[Centraal] Irak en IS #116

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Op vrijdag 2 januari 2015 23:57 schreef Peunage het volgende:

Wat de Amerikanen deden was geen goede oplossing voor de lange termijn. Goed genoeg voor hun, omdat zij daarna konden terugtrekken. Maar het is geen oplossing voor Irak zelf, aangezien de bevolking nergens heen gaat en met elkaar moeten zien te overleven.

De reden dat het geen goede oplossing is, is omdat het in feite chantage is. De Sahwa keerden zich tegen AQ. Zich keren tegen... dat betekent dat ze elkaar eerst steunden of dat ze zelf ook AQ waren. "Wij stoppen alleen met terrorisme als jullie ons op ondemocratische wijze geven wat wij willen". Je snapt zelf ook dat het gevolg hiervan is dat ze elk moment weer met terrorisme beginnen (ze hebben ook nog wapens en geld gekregen van de overheid/Amerikanen) als ze hun zin niet krijgen.

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Op zaterdag 3 januari 2015 02:11 schreef Montana_ir het volgende:

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http://observers.france24(...)s-used-islamic-state

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Gunmen kill three Sunni clerics near Iraq's Basra

BASRA, Iraq Fri Jan 2, 2015 12:36pm EST

(Reuters) - Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi ordered an urgent investigation on Friday into the fatal shooting of three Sunni clerics and the wounding of two others near the southern city of Basra.

The attack late on Thursday was carried out by four gunmen who opened fire from a speeding car on the clerics' vehicle, police sources said.

Previous attacks on Sunni and Shi'ite clerics have sometimes unleashed cycles of revenge killings in Iraq, where sectarian violence is at its worst since the height of the civil war some eight years ago.

A statement from the office of Abadi, the Shi'ite prime minister, said he ordered security commanders in Basra to "urgently work to reveal the circumstances of the attack" and arrest the perpetrators.

No one claimed responsibility for the latest attack.

Shi'ite militias have been accused of carrying out attacks on Basra’s Sunni religious figures in the past. But two police officers said they suspected the involvement of Sunni militants from Islamic State, which the moderate clerics had urged local people to oppose.

"Initial investigation showed that one cleric's mobile was receiving death threat messages carrying the signature of Islamic State. We are still working to reveal the murderers and bring them to justice," said a police colonel, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Violence in Iraq killed at least 12,282 civilians in 2014, making it the deadliest year since the sectarian bloodshed of 2006-07, when the monthly death toll sometimes exceeded 3,000, according to the United Nations.

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Op zaterdag 3 januari 2015 18:01 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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ah thanks! het schokkende vind ik niet zo zeer die milities dit doen, maar dat ze door de amerikanen geleverde hummers gebruiken. dat isis de hummers gebruikt was nooit de bedoeling geweest, immers deze zijn geleverd aan irak en geroofd door isis, maar in dit geval worden de hummers op deze manier gebruikt door de mensen aan wie de amerikanen ze hebben geleverd

een wereld van verschil imo

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Op zaterdag 3 januari 2015 20:33 schreef Peunage het volgende:

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De hummers zijn niet geleverd aan milities. Ze hebben die dingen verkocht aan het leger. Hoe ze vervolgens bij milities zijn terechtgekomen, tjah. Alles is te koop.

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Op zaterdag 3 januari 2015 20:37 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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hand in hand kameraaaden hand in hand

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Op zaterdag 3 januari 2015 20:40 schreef Peunage het volgende:

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Vraag en aanbod. Het is Irak, geen Zwitserland. Er is corruptie.

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When millions of Shiite Muslim pilgrims descended last month on the shrine with twin gold domes in this holy city, many Iraqis expected sectarian fighting to erupt.

Instead, the largely peaceful gathering of more than 17 million Shiites provided a place of refuge from violence, with some pilgrims speaking hopefully of an end to this nation's sectarian clashes.

The road from Baghdad to Karbala, 50 miles to the south, was busy late last week, with army checkpoints crowded and the roadsides littered with stands catering to pilgrims. Many had traveled across the country — some on foot — the week before to mark Arbaeen, the end of the 40-day mourning period for Imam Hussein, the 7th century Shiite martyr slain and buried at Karbala.

The bearded image of the imam, a key figure in the historic split between Shiite and Sunni Muslims, is everywhere in Baghdad these days: on signs, flags, billboards and banners posted in residential neighborhoods, outside businesses, police stations, even the morgue.

Those flags also flew last week from roadside stands along the highway south. Nearby buildings pocked with bullet holes were a reminder that a few years ago this area was known as the "Triangle of Death," the scene of fierce battles between the U.S. military and insurgents.

In the Euphrates Valley farming town of Jurf Nasr, 40 miles south of Baghdad, more images of Imam Hussein appeared, as well as billboards honoring hometown heroes killed battling the Islamic State insurgent group. Baghdad has remained relatively peaceful in recent weeks, but here in the belt of towns surrounding the capital, Iraqi forces and Shiite militias are still fighting the Sunni extremists who seized large sections of Iraq during the summer.

Jurf Nasr was once a Sunni town known as Jurf Sakhr, or "rocky bank," a haven for militants. But for the Ashura holiday during the fall, with Islamic State threatening to slaughter Shiite pilgrims as they passed through town toward Karbala, Iraqi security forces and Shiite militias launched a two-day assault that chased Sunni families away and left the town a battered and burned outpost. The government renamed the town Jurf Nasr, "the bank of victory."

On the far side of the Baghdad Belt, Karbala is thriving. There's a new mall, high-rise hotels and signs advertising expensive developments. The shrine is expanding, as is the one in the nearby Shiite holy city of Najaf.

Scores of pilgrims and residents filled the courtyard between the gold domes last week, the women wearing the required head scarves and ankle length gowns, or abayas. Many families slipped off their shoes to sit together on massive rugs, picnicking on falafel and sticky coconut sweets from nearby stands as their children played.

Nahedh Shaheed, 38, said he and his Shiite family were forced to flee to Karbala nine years ago from Baghdad's mixed sect neighborhood of Dora after his brother was shot and killed. They still own a house in the capital, but the area is now mostly Sunni and he is afraid to return.

"We feel safe here," he said as he shared butterscotch candy with his five children in the shadow of the shrine.

Shaheed, who works at the Interior Ministry, said the government can take credit for protecting the millions who flocked to Karbala during December. "We consider it a strike against the enemies," he said, referring to Islamic State.

He doesn't want to see Iraq divided by sectarianism, splitting off into independent states of Shiites, Sunni Arabs and Kurds. He sees Karbala not as a Shiite city but as a refuge for the persecuted.

"I wish religious minorities would come to Karbala — it's safer. We can show the world that Daesh is not the face of Islam," he said, referring to Islamic State by an Arabic acronym. "This place is like psychological relief for people. When they leave, they feel more secure."

Many of those displaced by Islamic State have poured into Karbala, including religious and ethnic minorities from northern Iraq.

Seated on the rug nearby was one of the displaced: Mohammed Khalil, 48, whose Shiite Turkmen family of 10 was forced to flee the northern town of Tal Afar in June after Islamic State invaded. He said their home was later seized by Sunni neighbors.

He knows at least 10 Turkmen neighbors killed by Islamic State as they made their way south. More than 30 members of his tribe disappeared, he said, including a day-old baby and a 91-year-old man.

A former employee of the Health Ministry, Khalil has not been paid in months. But in Karbala, he said, his family found an apartment and support from the Shiite community.

"The people helped us more than the government," he said, "Our government is weak. We don't have hope that the government can get us back into our homes."

Seated near him was Hussein Zaid, 38, of Baghdad, who had volunteered during the summer with the Shiite brigades that routed Islamic State in Jurf Nasr. His captain was among the dead memorialized in roadside billboards.

There have been reports in recent days of Shiite fighters deserting the front lines because of economic hardship, but Zaid said he and others were decommissioned after the victory in Jurf Nasr and are prepared to return if needed. "If they ask us, I will fight again," he said as he sat fingering a set of prayer beads.

Zaid said he doesn't support sectarianism, that he fought to rid Jurf Nasr of Sunni extremists, not all Sunnis.

Just then, a group of Shiite men passed, chanting and praying. Behind them, the sun was setting, reflected on the golden domes. The shrine would remain open until midnight without incident.

Zaid said he has faith that the peace maintained here will triumph over sectarianism in the long run.

"I am hopeful. A lot of countries are investing in Iraq, and there is peace in Baghdad and the south," he said, "We don't want different states inside Iraq. We want one Iraq."

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Op zaterdag 3 januari 2015 20:45 schreef Slayage het volgende:
wat is de percentage van niet shia in karbala?

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Op zaterdag 3 januari 2015 20:45 schreef Slayage het volgende:
wat is de percentage van niet shia in karbala?

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Op zondag 4 januari 2015 02:49 schreef vigen98 het volgende:
Sorry maar hij maakt zich zoooo belachelijk ondanks dat ik weet dat het gedwongen is maar dat nep lachje ook en super slecht acteer werk.. Wie maak je nog wijs....

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Op maandag 5 januari 2015 08:59 schreef Malatyali0691 het volgende:
En waar is stimorol nu.

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Op maandag 5 januari 2015 09:21 schreef Aloulu het volgende:

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Aan het werk....zouden meer misschien moeten doen?

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PetoLucem twitterde op maandag 05-01-2015 om 20:32:22 NEW MAP: Military situation in Al #Anbar and #Baghdad Governorates. #Iraq #ISF #IslamicState http://t.co/Qnp9OKusXi reageer retweet

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EjmAlrai twitterde op dinsdag 06-01-2015 om 09:41:19 320 U.S. troops @ Al Asad air base/Iraq r now coming under mortar & rocket fire from nearby IS fighters http://t.co/c7EgqRm6cn v @Anaminona reageer retweet

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Op dinsdag 6 januari 2015 17:31 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

Battle for Sinjar 'I'm here to kick ISIS out' says 19 year old Kurdish fighter

De PKK mag het smerige werk weer opknappen.

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Duitsland gaat meer wapens aan Koerden leveren

Duitsland gaat meer wapens leveren aan de Koerden voor hun strijd tegen Islamitische Staat (IS) in Irak. Het ministerie van Defensie bekijkt welke en hoeveel wapens er naar de Koerden gaan.

Dat schrijft het Duitse tijdschrift Der Spiegel zaterdag op basis van bronnen.

De Koerden hebben vorig jaar herfst geweren, pantserdoorborende raketten en granaten van de Duitsers gekregen. De Koerden hebben nu zelf gevraagd of er meer wapens en munitie kunnen worden geleverd. De regering bevestigde in antwoorden op vragen van Bondsdagleden dat er een aanvraag is gedaan.

Volgens Der Spiegel is minister Ursula von der Leyen van Defensie vastberaden de hulp te leveren. De Koerden zouden vooral behoefte hebben aan meer geweren en munitie voor de Duitse wapens die al geleverd zijn.

_{Door: ANP}

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Op zaterdag 10 januari 2015 20:00 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:
De Koerden en de Duitsers lijken elkaar gevonden te hebben.

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