[Live] Formula 1 Chinese Grand Prix 2024 #6

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1. Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team (“Aston”) submitted a protest to the Stewards of the 2024 Chinese
Grand Prix.
2. The protest stated, among other things, as follows:
“Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team, by means of this document, formally files a protest against car
number 55 driven by Carlos Sainz of the Scuderia Ferrari Team whilst competing in the 2024
Formula 1 Lenovo Chinese Grand Prix at the Shanghai International Circuit on the 20th Day of April
2024.
Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team claims that the above car is in breach of Article 39.6 of the 2024
Formula One Sporting Regulations due to the fact that Car number 55 clearly stopped on track
causing a red flag which in turn caused the qualifying session to be stopped.”
Admissibility
3. The protest, in writing, together with the protest fee of 2000 euros was paid by Aston within the time
contemplated by the International Sporting Code (ISC).

Facts
4. The following facts are undisputed:
a. Car 55 lost control at Turn 16 and came to a halt after hitting the wall at the main straight at
15:33.05.
b. Car 55 was able to restart without any assistance and make its way back to the pits at
15:34.22.
c. Meanwhile, Race Control issued a Red Flag for the race at 15:33.16.
d. Page 3 of the Race Control messaging system stated that:
“Car 55(SAI) stopped on start/finish straight”
e. Race Control permitted Car 55 to participate in the remainder of the qualifying session.

Issues
5. The Protest relies on Article 39.6 of the Formula One Sporting Regulations which states:
“Any driver whose car stops on the track during the qualifying session…will not be permitted to take
any further part in that session”
6. The breach that is alleged is that Car 55 stopped on the track during the qualifying session and
therefore should not have been permitted to take any further part in that session.
Hearing
7. As required under 13.6.1 of the ISC, a hearing was held with the parties concerned in attendance. In
addition, a number of the teams requested to be present at the hearing, which we permitted.
8. At our request, the FIA officials who were in Race Control were present. In addition, Nikolas
Tombazis, the Single Seater Director of the FIA requested to be present and we permitted that. He
did not participate in the hearing.

Decision
9. We heard Aston, the other team managers who were present at the hearing and the FIA delegates
and reached the following decision on the Protest:
a. It is clear that the plain language of Art. 39.6 suggests that so long as a car “stops” on the
track during a qualifying session, that car should not be permitted to take further part in the
session.
b. However, it was clear from the examples cited by a number of the team managers present
and the FIA, that this was not how this rule was applied by the teams and the FIA in the past.
c. The FIA team explained that so long as the car was able to restart and continue from a
stopped position within a reasonable time, that would ordinarily be permitted. The typical time
would be around 30 seconds, though that varied depending on the circumstances. The teams
themselves said that they had previously attempted to agree what they considered to be a
reasonable length of time before a car would be considered “stopped”. Unfortunately, they
were not able to come to a final agreement on the maximum time allowed.
d. In the FIA’s view, what was crucial was that the car would not receive any outside assistance
in order to restart (e.g. from marshals).
e. Aston also accepted that there were prior examples of cars stopping on track and being
allowed to continue, despite the plain wording of Article.39.6. However, they felt that stopping,
in this case, for 1minute and 17 seconds was too long and therefore should not have been
permitted.
f. The issue then became one of duration: Was 1 minute 17 seconds too long?
g. Absent clear guidance in the regulations or an agreed, established practice of when too long
was too long, we considered that this was a discretion best left to Race Control.
h. We considered examples in Canada, in Monaco and in Baku where cars had “stopped” (and
therefore would have been in breach of Article 39.6) but were permitted to continue and take
further part in the session, without complaint from the teams.
i. Aston also argued that the fact that the messaging system suggested that the car had
“stopped” conclusive of that fact for Article 39.6. Race Control clarified that the language was
standard language used in the system and therefore did not convey what Aston was
suggesting. Indeed, we saw an example of Alexander Albon in Montreal in 2022 where he
stopped for 40-odd seconds and restarted without complaint from any teams and the
messaging system similarly showed that the car had “stopped”. So, we did not think that the
messaging system was indicative of a decision on the part of Race Control for the purposes
of Article 39.6.
j. There was therefore a clear pattern of past practice in the sport whereby this rule was read to
allow a car to restart and continue, so long as it did not receive outside assistance to do so.
k. We were also shown minutes of the Formula One Commission Meeting held in Spa-Belgium
on 28th July 2023, where Article 39.6 was specifically discussed. The conclusion reached at
that meeting appeared to be, among other things, that:
“It was agreed to add ‘outside assistance’ to Article 39.6”
l. We were informed that the above change to Article 39.6 was not in fact made, so we did not
rely on these minutes, beyond noting that there appeared to be an agreement at least among
those attending that meeting on that day, that was consistent with the approach that Race
Control was adopting.
m. In the above circumstances, taking into account the numerous examples where cars had
stopped for different lengths of time and were permitted to restart and continue to participate
in the session concerned, we considered that the decision taken by Race Control was not
inconsistent with past practice nor in breach of Article 39.6.
n. We considered that even if the plain wording of Article 39.6 warranted a more stark
conclusion, the consistent practice in the sport to date did not warrant a setting aside of the
discretion exercised by Race Control by us as Stewards.
10. We accordingly dismissed the Protest.
11. The Protest fees will be therefore not be returned.

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Bij de Grand Prix van Japan wordt er dit weekend wederom weinig verwacht van Alpine.

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Op zaterdag 20 april 2024 15:42 schreef Pino112 het volgende:

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#werkenbijdenos

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Op zaterdag 20 april 2024 15:42 schreef Pino112 het volgende:

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#werkenbijdenos

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Op zaterdag 20 april 2024 15:49 schreef tja77 het volgende:

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Japan, China…wat is het verschil, vreten allemaal nasi, ja tog?

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Op zaterdag 20 april 2024 16:00 schreef ZaZoe het volgende:

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Het is wit en het hangt bij de chinees aan de muur?

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Op zaterdag 20 april 2024 16:33 schreef Kleffe_Dop het volgende:

F1 back in the CCP

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Op zaterdag 20 april 2024 16:33 schreef Kleffe_Dop het volgende:

F1 back in the CCP

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Op zaterdag 20 april 2024 15:33 schreef Rianne84 het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 20 april 2024 16:33 schreef Kleffe_Dop het volgende:

F1 back in the CCP

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Op zaterdag 20 april 2024 17:54 schreef Peterselieman het volgende:
LH is the G.O.A.T

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Op zaterdag 20 april 2024 16:33 schreef Kleffe_Dop het volgende:

F1 back in the CCP

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Op zaterdag 20 april 2024 19:57 schreef Nizno het volgende:
Grappig, Rosberg doet mede commentaar bij SKY UK en is helemaal verontwaardigd dat Lewis niet verdedigde tegen Max.

Terwijl ik juist denk, als hij was gaan verdedigen was de voorsprong op Alonso kleiner geworden en dus kans geweest dat die hem ook voorbij was gegaan.
En als Max er niet in 9 voorbij was gegaan was dat wel in ronde 10 of 11 gebeurd. Dat had hij echt niet tot de finish kunnen verdedigen.

Choose your battles

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Op zaterdag 20 april 2024 19:57 schreef Nizno het volgende:
Grappig, Rosberg doet mede commentaar bij SKY UK en is helemaal verontwaardigd dat Lewis niet verdedigde tegen Max.

Terwijl ik juist denk, als hij was gaan verdedigen was de voorsprong op Alonso kleiner geworden en dus kans geweest dat die hem ook voorbij was gegaan.
En als Max er niet in 9 voorbij was gegaan was dat wel in ronde 10 of 11 gebeurd. Dat had hij echt niet tot de finish kunnen verdedigen.

Choose your battles

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Op zaterdag 20 april 2024 19:57 schreef Nizno het volgende:
Grappig, Rosberg doet mede commentaar bij SKY UK en is helemaal verontwaardigd dat Lewis niet verdedigde tegen Max.

Terwijl ik juist denk, als hij was gaan verdedigen was de voorsprong op Alonso kleiner geworden en dus kans geweest dat die hem ook voorbij was gegaan.
En als Max er niet in 9 voorbij was gegaan was dat wel in ronde 10 of 11 gebeurd. Dat had hij echt niet tot de finish kunnen verdedigen.

Choose your battles

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Op zaterdag 20 april 2024 15:34 schreef Nizno het volgende:

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