quote:Je mist niks omdat het niet waar is.
Op zaterdag 11 januari 2003 12:25 schreef SliderTPP het volgende:
Wat ik een beetje mis in iedere berichtgeving, is de aanleiding.
NK en USA hadden een verdrag: NK doet niets aan atoomenergie en ontvangen van de USA olie.
Nou, USA heeft daar een punt achtergezet, geen olie meer voor NK.
Dan is het dus logisch dat ze de reactor opnieuw opstarten voor energiegebruik.
Windmolens aanschaffen kost meer geld dan een bestaande reactor herstarten.
N-Korea ging gewoon in het geheim door met hun kernwapen progamma en hebben de internationale gemeendschap bedrogen en opgelicht, in Oktober maakte zij dat bekend dat ze iedereen bedrogen hadden toen heeft de VS de olie toevoer gestaakt.
quote:Hmm, dit verhaal ken ik immiddels ook, zoals de mijne.
Op zaterdag 11 januari 2003 12:56 schreef piston het volgende:[..]
Je mist niks omdat het niet waar is.
N-Korea ging gewoon in het geheim door met hun kernwapen progamma en hebben de internationale gemeendschap bedrogen en opgelicht, in Oktober maakte zij dat bekend dat ze iedereen bedrogen hadden toen heeft de VS de olie toevoer gestaakt.
quote:http://www.planet.nl/news/0,2031,80_1622_1314817,00.html
Op zaterdag 11 januari 2003 14:19 schreef SliderTPP het volgende:[..]
Hmm, dit verhaal ken ik immiddels ook, zoals de mijne.
Heeft iemand een bron?
quote:Zegt genoeg over Joden!
Op maandag 6 januari 2003 21:56 schreef Netanyahu het volgende:[..]
Zelfs Joden die eerst voor de Duitsers werkten en daarna pas voor de Amerikanen
quote:Het verschil is dat dat van jouw een verhaal is en wat ik zeg klopt
Op zaterdag 11 januari 2003 14:19 schreef SliderTPP het volgende:[..]
Hmm, dit verhaal ken ik immiddels ook, zoals de mijne.
Heeft iemand een bron?
Als je gewoon het nieuws volgt dan zal je het ook moeten weten.
quote:
N Korea 'admits nuclear programme'North Korea has acknowledged that it has a secret nuclear weapons programme, US government officials have reported.
The Communist state's admission places it in violation of a 1994 agreement signed with the administration of former US President Bill Clinton, under which Pyongyang agreed to freeze its nuclear programme.Reclusive North Korea is one of three states dubbed an "axis of evil" by US President George W Bush, along with Iran and Iraq.
However, in recent months there has been a thawing in Pyongyang's dealings with the outside world.
Earlier this month Mr Bush sent Assistant Secretary of State James Kelly to North Korea for security talks.
Response
North Korea reportedly confessed to its nuclear programme after being confronted with American documentary "evidence" on the issue by Mr Kelly during his visit.
At first the North Koreans tried to deny the evidence, but eventually "they acknowledged they had a secret nuclear weapons programme involving enriched uranium," one official said.
"By acknowledging that, the agreed framework was essentially nullified," he said, referring to the 1994 Agreed Framework under which in return for halting its weapons programme North Korea was given US assistance in building two light water reactors.
US officials have said that the Bush administration is now consulting with its allies and Congress before deciding what to do in light of the revelation.
Bron:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2335231.stm
Nog meer:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2336061.stm
quote:In Afganistan zat ook geen olie, dus waarom vielen ze dat land dan aan volgens jou?
Op zaterdag 11 januari 2003 18:50 schreef BloodhoundFromHell het volgende:
Amerika pakt N-Korea niet aan omdat er geen olie is itt in Irak. ....en dat terwijl N-Korea potentieel veel gevaarlijker is De enige reden dat Irak wordt aangepakt is namelijk de olie.
quote:Zondebok zoeken en genoegdoening... Nu is het niet meer interessant voor de US of A .... trouwens door Afghanistan loopt weldegelijk een voor de Amerikanen strategisch interessante oliepijpleiding..
Op zaterdag 11 januari 2003 19:50 schreef NightHawk het volgende:[..]
In Afganistan zat ook geen olie, dus waarom vielen ze dat land dan aan volgens jou?
quote:Lees het volgende maar:
Op zaterdag 11 januari 2003 19:50 schreef NightHawk het volgende:[..]
In Afganistan zat ook geen olie, dus waarom vielen ze dat land dan aan volgens jou?
quote:http://www.atimes.com/c-asia/DE29Ag02.html
US's Afghan aid package fuels pipeline politics
Washington's approval of more than US$1.4 billion for the economic recovery of barren and battle-scarred Afghanistan provides the Bush administration with possible insurance for deepening its petro-political sphere of influence along Russia's borders in the form of a revived Trans-Afghan pipeline.No one disputes that America is critically in need of alternative sources of oil from outside the politically volatile Middle East. This is particularly true since Iraq's Saddam Hussein recently, albeit temporarily, halted his country's oil exports to the US. With Iran and Libyan leaders also supporting the idea of renewing the 1973 Arab oil embargo, the White House has no intention of standing idly by as frustrated Americans fight long lines and higher prices at the pump.
Since the early 1990s, three countries around the Caspian Sea - Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan - have yielded a vast reserve of oil and gas. Because all three are landlocked, however, control over their billions of dollars worth of oil and gas depends on the security and economic influence of the pipelines. For keen Washington energy analysts, the recent deployment of US special operations forces to the state of Georgia can only help enforce a Washington pipeline policy aimed at neutralizing Russian influence in oil-rich Central Asia.
Several important transit lines already exist, including the existing Russian pipeline from Baku to Novorossiisk on the Black Sea, which passes through troublesome Chechnya. US oil companies, which have had difficulty dealing with the Russians, and that includes paying excessively high pipeline fees, have previously proposed alternative pipeline routes that pass through Georgia and Armenia. These pipelines would allow US companies, and not Soviet ones, to control oil and pipeline prices. The geopolitics of putting together deals in this region are so complex that only one of seven new pipelines proposed since 1996 has been built. However, a secure and stable Afghanistan offers the US a new opportunity to fulfill its expanding energy needs.
Afghanistan's US-led reconstruction plan includes not only an economic aid lift-off, but also calls for a closer military presence, brokering warlord divisions, and avoidance of any Russian intervention. Now that the Taliban are no longer an obstacle and the interim government is shaping Afghanistan's economic and political future, the Bush administration plans to accelerate the project referred to by some savvy Texas oil men as the new "Silk Road".
It was in early February that Afghanistan's interim leader Hamid Karzai and Pakistan's President General Pervez Musharraf agreed to revive plans for a trans-Afghanistan route for Iranian gas. The next day, neighboring Turkmenistan chimed in by stating that it hoped the trans-Afghanistan route would soon be built with full American participation.
The demonstrative support for the war on terrorism against the Taliban was most clearly visible in US energy company board rooms. Unocal headquarters, located in Sugarland, Texas, was no exception. Board members were elated when the Taliban were deposed; after all, these were the same individuals who had held up their expensive pipeline project a few years ago.
It is noteworthy that Vice President Dick Cheney, as former CEO of the oil-services company Halliburton, is also a veteran of the American oil industry's presence in the Caspian basin. Cheney met as recently as last spring with many of these companies, including Unocal, whose oil investments in the Caspian basin are now languishing. With almost $30 billion already invested by US oil companies in Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan, the suggested Afghan route would cost only one-half the amount of the other alternative which would run through Georgia to Turkey's Mediterranean coast.
"Unocal was part of a consortium that had proposed to build a pipeline from fields in Turkmenistan to markets in Pakistan. That line would have crossed Afghanistan. We officially withdrew from that proposed consortium in December 1998 because of many unresolved issues related to the Taliban," according to Unocal's senior spokesman Barry Lane.
Lees hieronder in een artikel van de Washinton Post wat hun fouten waren:
Samenvatting: door al gelijk te roepen dat ze NK niet zouden aanvallen zijn ze een zeer sterke troefkaart kwijtgeraakt. NK dicteert nu het blufpokerspel en krijgt steeds meer concessies van de VS.
Korea Follies
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4026-2003Jan16.html
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, January 17, 2003; Page A23
The Bush position on North Korea is in total collapse. In less than a month we have gone from "tailored containment" to shoeless appeasement. It usually takes longer.
It began when the Bush administration responded to North Korea's brazen nuclear breakout by immediately -- and explicitly -- taking the military option off the table. This was a serious mistake. There was no need to bluff, but there was equally no need to advertise our helplessness. Not even Bill Clinton did that when he tried to buy off Kim Il Sung nine years ago. Clinton at least held out the possibility of destroying the plutonium plant in Yongbyon.
Instead, the Bush administration came up with a new policy of "tailored containment." One has the image of a nicely trimmed, neatly hemmed, shoulder-padded straitjacket for the deranged Kim Jong Il.
Economic sanctions and political isolation were not bad ideas. Yet when South Korea and China criticized them and North Korea threatened war if sanctions were imposed, the administration took a huge dive. Within days, the vaunted program of nonmilitarily squeezing North Korea into compliance went down the memory hole. You hear not a word about it today.
Instead, we went into high appeasement mode. As in the classic kind of the 1930s, every violation, every threat from the enemy was met with yet more conciliation. The logic for taking the military option off the table was not just that our preoccupation with Iraq would make the threat not credible -- in which case we should at least have said nothing about it, rather than explicitly renouncing it (ambiguity, even implausible ambiguity, is preferable to renunciation) -- but also that the North Koreans were motivated by paranoia and fear of American power and thus would be reassured and more pliant if we told them they had nothing to fear.
On the contrary. When President Bush went out of his way -- repeatedly, in fact -- to promise that the United States would not invade, North Korea became decidedly, aggressively more bold and threatening. The North Korean leaders may be crazy but they are not stupid. They know we're not going to invade. So our public renunciation of force wasn't reassurance, it was a sign of weakness -- not only to the North Koreans but, even more important, to our allies.
When the allies, accordingly, then came out against even "tailored containment," our new line of resistance became: no rewards, no talks until North Korea stops its nuclear program. The Maginot Line held longer than this one. North Korea having expelled nuclear inspectors and declared that it would restart its plutonium reprocessing plant, the administration announced that it was, after all, willing to talk with the North Koreans.
In the very midst of these talks, North Korea withdrew from the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. The next day, it got bolder and threatened to resume testing and exporting missiles, and, just to emphasize who is dictating terms to whom, North Korea threatened "holy war," a true innovation for an officially atheist country.
Our response? On Monday, Assistant Secretary of State James Kelly announced that if North Korea plays nice it can count on assistance "in the energy area." So much for no rewards.
It gets worse. The day after Kelly's cave-in, the president quadrupled the ante, offering a "bold initiative" of not only energy assistance but also economic aid, and eventually even diplomatic agreements and security guarantees.
This goes far beyond carrots. This is cake with the cherry on top. Moreover, it is futile. No carrot or confection will stop the North Korean nuclear program. Hitler said he wanted Lebensraum. He did. He was not looking for reassurance. Pyongyang says it wants the bomb. It does. It is not looking for reassurance. Of course North Korea will take blackmail money, too. Why not? But it will not give up its nuclear program in exchange. Some of us said that when the last phony deal was struck in 1994. How many times does Lucy get to pull away the football?
What to do? It is obvious that, at least until Iraq is settled, nonbelligerence is warranted. We simply cannot handle two military crises at once. But there is a difference between avoiding war and total collapse. We should be talking about sanctions, not rewards. John McCain, calling (with other senators) for sanctions, warns against "fail[ing] to grasp the danger of rewarding threats with retreat and concession." The abject Korea cave-in is a threat to American credibility everywhere.
Giving up ground every three days -- sanctions threatened, then sanctions withdrawn; a pledge not to talk, then talks initiated; a pledge of no rewards, then rewards offered and then quadrupled -- is disastrous. Better to say nothing than to keep moving backward.
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Op maandag 6 januari 2003 19:06 schreef BugsySiegel het volgende:[Femke Halsema-mode]
In Irak is absoluut geen sprake van een dictatuur. Mag ik jullie erop wijzen dat Saddam Hoessein gekozen is door zijn burgers. Ik vind het erg stuitend dat jullie hem een dictator vinden[/Femke Halsema-mode]
Dat kan nog lachen worden in de toekomst.quote:'Noord-Korea werkt aan raketten die VS kunnen treffen'
bron : Telegraaf
COLORADO - Noord-Korea werkt aan de ontwikkeling van tenminste twee nieuwe raketsystemen waarmee het stalinistische land de Verenigde Staten zou kunnen bedreigen. Dat berichtte het toonaangevende defensietijdschrift Jane's Defense Weekly dinsdag.
Volgens Jane's gaat het om een vanaf de grond gelanceerde raket met een bereik van tussen de 2500 en 4000 kilometer, en om een raket die kan worden afgevuurd door een schip of onderzeeër met een bereik van tenminste 2500 kilometer. Vooral de laatste raket zou volgens het blad de VS kunnen bedreigen.
Beide raketten lijken volgens Jane's gebaseerd op de in onbruik geraakte R-27-raket, ontwikkeld door de Sovjetunie in de jaren zestig. Russische raketgeleerden die door de val van het communisme in de Sovjetunie werkloos raakten, zouden de Noord-Koreanen hebben geholpen bij de ontwikkeling van hun nieuwe raketten.
Als de nieuwe Noord-Koreaanse raketten inderdaad zijn afgekeken van de R-27, kunnen ze waarschijnlijk worden uitgerust met een nucleaire kop, aldus Jane's. Hoewel Pyongyang zich nooit expliciet uitlaat over zijn nucleaire programma, wordt algemeen aangenomen dat het stalinistische regime kernwapens bezit of op zijn minst aan het ontwikkelen is.
Gaat het dan in Oktober gebeuren? Ook geeft Kerry aan dat hij een "nucleare 9/11" wil voorkomen. Maar hoe ver zou hij willen gaan? Het lijkt me niet dat, zelfs met Kerry, de supermacht door de knieën gaat voor een communistisch land met enkele kernkoppen en een oud leger. Hoe dan ook. Met de eerste kernproef is ook de mogelijkheid ve diplomatieke oplossing verkeken aangezien beide partijen hun eisen keihard zullen neerzetten, omdat ze weten dat weigering vh inwilligen van de eisen kan leiden tot een zeer grote hoeveelheid doden en een flinke economische strop voor Amerika en China.quote:LONDON, England (CNN) -- North Korea has said a large mushroom cloud seen over the nation in satellite images was the result of a deliberate demolition of a mountain for a power plant.
After several days of speculation over the cause of the massive cloud, North Korean Foreign Minister Paek Nam Sun offered the explanation in a meeting with British Foreign Office Minister Bill Rammell.
"The foreign minister told Rammell that the large explosion several days ago was part of a planned demolition of a mountain for the construction of a hydroelectric plant," according to a statement Monday from the British Foreign Office.
"North Korea's foreign minister says suggestions that it was anything else are lies," the statement said.
Rammell asked that international diplomats be allowed to inspect the site, and the Foreign Office said North Korea has agreed to the request.
North Korea's vice foreign minister for Europe, Kung Sok Ung, said Britain's ambassador to Pyongyang, David Slinn, could go to the site as soon as Tuesday.
"Having asked the vice foreign minister this morning for our ambassador and other ambassadors to be allowed to visit the scene of the explosion, I am very pleased the North Koreans have agreed to the request," the UK Press Association quoted Rammell as saying.
The South Korean news agency Yonhap reported seeing a mushroom cloud 4 kilometers (2 miles) wide over the border area between North Korea and China in Yanggang Province on satellite images Thursday.
American and South Korean officials immediately played down the possibility the cloud was evidence of a nuclear weapons test, with one U.S. official telling CNN it was "no big deal" and could be from a forest fire.
But conspiracy theories were rife about what triggered the cloud on September 9, the anniversary of North Korea's founding.
Pyongyang traditionally uses the occasion to stage events to bolster national pride and show its superiority, and top Bush advisers concede there is intelligence the communist state may be preparing a nuclear test.
The U.S. periodically receives reports North Korea wants to test its nuclear capability, but senior officials say the reclusive regime's plans are hard to decipher.
Until Monday's statement, secretive North Korea had not officially responded to what may have triggered the cloud.
But the nation has come under the global spotlight for its covert nuclear program, revealed almost two years ago.
October surprises
America's national security adviser has suggested that North Korean leader Kim Jong Il's motive for any nuclear test could be to affect the U.S. election.
"The North Koreans would only succeed in isolating themselves further if they're somehow trying to gain negotiating leverage or their own October surprise," Condoleeza Rice said.
U.S. President George W. Bush is holding out for verifiable dismantlement, and North Korea may think his Democratic opponent, John Kerry, would have a different agenda.
"Their immediate goal is to hope Sen. Kerry prevails because they think he would be a more flexible negotiating partner," said Mike O'Hanlon from the Brookings Institution.
On Sunday, Kerry said "a potential route to a nuclear 9/11 is clearly visible" because of Bush's North Korea policy.
One Kerry adviser argued that by attacking Iraq, the U.S. has emboldened Pyongyang.
"They get the wrong message out of Iraq. You know, we invade countries that don't have nuclear weapons and we don't invade those that do," said former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.
Kerry has accused Bush of taking his eye off the ball with North Korea, which the Central Intelligence Agency thinks already has a handful of nuclear weapons.
The White House insists diplomacy is still the best strategy, although officials say the president never takes military action off the table.
Yonhap reported the explosion happened near the site of the Yongjori missile base -- a large facility with an underground missile firing range.
According to data gathered by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI), Yongjori is a suspected site for North Korea's uranium enrichment program.
NTI is a private charity, funded by CNN founder Ted Turner, dedicated to lessen the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction -- nuclear, chemical and biological -- around the globe, according to its Web site.
CNN Radio, CNN National Security Correspondent David Ensor and Correspondent Sohn Jie-Ae contributed to this report.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/1095054974054.htmlquote:IAEA betrapt Seoul op nucleaire acties
The Guardian, Reuters
WENEN - Inspecteurs van de Verenigde Naties hebben de afgelopen twee weken in Zuid-Korea nieuwe bewijzen gevonden voor verboden nucleaire activiteiten. Volgens de directeur van het Internationaal Atoomagentschap (IAEA), die dit maandag in Wenen bekendmaakte, hebben zij vastgesteld dat Zuid-Korea op drie verschillende locaties in totaal 150 kilo uraniummetaal heeft geproduceerd.
Uraniummetaal wordt doorgaans gebruikt voor wapens. Zuid-Korea had dit moeten melden aan het IAEA, het VN-orgaan dat toezicht houdt op de nucleaire activiteiten van de lidstaten. Maar het IAEA wist niets van de productie van uraniummetaal, noch van de drie faciliteiten waar de productie plaatsvond. Zuid-Korea zei aanvankelijk dat het slechts om enkele milligrammen verrijkt uranium ging en dat de regering niets had afgeweten van de experimenten.
Volgens diplomaten in Wenen heeft Zuid-Korea de afgelopen twee weken toegegeven dat het vier jaar geleden uranium heeft verrijkt tot een niveau dat het bijna geschikt was voor de vervaardiging van een kernbom.
Time Asia meldt deze week dat Zuid-Korea in 1982 een kleine hoeveelheid plutonium heeft weten af te scheiden van een bestraalde brandstofstaaf die ze uit een reactor hadden gehaald. Plutonium kan vrijwel uitsluitend worden gebruikt voor het maken van kernwapens en de productie ervan is daarom verboden. Zuid-Korea zegt dat het deze gebeurtenis in 1983 heeft gemeld bij het IAEA. Maar volgens Time had Seoul het Atoomagentschap verteld dat het brandstof had afgescheiden van een nieuwe staaf in plaats van een gebruikte - plutonium kan alleen vrijkomen uit een gebruikte brandstofstaaf.
Net als Noord-Korea en Japan is Zuid-Korea arm aan fossiele brandstoffen en dus in hoge mate aangewezen op kernenergie. Pijnlijk in de IAEA-affaire is voor Zuid-Korea dat het een van de zes landen is die Noord-Korea proberen te dwingen zijn zwaarwaterreactoren, waarin plutonium vrijkomt, af te breken. Toen de eerste berichten over de nucleaire activiteiten van Zuid-Korea kort geleden uitlekten, sprak Noord-Korea onmiddellijk van 'met twee maten meten'.
quote:(CNN) -- Nuclear terrorism is the ultimate nightmare. As the world marks the third anniversary of the September 11 attacks, the prospect of terrorist organizations acquiring nuclear material has become an increasingly serious source of anxiety for governments and intelligence agencies around the world.
It's also the topic of "CNN Presents: Nuclear Terror," which examines how terrorists might get nuclear weapons -- and what would happen if they used them.
The physical, psychological, political and economic damage from any kind of nuclear attack by terrorists -- whether a "dirty bomb," in which nuclear material is mixed with explosives, or a more sophisticated nuclear device -- would be devastating.
"If terrorists succeeded in putting together a crude nuclear bomb and they put it in Grand Central Station in New York, and set it off on a typical work afternoon, within days half a million people would be dead. You would have to evacuate all of Manhattan," says Matthew Bunn of Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government.
Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has spoken openly of his desire to acquire nuclear know-how. Intelligence sources, government officials and scholars point to three countries they fear could be the source of nuclear material for terrorists:
When the Soviet Union collapsed, Russia inherited a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons -- much of which is poorly guarded and easily vulnerable to theft.
Pakistan is believed to have at least 50 nuclear weapons, and it's known that at least two Pakistani nuclear scientists met with bin Laden in August 2001.
North Korea has for years sold ballistic missiles to almost any country that asked, including Iran, Iraq, Libya and Yemen. Experts believe North Korea now has at least a half dozen nuclear bombs. In addition, law enforcement and diplomatic sources say, North Korea has long been heavily involved in a host of other illicit activities, including drug trafficking, counterfeiting and money-laundering. These have given the North Koreans close connections with a wide assortment of criminal networks across Asia, providing the Pyongyang regime with a ready-made infrastructure for any potential deal to sell nuclear material to terrorists.
"CNN Presents: Nuclear Terror" brings together a team of CNN correspondents, including U.S. National Security Correspondent David Ensor, Moscow Bureau Chief Jill Dougherty and Senior Asia Correspondent Mike Chinoy, to investigate whether the threat of nuclear terrorism has grown worse.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050210/D885GP1G1.htmlquote:North Korea publicly admitted Thursday for the first time that it has nuclear weapons, and said it wouldn't return to six-nation talks aimed at getting it to abandon its nuclear ambitions
Diplomats have said that North Korea has acknowledged having nuclear arms in private talks, but this is the first time the communist government has said so directly to the public.
"We had already taken the resolute action of pulling out of the (Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty) and have manufactured nukes for self-defense to cope with the Bush administration's ever-more undisguised policy to isolate and stifle the DPRK," the North Korean Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by the state-run Korean Central News Agency.
Wat denk je wat China daarop zal doen. Of dat Zuid-Korea blij zal zijn met allemaal radioactiviteit op hun schiereiland.quote:Op vrijdag 11 februari 2005 02:20 schreef mr.marcus het volgende:
denk dat de VS het beste Noord Korea voor kan zijn en Noord Korea aan moet vallen.
Als je via de satelliet alle mogelijke nucleair sites zoekt, en in een bliksemaanval aanvalt heb je imho heel noord-Korea lam, voordat ze iets terug kunnen doen. Moet je het natuurlijk wel goed doen, want 1 nuke-je overlaten is natuurlijk funest.
Verder hoef je ook niet al te zuinig te zijn @ noord korea, er is toch haast niets, kan je ook weinig stuk maken. En een gek als Kim Jung Il met nucleaire wapens is volgens mij veel gevaarlijker....
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