"Natuurlijke immuniteit effectiever dan vaccinimmuniteit"

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Op donderdag 30 september 2021 09:17 schreef Jan_Onderwater het volgende:

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Gewoon het virus laten woeden en alle mensen die doodgaan of langdurig ziek worden afdoen als fatties, mensen die sowieso zouden creperen en wegkijken schat ik, en de totale overbelasting van de zorg gewoon ontkennen, de achterstand bij het vaststellen van diagnosen en de oversterfte daardoor ook.
Kortom, vingers in de oren en heeeeel hard lalalalalaa roepen

Oh kijk, iemand moet vanuit zijn ongecontroleerde emoties een overdreven verhaal neerzetten om mij zwart te maken en af te schilderen als een eng iemand. Schaam je.

Risicogroepen kunnen zich laten vaccineren en voor de rest kun je inderdaad gewoon het virus laten rondgaan, net zoals dat met het griepvirus wordt gedaan. Of net zo als de aanpak is in Zweden of zoals die eerst werd voorgesteld door Mark Rutte aan het begin van de crisis.

En overbelasting van de zorg wanneer de meesten zijn gevaccineerd en veel mensen natuurlijke immuniteit hebben opgebouwd? Hoe zie je dat precies voor je? Of wil je doen voorkomen dat de situatie nog steeds hetzelfde is als in maart 2020?

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Op donderdag 30 september 2021 09:20 schreef Megumi het volgende:

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Ook terwijl jij dus zelf ook een van die mensen kan zijn die dood gaan? En hoe ga jij al die lijken opruimen en dergelijke? Dit soort plannen horen in het rijk van gestoorde plannen. En gaan niet gebeuren in een modern westers land. En dat weet @:probably_on_pcp zelf ook heel goed. Oproepen tot massamoord is tenslotte redelijk idioot.

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Ga jij je de ogen uit de kop schamen

Natuurlijke immuniteit, daar mag niet over gesproken worden! Nee, dan val je in de categorie van "Flat-Earthers" volgens sommigen. En dat terwijl onderzoek duidelijk laat zien dat natuurlijke immuniteit wel degelijk bestaat en minstens net zo goed beschermd als een vaccin.

Maar waarom wordt natuurlijke immuniteit zo weinig besproken door met name beleidsmakers?

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Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 09:49 schreef Jan_Onderwater het volgende:

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Wat bedoel jij nu eigenlijk met natuurlijke immuniteit?

Je hebt een infectie gehad en je eigen immuunsysteem heeft anti-stoffen aangemaakt zonder hulp van buitenaf (vaccin).

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Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 10:47 schreef Jan_Onderwater het volgende:

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Geweldig idee dat als alternatief voor een vaccin te noemen, Covid heeft een mortaliteit van 1 op 950 ongeveer in NL en een veel grotere hoeveelheid mensen wordt zwaar ziek waarvan vele langdurige klachten houden, en dat wil jij als alternatief voor vaccinatie.
Top idee!

Risicogroepen en mensen die dat willen, kunnen zich laten vaccineren en voor de rest kun je inderdaad gewoon het virus laten rondgaan, net zoals dat met het griepvirus wordt gedaan. Of net zo als de aanpak is in Zweden of zoals die eerst werd voorgesteld door Mark Rutte aan het begin van de crisis.

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Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 10:56 schreef Jan_Onderwater het volgende:

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Je gaat voorbij aan mensen die geen risicogroep zijn en er ook zwaar ziek van werden.

Wat ik echt zei:

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Risicogroepen en mensen die dat willen, kunnen zich laten vaccineren

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Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 11:01 schreef Jan_Onderwater het volgende:

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Dat is niet het punt, hij hebt het over dat het een goed alternatief is, dat is het niet.

Wat lul je nou? De meeste mensen die Corona hebben gehad zijn er van hersteld zonder zware gevolgen. De meesten hebben een verkoudheid gehad en al deze mensen hebben nu natuurlijke anti-stoffen. Kun je gewoon rekening mee houden in je beleid alleen dat willen de politici niet. Heeft niets met wetenschap te maken wat de politici willen:

Antibodies Persist For More Than A Year After COVID-19 Infection, Study Finds

The immune systems of the vast majority of people who have been infected with Covid-19 will continue to carry antibodies against the virus for at least 12 months, according to a peer-reviewed study accepted by the European Journal of Immunology on Sept. 24.

Scientists at the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare studied the presence of antibodies in 1,292 subjects eight months after infection. They found that 96 percent of the subjects still carried neutralizing antibodies and 66 percent still carried a type of antibody called nucleoprotein IgG.

The scientists then investigated antibody levels one year after infection by randomly selecting 367 subjects from the original cohort who hadn’t yet been vaccinated. Eighty-nine percent of the subjects still carried neutralizing antibodies, and 36 percent still carried the IgG antibody.

Antibody levels were higher in subjects who had experienced severe COVID-19 disease. Compared to those who had mild disease, these subjects had two to seven times as many antibodies for at least 13 months after infection.

“Studies of individuals who have recovered from SARS-CoV-2 infection are crucial in determining for how long antibodies persist after infection and whether these antibodies protect against re-infection,” the scientists wrote (pdf).

Despite lasting protection against the original strain of the CCP virus, the study found that the neutralization efficiency against the Alpha, Beta, and Delta variants waned over time. The reduction in efficiency was “considerably declined” for the Beta variant and was “only slightly reduced” against the Alpha variant. For the Delta variant, which is the dominant strain in the United States, the study found that 80 percent of the subjects still had immune protection 12 months after infection.

A study published in Nature Medicine in May found that the levels of neutralizing antibodies in a person are highly predictive of immune protection against infection and severe disease caused by Covid-19, commonly known as the novel coronavirus. Prior studies have shown that antibodies persist six to 12 months after infection.

Despite the robust and lasting protection after an infection, CCP virus vaccine mandates in the United States offer no exemptions based on acquired immunity. An Epoch Times review of vaccine mandates for U.S. colleges and universities didn’t find a single school offering exemptions to students who had acquired immunity. Recent mandates imposed on the state and federal level have likewise ignored acquired immunity.

https://www.zerohedge.com(...)nfection-study-finds

WATCH: Hidden Camera Catches Pfizer Scientists Make Stunning Confession — ‘We Are An Evil Company.. You’re Better Off Catching COVID Than Getting Vaccine’

Three Pfizer scientists were captured on camera making a stunning admission that they work for an ‘evil corporation’ that is more concerned about making money by pushing the vaccine than the actual well being of the public.

The scientists revealed that many people may be better off getting Covid than getting vaccinated, that natural antibodies developed in the course of a Covid-19 infection may indeed be superior to vaccine-manufactured antibodies.

“When somebody is naturally immune — like they got COVID — they probably have more antibodies against the virus…When you actually get the virus, you’re going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus…So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the [COVID] vaccination,” scientist Nick Karl was heard saying in an undercover Project Veritas video.

“The city [of New York] needs like vax cards and everything. It’s just about making it so inconvenient for unvaccinated people to the point where they’re just like, ‘F*ck it. I’ll get it.’ You know?” he added.

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A second Pfizer staffer, Senior Associate Scientist Chris Croce, agreed with Karl and said that those who have naturally acquired immunity are “probably more” protected against the diseases vs the vaccinated.

Veritas Journalist: “So, I am well-protected [with antibodies]?”

Chris Croce, Pfizer Senior Associate Scientist: “Yeah.”

Veritas Journalist: “Like as much as the vaccine?”

Croce: “Probably more.”

Veritas Journalist: “How so? Like, how much more?”

Croce: “You’re protected most likely for longer since there was a natural response.”

A third Pfizer scientist, Rahul Khandke, said that Pfizer pressures employees to conceal negative information from the public.

“We’re bred and taught to be like, ‘vaccine is safer than actually getting COVID.’ Honestly, we had to do so many seminars on this. You have no idea. Like, we have to sit there for hours and hours and listen to like — be like, ‘you cannot talk about this in public,” said Khandke, who also agreed on the antibodies.

“If you have [COVID] antibodies built up, you should be able to prove that you have those built up,” he said.

Croce, meanwhile, acknowledged that Pfizer is conducting tests to determine whether their vaccine causes myocarditis in younger individuals.

“So, yeah, we’re doing, we just sent, like, 3,000 patients’ samples to get tested for like, elevated troponin levels (to detect heart attack) to see if it’s vaccine based – or so…”

https://en-volve.com/2021(...)han-getting-vaccine/

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Op donderdag 7 oktober 2021 12:47 schreef wdn het volgende:

Vaccin immuniteit zorgt dat er meer tijd is voor natuurlijke immuniteit.

En ik vind dat helemaal prima. Als mensen, en dan met name risicogroepen, zich fijn voelen bij het vaccin dan mogen ze gewoon dat vaccin nemen. Ben ik helemaal voor.

Ik heb wel een probleem met het opdringen van de vaccins, zonder dat overheden serieus bereid zijn te praten over natuurlijke immuniteit. Dat onderwerp wordt toch wel heel erg genegeerd in veel landen.

Now scientists have confirmed that natural immunity is more effective than vaxxed immunity, why can’t I have my freedoms back?

I’ve got immunity from having had the virus, so where’s my permanent health pass and end to testing hell? Governments are ignoring an avalanche of clinical studies proving the Covid-recovered could simply be left alone.
As someone who has recovered from Covid-19, I’m tired of spending the better part of a year now contending with brainwashed sheeple glued to every word of our flip-flopping, agenda peddling, manipulative government authorities trying to sell us on the idea that if you’ve already had the virus, you still need to get at least one approved anti-Covid jab.

The fact that governments can’t even agree on whether the Covid-recovered should get either one or two jabs to qualify for their government-issued QR code health pass, allowing them to live and travel freely as before this fiasco, should already make thinking people skeptical. Here in France, government propaganda requires the Covid-recovered to take just one jab to qualify for the national QR code health pass – which is insufficient for travel to my home country of Canada, which requires that all travelers be double-jabbed three months after any Covid infection.

But If I have evidence that my acquired immunity is equal to or superior to the jabs, then getting even a single dose implies potential risk for little or no reward – or even potential detriment. So why would I roll that dice? It's not like hospitals are filling up with the unjabbed Covid-recovered. So why aren't authorities acknowledging this and reacting accordingly to remove us from their jab treadmill.

An Israeli study is often cited to justify jabbing the Covid-recovered, claiming that they’re twice as protected from reinfection than if they relied solely on acquired immunity. But when you dig into the data, you realize that the odds of reinfection are already infinitesimal, and that two times nil is still nil.

Another study, published in the medical journal, Viruses, concluded that “compared with mRNA vaccination... natural infection induces a more robust humoral immune response,” meaning that the Covid-recovered have systems better primed with memory to respond to any future exposure even after blood antibody levels wane.

And in a bombshell undercover video sting published this week, Project Veritas revealed Chris Croce, a senior associate scientist at Pfizer, admitting on camera the advantage of acquired immunity over his company’s vaccine. “You’re protected most likely for longer since it’s a natural response,” Croce revealed.

Nick Karl, a Pfizer biochemist, told the undercover operative: “When somebody is naturally immune – like they got COVID – they probably have… more antibodies against the virus because what the vaccine is… that protein is just on the outside… It’s just one antibody against one specific part of the virus. When you actually get the virus, you’ll start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of virus, not only the outside portion but the inside portion, the actual virus, so your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination.”

Another article published last month on Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory’s preprint server concluded: “While vaccinations are highly effective at protecting against infection and severe COVID-19 disease, our review demonstrates that natural immunity in COVID-recovered individuals is, at least, equivalent to the protection afforded by full vaccination of COVID-naïve populations. There is a modest and incremental relative benefit to vaccination in COVID-recovered individuals; however, the net benefit is marginal on an absolute basis.” The researchers recommended that “vaccination of COVID-recovered individuals should be subject to clinical equipoise and individual preference.”

And that’s not all. “Israelis who had an infection were more protected against the Delta coronavirus variant than those who had an already highly effective COVID-19 vaccine,” wrote Science Magazine of the benchmark Israeli study from August (while still, bizarrely, claiming vaccinations were “vital”). Since then, we’ve learned that the effectiveness of these ‘highly effective vaccines’ – like Pfizer/BioNTech’s – wanes after six months.

Gaat verder:

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/(...)-recovered-immunity/

Natural Immunity and Covid-19: Thirty Scientific Studies to Share with Employers, Health Officials, and Politicians

From the beginning of the March 2020 lockdowns for the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the subject of natural immunity (also called post-infection immunity) has been neglected. Once the vaccination became widely available, what began with near silence at the beginning turned nearly into a complete blackout of the topic.

Even now, there is an absence of open discussion, presumably in the interests of promoting universal vaccination and required documentation of such vaccination as a condition of participating in public life and even the jobs marketplace. Still, the science exists. Many studies exist. Their authors deserve credit, recognition, and to have their voices heard.

These studies demonstrate what was and is already known: natural immunity for a SARS-type virus is robust, long-lasting, and broadly effective even in the case of mutations, generally more so than vaccines. In fact, a major contribution of 20th-century science has been to expand upon and further elucidate this principle that has been known since the ancient world. Every expert presumably knew this long before the current debates. The effort to pretend otherwise is a scientific scandal of the highest order, especially because the continued neglect of the topic is affecting the rights and freedoms of billions of people.

People who have contracted the virus and recovered deserve recognition. The realization that natural immunity – which pertains now to perhaps half of the US population and billions around the world – is effective in providing protection should have a dramatic effect on vaccine mandates.

Individuals whose livelihoods and liberties are being deprecated and deleted need access to the scientific literature as it pertains to this virus. They should send a link to this page far and wide. The scientists have not been silent; they just haven’t received the public attention they deserve. The preparation of this list was assisted by links provided by Paul Elias Alexander and Rational Ground’s own cheat sheet on natural immunity, which also includes links to popular articles on the topic.

Link naar artikel met studies

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Op zaterdag 9 oktober 2021 20:45 schreef Lospedrosa het volgende:
Lul toch niet zo dom man

Wat is het probleem?