[Yugoslaven op FOK! #10] Mirel cries you a river

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Op donderdag 23 oktober 2014 19:15 schreef Yuri_Boyka het volgende:

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Op zaterdag 25 oktober 2014 20:56 schreef BeavisnKutthead het volgende:

Dansen in de wietschuur...

Iemand van jullie die me kan vertellen welk nummer dit is?

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Bosnian Muslims have many beliefs and traditions with pre-Islamic roots. These traditions were noticed long time ago, an anonymous author from 16th century says that “Bosnian people have accepted Islam nominally and that they still continue to practice their old traditions and customs.” At the end of 19th century, the studies about Bosnian Muslims and Islam in Bosnia intensified. Antun Hangi, a Hungarian teacher who came to Bosnia wrote a book about traditions of Bosnian Muslims, Local magazine Behar had problems with his work saying that he was not a Muslim so he called some traditions Islamic even if they don’t have roots in Islam. The same magazine stared collecting Bosnian “valja - ne valja” beliefs (what is good and what isn’t good to do). They collected hundreds of phrases with origins in different mythologies: Slavic, Illyrian, Gothic and Celtic. Another author in Behar magazine gave a positive review to Hangi’s work but he added: “It would be a difficult but a good work to explore and look at the roots of our beliefs.” During 70’s Muhamed Had¸ihajić wrote two works on this topic “Predislamski elementi u islamu u Bosni i Hercegovini” and “Sinkretistički elementi u islamu u Bosni i Hercegovini.”

Doorstep

Something all Bosnian children remember growing up is the constant talk about doorsteps. Very soon, a child learns that a doorstep is a very special place in house. It is said that standing on a doorstep is a sacrilege and that it brings bad luck. Sitting on a doorstep brings poverty. Standing on a doorstep isn’t good at all, but standing during thunderstorm is even worse. The link between doorstep and thunder indicates the dedication of a doorstep to god Perun, Slavic god of thunderstorms. In a Gornjevrbaska region, the doorstep was considered holy. Standing on it was considered equal to standing on Holy Qur’an. Some Slavic mythology experts claim that doorsteps have a link with ancestors cult. Spasoje Vasilijev says: “Slavs were burying their beloved ones in fields, under doorstep or hearthstone..”

The doorstep symbolizes the border between two worlds humans live in: world of warmth and comfort which is inside, and world of phsyical work and hardship which is outside. Ancestors live on this “border” and they protect people from the bad influences of the other world.

"It is good - It isn’t good"

Older Bosnian Muslims have a habit of telling those to younger generations. It is just enough to say “something isn’t good” and all debate ends. People never check veracity of those; people blindly believe in them:

• It isn’t good to go on a trip on Tuesday, bad luck.
• It isn’t good to kill fire salamander, you will become mute.
• It isn’t good to cut nails at night, demons will come.
• It isn’t good to stand under cherry or walnut tree during rain. You will be hit by a lighting.
• It isn’t good to rock empty cradle, child will die.
• It isn’t good to walk over someone, they won’t grow anymore.
• It isn’t good to cut nails on Tuesday, you will get sick.

Belief in astral twin

Bosnian Muslims believe that every human being has a star. When a baby is born, a star on the sky appears and shines all their life. Falling stars mean that the one who had that star has died or will die. It is believed that number of stars and people is equal. It isn’t good to count stars because if you “hit” your star while doing it, you are going to die. This belief shouldn’t be mixed with those that came from the East (astrology etc)

Baba Roga (Baba Yaga)

Baba Roga is a creature usually described as a very ugly and deformed looking woman. People in Bosnia usually describe someone very ugly like this. In Bosnia she is used to scare children when they don’t listen to their parents.

Belief in fairies and nymphs

Long time ago, Procopius noticed that Slavs adore rivers, fairies and nymphs. In Bosnian tradition, fairies and nymphs are shown as beautiful, young women, dressed in blue or white. Their long hairs go down their bossom and chest. They live in clouds, forests, mountains, near rivers and some of them even in sea. They are very playful and they like to help heroes who love them and respect them. The popular Bosniak epic about Mustafa Mujo Hrnjica mentions fairies. He was hurt in a battle and they came to treat his wounds: “And then the fairy told: Go my sisters. You go to mountains. Bring me flowers! And you go to sea and bring me cold water. So we wash his wounds and make a herbal balm.”

Fairies are often mentioned in Bosniak epics, poetry and folk songs. Well known are “gorske vile”, or fairies from the mountains which dance on very green meadows. It is also a common belief that fairies come and braid hairs of good horses.

Predictions based on animals, plants and nature

Raven is a sign of bad luck; if he flies over someone’s house, someone in that house will die. Sparrows bring good luck, house on which they make a nest is a lucky house. People believe it is a big sin to kill sparrows. Frogs croaking mean rain, when a gadfly can’t keep away from cattle, it predicts rain. When a spider makes net early in the morning, that means the day will be sunny and warm.

It isn’t good to eat from knife, person who does that will get a heart attack. When you spill something unintentionally, that means you will get something. If you hiccup, that means someone is mentioning you.

Bosnian Muslims believe that being in nature, on mountains or inside caves brings one closer to God and for that reason the most of “holy” places for Bosnian Muslims are located thee.

Sacrifice during house construction

Procopius mentions: “Slavs offer sacrifice to their supreme God. They kill cattle and other animals. During the war or hardship, they promise they will make sacrifice to their God if he helps them, and really when it gets better they do it.”

Before, in some regions in Bosnia, horse was used to “predict” the result of sacrifice. If horse goes out of stable, stepping with his left leg first, it won’t be good, if it is right leg, it will be good.

Beside traditional Eid Ul Adha and Aqiqah sacrifice, Bosnian Muslims make offering during house construction. A ram should be slaughtered on the right side of the house so the blood falls down on base. After that, people pray to God to accept the offering, then they eat the meat and talk. Bosnian Muslim magazine Preporod mentions: “When a wall in house is completed, it is good to slaughter an animal for good health and future. One should slaughter a lamb on foundation or near wall so blood of the animal can be seen on those.” Once house is completed and house owner completes the roof, Bosnian Muslims make so called “sljeme”. Traditionally, people bring gifts to workers. They would hang the gifts on top of the house and bless the one who brought them with following words:

"Ma¨allah, Ma¨allah, fina dara. Donio nam taj i taj. Hvala mu, ¸ivio. Sina o¸enio, ‘ćer udo. ´ito mu rodilo, kolo mu hodilo...”

It is also believed that one should keep animal’s bones until thunderstorm and on that day should throw them out or burn them and thunderstorm will stop.

Trees

Bosnian Muslims consider linden tree to be very important and holy. They plant it near graveyards, mosques and it is believed it brings good luck in afterlife. Lighting wouldn’t hit this tree because the Blessed Mother is said to hiding in the tree.

Perunika (iris) keeps house safe from thunderstorm.

Walnut tree is considered to be bad. A lot of times parents in Bosnia tell their children that they should not sit under this tree because witches and demons dance under them. It is not good to fall asleep under it. People avoid touching it ant when they want to take the walnut, they bring long poles and hit the tree until the walnuts fall down.

Elder tree is considered to be good and it is believed that fairies live and sleep under this one. Elderberry juice is very popular in Bosnia.

"Home Snake"

"Home snake" is a snake which usually used to live around houses. It is bad to kill it because she takes care of household. In some places in Bosnia, it is a bad thing to kill this snake even if person sees it in baby’s cradle. Killing it means baby will die.

Alp/Sleep Demon

In some regions in Bosnia, grandmothers or mothers tell their grandaughters and daughters that they should “cover” their heads while they’re sleeping in order to stop this demon/spirit from falling in love with them. This belief has Germanic origin and is believed that it was brought to Bosnia by Teutons or Goths.

Drekavac

Drekavac is a demon and spirit who appears at night and makes loud nosie. People who claim to see him say that he looks like a bear while others claim he looks like bird. Bosnian Muslims believe he appears in spring. Plakavac is a similar demon, it is believed he was strangled by his mother.

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Op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 16:43 schreef Opa_vertelt het volgende:
Valt weinig te vertellen. Hij was mijn (goede) buurman tot ik dat huis in Sarajevo
verkocht en een fikse lap grond in Blazuj (10 minuten van Sarajevo af) kocht.
Dino is een goede, zachtaardige vent. Een échte "Sarajelija" in hart en nieren.
Heb hem nog geholpen met het opzetten van zijn muziekwinkeltje in Sarajevo.

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Op maandag 12 januari 2015 16:10 schreef Mika-Mika het volgende:

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Branimir Bane Djokic - Vesnino kolo - Narodna Kola

Iets met geen fatsoenlijke muziek in dit topic tot heden misschien?

Grapje.

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In February 2014, our film crew made a short web documentary about members of the Sulejmanović family who have been living in the building of the community centre in Brgula, near Vare¨, for a number of years. Two months later we were contacted by a Bosnia-born (in fact Herzegovina-born) Berlin citizen Mrs. Emina Prelle. Mrs. Prelle, herself a retired administrative clerk, was so moved by the Sulejmanovićs' story that she decided to help them. She had found a house with a plot of land and an orchard in the vicinity of Vare¨ and decided to buy it as a present for the Sulejmanović family. In May 2014 we met Mrs.Prelle at the Sarajevo airport and traveled to Brugule with her. Once there, we wintessed a twist in the story which no one - Mrs. Prelle in particular - had expected.

|dokumentarni film| AZEMINA

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Can three comedians from Bosnia overcome the bitterness of the past to reunite and reconcile? Often compared to Monty Python's Flying Circus the comedy team from Sarajevo known as Top Lista Nadrealista or The Surrealist Hit Parade rose to prominence on the eve of the breakup of Yugoslavia. Nele, Zenit and Djuro became household names throughout the Balkans. The wars that followed the splintering of the country pitted each of the diverse communities against one another. The bitter conflict exposed some nationalist loyalties among the comedians and lead to the acrimonious break-up of Top Lista. The split reflecting the broader tribulations dividing their homeland.

Al Jazeera Correspondent - Once Upon a Time in Sarajevo

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Op maandag 30 maart 2015 17:09 schreef DeHovenier het volgende:
Mijn zus haalt morgen dr diploma op van de Uni, en voor de scriptie is ze naar Servië geweest. Nu lijkt het mij leuk om dr wat eten/drinken uit Servië cadeau te doen. Heeft er iemand een idee wat ik dr zal kunnen geven morgen, en waar ik dat kan halen?