON INNOCENT

Volgens mij draagt ie ook een pruik
Onder bepaalde moslims heeft de droom van een triomf van de islam zorgelijke vormen aangenomen. De droom is verworden tot een hysterisch verlangen naar bloedige strijd, een Armageddon, waarin Amerika en Europa het onderspit moeten gaan delven.
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Op zaterdag 13 december 2003 12:32 schreef schatje het volgende:
Michael Jackson zou naaktfoto's van de jongen hebben genomen, en er is een getuige die daadwerkelijk zou hebben gezien dat Jackson seksueel misbruik maakte van de jongen.
Volgens eenzelfde soort blad (volgens Yahoo) zouden er tussen MJ en zijn neefje TJ ook merkwaardige zaken hebben plaatsgevonden.
Vanwaar komen wij dan, dat wij ergens heen willen?
  zaterdag 13 december 2003 @ 23:03:51 #55
16701 scanman01
Today's a good day
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Wat Michael Jackson wel of niet gedaan heeft weet ik niet... wel weet ik dat de dvd "Number Ones" geweldig is. Wat een prachtige clips!
My soul is painted like the wings of butterflies
  zaterdag 13 december 2003 @ 23:11:03 #56
61646 Copycat
I am a trigger hippie
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Op zaterdag 13 december 2003 23:02 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:

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Volgens eenzelfde soort blad (volgens Yahoo) zouden er tussen MJ en zijn neefje TJ ook merkwaardige zaken hebben plaatsgevonden.


Klopt (Star, volgens mij).
Tijdens een fotoshoot voor 3T (T3?) zou MJ zijn oudste T-neefje letterlijk van het hemd gerukt hebben...

Ook moest het neefje op aanwijzen van MJ schijnbaar zijn broek en shorts tot onder schaamhaarniveau laten dalen. De fotograaf (dacht ik)vond het maar een vreemde gang van zaken...


maar of het waar is...

Curiosity cultured the cat
Hoge dames vangen veel wind
Whadda ya hear! Whadda ya say!
What is any ocean but a multitude of drops?
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Op zaterdag 13 december 2003 23:11 schreef Copycat het volgende:

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Klopt (Star, volgens mij).
Tijdens een fotoshoot voor 3T (T3?) zou MJ zijn oudste T-neefje letterlijk van het hemd gerukt hebben...

Ook moest het neefje op aanwijzen van MJ schijnbaar zijn broek en shorts tot onder schaamhaarniveau laten dalen. De fotograaf (dacht ik)vond het maar een vreemde gang van zaken...


maar of het waar is...


3T, zij hadden ook in Nederland een paar hitjes.

Did Michael go too far with his nephews

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Talk about this in the Star's:
Dirty Secrets Forum
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  zaterdag 13 december 2003 @ 23:32:10 #58
61646 Copycat
I am a trigger hippie
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Op zaterdag 13 december 2003 23:25 schreef schatje het volgende:

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3T, zij hadden ook in Nederland een paar hitjes.

Did Michael go too far with his nephews
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Ja, herinner het me. Zo'n open shirtnummer met oom Michael, toch?

Starforum is idd leuk, alleen niet frequent...

Curiosity cultured the cat
Hoge dames vangen veel wind
Whadda ya hear! Whadda ya say!
What is any ocean but a multitude of drops?
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Op zaterdag 13 december 2003 23:25 schreef schatje het volgende:

Did Michael go too far with his nephews


Het bewuste neefje lijkt wat op die Jordy:

Vanwaar komen wij dan, dat wij ergens heen willen?
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Na Jermaine spreekt nu ook de rest van de familie:
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Familie Jackson: "Michael mishandeld"
Volgens zijn familie is Michael Jackson bij zijn recente arrestatie op verdenking van seksueel misbruik van een kind door de politie mishandeld. Woordvoerder Firpo Carr van de Jacskon-familie, die zich ook "spiritueel raadsman" van de superster noemt, zegt dat de advocaten van Michael Jackson bewijzen hebben dat de King of Pop heen en weer is geduwd, tegen een wand is geklemd en in het toilet mondeling beledigd is geworden. Eerder had een broer van Michael, Jermaine, al gezegd dat Wacko Jacko "zwaar is mishandeld".
GvA

[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door Cosma-Shiva op 14-12-2003 03:51]

Vanwaar komen wij dan, dat wij ergens heen willen?
  zondag 14 december 2003 @ 10:21:58 #61
51985 Robert_Jensen
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Op zondag 14 december 2003 03:30 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:
Na Jermaine spreekt nu ook de rest van de familie:
[..]

GvA


Ja MJ vindt het al mishandeling en barst in huilen uit als je 'zitten nu! Goverdomme! tegen em zegt ipv 'wilt uwe heiligheid de king of pop misschien op onze gedesinfecteerde troon plaats nemen als het u belieft'?
Onder bepaalde moslims heeft de droom van een triomf van de islam zorgelijke vormen aangenomen. De droom is verworden tot een hysterisch verlangen naar bloedige strijd, een Armageddon, waarin Amerika en Europa het onderspit moeten gaan delven.
  zondag 14 december 2003 @ 10:36:51 #62
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ik ruik vet lekker
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ik geloof er niks van

die geld wolfen, lijers zijn het

Op zaterdag 10 juni 2023 14:52 schreef GGMM het volgende:
Eigenlijk is elke prijs die in het voetbal gewonnen wordt terug te leiden naar het Ajax-DNA
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Vooraanzicht van het huis van Gavin.

Heel ander optrekje dan dat van 'the entertainer'. Denk nu niet van 'ik ga ff bij Gavin op de koffie', want hij en zijn moeder Janet (nee, geen familie) zitten momenteel ondergedoken op een andere lokatie.

Klik voor meer foto's op de onderstaande link.

BRON: MJONTRIAL

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Grown-up problems knock at Michael Jackson's Neverland
Saturday, December 13, 2003 Posted: 1:35 PM EST (1835 GMT)

LOS OLIVOS, California (AP) -- Stand at the gates of Neverland and it's hard to tell Michael Jackson's property from any of the ranches and wineries stretching up the hills of northern Santa Barbara County -- until you see the handmade signs.

"Michael is the victim," reads one, a few feet from the gate. "100 percent innocent" states another. "We Support Michael."

For 15 years, Neverland has been Jackson's sanctuary from the outside world. It's a fairytale shrine to innocence, where young guests pass the hours listening to music from Disney films, darting from one carnival ride to the next and staring wide-eyed at a menagerie of exotic animals.

But grown-up troubles are knocking on Neverland's door. Jackson's critics see the self-styled King of Pop's home as a secretive compound where he hides from scrutiny and indulges his fixation with children.

At a November 19 news conference where authorities announced an arrest warrant for Jackson, a reporter asked if it was safe for parents to let their children go to Neverland for sleep-overs.

"My advice is don't do it," Santa Barbara County Sheriff Jim Anderson said.

Added District Attorney Thomas Sneddon, "None of our kids are there."

The new allegations revolve around one of the many boys Jackson has welcomed into a bedroom that is the subject of almost as many conflicting stories as Jackson himself. Some say Jackson has a secret room and an alarm outside the bedroom door, but whether they exist depends on who you ask.

Ahmad Elatab, a 17-year-old who visited last year, said everything that happens at Neverland is completely innocent. He describes long days of playing hide-and-seek and other games, and said no section of the massive complex was off-limits.

"I was in awe," said Elatab, of Passaic County, New Jersey. "It was just amazing with all the lights. It was just like heaven for kids. It's made just right for kids. All the rides, all the animals, all the toys, everything.

"We'll go play games, play water balloon fights," said Elatab, who met Jackson through a friend of his father's in the music industry. "He shows us how to dance and sing and stuff like that."

Jackson was booked last month on suspicion of molesting a 12-year-old boy and has denied the accusations. He could face charges from Santa Barbara County authorities this week.

The allegations mark the second time in a decade he has been accused of molestation. Jackson never faced charges for the 1993 accusations, instead settling with the boy's family for a reported $15 million to $20 million.

Jackson paid $14.6 million for the 2,600-acre estate he moved into 15 years ago, when he dominated the musical world.

Besides rides and a zoo, the estate includes two trains, two lakes and a series of buildings. They include the main house, a ranch house, guest cottages and another house for his memorabilia and costumes, according to Robert Wegner, his former security chief.

The ranch is nicknamed for the fairytale land in Jackson's favorite story, Peter Pan, about a boy who wouldn't grow up. Jackson often opens its gates to children, some coming by the busload from area schools. Others come to his attention through charities or hospitals and are invited as a way to raise their spirits.

"He did it to help disadvantaged kids, and also because he wants to recreate his childhood," Elatab said. "It's like he is Peter Pan and we're the lost children. ... Kids that don't have love become messed up in the head, so that's what he's trying to stop."

Jackson's latest troubles began with a documentary that aired on ABC-TV in February, in which he acknowledges sharing his bed with "many children" and acknowledges sleepovers with the boy he is now accused of molesting.

But the documentary's interviews with Jackson also provide insight into Jackson's home life and his love of Peter Pan, who Jackson said "represents youth, childhood, never growing up, magic, flying."

"And to me, I just have never, ever grown out of loving that ..." Jackson tells British journalist Martin Bashir.

When Bashir asks if Jackson identifies with Peter Pan, Jackson replies, "I am Peter Pan."

At one point, Jackson lets Bashir in on what he calls a "big secret" -- a tree overlooking a fountain Jackson calls his "Giving Tree." He says he wrote the songs "Heal the World," "Black or White" and "Childhood" while nestled in its branches.

"I think it's my favorite thing," Jackson tells Bashir. "Having water balloon fights and climbing trees -- I think that those two are my favorite."

As Jackson climbs the tree, Bashir looks skeptical. But other adult visitors to Neverland feel almost as if they're under a spell.

"It was really magic and just a fabulous place, a dreamy place," said Diana D'Alo, a Paris fan who has been to Neverland several times. "It was like a dream come true for me to be there. It's a place where you go and you have fun, and all the cares in the world you leave outside."

But the most dazzled visitors are the children. Wegner said there were three types of children who visited the ranch: the disadvantaged, relatives who live near the ranch and their friends, and a group Wegner calls "Michael's favorites."

Wegner said the third group includes child star Macauley Culkin and the boy who accused Jackson of molestation in 1993 -- the last year Wegner worked for Jackson before he slipped on ice at the ranch and left on disability. Wegner has written a book about his experiences titled "My Three Years Working for Michael Jackson."

He also said Neverland had a board listing sleeping arrangements so Jackson's personal fire department would know where to search in case of a blaze.

"There was always a number plus Michael in his bedroom, mostly all boys," said Wegner, who said he was in Jackson's bedroom twice.

Jackson spokesman Stuart Backerman said Wegner talks about Neverland merely to sell copies of his book.

"Robert Wegner is an opportunist," Backerman said. "He claims certain things that he has no proof of or that he never saw. It's all hearsay and consequently not believable."

The abuse allegations against Jackson have brought disputed reports of a secret room off Jackson's main bedroom.

Elatab said Jackson told him he did have a separate room, and that it was there so he could hide if someone broke into the house.

Also in dispute is whether Jackson has an alarm outside his bedroom door. Former Los Angeles Police Detective William Dworin said he saw such a security system when he searched Neverland to investigate the previous molestation allegations.

"It was a warning system when someone approaches the door of the bedroom. It sets off a musical tone as well as an alarm-type sound in the bedroom," said Dworin, who now works with the Los Angeles city attorney's office on sexual abuse prevention programs.

Wegner, who was at Neverland on the day of the 1993 search, said he recalls no such alarm. In fact, he said, Jackson sometimes expressed almost childlike concerns about his safety, at one point calling security because he heard noises on the roof.

"I said, 'Michael, it's just raccoons. We have raccoons out here,"' he said. "He still wanted somebody to sit there all night."

BRON: CNN

[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door Iwan1976 op 14-12-2003 12:28]

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Op zondag 14 december 2003 11:01 schreef Iwan1976 het volgende:
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Vooraanzicht van het huis van Gavin.

Heel ander optrekje dan dat van 'the entertainer'. Denk nu niet van 'ik ga ff bij Gavin op de koffie', want hij en zijn moeder Janet (nee, geen familie) zitten momenteel ondergedoken op een andere lokatie.


Laat me raden, bedreigingen van Michael fans.
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'Heal the world'
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Op zondag 14 december 2003 03:30 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:
Na Jermaine spreekt nu ook de rest van de familie:
[..]

GvA


Ik hoop dat ze er foto's van hebben gemaakt, anders moeten ze gewoon hun muil dicht houden .

Ik zag Michael Jackson trouwens wel al glimlachend dat gebouw verlaten .

[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door schatje op 14-12-2003 14:42]

  zondag 14 december 2003 @ 14:38:58 #67
61646 Copycat
I am a trigger hippie
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Op zondag 14 december 2003 14:24 schreef schatje het volgende:

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Ik hoop dat ze er foto's van hebben genaakt , anders moeten ze gewoon hun muil dicht houden .



Freudiaanse verspreking?
Curiosity cultured the cat
Hoge dames vangen veel wind
Whadda ya hear! Whadda ya say!
What is any ocean but a multitude of drops?
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Op zondag 14 december 2003 14:38 schreef Copycat het volgende:

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Freudiaanse verspreking?


Het is de schuld van Wacko Jacko .
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We zullen het allemaal wel zien want op dit moment is er nog steeds GEEN officiele aanklacht ingediend...
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Charges Expected Soon in Jacko Case

Sunday, December 14, 2003

NEW YORK - Nearly a month after his arrest, Michael Jackson could be charged this week in a child molestation case in which legal experts say prosecutors will need strong physical evidence to overcome questions about the accuser's credibility.

Law enforcement officials have not discussed their evidence since the pop star turned himself in on Nov. 20 after an arrest warrant was issued in Santa Barbara County.

However, Jim Thomas, a former Santa Barbara County sheriff who has discussed the case with Santa Barbara County District Attorney Thomas Sneddon, expects the charges to allege that Jackson molested one child repeatedly, probably over a period of more than a month.


Thomas Sneddon, 'One More Chance'

"You will see allegations of multiple counts of child molestation on this particular child," Thomas said.

Several details have emerged that raise questions about the credibility of the accuser and his family, including a confidential memo leaked last week that showed Los Angeles County child welfare officials determined in February that there was no basis for allegations that Jackson had molested the boy.

In the memo, Jackson's accuser, his brother and his mother all denied the boy had been molested.

Sneddon said in a statement that he was aware of the memo when he sought the arrest warrant and did not expect it to affect his case.

The child's family also filed a lawsuit in which they alleged they were beaten by mall security guards in 1998, and the mother said she was sexually assaulted during the incident. The family eventually received a $137,500 settlement.

Russell Halpern, an attorney for the accuser's father, has said his client's ex-wife had a "Svengali-like ability" to make her children lie in testimony.

Jackson's defense attorney, Mark Geragos, declined to comment. He has previously said Jackson is innocent.


Michael & Gavin, 'Just Good Friends'

Leonard Levine, a defense attorney who specializes in sexual assault cases, said Sneddon's decision to press ahead suggests the district attorney has strong evidence he has not yet released.

"I would be very surprised if the sole evidence that they had is simply the complaint of the alleged victim," Levine said.

Sneddon declined to comment on the case he is building against Jackson, who owns the 2,600-acre Neverland Ranch in the hills above Santa Barbara.

But Thomas and a Southern California district attorney who is in close contact with Sneddon told The Associated Press the prosecutor is confident he has a strong case.

Orange County District Attorney Tony Rackauckas also believes prosecutors will need physical evidence or an additional witness because of the credibility questions. He said Sneddon seems certain he can prove Jackson guilty.

"He was very confident about the evidence in the case and very confident that he's bringing a proper case, and that it would result in a conviction," said Rackauckas.

Criminal charges are usually announced soon after an arrest, but Sneddon did not immediately file a formal complaint after Jackson's Nov. 20 booking. He said officials needed until this week to set up a Web site they would use to distribute the charging documents to hundreds of news organizations following the case.

BRON: FOXNEWS

  zondag 14 december 2003 @ 23:10:27 #71
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Op vrijdag 12 december 2003 01:25 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:
Op het feit dat Bashir haar zoon zo geėtaleerd had, plus haar zoon ging zich vreemd gedragen (door de pesterijen op school over zijn hand in hand zitten en slapen bij MJ) daarop stuurde ze hem na een therapeut, aan wie Gavin vervolgens het misbruik zou hebben verteld ect.
En juist dat laatste is maar net de vraag. Wie was de eerste die riep dat het misbruik was? Het kind of de therapeut?

Who Cried 'Abuse' First: The Child or the Therapist?

On the MSNBC show Countdown with Keith Olbermann (Dec 11), the infamous Diane Dimond made an appearance (see transcript). In a bewildering admission, Dimond alluded to the fact that it may have been the therapist who came to the conclusion of abuse. She says, In June, after the young boyhad gone through many sessions of therapy, his therapist came to the conclusion that theyhe thought abuse had occurred Under law, therapists are required to report this information to the proper authorities.

If it were the therapistreportedly the exact same therapist involved in the 1993 Jackson casewho cried molestation before or instead of the child, the mother is sitting on top of a goldmine in terms of suing the shrink for malpractice. Celebrity Justice is reporting that the lawyer (Larry Feldman, the same one from 1993 case) and the therapist (reportedly the same one from 1993 case) went to Child Protective Services (CPS) in person to report the child was allegedly abused. According to Celebrity Justice, they were turned away and supposedly CPS refused to take a report.

Striking admissions aside, it is rather odd this allegedly destitute family could afford many sessions of therapy from this extremely high-priced therapist. Most commercially driven media have yet to look into who is paying the bills for these many sessions of therapy along with Feldmans legal bills.

Surprisingly, Fox news reporter Roger Friedman--a regular Jackson basher--claims the family went shrink shopping in his Dec 10 2003 article. Friedman says this shrink shopping happened as early as last winter in 2002. Friedman also reports that his sources tell him, They [the family] went shrink shopping until they found the answer they wanted to hear. Further, his sources also state the family went attorney-shopping, which corroborates earlier reports that the mother sought out and was turned down by at least two civil attorneys as early as late last year and early January of this year before finding their current attorney, Larry Feldman.

And who is Larry Feldman again? The same lawyer who represented the accuser in the 1993 case, and who also recommended the accuser from 1993 see the same shrink who this new accuser saw when he allegedly claimed Jackson abused him. Same attorney, same therapist, similar allegation. Connect the dots.

Zou je als familie niet veel geloofwaardiger overkomen als je niet dezelfde personen (advocaat, therapeut) als in '93 in moet schakelen om je verhaal te ondersteunen?

Galantly he chickened out...
The tale of Sir Robin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8
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Een kritische noot over de rechtsgang in de VS betreffende kindermisbruikzaken:


Prosecutors Will Need No Evidence

The December 14th ABC News Article says, "Experts Say Prosecutors Will Need Strong Evidence." This can not be further from the truth. Everyday in California people are convicted of lewd acts with minors with only the testimony of the child accuser. That is all the prosecution is required to provide to convict anyone of molestation.

I have seen people that have been convicted by the testimony of a teenager who has admitted to lying about being molested before. The credibility of the witness is really not an issue. In today's legal system, people who are accused of child abuse have their rights suspended to satisfy the wining mothers of children who are too lazy to watch their own children.

This is the exact same issue that the South Park Movie tackled, but molestation issues, the consequences are much more serious than a foul mouthed child.

In the current state of affairs, the only thing a single mother has to do to exact revenge from an ex-spouse is to claim he had molested their child. If the child testifies, even poorly, he will certainly go to jail for years.

This happens all the time and it's got to stop. The rights of people accused of molestation can not be sacrificed to maintain an appearance to the public that all is well.

The Michel Jackson Case provides a perfect opportunity to bring this issue to light. As this case goes on the world will see how little evidence the prosecution has, but, they probably will still get a conviction.

BRON: THETRUTHABOUT288A / MJONTRIAL

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Lisa Marie Presley gaat tegen MJ getuigen, zij zou tijdens hun huwelijk een party 'jongeren' porno bij MJ hebben aangetroffen.
Vanwaar komen wij dan, dat wij ergens heen willen?
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Op maandag 15 december 2003 19:05 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:
Lisa Marie Presley gaat tegen MJ getuigen, zij zou tijdens hun huwelijk een party 'jongeren' porno bij MJ hebben aangetroffen.
Bron??
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Op maandag 15 december 2003 19:30 schreef schatje het volgende:

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Bron??


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