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Can you speak Dutch because this is a Dutch forum.quote:Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 22:54 schreef Tingo het volgende:
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Ah yes, it reminds me of the good old days of AIDS...when people still really did give a fuck.
Maybe there will be a bat and green monkey soup corona variant.
Vakman pur sang
Ik zal m'n beste doen - speciaal voor U.quote:Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 23:04 schreef Lospedrosa het volgende:
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Can you speak Dutch because this is a Dutch forum.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Gaan we HIV en AIDS ontkennen?quote:
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Ah yes, it reminds me of the good old days of AIDS...when people still really did give a fuck.
Maybe there will be a bat and green monkey soup corona variant.
Mijn blog over o.a. leven met OCD (dwang) | https://mdj-stek.nl
Thanks mate!quote:
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Ik zal m'n beste doen - speciaal voor U.
Vakman pur sang
Voorzichtig met Toto spelen leuker dan spaarrekeningen is.quote:
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https://www.volkskrant.nl(...)l&utm_source=twitter
Gokken in het casino is voor jongeren iets lucratiever dan op de IC komen met kans 23/17 miljoen.
En ze zijn dan ook nog eens 7 tot 9 keer beter beschermd.
Tis maar wat je gokken noemt.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Graag gedaan ouwe reus.quote:
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
People who recovered from a bout of Covid-19 during one of the earlier waves of the pandemic appear to have a lower risk of contracting the delta variant than those who got two doses of the vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.
The largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity -- gained from an earlier infection -- to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use showed that reinfections were much less common. The paper from researchers in Israel contrasts with earlier studies, which showed that immunizations offered better protection than an earlier infection, though those studies were not of the delta variant.
The results are good news for patients who already successfully battled Covid-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered.
“This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant,” the researchers said.
Gaat verder:
https://www.bloomberg.com(...)ter-than-pfizer-shot
People who recovered from a bout of Covid-19 during one of the earlier waves of the pandemic appear to have a lower risk of contracting the delta variant than those who got two doses of the vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.
The largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity -- gained from an earlier infection -- to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use showed that reinfections were much less common. The paper from researchers in Israel contrasts with earlier studies, which showed that immunizations offered better protection than an earlier infection, though those studies were not of the delta variant.
The results are good news for patients who already successfully battled Covid-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered.
“This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant,” the researchers said.
Gaat verder:
https://www.bloomberg.com(...)ter-than-pfizer-shot
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
BBC-artikel:
Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?
There are marked differences in your immune system after a natural infection with coronavirus and after vaccination.
Which is better?
Even asking the question bordered on heresy a year ago, when catching Covid for the first time could be deadly, especially for the elderly or people already in poor health.
Now, we're no longer starting with zero immunity as the overwhelming majority of people have either been vaccinated or have already caught the virus.
It is now a serious question that has implications for whether children should ever be vaccinated. And whether we use the virus or booster shots to top up immunity in adults. Both have become contentious issues.
"We could be digging ourselves into a hole, for a very long time, where we think we can only keep Covid away by boosting every year," Prof Eleanor Riley, an immunologist from the University of Edinburgh, told me.
Prof Adam Finn, a government vaccine adviser, said over-vaccinating people, when other parts of the world had none, was "a bit insane, it's not just inequitable, it's stupid".
Gaat verder:
https://archive.is/zWgrE#selection-687.0-737.175
Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?
There are marked differences in your immune system after a natural infection with coronavirus and after vaccination.
Which is better?
Even asking the question bordered on heresy a year ago, when catching Covid for the first time could be deadly, especially for the elderly or people already in poor health.
Now, we're no longer starting with zero immunity as the overwhelming majority of people have either been vaccinated or have already caught the virus.
It is now a serious question that has implications for whether children should ever be vaccinated. And whether we use the virus or booster shots to top up immunity in adults. Both have become contentious issues.
"We could be digging ourselves into a hole, for a very long time, where we think we can only keep Covid away by boosting every year," Prof Eleanor Riley, an immunologist from the University of Edinburgh, told me.
Prof Adam Finn, a government vaccine adviser, said over-vaccinating people, when other parts of the world had none, was "a bit insane, it's not just inequitable, it's stupid".
Gaat verder:
https://archive.is/zWgrE#selection-687.0-737.175
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
The World Health Organization Oversold the Vaccine and Deprecated Natural Immunity
A strange feature of rhetoric during the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic that came to public notice in early 2020 was the odd silence about the immune system. Whereas in the past, vaccines and natural exposure were regarded as partners in disease mitigation, this time they were set up in competition, with all respectable voices pushing vaccines and shouting down anyone who dared break the silence about natural forces.
That propaganda push started 18 months ago but it has now completely unraveled. The largest study yet comparing Covid vaccines to natural infection has produced results that would have surprised no one 50 years ago. “Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections” demonstrates that natural immunity is more powerful and broader in terms of preventing infection – a truism of cell biology known and refined over the ages. This is consistent with many other studies over the past year, as explained by Jay Battacharya, Sunetra Gupta, and Martin Kulldorff.
Experience with Covid-19 is a textbook case of how the immune system scales naturally to take on the newest pathogens that have always and will always vex the world. The vaccine (especially one using a new innovation rather than a traditional inoculation) for this type of virus – respiratory, widespread, and mild for most – will necessarily be more hit-and-miss, simply because of the pace of mutation and the emergence of variants.
The Isreali study is notable only because of the scope of the study and the precision of the results. Reuters summarizes the study in English:
The results are good news for patients who already successfully battled Covid-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered.
Gaat verder:
https://brownstone.org/ar(...)ed-natural-immunity/
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Probably_on_pcp op 02-09-2021 00:14:31 ]
A strange feature of rhetoric during the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic that came to public notice in early 2020 was the odd silence about the immune system. Whereas in the past, vaccines and natural exposure were regarded as partners in disease mitigation, this time they were set up in competition, with all respectable voices pushing vaccines and shouting down anyone who dared break the silence about natural forces.
That propaganda push started 18 months ago but it has now completely unraveled. The largest study yet comparing Covid vaccines to natural infection has produced results that would have surprised no one 50 years ago. “Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections” demonstrates that natural immunity is more powerful and broader in terms of preventing infection – a truism of cell biology known and refined over the ages. This is consistent with many other studies over the past year, as explained by Jay Battacharya, Sunetra Gupta, and Martin Kulldorff.
Experience with Covid-19 is a textbook case of how the immune system scales naturally to take on the newest pathogens that have always and will always vex the world. The vaccine (especially one using a new innovation rather than a traditional inoculation) for this type of virus – respiratory, widespread, and mild for most – will necessarily be more hit-and-miss, simply because of the pace of mutation and the emergence of variants.
The Isreali study is notable only because of the scope of the study and the precision of the results. Reuters summarizes the study in English:
The results are good news for patients who already successfully battled Covid-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered.
Gaat verder:
https://brownstone.org/ar(...)ed-natural-immunity/
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Probably_on_pcp op 02-09-2021 00:14:31 ]
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
Pfizer Board Member: ‘Natural Immunity’ Against COVID-19 Needs to Be Included in Policy Discussions
Former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, who is also a Pfizer board member, noted that “natural immunity” gained from a prior COVID-19 infection needs to be included in discussions about virus-related policies and mandates.
“The balance of the evidence demonstrates that natural immunity confers a durable protection,” Gottlieb said during an Aug. 30 interview, referring to a landmark new preprint Israeli study that found that prior COVID-19 infection confers more protection against the virus than any of the vaccines. “It’s fair to conclude that.”
Although Gottlieb said he would “be careful” about concluding whether natural immunity provides better protection against transmitting the virus, officials “should start assimilating that into our policy discussions.”
“Natural infection confers robust and durable immunity,” he said, citing the Israeli study and others.
However, whether natural immunity or vaccines are better than one another “isn’t that material” when it comes to policy discussions, Gottlieb said.
Last week, researchers from Maccabi Healthcare and Tel Aviv University said that individuals who had recovered from COVID-19 had superior protection against the Delta variant of the CCP virus compared to those who received the Pfizer mRNA vaccine, the most commonly used shot in Israel.
“This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease, and hospitalization due to the Delta variant,” the study reads, noting that the findings came from the “largest real-world observational study” in the world.
The study, which hasn’t yet been peer-reviewed, noted outcomes for a period between June 1 and Aug. 14 of this year.
When the researchers compared cases of prior infection that occurred between March 2020 and February 2021 with vaccinations that occurred between January and February 2021, they found that the vaccinated cohort was 5.96 times more likely to contract the Delta variant and 7.13 times more at risk for symptomatic disease compared to those previously infected.
Those vaccinated were at a greater risk of COVID-19-related hospitalizations compared to those who were previously infected, the authors noted. They also noted that being 60 or older increased the risk of infection and hospitalization.
The authors said they only looked at protection against the Delta variant, and only at the Pfizer vaccine and not other vaccines or booster shots.
https://www.theepochtimes(...)tter_impression=true
Former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, who is also a Pfizer board member, noted that “natural immunity” gained from a prior COVID-19 infection needs to be included in discussions about virus-related policies and mandates.
“The balance of the evidence demonstrates that natural immunity confers a durable protection,” Gottlieb said during an Aug. 30 interview, referring to a landmark new preprint Israeli study that found that prior COVID-19 infection confers more protection against the virus than any of the vaccines. “It’s fair to conclude that.”
Although Gottlieb said he would “be careful” about concluding whether natural immunity provides better protection against transmitting the virus, officials “should start assimilating that into our policy discussions.”
“Natural infection confers robust and durable immunity,” he said, citing the Israeli study and others.
However, whether natural immunity or vaccines are better than one another “isn’t that material” when it comes to policy discussions, Gottlieb said.
Last week, researchers from Maccabi Healthcare and Tel Aviv University said that individuals who had recovered from COVID-19 had superior protection against the Delta variant of the CCP virus compared to those who received the Pfizer mRNA vaccine, the most commonly used shot in Israel.
“This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease, and hospitalization due to the Delta variant,” the study reads, noting that the findings came from the “largest real-world observational study” in the world.
The study, which hasn’t yet been peer-reviewed, noted outcomes for a period between June 1 and Aug. 14 of this year.
When the researchers compared cases of prior infection that occurred between March 2020 and February 2021 with vaccinations that occurred between January and February 2021, they found that the vaccinated cohort was 5.96 times more likely to contract the Delta variant and 7.13 times more at risk for symptomatic disease compared to those previously infected.
Those vaccinated were at a greater risk of COVID-19-related hospitalizations compared to those who were previously infected, the authors noted. They also noted that being 60 or older increased the risk of infection and hospitalization.
The authors said they only looked at protection against the Delta variant, and only at the Pfizer vaccine and not other vaccines or booster shots.
https://www.theepochtimes(...)tter_impression=true
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
Horowitz: 15 studies that indicate natural immunity from prior infection is more robust than the COVID vaccines
It's the 800-pound gorilla in the pandemic. The debate over forced vaccination with an ever-waning vaccine is cresting right around the time when the debate should be moot for a lot of people. Among the most fraudulent messages of the CDC's campaign of deceit is to force the vaccine on those with prior infection, who have a greater degree of protection against all versions of the virus than those with any of the vaccines. It's time to set the record straight once and for all that natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is broader, more durable, and longer-lasting than any of the shots on the market today. Our policies must reflect that reality.
It should be noted that this exercise is not even necessary now that our own government concedes that immunity from the vaccines, particularly the Pfizer shot, wanes each month. With the Mayo Clinic researchers suggesting, based on old data that likely got even worse since, that Pfizer's efficacy against infection is only 42%, there is no reason to even attempt to compare this degree of immunity to the near-perfect immunity of prior infection, even against Delta. It should be obvious to any intellectually honest person that an unvaccinated individual with prior infection is exponentially safer to be around than someone who had the vaccines but not prior infection.
Gaat verder:
https://www.theblaze.com/(...)n-the-covid-vaccines
It's the 800-pound gorilla in the pandemic. The debate over forced vaccination with an ever-waning vaccine is cresting right around the time when the debate should be moot for a lot of people. Among the most fraudulent messages of the CDC's campaign of deceit is to force the vaccine on those with prior infection, who have a greater degree of protection against all versions of the virus than those with any of the vaccines. It's time to set the record straight once and for all that natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is broader, more durable, and longer-lasting than any of the shots on the market today. Our policies must reflect that reality.
It should be noted that this exercise is not even necessary now that our own government concedes that immunity from the vaccines, particularly the Pfizer shot, wanes each month. With the Mayo Clinic researchers suggesting, based on old data that likely got even worse since, that Pfizer's efficacy against infection is only 42%, there is no reason to even attempt to compare this degree of immunity to the near-perfect immunity of prior infection, even against Delta. It should be obvious to any intellectually honest person that an unvaccinated individual with prior infection is exponentially safer to be around than someone who had the vaccines but not prior infection.
Gaat verder:
https://www.theblaze.com/(...)n-the-covid-vaccines
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
Ik raad TS aan zijn hypothese te bewijzen door ongevaccineerd naar bv Panama te gaan en daar natuurlijke immuniteit tegen gele koorts te kweken. Dan mag ie hier ook posten over de bijwerkingen daarvan, als ie dat nog kan.
Wat een slechte reactie.quote:
Ik raad TS aan zijn hypothese te bewijzen door ongevaccineerd naar bv Panama te gaan en daar natuurlijke immuniteit tegen gele koorts te kweken. Dan mag ie hier ook posten over de bijwerkingen daarvan, als ie dat nog kan.
Het kan toch zijn dat natuurlijke immuniteit gewoon voordelen heeft.
Dus in jouw voorbeeld, dan heeft hij Corona gehad en. Goed doorlopen, dan ben je dus redelijk immuun denkt men. Net zoals met een vaccinatie.
Vakman pur sang
Een ziekte krijgen om er immuun tegen te worden als alternatief voor vaccinatie is nogal, hoe zeg ik het, nogal dom, dan begrijp je niet waar het om gaat.quote:
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Wat een slechte reactie.
Het kan toch zijn dat natuurlijke immuniteit gewoon voordelen heeft.
Dus in jouw voorbeeld, dan heeft hij Corona gehad en. Goed doorlopen, dan ben je dus redelijk immuun denkt men. Net zoals met een vaccinatie.
Nee jij begrijpt het niet geloof ik🥲quote:
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Een ziekte krijgen om er immuun tegen te worden als alternatief voor vaccinatie is nogal, hoe zeg ik het, nogal dom, dan begrijp je niet waar het om gaat.
Vakman pur sang
Vertel, wat begrijp ik niet?quote:
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Nee jij begrijpt het niet geloof ik🥲
Natuurlijke immuniteit gaat ook samen met flinke nadelen.quote:
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Wat een slechte reactie.
Het kan toch zijn dat natuurlijke immuniteit gewoon voordelen heeft.
Dus in jouw voorbeeld, dan heeft hij Corona gehad en. Goed doorlopen, dan ben je dus redelijk immuun denkt men. Net zoals met een vaccinatie.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Wat jullie niet begrijpen steeds is dat dit geldt voor mensen die niet echt ziek worden.quote:
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Natuurlijke immuniteit gaat ook samen met flinke nadelen.
Je kunt ook pech hebben maar die kans is (heel) klein mits onder de 50.
Vakman pur sang
Ik ken verschillende mensen in mijn omgeving die er echt doodziek van waren, en die zijn allemaal onder de 50 en kerngezond en hebben goede conditie. Ik heb het over sporters en beroeps militairen. Je kan het allemaal wel lopen ontkennen, maar het is gewoon geen lachertje,quote:
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Wat jullie niet begrijpen steeds is dat dit geldt voor mensen die niet echt ziek worden.
Je kunt ook pech hebben maar die kans is (heel) klein mits onder de 50.
Ik ken 100en zo niet duizenden mensen die Corona gehad hebben. Zoals al mijn collega’s van n niemand had er echt last van.quote:
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Ik ken verschillende mensen in mijn omgeving die er echt doodziek van waren, en die zijn allemaal onder de 50 en kerngezond en hebben goede conditie. Ik heb het over sporters en beroeps militairen. Je kan het allemaal wel lopen ontkennen, maar het is gewoon geen lachertje,
Heb ook een oudere dikkere buurman die moest naar de IC.
Maar wat iedeeen ook meemaakt het gaat om de statistieken, als je echt jong en gezond bent, zoek het op en je bent beschermd voor het leven.
Niet leuk voor de mensen die diehard believers zijn in d narco industrie.
Vakman pur sang
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Ik ken 100en zo niet duizenden mensen die Corona gehad hebben.
SUUUUURE
Ja ik ken veel mensen en via via nog meer mensen zoals 300 collega’s en daarvan weer op onderaannemers, vrienden, kennissen, de aannemer die mijn huis doet met al zijn onderaannemers. Je praat weleens met mensen niet?quote:
Vakman pur sang
En zijn in NL 1,9 Miljoen mensen positief getest op corona, dat is 12,2% van de bevolking, dus als jij duizenden (laten we zeggen 2000) mensen met corona hebt gesproken heb je in de afgelopen slordige 500 dagen 16,200 verschillende mensen gesproken, dat zijn er iets meer dan 32 per dag, en let wel 32 UNIEKE mensen per dag. Niet meegenomen de mensen die je vaker spreekt dan 1 keer in 500 dagen, die tellen ook maar 1 keer mee.quote:
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Ja ik ken veel mensen en via via nog meer mensen zoals 300 collega’s en daarvan weer op onderaannemers, vrienden, kennissen, de aannemer die mijn huis doet met al zijn onderaannemers. Je praat weleens met mensen niet?
Ja het is wat he?quote:
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En zijn in NL 1,9 Miljoen mensen positief getest op corona, dat is 12,2% van de bevolking, dus als jij duizenden (laten we zeggen 2000) mensen met corona hebt gesproken heb je in de afgelopen slordige 500 dagen 16,200 verschillende mensen gesproken, dat zijn er iets meer dan 32 per dag, en let wel 32 UNIEKE mensen per dag. Niet meegenomen de mensen die je vaker spreekt dan 1 keer in 500 dagen, die tellen ook maar 1 keer mee.
Vakman pur sang
Dat weet je natuurlijk pas achteraf.quote:
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Wat jullie niet begrijpen steeds is dat dit geldt voor mensen die niet echt ziek worden.
Je kunt ook pech hebben maar die kans is (heel) klein mits onder de 50.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
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