'Griekenland verlaat eurozone' #25 Deutsches Diktat

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Op dinsdag 7 juli 2015 23:36 schreef john2406 het volgende:

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Welke landen hadden nog meer schulden?
Die zullen dat voorbeeld dan wel volgen niet?

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Op dinsdag 7 juli 2015 23:25 schreef Confetti het volgende:

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Ho ho, wacht heel even. Natuurlijk zou het beter zijn gegaan als ze gratis geld hadden gekregen zonder te hoeven bezuinigen maar dat kun je niet verwachten van de andere lidstaten.

De Grieken hebben zelf in de jaren 90 en 00 er een gigantisch potje van gemaakt.

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Op dinsdag 7 juli 2015 23:37 schreef Enchanter het volgende:

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Die kans zit er in , maar nogmaals , het is maar een gedachten.
Ik zie het allemaal wel

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Greece's future: In the end Germany, not Greece, may be the biggest loser

Germany is using its size and wealth to compel its Eurozone partners to take a hard line toward Greece but in the end, Germany has much to lose by forcing the Aegean nation to choose between more austerity and dumping the euro.

Merkel’s government has cultivated the notions that the Greek government is run by reprobates unwilling to reform Athens’ finances, austerity is the golden path to prosperity, and establishing a new Greek currency is either impossible or guarantees disaster.

None of those are true.

Entering 2015, Greece had cut spending and raised taxes enough to accomplish a primary budget surplus—revenue exceeds expenses net of interest on debt—by one percent of GDP.

Five years of austerity has reduced the Greek economy to a state of dysfunction. GDP is down 25 percent and unemployment exceeds 25 percent. Private sector wages are down by a similar amount, but Greece has failed to attract investment sorely needed to expand exports and eventually pay its debts.

The latter is no surprise, because the austerity imposed meltdown has pushed at least 35 percent of private bank loans into nonperforming status, and bankruptcy courts are overwhelmed. Even before the recent bank closures and capital controls, credit was extraordinarily difficult to find and small businesses were shutting down throughout the country at an alarming pace.

More austerity—without debt relief—would further pummel the Greek economy and take its debt to GDP ratio—now an astonishing 177 percent of GDP—to even more absurd heights. And when Greece ultimately defaults, German losses on holdings of Greek debt—both public and private—will be much greater than if Germany and other creditors wrote down Greek debt now.

Reckoning with the situation requires cutting Greek sovereign debt by as much as half and empowering the European Central Bank to provide Greek banks with massive creditor of last resort financing—much as the Fed and Treasury did for U.S. banks during the financial crisis.

Neither of those is likely to happen, and either Greek Premier Tsipras signs up for more bloodletting and inevitable economic collapse or persuades Greeks to quit the euro.

Other governments have successfully introduced new currencies. For example, when states such as the Ukraine and Georgia were set loose from the former Soviet Union they replaced the ruble.

Simply, Athens has to issue drachma bank notes and remark bank deposits and exiting loans to the new currency.

Bank depositors would take losses, but the EU restructuring of the banks in Cyprus imposed haircuts on depositors. Whatever workout is devised for the Greek banks as part of a new austerity plan would eventually do the same.

Private creditors throughout Europe would take losses too but with the Greek economy in free fall, those are already inevitable even if not yet acknowledged by private-sector accounting.

The Czech Republic has the crown and Poland has the zloty, and both countries weathered the financial crisis and tough times that followed much better than Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain—all of whom required bailouts or assistance of some sort. That's because a currency that can adjust prices of imports and exports to the underlying competitiveness of an economy simply provides more flexibility than the euro.

Set loose from the euro, Greece at least would have a chance at prosperity, but the rub for Germany is the other Mediterranean nations could follow Greece’s example if it proved successful. Then a downsized euro—whose underlying value was more dominated by German competitiveness—would rise substantially in value against the dollar and other key currencies

As structured now, the euro is undervalued for Germany and overvalued for southern European economies, guaranteeing German export success, trade surpluses and prosperity. Without those weak sisters, Germany’s real competitiveness would be exposed and its industrial might—with a fairly valued currency—might not prove so mighty after all.

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Op dinsdag 7 juli 2015 23:46 schreef john2406 het volgende:
Zelfs als Griekenland de Eurozone zou moeten verlaten vermoed ik dat andere landen daarbij willen aansluiten.

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Op dinsdag 7 juli 2015 23:55 schreef mtk het volgende:
Worst case scenario dat we een Neuro overhouden? Dan gaat de handrem hier juist van de economie.

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Op dinsdag 7 juli 2015 23:56 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Ja, een Neuro die 1.5$ waard is, dat zal de economie doen draaien..