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Can you speak Dutch because this is a Dutch forum.quote:Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 22:54 schreef Tingo het volgende:
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Ah yes, it reminds me of the good old days of AIDS...when people still really did give a fuck.
Maybe there will be a bat and green monkey soup corona variant.
Vakman pur sang
Ik zal m'n beste doen - speciaal voor U.quote:Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 23:04 schreef Lospedrosa het volgende:
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Can you speak Dutch because this is a Dutch forum.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Gaan we HIV en AIDS ontkennen?quote:
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Ah yes, it reminds me of the good old days of AIDS...when people still really did give a fuck.
Maybe there will be a bat and green monkey soup corona variant.
Mijn blog over o.a. leven met OCD (dwang) | https://mdj-stek.nl
Thanks mate!quote:
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Ik zal m'n beste doen - speciaal voor U.
Vakman pur sang
Voorzichtig met Toto spelen leuker dan spaarrekeningen is.quote:
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https://www.volkskrant.nl(...)l&utm_source=twitter
Gokken in het casino is voor jongeren iets lucratiever dan op de IC komen met kans 23/17 miljoen.
En ze zijn dan ook nog eens 7 tot 9 keer beter beschermd.
Tis maar wat je gokken noemt.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Graag gedaan ouwe reus.quote:
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
People who recovered from a bout of Covid-19 during one of the earlier waves of the pandemic appear to have a lower risk of contracting the delta variant than those who got two doses of the vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.
The largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity -- gained from an earlier infection -- to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use showed that reinfections were much less common. The paper from researchers in Israel contrasts with earlier studies, which showed that immunizations offered better protection than an earlier infection, though those studies were not of the delta variant.
The results are good news for patients who already successfully battled Covid-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered.
“This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant,” the researchers said.
Gaat verder:
https://www.bloomberg.com(...)ter-than-pfizer-shot
People who recovered from a bout of Covid-19 during one of the earlier waves of the pandemic appear to have a lower risk of contracting the delta variant than those who got two doses of the vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.
The largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity -- gained from an earlier infection -- to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use showed that reinfections were much less common. The paper from researchers in Israel contrasts with earlier studies, which showed that immunizations offered better protection than an earlier infection, though those studies were not of the delta variant.
The results are good news for patients who already successfully battled Covid-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered.
“This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant,” the researchers said.
Gaat verder:
https://www.bloomberg.com(...)ter-than-pfizer-shot
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
BBC-artikel:
Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?
There are marked differences in your immune system after a natural infection with coronavirus and after vaccination.
Which is better?
Even asking the question bordered on heresy a year ago, when catching Covid for the first time could be deadly, especially for the elderly or people already in poor health.
Now, we're no longer starting with zero immunity as the overwhelming majority of people have either been vaccinated or have already caught the virus.
It is now a serious question that has implications for whether children should ever be vaccinated. And whether we use the virus or booster shots to top up immunity in adults. Both have become contentious issues.
"We could be digging ourselves into a hole, for a very long time, where we think we can only keep Covid away by boosting every year," Prof Eleanor Riley, an immunologist from the University of Edinburgh, told me.
Prof Adam Finn, a government vaccine adviser, said over-vaccinating people, when other parts of the world had none, was "a bit insane, it's not just inequitable, it's stupid".
Gaat verder:
https://archive.is/zWgrE#selection-687.0-737.175
Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?
There are marked differences in your immune system after a natural infection with coronavirus and after vaccination.
Which is better?
Even asking the question bordered on heresy a year ago, when catching Covid for the first time could be deadly, especially for the elderly or people already in poor health.
Now, we're no longer starting with zero immunity as the overwhelming majority of people have either been vaccinated or have already caught the virus.
It is now a serious question that has implications for whether children should ever be vaccinated. And whether we use the virus or booster shots to top up immunity in adults. Both have become contentious issues.
"We could be digging ourselves into a hole, for a very long time, where we think we can only keep Covid away by boosting every year," Prof Eleanor Riley, an immunologist from the University of Edinburgh, told me.
Prof Adam Finn, a government vaccine adviser, said over-vaccinating people, when other parts of the world had none, was "a bit insane, it's not just inequitable, it's stupid".
Gaat verder:
https://archive.is/zWgrE#selection-687.0-737.175
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
The World Health Organization Oversold the Vaccine and Deprecated Natural Immunity
A strange feature of rhetoric during the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic that came to public notice in early 2020 was the odd silence about the immune system. Whereas in the past, vaccines and natural exposure were regarded as partners in disease mitigation, this time they were set up in competition, with all respectable voices pushing vaccines and shouting down anyone who dared break the silence about natural forces.
That propaganda push started 18 months ago but it has now completely unraveled. The largest study yet comparing Covid vaccines to natural infection has produced results that would have surprised no one 50 years ago. “Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections” demonstrates that natural immunity is more powerful and broader in terms of preventing infection – a truism of cell biology known and refined over the ages. This is consistent with many other studies over the past year, as explained by Jay Battacharya, Sunetra Gupta, and Martin Kulldorff.
Experience with Covid-19 is a textbook case of how the immune system scales naturally to take on the newest pathogens that have always and will always vex the world. The vaccine (especially one using a new innovation rather than a traditional inoculation) for this type of virus – respiratory, widespread, and mild for most – will necessarily be more hit-and-miss, simply because of the pace of mutation and the emergence of variants.
The Isreali study is notable only because of the scope of the study and the precision of the results. Reuters summarizes the study in English:
The results are good news for patients who already successfully battled Covid-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered.
Gaat verder:
https://brownstone.org/ar(...)ed-natural-immunity/
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Probably_on_pcp op 02-09-2021 00:14:31 ]
A strange feature of rhetoric during the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic that came to public notice in early 2020 was the odd silence about the immune system. Whereas in the past, vaccines and natural exposure were regarded as partners in disease mitigation, this time they were set up in competition, with all respectable voices pushing vaccines and shouting down anyone who dared break the silence about natural forces.
That propaganda push started 18 months ago but it has now completely unraveled. The largest study yet comparing Covid vaccines to natural infection has produced results that would have surprised no one 50 years ago. “Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections” demonstrates that natural immunity is more powerful and broader in terms of preventing infection – a truism of cell biology known and refined over the ages. This is consistent with many other studies over the past year, as explained by Jay Battacharya, Sunetra Gupta, and Martin Kulldorff.
Experience with Covid-19 is a textbook case of how the immune system scales naturally to take on the newest pathogens that have always and will always vex the world. The vaccine (especially one using a new innovation rather than a traditional inoculation) for this type of virus – respiratory, widespread, and mild for most – will necessarily be more hit-and-miss, simply because of the pace of mutation and the emergence of variants.
The Isreali study is notable only because of the scope of the study and the precision of the results. Reuters summarizes the study in English:
The results are good news for patients who already successfully battled Covid-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered.
Gaat verder:
https://brownstone.org/ar(...)ed-natural-immunity/
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Probably_on_pcp op 02-09-2021 00:14:31 ]
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
Pfizer Board Member: ‘Natural Immunity’ Against COVID-19 Needs to Be Included in Policy Discussions
Former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, who is also a Pfizer board member, noted that “natural immunity” gained from a prior COVID-19 infection needs to be included in discussions about virus-related policies and mandates.
“The balance of the evidence demonstrates that natural immunity confers a durable protection,” Gottlieb said during an Aug. 30 interview, referring to a landmark new preprint Israeli study that found that prior COVID-19 infection confers more protection against the virus than any of the vaccines. “It’s fair to conclude that.”
Although Gottlieb said he would “be careful” about concluding whether natural immunity provides better protection against transmitting the virus, officials “should start assimilating that into our policy discussions.”
“Natural infection confers robust and durable immunity,” he said, citing the Israeli study and others.
However, whether natural immunity or vaccines are better than one another “isn’t that material” when it comes to policy discussions, Gottlieb said.
Last week, researchers from Maccabi Healthcare and Tel Aviv University said that individuals who had recovered from COVID-19 had superior protection against the Delta variant of the CCP virus compared to those who received the Pfizer mRNA vaccine, the most commonly used shot in Israel.
“This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease, and hospitalization due to the Delta variant,” the study reads, noting that the findings came from the “largest real-world observational study” in the world.
The study, which hasn’t yet been peer-reviewed, noted outcomes for a period between June 1 and Aug. 14 of this year.
When the researchers compared cases of prior infection that occurred between March 2020 and February 2021 with vaccinations that occurred between January and February 2021, they found that the vaccinated cohort was 5.96 times more likely to contract the Delta variant and 7.13 times more at risk for symptomatic disease compared to those previously infected.
Those vaccinated were at a greater risk of COVID-19-related hospitalizations compared to those who were previously infected, the authors noted. They also noted that being 60 or older increased the risk of infection and hospitalization.
The authors said they only looked at protection against the Delta variant, and only at the Pfizer vaccine and not other vaccines or booster shots.
https://www.theepochtimes(...)tter_impression=true
Former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, who is also a Pfizer board member, noted that “natural immunity” gained from a prior COVID-19 infection needs to be included in discussions about virus-related policies and mandates.
“The balance of the evidence demonstrates that natural immunity confers a durable protection,” Gottlieb said during an Aug. 30 interview, referring to a landmark new preprint Israeli study that found that prior COVID-19 infection confers more protection against the virus than any of the vaccines. “It’s fair to conclude that.”
Although Gottlieb said he would “be careful” about concluding whether natural immunity provides better protection against transmitting the virus, officials “should start assimilating that into our policy discussions.”
“Natural infection confers robust and durable immunity,” he said, citing the Israeli study and others.
However, whether natural immunity or vaccines are better than one another “isn’t that material” when it comes to policy discussions, Gottlieb said.
Last week, researchers from Maccabi Healthcare and Tel Aviv University said that individuals who had recovered from COVID-19 had superior protection against the Delta variant of the CCP virus compared to those who received the Pfizer mRNA vaccine, the most commonly used shot in Israel.
“This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease, and hospitalization due to the Delta variant,” the study reads, noting that the findings came from the “largest real-world observational study” in the world.
The study, which hasn’t yet been peer-reviewed, noted outcomes for a period between June 1 and Aug. 14 of this year.
When the researchers compared cases of prior infection that occurred between March 2020 and February 2021 with vaccinations that occurred between January and February 2021, they found that the vaccinated cohort was 5.96 times more likely to contract the Delta variant and 7.13 times more at risk for symptomatic disease compared to those previously infected.
Those vaccinated were at a greater risk of COVID-19-related hospitalizations compared to those who were previously infected, the authors noted. They also noted that being 60 or older increased the risk of infection and hospitalization.
The authors said they only looked at protection against the Delta variant, and only at the Pfizer vaccine and not other vaccines or booster shots.
https://www.theepochtimes(...)tter_impression=true
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
Horowitz: 15 studies that indicate natural immunity from prior infection is more robust than the COVID vaccines
It's the 800-pound gorilla in the pandemic. The debate over forced vaccination with an ever-waning vaccine is cresting right around the time when the debate should be moot for a lot of people. Among the most fraudulent messages of the CDC's campaign of deceit is to force the vaccine on those with prior infection, who have a greater degree of protection against all versions of the virus than those with any of the vaccines. It's time to set the record straight once and for all that natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is broader, more durable, and longer-lasting than any of the shots on the market today. Our policies must reflect that reality.
It should be noted that this exercise is not even necessary now that our own government concedes that immunity from the vaccines, particularly the Pfizer shot, wanes each month. With the Mayo Clinic researchers suggesting, based on old data that likely got even worse since, that Pfizer's efficacy against infection is only 42%, there is no reason to even attempt to compare this degree of immunity to the near-perfect immunity of prior infection, even against Delta. It should be obvious to any intellectually honest person that an unvaccinated individual with prior infection is exponentially safer to be around than someone who had the vaccines but not prior infection.
Gaat verder:
https://www.theblaze.com/(...)n-the-covid-vaccines
It's the 800-pound gorilla in the pandemic. The debate over forced vaccination with an ever-waning vaccine is cresting right around the time when the debate should be moot for a lot of people. Among the most fraudulent messages of the CDC's campaign of deceit is to force the vaccine on those with prior infection, who have a greater degree of protection against all versions of the virus than those with any of the vaccines. It's time to set the record straight once and for all that natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is broader, more durable, and longer-lasting than any of the shots on the market today. Our policies must reflect that reality.
It should be noted that this exercise is not even necessary now that our own government concedes that immunity from the vaccines, particularly the Pfizer shot, wanes each month. With the Mayo Clinic researchers suggesting, based on old data that likely got even worse since, that Pfizer's efficacy against infection is only 42%, there is no reason to even attempt to compare this degree of immunity to the near-perfect immunity of prior infection, even against Delta. It should be obvious to any intellectually honest person that an unvaccinated individual with prior infection is exponentially safer to be around than someone who had the vaccines but not prior infection.
Gaat verder:
https://www.theblaze.com/(...)n-the-covid-vaccines
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
Ik raad TS aan zijn hypothese te bewijzen door ongevaccineerd naar bv Panama te gaan en daar natuurlijke immuniteit tegen gele koorts te kweken. Dan mag ie hier ook posten over de bijwerkingen daarvan, als ie dat nog kan.
Wat een slechte reactie.quote:
Ik raad TS aan zijn hypothese te bewijzen door ongevaccineerd naar bv Panama te gaan en daar natuurlijke immuniteit tegen gele koorts te kweken. Dan mag ie hier ook posten over de bijwerkingen daarvan, als ie dat nog kan.
Het kan toch zijn dat natuurlijke immuniteit gewoon voordelen heeft.
Dus in jouw voorbeeld, dan heeft hij Corona gehad en. Goed doorlopen, dan ben je dus redelijk immuun denkt men. Net zoals met een vaccinatie.
Vakman pur sang
Een ziekte krijgen om er immuun tegen te worden als alternatief voor vaccinatie is nogal, hoe zeg ik het, nogal dom, dan begrijp je niet waar het om gaat.quote:
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Wat een slechte reactie.
Het kan toch zijn dat natuurlijke immuniteit gewoon voordelen heeft.
Dus in jouw voorbeeld, dan heeft hij Corona gehad en. Goed doorlopen, dan ben je dus redelijk immuun denkt men. Net zoals met een vaccinatie.
Nee jij begrijpt het niet geloof ik🥲quote:
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Een ziekte krijgen om er immuun tegen te worden als alternatief voor vaccinatie is nogal, hoe zeg ik het, nogal dom, dan begrijp je niet waar het om gaat.
Vakman pur sang
Vertel, wat begrijp ik niet?quote:
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Nee jij begrijpt het niet geloof ik🥲
Natuurlijke immuniteit gaat ook samen met flinke nadelen.quote:
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Wat een slechte reactie.
Het kan toch zijn dat natuurlijke immuniteit gewoon voordelen heeft.
Dus in jouw voorbeeld, dan heeft hij Corona gehad en. Goed doorlopen, dan ben je dus redelijk immuun denkt men. Net zoals met een vaccinatie.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Wat jullie niet begrijpen steeds is dat dit geldt voor mensen die niet echt ziek worden.quote:
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Natuurlijke immuniteit gaat ook samen met flinke nadelen.
Je kunt ook pech hebben maar die kans is (heel) klein mits onder de 50.
Vakman pur sang
Ik ken verschillende mensen in mijn omgeving die er echt doodziek van waren, en die zijn allemaal onder de 50 en kerngezond en hebben goede conditie. Ik heb het over sporters en beroeps militairen. Je kan het allemaal wel lopen ontkennen, maar het is gewoon geen lachertje,quote:
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Wat jullie niet begrijpen steeds is dat dit geldt voor mensen die niet echt ziek worden.
Je kunt ook pech hebben maar die kans is (heel) klein mits onder de 50.
Ik ken 100en zo niet duizenden mensen die Corona gehad hebben. Zoals al mijn collega’s van n niemand had er echt last van.quote:
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Ik ken verschillende mensen in mijn omgeving die er echt doodziek van waren, en die zijn allemaal onder de 50 en kerngezond en hebben goede conditie. Ik heb het over sporters en beroeps militairen. Je kan het allemaal wel lopen ontkennen, maar het is gewoon geen lachertje,
Heb ook een oudere dikkere buurman die moest naar de IC.
Maar wat iedeeen ook meemaakt het gaat om de statistieken, als je echt jong en gezond bent, zoek het op en je bent beschermd voor het leven.
Niet leuk voor de mensen die diehard believers zijn in d narco industrie.
Vakman pur sang
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Ik ken 100en zo niet duizenden mensen die Corona gehad hebben.
SUUUUURE
Ja ik ken veel mensen en via via nog meer mensen zoals 300 collega’s en daarvan weer op onderaannemers, vrienden, kennissen, de aannemer die mijn huis doet met al zijn onderaannemers. Je praat weleens met mensen niet?quote:
Vakman pur sang
En zijn in NL 1,9 Miljoen mensen positief getest op corona, dat is 12,2% van de bevolking, dus als jij duizenden (laten we zeggen 2000) mensen met corona hebt gesproken heb je in de afgelopen slordige 500 dagen 16,200 verschillende mensen gesproken, dat zijn er iets meer dan 32 per dag, en let wel 32 UNIEKE mensen per dag. Niet meegenomen de mensen die je vaker spreekt dan 1 keer in 500 dagen, die tellen ook maar 1 keer mee.quote:
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Ja ik ken veel mensen en via via nog meer mensen zoals 300 collega’s en daarvan weer op onderaannemers, vrienden, kennissen, de aannemer die mijn huis doet met al zijn onderaannemers. Je praat weleens met mensen niet?
Ja het is wat he?quote:
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En zijn in NL 1,9 Miljoen mensen positief getest op corona, dat is 12,2% van de bevolking, dus als jij duizenden (laten we zeggen 2000) mensen met corona hebt gesproken heb je in de afgelopen slordige 500 dagen 16,200 verschillende mensen gesproken, dat zijn er iets meer dan 32 per dag, en let wel 32 UNIEKE mensen per dag. Niet meegenomen de mensen die je vaker spreekt dan 1 keer in 500 dagen, die tellen ook maar 1 keer mee.
Vakman pur sang
Dat weet je natuurlijk pas achteraf.quote:
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Wat jullie niet begrijpen steeds is dat dit geldt voor mensen die niet echt ziek worden.
Je kunt ook pech hebben maar die kans is (heel) klein mits onder de 50.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Nee, voor de vele mensen die al Corona gehad hebben he? De vergeten groep.quote:
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Dat weet je natuurlijk pas achteraf.
Vakman pur sang
Maar heeft wat meer voordelen.imo. Ik leef nog!quote:
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Natuurlijke immuniteit gaat ook samen met flinke nadelen.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Of de vergeten griep.quote:
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Nee, voor de vele mensen die al Corona gehad hebben he? De vergeten groep.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Die mensen weten ook pas achteraf hoe dat af is gelopen. En hoezo is die groep vergeten?quote:
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Nee, voor de vele mensen die al Corona gehad hebben he? De vergeten groep.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
CDC Finds Over 83 Percent of Americans Had COVID Antibodies Before Delta Surge
More than 83 percent of Americans had COVID-19 antibodies before the surge of the Delta variant began, according to a new study of blood sample specimens by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
The CDC released the findings of the study on Thursday and noted that the percentage of the U.S. population with COVID antibodies increased significantly after the vaccine rollout began.
The Delta variant has seen a surge in cases in the U.S. and though it is difficult to know with certainty when the first Delta cases hit the country, reports indicate the variant was in the U.S. by May at the latest.
The CDC tweeted on Thursday: "Data from blood donations show Americans with COVID-19 antibodies increased from 20.5% to 83.3% after the rollout of #COVID19 vaccines."
"CDC is learning more about how many people need antibodies before the population can be considered protected," the agency said.
The CDC shared a graphic showing that the percentage of Americans with antibodies from vaccination has increased from 4.6 percent in January to 63.1 percent in May. By contrast, the percentage of people without antibodies has fallen from 79.5 percent to 16.7 percent.
The study examined 1,443,519 blood donation specimens "from a catchment area representing 74% of the US population" between July 2020 and May 2021.
https://www.newsweek.com/(...)-delta-surge-1625738
More than 83 percent of Americans had COVID-19 antibodies before the surge of the Delta variant began, according to a new study of blood sample specimens by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
The CDC released the findings of the study on Thursday and noted that the percentage of the U.S. population with COVID antibodies increased significantly after the vaccine rollout began.
The Delta variant has seen a surge in cases in the U.S. and though it is difficult to know with certainty when the first Delta cases hit the country, reports indicate the variant was in the U.S. by May at the latest.
The CDC tweeted on Thursday: "Data from blood donations show Americans with COVID-19 antibodies increased from 20.5% to 83.3% after the rollout of #COVID19 vaccines."
"CDC is learning more about how many people need antibodies before the population can be considered protected," the agency said.
The CDC shared a graphic showing that the percentage of Americans with antibodies from vaccination has increased from 4.6 percent in January to 63.1 percent in May. By contrast, the percentage of people without antibodies has fallen from 79.5 percent to 16.7 percent.
The study examined 1,443,519 blood donation specimens "from a catchment area representing 74% of the US population" between July 2020 and May 2021.
https://www.newsweek.com/(...)-delta-surge-1625738
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine—but vaccination remains vital
Israelis who had an infection were more protected against the Delta coronavirus variant than those who had an already highly effective COVID-19 vaccine
The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.
The study demonstrates the power of the human immune system, but infectious disease experts emphasized that this vaccine and others for COVID-19 nonetheless remain highly protective against severe disease and death. And they caution that intentional infection among unvaccinated people would be extremely risky. “What we don’t want people to say is: ‘All right, I should go out and get infected, I should have an infection party,’” says Michel Nussenzweig, an immunologist at Rockefeller University who researches the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 and was not involved in the study. “Because somebody could die.”
Gaat verder:
https://www.science.org/c(...)nation-remains-vital
Israelis who had an infection were more protected against the Delta coronavirus variant than those who had an already highly effective COVID-19 vaccine
The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.
The study demonstrates the power of the human immune system, but infectious disease experts emphasized that this vaccine and others for COVID-19 nonetheless remain highly protective against severe disease and death. And they caution that intentional infection among unvaccinated people would be extremely risky. “What we don’t want people to say is: ‘All right, I should go out and get infected, I should have an infection party,’” says Michel Nussenzweig, an immunologist at Rockefeller University who researches the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 and was not involved in the study. “Because somebody could die.”
Gaat verder:
https://www.science.org/c(...)nation-remains-vital
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
Dit is fake news, iedereen gaat dit virus uiteindelijk oplopen, misschien overleef je het, misschien niet, je hoeft je niet te laten vaccineren, uiteindelijk loop je het toch op, of heb je al opgelopen.quote:
Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine—but vaccination remains vital
Israelis who had an infection were more protected against the Delta coronavirus variant than those who had an already highly effective COVID-19 vaccine
The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.
The study demonstrates the power of the human immune system, but infectious disease experts emphasized that this vaccine and others for COVID-19 nonetheless remain highly protective against severe disease and death. And they caution that intentional infection among unvaccinated people would be extremely risky. “What we don’t want people to say is: ‘All right, I should go out and get infected, I should have an infection party,’” says Michel Nussenzweig, an immunologist at Rockefeller University who researches the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 and was not involved in the study. “Because somebody could die.”
Gaat verder:
https://www.science.org/c(...)nation-remains-vital
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Dit is fake news, iedereen gaat dit virus uiteindelijk oplopen, misschien overleef je het, misschien niet, je hoeft je niet te laten vaccineren, uiteindelijk loop je het toch op, of heb je al opgelopen.
"Het enkele feit dat de gewasbeschermingsmiddelen zijn toegelaten, geeft in ieder geval geen garantie op het ontbreken van met name een uitgesteld schadelijk effect op de gezondheid van mensen."
Lol.. Bijzonder die druk nog op gezondheidzorg...quote:
CDC Finds Over 83 Percent of Americans Had COVID Antibodies Before Delta Surge
More than 83 percent of Americans had COVID-19 antibodies before the surge of the Delta variant began, according to a new study of blood sample specimens by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
The CDC released the findings of the study on Thursday and noted that the percentage of the U.S. population with COVID antibodies increased significantly after the vaccine rollout began.
The Delta variant has seen a surge in cases in the U.S. and though it is difficult to know with certainty when the first Delta cases hit the country, reports indicate the variant was in the U.S. by May at the latest.
The CDC tweeted on Thursday: "Data from blood donations show Americans with COVID-19 antibodies increased from 20.5% to 83.3% after the rollout of #COVID19 vaccines."
"CDC is learning more about how many people need antibodies before the population can be considered protected," the agency said.
The CDC shared a graphic showing that the percentage of Americans with antibodies from vaccination has increased from 4.6 percent in January to 63.1 percent in May. By contrast, the percentage of people without antibodies has fallen from 79.5 percent to 16.7 percent.
The study examined 1,443,519 blood donation specimens "from a catchment area representing 74% of the US population" between July 2020 and May 2021.
https://www.newsweek.com/(...)-delta-surge-1625738
"Het enkele feit dat de gewasbeschermingsmiddelen zijn toegelaten, geeft in ieder geval geen garantie op het ontbreken van met name een uitgesteld schadelijk effect op de gezondheid van mensen."
Misschien overleef je het?quote:
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Dit is fake news, iedereen gaat dit virus uiteindelijk oplopen, misschien overleef je het, misschien niet, je hoeft je niet te laten vaccineren, uiteindelijk loop je het toch op, of heb je al opgelopen.
Met aan zekerheid grenzende waarschijnlijkheid overleef je het, met hooguit wat koorts.
Charlie: How's it going in there?
Alan: Whatever happened to zippers? I miss zippers.
Charlie: I don't know, Alan, maybe there were too many injuries. Nobody ever got their balls caught in a buttonhole
Alan: Whatever happened to zippers? I miss zippers.
Charlie: I don't know, Alan, maybe there were too many injuries. Nobody ever got their balls caught in a buttonhole
Vreemd dat er dan nog zoveel besmet waren ziek werden en overleden.quote:
CDC Finds Over 83 Percent of Americans Had COVID Antibodies Before Delta Surge
More than 83 percent of Americans had COVID-19 antibodies before the surge of the Delta variant began, according to a new study of blood sample specimens by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
The CDC released the findings of the study on Thursday and noted that the percentage of the U.S. population with COVID antibodies increased significantly after the vaccine rollout began.
The Delta variant has seen a surge in cases in the U.S. and though it is difficult to know with certainty when the first Delta cases hit the country, reports indicate the variant was in the U.S. by May at the latest.
The CDC tweeted on Thursday: "Data from blood donations show Americans with COVID-19 antibodies increased from 20.5% to 83.3% after the rollout of #COVID19 vaccines."
"CDC is learning more about how many people need antibodies before the population can be considered protected," the agency said.
The CDC shared a graphic showing that the percentage of Americans with antibodies from vaccination has increased from 4.6 percent in January to 63.1 percent in May. By contrast, the percentage of people without antibodies has fallen from 79.5 percent to 16.7 percent.
The study examined 1,443,519 blood donation specimens "from a catchment area representing 74% of the US population" between July 2020 and May 2021.
https://www.newsweek.com/(...)-delta-surge-1625738
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Statistisch wel maar de mensen waarvan ik weet dat ze positief waren, meeste hoor ik via HR input, zitten in de leeftijds categorie <50 jaar. Zou dat niet schelen denk je?quote:
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Wat trouwens ook betekend dat je een 16 mensen moet kennen die er aan overleden zijn.
Vakman pur sang
De vaccins voorkomen vooralsnog ernstige ziekte, daar gaat het om. Een naïeve populatie heeft met een prikje een zekere immuniteit opgebouwd tegen het sars-cov2 virus. Een besmetting na vaccinatie zal hoogst waarschijnlijk ook nog als natuurlijke booster werken, maar men komt niet meer op de IC terecht.quote:
The World Health Organization Oversold the Vaccine and Deprecated Natural Immunity
A strange feature of rhetoric during the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic that came to public notice in early 2020 was the odd silence about the immune system. Whereas in the past, vaccines and natural exposure were regarded as partners in disease mitigation, this time they were set up in competition, with all respectable voices pushing vaccines and shouting down anyone who dared break the silence about natural forces.
That propaganda push started 18 months ago but it has now completely unraveled. The largest study yet comparing Covid vaccines to natural infection has produced results that would have surprised no one 50 years ago. “Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections” demonstrates that natural immunity is more powerful and broader in terms of preventing infection – a truism of cell biology known and refined over the ages. This is consistent with many other studies over the past year, as explained by Jay Battacharya, Sunetra Gupta, and Martin Kulldorff.
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Experience with Covid-19 is a textbook case of how the immune system scales naturally to take on the newest pathogens that have always and will always vex the world. The vaccine (especially one using a new innovation rather than a traditional inoculation) for this type of virus – respiratory, widespread, and mild for most – will necessarily be more hit-and-miss, simply because of the pace of mutation and the emergence of variants.
The Isreali study is notable only because of the scope of the study and the precision of the results. Reuters summarizes the study in English:
The results are good news for patients who already successfully battled Covid-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered.
Gaat verder:
https://brownstone.org/ar(...)ed-natural-immunity/
Dit klinkt als een groot succes van de vaccins.
Study: COVID recovery gave Israelis longer-lasting Delta defense than vaccines
The variant was 27 times more likely to break through Pfizer protection from January-February and cause symptoms than it was to penetrate natural immunity from the same period
Natural immunity from contracting coronavirus provided Israelis with longer-lasting protection against the Delta variant than two shots of the Pfizer vaccine given early this year, new Israeli research suggests.
The study by Maccabi Healthcare Service looked at individuals who had either gotten two shots of the vaccine by the end of February or tested positive for COVID-19 by that time.
It compared 46,035 Maccabi members who caught the coronavirus at some point during the pandemic and the same number of double-vaccinated people.
People who had two vaccine shots had a six-fold higher chance of getting infected with Delta than patients who hadn’t been vaccinated but previously contracted the coronavirus, according to the research.
The study, published online but not yet peer reviewed, is the largest of its kind. It doesn’t take booster shots — now widely given in Israel — into account, but given that most of the world is still giving a two-dose regimen, has international relevance.
Gaat verder:
https://www.timesofisrael(...)fense-than-vaccines/
The variant was 27 times more likely to break through Pfizer protection from January-February and cause symptoms than it was to penetrate natural immunity from the same period
Natural immunity from contracting coronavirus provided Israelis with longer-lasting protection against the Delta variant than two shots of the Pfizer vaccine given early this year, new Israeli research suggests.
The study by Maccabi Healthcare Service looked at individuals who had either gotten two shots of the vaccine by the end of February or tested positive for COVID-19 by that time.
It compared 46,035 Maccabi members who caught the coronavirus at some point during the pandemic and the same number of double-vaccinated people.
People who had two vaccine shots had a six-fold higher chance of getting infected with Delta than patients who hadn’t been vaccinated but previously contracted the coronavirus, according to the research.
The study, published online but not yet peer reviewed, is the largest of its kind. It doesn’t take booster shots — now widely given in Israel — into account, but given that most of the world is still giving a two-dose regimen, has international relevance.
Gaat verder:
https://www.timesofisrael(...)fense-than-vaccines/
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
Ik snap niet zo goed wat TS met dit topic wil bereiken. En het is me ook niet helemaal duidelijk hoe hij het zelf ziet. Ook al biedt de natuurlijke infectie betere bescherming, je kunt er niet voor kiezen om besmet te raken (behalve dan met een vaccin) Dat is gewoon iets wat je overkomt. Of TS zou graag zien dat er overal superspread events worden gehouden zodat het volk massaal ziek wordt.
ROBODEMONS..................|:(
De voornaamste reden dat ik weer actief ben op fok is om informatie te delen.quote:Op dinsdag 7 september 2021 19:54 schreef Morrigan het volgende:
Ik snap niet zo goed wat TS met dit topic wil bereiken. En het is me ook niet helemaal duidelijk hoe hij het zelf ziet. Ook al biedt de natuurlijke infectie betere bescherming, je kunt er niet voor kiezen om besmet te raken (behalve dan met een vaccin) Dat is gewoon iets wat je overkomt. Of TS zou graag zien dat er overal superspread events worden gehouden zodat het volk massaal ziek wordt.
Wat ik vind van bepaalde zaken is uiteindelijk niet zo belangrijk. Mensen moeten voor zichzelf nadenken en voor zichzelf bepalen wat ze vinden.
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
'De andere kant'?quote:
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Gelukkig doet de andere kant wel uitspraken die uitkomen.
Als je zo wil leven, zal je altijd het gevoel hebben dat de wereld uit twee kampen bestaat.
Het antwoord op de belangrijkste vraag van alle vragen? 42!
Je hoeft alleen maar even het ziekenhuis in te lopen om te zien hoe goed de vaccins werken.quote:
Nog een studie die laat zien dat vaccins hun werk niet goed doen:
Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant Among Vaccinated Healthcare Workers, Vietnam
Interpretation: Breakthrough Delta variant infections are associated with high viral loads, prolonged PCR positivity, and low levels of vaccine-induced neutralizing antibodies, explaining the transmission between the vaccinated people. Physical distancing measures remain critical to reduce SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant transmission.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733
Het antwoord op de belangrijkste vraag van alle vragen? 42!
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'De andere kant'?
Als je zo wil leven, zal je altijd het gevoel hebben dat de wereld uit twee kampen bestaat.
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Je hoeft alleen maar even het ziekenhuis in te lopen om te zien hoe goed de vaccins werken.
Dit zorgt juist voor een fantastisch scenario: iedereen neemt een vaccin zodat de kans op ziekenhuisopname enorm kleiner wordt en de druk op de ICs wegvalt. Omdat er nog wel een redelijke kans bestaat dat je 't virus krijgt kun je het daarna wat makkelijker laten uitrazen zodat er ook nog veel mensen het natuurlijk krijgen en de kans op nieuwe besmetting nog verder afneemt dan 't al deed met de eerste vaccinaties.
Lijkt mij dus alleen maar een beter argument om je te laten prikken.
Lijkt mij dus alleen maar een beter argument om je te laten prikken.
"Ik heb nog met hem gekoerst"
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