Palestina en Israel #196 Hamas terroristisch? Welnee

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Op zondag 28 december 2014 18:45 schreef jamesdeen het volgende:

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Deze observatie deel ik niet.

En nu?

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Dat kan ik niet zo even benoemen, dat hangt af van wat er goed aansluit bij het zionisme. Als het gaat om de vroege geschiedenis van de staat Israel kan je dat wel raden denk ik.

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 01:08 schreef Kees22 het volgende:

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Ja hallo: jij kunt niet benoemen wat het zionistische laagje is over de opvoeding in Israel en je verwacht van mij dat ik er wel naar kan raden?

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 01:13 schreef jamesdeen het volgende:

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Omdat het niet in het algemeen te benoemen is.

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Journalist Chris Hedges disinvited from U. Penn over Israel-ISIS comparison

Former NYT Middle East bureau chief wrote column comparing ISIS' tactics to that of Jewish guerrillas in 1948; organizer says Hedges isn't suitable to speak at peace conference due to 'stance he's taken.'

Journalist and former New York Times Middle East bureau chief Chris Hedges says the University of Pennsylvania disinvited him from a peace conference after he published a column that compared the Islamic State to Israel.

Hedges described the incident in his weekly column for the new website Truthdig, where he writes he had been invited to speak at a conference sponsored by Penn's International Affairs Association scheduled for April 3.

Hedges published the article that got him disinvited on December 15. In it, he wrote, "ISIS, ironically, is perhaps the only example of successful nation-building in the contemporary Middle East, despite the billions of dollars we have squandered in Iraq and Afghanistan. Its quest for an ethnically pure Sunni state mirrors the quest for a Jewish state eventually carved out of Palestine in 1948. Its tactics are much like those of the Jewish guerrillas who used violence, terrorism, foreign fighters, clandestine arms shipments and foreign money, along with horrific ethnic cleansing and the massacre of hundreds of Arab civilians, to create Israel."

Following the publication of the column, Hedges writes, Zachary Michael Belnavis, a member of the student group, e-mailed the lecture agency that set up the event, writing, "We’re sorry to inform you that we don’t think that Chris Hedges would be a suitable fit for our upcoming peace conference. We’re saying this in light of a recent article he’s written in which he compares the organization ISIS to Israel.... In light of this comparison we don’t believe he would be suitable to a co-existence speaker based on this stance he’s taken."

Hedges used his next column at Truthdig to rebut Belnavis' claims, saying that "Being banned from speaking about the conflict between Israel and Palestine, especially at universities, is familiar to anyone who attempts to challenge the narrative of the Israel lobby. This is not the first time one of my speaking offers has been revoked and it will not be the last."

Hedges goes on to say that the "charge that I oppose coexistence cannot be substantiated by anything I have said or written. And those of us who call on Israel to withdraw to the pre-1967 borders are, after all, only demanding what is required by international law and numerous UN resolutions."

He lists the various speakers the University of Pennsylvania has hosted that he says "peddle disturbing racist stereotypes of Muslims and justify indiscriminate violence against Muslims" including Daniel Pipes, Nonie Darwish and retired Israeli army commander Efraim Eitam, who told The New Yorker in 2004, “I don’t call these people animals. These are creatures who came out of the depths of darkness," referring to the Palestinians.

Hedges argues that, "Our universities, like our corporate-controlled airwaves, are little more than echo chambers for the elites and the powerful. The bigger and more prestigious the university the more it seems determined to get its students and faculty to chant in unison to please its Zionist donors."

The "crude attempts to suppress debate will backfire on Israel," Hedges says, calling such suppression a "sign of Israel’s desperation."

Haaretz

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 01:28 schreef Kees22 het volgende:
Daaruit leid ik af dat er kennelijk een schil ligt over de Israelische maatschappij die vijandschap van, en daardoor ook vijandschap naar, alle Arabieren en/of moslims veronderstelt.

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Palestinian statehood resolution fails at UN Security Council
US veto not needed as motion falls one vote short, with last-minute Nigerian change of heart. France among 8 votes in favor; US, Australia against, five abstain

The UN Security Council on Tuesday rejected a resolution on Palestinian statehood, with the Palestinians failing to get the minimum nine “yes” votes required for adoption by the 15-member council: Eight voted for the resolution and two voted against, with five abstentions.

France, China and Russia were among the countries that supported the text setting a 12-month deadline for negotiations on a final peace deal with Israel and an imposed full Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and East Jerusalem by the end of 2017. Argentina, Chad, Chile, Jordan and Luxembourg also voted for the resolution.

Australia and the United States voted against.

PA envoy Riyad Mansour said Palestinian leaders would be meeting Wednesday “and will decide on (our) next steps.” It was unclear what those steps would be, though Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat had said before the vote that the PA could return again to the Security Council, which will have five new members starting Thursday who are viewed as more sympathetic to their cause.

If the council says “no” again, he said, the Palestinians will seek to join the International Criminal Court. They could then seek to press charges against Israel for war crimes.

Until shortly before the vote, council diplomats had expected the resolution to get nine “yes” votes. Had this been the case, the US would likely have used its veto to block the resolution. But Nigeria, which had been expected to vote “yes,” abstained at the last minute, leaving the Palestinian Authority one vote short of the required number.

Nigeria’s ambassador, U. Joy Ogwu, echoed the US position saying the ultimate path to peace lies “in a negotiated solution.”

The other four abstentions were those of the UK, Lithuania, South Korea and Rwanda.

Israel was quick to capitalize on its diplomatic victory over the Palestinian Authority, with its envoy calling PA conduct at the UN a “march of folly” and its effort to win UN support for a peace deal within a year a “provocation.” The Palestinians, meanwhile, lamented what they called the paralysis of the council.

The Ynet News site noted that Israeli diplomats were disappointed with France, which supported the resolution despite its objections to its wording and its failed attempt to bring through a much more moderate version.

France backed the resolution because of an “urgent need to act,” Ambassador Francois Delattre told the council. He expressed disappointment that efforts to negotiate a text that could win consensus failed.

“Our efforts must not stop here. It is our responsibility to try again. Before it’s too late.”

Jordan’s UN Ambassador Dina Kawar, the Arab representative on the Security Council, said after the vote: “The fact that this draft resolution was not adopted will not at all prevent us from proceeding to push the international community, specifically the United Nations, towards an effective involvement to achieving a resolution to this conflict.”

US Ambassador Samantha Power said: “We voted against this resolution not because we are comfortable with the status quo. We voted against it because … peace must come from hard compromises that occur at the negotiating table.”

Mansour said after the vote: “Our effort was a serious effort, a genuine effort, to open the door for peace. Unfortunately, the Security Council is not ready to listen to that message.”

The Palestinians had claimed earlier Tuesday that they had the nine votes needed to pass the latest version of the statehood resolution.

A US veto would have risked angering key Arab allies, including partners in the US-led coalition carrying out air strikes against the Islamic State group in Syria and Iraq.

The resolution was voted on at midnight Israel time. It capped a three-month campaign by the Palestinians at the United Nations to win support for the resolution that sets a timeframe for ending the Israeli occupation of the West Bank.

“This resolution sets the stage for more division, not for compromise,” said Power.

She criticized the decision to bring the draft resolution to a vote as a “staged confrontation that will not bring the parties closer.” She added that the resolution was “deeply unbalanced” and didn’t take into account Israel’s security concerns. “This text addresses the concerns of just one side,” said Power.

US Secretary of State John Kerry had lobbied in the days leading up to the vote, calling 13 foreign ministers to explain US opposition.

Jordan’s Kawar told reporters after a closed-door meeting of the Arab group earlier Tuesday that the 22 envoys supported the Palestinian call for an immediate vote on the final draft they submitted on Monday.

The resolution called for Israel to pull out of the West Bank within three years and for the declaration of East Jerusalem as the capital of a Palestinian state.

Channel 2 reported earlier Tuesday that, according to the Palestinians, France and Luxembourg would vote in favor of the resolution, giving them the requisite support of nine of the 15 Security Council members, and forcing the US veto. Nigeria’s shift upset the Palestinian calculations.

The US has insisted on a negotiated peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians, not an imposed timetable. Kerry had held a series of telephone conversations over the last 48 hours with the foreign ministers of Britain, Chile, Egypt, the European Union, France, Germany, Jordan, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Russia and Saudi Arabia. He also spoke with Rwanda’s president and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

State Department spokesman Jeff Rathke told reporters in Washington that many countries shared the US sentiment that the resolution was “unconstructive and poorly timed.”

“Every month that goes by without constructive engagement between the parties just increases polarization and allows more space for destabilizing efforts,” Rathke said.

Britain had indicated on Tuesday that it would not support the resolution. British Ambassador to the UN Mark Lyall Grant told reporters that the UK was not happy with the phrasing of the resolution.

“There’s some difficulties with the text, particularly language on time scales, new language on refugees. So I think we would have some difficulties,” he said in response to questions about the draft.

Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird called on the Security Council members to vote down the resolution and focus on encouraging negotiations instead.

“Canada fundamentally believes that Palestinian statehood can only be a by-product of negotiations with the State of Israel,” Baird said in a statement. “We have long rejected unilateral action on either side, as we believe it is ultimately unhelpful to the cause of peace.”

“The resolution that was submitted to the United Nations Security Council on December 29 is just another attempt to circumvent negotiations and place preconditions on future discussions,” he continued. “Canada therefore calls upon members of the UN Security Council to reject this resolution and instead use its influence to urge both sides to sit down without preconditions.”

An earlier draft resolution was formally presented to the council on December 17, but the United States quickly rejected the text over Palestinian insistence that deadlines be set.

The Palestinians had said they were open to negotiations on the text and Jordan began talks on a measure that could garner a consensus among the 15 council members, resulting in the updated text.

The changed draft resolution, obtained by The Associated Press, affirmed the urgent need to achieve “a just, lasting and comprehensive peaceful solution” to the decades-old Palestinian-Israeli conflict within 12 months and set a December 31, 2017 deadline for Israel’s occupation to end.

A text circulated by several media sources claimed to show the changed draft.

Many of the changes to the draft were semantic, such as the addition of the word “just,” to a call for a solution for outstanding issues including Palestinian refugees, prisoners in Israeli jails and water.

The earlier draft had used the word “agreed.”

The new text also called for an independent state of Palestine to be established within the June 1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital, and security arrangements “including through a third-party presence.”

The earlier draft mentioned Jerusalem only as a shared capital.

The eight amendments also included new provisions recalling that Israel’s West Bank barrier was declared illegal and demanding an end to Israeli settlement construction in the Palestinian territories and East Jerusalem.

Rathke had told reporters in Washington on Monday that the new draft resolution “is not something that we would support, and other countries share the same concerns that we have.”

“We think it sets arbitrary deadlines for reaching a peace agreement and for Israel’s withdrawal from the West Bank, and those are more likely to curtail useful negotiations than to bring them to a successful conclusion,” Rathke said. “Further, we think that the resolution fails to account for Israel’s legitimate security needs.”

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement Monday that if the Security Council doesn’t reject the resolution, “we will.”

The Palestinian Authority was “seeking to impose on us a diktat that would undermine Israel’s security, put its future in peril,” he said. “Israel will oppose conditions that endanger our future.”

Netanyahu said Israel expected at least “the responsible members” of the international community to vigorously oppose the resolution “because what we need always is direct negotiations and not imposed conditions.”

The Palestinians initially circulated a draft resolution on October 1 asking the council to set a deadline of November 2016 for an Israeli withdrawal from all Palestinian territory occupied since 1967. France had been working for a UN resolution aimed at restarting Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations, setting a two-year deadline for success.
http://www.timesofisrael.(...)uncil/#ixzz3NQMoKXuQ

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Immigration to Israel hits 10-year high with record French influx
France tops aliyah chart for first time with 7,000 newcomers; Ukrainian numbers triple as civil war rages

Jewish immigration to Israel hit a ten-year high in 2014, with over 26,500 people making aliyah over the course of the year, the Jewish Agency said Wednesday.

According to statistics released by the Jewish Agency for Israel and the Aliyah and Immigrant Absorption Ministry, Israel saw a 32% rise in immigration compared to 2013, and the highest immigration rate since 2002, when 33,539 made aliyah.

For the first time since the founding of the state, France topped the list of countries from which immigrants moved to Israel this year, with over a quarter — about 7,000 people — making the leap. It was the largest single-year movement of French Jews to Israel since the founding of the state. Half that many moved to Israel in 2013.

“We expect that some 10,000 new immigrants will come from France alone next year, and we will surpass 30,000 immigrants from around the world – and even more,” Aliyah and Immigrant Absorption Minister Sofa Landver said in a statement.

Immigration from Ukraine nearly tripled from 2013 to 2014, rising from 2,020 to 5,840 in 2014 as civil war gripped the country.

“The Jewish Agency and the Ministry of Aliyah and Immigrant Absorption are meeting the challenge posed by the situation on the ground by expanding operations in Ukraine and offering immigrants special financial assistance,” the Jewish Agency said in a statement.

According to Central Bureau of Statistics data, emigration rates are also declining. The figures released in recent months suggest that Israelis are much less inclined to permanently leave the country than they were 10 or 20 years ago, with 2012, the last year for which figures on long-term emigration are available, showing the lowest emigration rates since the founding of the state in 1948.
http://www.timesofisrael.(...)ecord-french-influx/

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 17:12 schreef waxxx het volgende:
Het toenemende antisemitisme in Frankrijk heeft zijn gevolgen.

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 17:31 schreef Aloulu het volgende:

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Hollande maakt er een puinhoop van zal je bedoelen

Krijg je met socialisten aan het roer he. De Fransen snakken naar nieuwe verkiezingen en dat ie eindelijk af gaat treden.

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 17:35 schreef waxxx het volgende:
Inderdaad, Hollande is medeverantwoordelijk voor het toenemende antisemitisme. Niet vreemd dan ook dat ze voor de VN terreurstaat resolutie stemmen.

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 17:38 schreef Aloulu het volgende:

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Heeft niets met antisemitisme te maken maar meer dat zijn socialistische beleid funest is. En ja, joden zijn vaak de rijkeren. Algemeen bekend. Logisch dat ze niet meewerken aan meer belastingen die alleen maar naar dat logge staatsapparaat gaan waar een overvloed van ambtenaren uit hun neus peuteren. Geef ze groot gelijk dat ze hun duur verdiende centen meepakken en migreren. Overigens niet de enige, veel Fransen wijken uit naar andere landen.

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 17:42 schreef waxxx het volgende:
Maar 7,5% van Franse Joden zei dat economische motieven de reden was om vertrek te overwegen tegenover 30% vanwege antisemitisme.

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 17:45 schreef Aloulu het volgende:

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Ja ze willen niet voor ordinaire graaiende kapitalist versleten worden. Krijg je ook een stempel van in Frankrijk namelijk. Begrijpelijk hoor. Maar of ze het in Israel nou zoveel beter gaan hebben.....vraag het mij af. Veel jongeren verlaten Israel weer bijv. omdat het onstabiel is en elke twee jaar er de pleuris uitbreekt als ze Gaza weer binnenvallen. Ook de laatste maanden weer veel gedoe, steekpartijen, doden, etc. En sociaal-maatschappelijk gaat het ook niet lekker in israel. Grotere kloof tussen rijk en arm, en toenemend extremisme. Zowel religieus als nationalistisch. Beter in Noord-Europa toeven dan dus En daar schaar in Frankrijk neit onder nee.

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But when the emigration figures are broken down, a different story emerges. Some 15,900 Israelis left Israel for over a year in 2012, but about 13,500 Israeli expats returned — for a net loss of 2,400 citizens, compared to an average of nearly 10,000 per year between 1986 and 2008. In fact, according to border control officials, approximately a quarter of those who emigrated in 2012 and remained abroad for over a year have since returned as well.

This net loss of 2,400 Israeli citizens in 2012 does not include figures for aliya, or Jewish immigration and naturalization, which contributed another 18,000 new citizens in 2012. In other words, through migration alone, Israel gained over 15,000 citizen-residents that year.

CBS officials noted that Israel’s emigration rates are low even when compared to other OECD member countries, according to The Marker, an Israeli business journal, with an average of less then one emigrant per 1,000 citizens.

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The figures suggest that Israelis are much less inclined to permanently leave the country than they were ten or twenty years ago, with 2012, the last year for which figures on long-term emigration are available, showing the lowest emigration rates since the founding of the state in 1948.

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“There is definitely an increase in the number of applicants in the last month. There’s always an increase in the number of applications at times of crisis,” says attorney Dan Assan, who specializes in obtaining German and Austrian citizenship for Israeli residents. “While the increase right now isn’t dramatic, we’re talking about an increase of several dozen percentages, but this is the immediate effect of war. The decision to emigrate from the country and to start a complicated process of obtaining foreign citizenship is long and complex. It could be that we will see the real impact of the war in Gaza on Israeli migration to Europe only a long time from now.”

Attorney Julie Daniel, who deals with acquiring French citizenship, claims that applications for foreign citizenship have been rising steadily and continuously, not just in a time of war. She says, “In the last month I heard from 46 families, most of them from southern Israel, of Tunisian or Algerian background. Each family consists of around 20 people.” Last year, she says, she renewed citizenship for about a hundred Israeli families.

A December 2012 article in the Israeli daily Haaretz claimed that 37% of Israelis were then considering migrating from Israel. The article mentioned a study conducted at Tel Aviv University, according to which in 2007 more than 100,000 Israelis held European citizenship — an increase of 100% since 2000. In a March 2013 article in the Israeli economic daily The Marker, the number of holders of European citizenship was estimated at 150,000. “Maybe it’s not politically correct to say so, but the Ashkenazim, who were once represented by the country, have come to be only a sector [within the population],” researcher and lecturer Noam Manella was quoted in Haaretz. “Many Ashkenazim joke that ‘we have become an insignificant minority,’ and thus people ask themselves, what connects me to this place?”

al-monitor.com

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 18:02 schreef Aloulu het volgende:
Waarom woon je zelf eigenlijk niet in Israel?

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 18:11 schreef waxxx het volgende:
Tijdelijk niet vanwege redenen die ik niet publiekelijk op het internet gooi, in ieder geval niet vanwege financiële redenen of het terrorisme.

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Maar goed, dat er veel Israëliërs Israël verlaten of dat overwegen te doen ontken ik niet. Vooral vanwege de economische situatie.

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 18:11 schreef waxxx het volgende:

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Tijdelijk niet vanwege redenen die ik niet publiekelijk op het internet gooi, in ieder geval niet vanwege financiële redenen of het terrorisme.

Maar goed, dat er veel Israëliërs Israël verlaten of dat overwegen te doen ontken ik niet. Vooral vanwege de economische situatie.

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 16:02 schreef waxxx het volgende:

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Erg goed nieuws dat de VN veiligheidsraad niet akkoord is gegaan met een terreurstaat.

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Before the vote, the chief Palestinian negotiator, Saeb Erekat, said the Palestinians could return to the security council, which, from Thursday, will have five new members who are viewed as more sympathetic to their cause.

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 19:51 schreef beantherio het volgende:

Dan mag de VS het "kindje dat niets kwaad kan doen" weer de hand boven het hoofd houden.

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Op woensdag 31 december 2014 20:28 schreef Toga het volgende:

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Dit gaat over een Palestijnse staat, ik zou dus eerder zeggen, "dan kan de VS de Palestijnse terroristen weer terug sturen naar hun rovershol"
Misschien moeten ze eens een oud Hollands gezegde ter harte nemen: [ afbeelding ]