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NOVEMBER
* Nov 21: Kiev suddenly announces suspension of trade and association talks with the EU and opts to revive economic ties with Moscow, triggering months of mass rallies in Kiev.
* Nov 30: Riot police try to break up the Kiev demonstration by force. Protest turns against Yanukovich and his government.
DECEMBER
Protests continue with crowds of up to 800,000. Some clashes with police. Opposition forms bloc called Maidan. Yanukovich and Putin meet, Putin agrees to buy $15 billion of Ukrainian debt and to slash by a third the price of Russian gas supplies to Ukraine.
JANUARY
* Jan 22: Three people die in protests in Kiev. EU threatens action over crisis. Talks between opposition, Yanukovich fail.
* Jan 23: Washington threatens sanctions over violence.
* Jan 26: Unrest spreads to pro-Yanukovich east.
FEBRUARY
Anti-government protests turn increasingly violent. At least 77 people killed in clashes between demonstrators and police.
* Feb 21: Opposition leaders sign EU-mediated peace pact with Yanukovich.
* Feb 22: Ukraine's parliament votes to remove Yanukovich, who flees. Arch-rival Yulia Tymoshenko released from jail.
* Feb 26: Ukraine appoints new government. Angry Russia puts 150,000 troops on high alert.
* Feb 27-28: Armed men seize Crimea parliament, raise Russian flag. Militia take control of two airports in Crimea.
MARCH
* March 1: Putin wins parliamentary approval to invade Ukraine, angering the White House. Russian forces fan out in Crimea.
* March 6: Crimea's leadership votes to join Russia. U.S. President Barack Obama orders sanctions on those responsible for Moscow's actions in Ukraine.
EU leaders hold emergency summit to find ways to pressure Russia to back down and accept mediation.
* March 15: Two killed in clashes between pro-Russian demonstrators and Ukrainian nationalists.
* March 16: Referendum held in Crimea, shows overwhelming support for joining the Russian Federation.
* March 21: Putin signs laws completing annexation of Crimea. The U.S. imposes sanctions on Putin's close allies, EU follows with similar measures.
* March 23: NATO says Russia has amassed a large force at Ukraine's border.
* March 24: Ukraine pulls troops from Crimea.
APRIL
* April 2: NATO suspends cooperation with Russia.
* April 7: Pro-Russia activists in eastern Ukraine proclaim the creation of the "Donetsk People's Republic".
* April 12: Separatists take control of city of Slaviansk in eastern Ukraine. Kiev prepares troops.
* April 13: One Ukrainian state security officer killed and five wounded in operation against separatists.
* April 14: Obama warns Putin in phone call that Moscow would face further costs for its actions in Ukraine.
* April 17: Pro-Russian separatists seize armored vehicles of Ukraine forces trying to recapture rebel-controlled town.
* April 18: The United States, Russia, Ukraine and the EU reach deal for illegal armed groups to disarm and end occupations of public buildings and spaces.
* April 19: Separatists say they will not sign deal until the Kiev government steps down.
* April 24: Ukraine sends in troops again to try to expel the separatists in Slaviansk, kill five rebels.
* April 25: Ukrainian forces mount full blockade of Slaviansk. Separatists detain group of international observers, say a Kiev "spy" among them.
* April 26: G7 leaders agree to impose extra sanctions on Russia over Ukraine. Yatsenyuk cuts short a Vatican trip to see Pope Francis, saying Russian warplanes violated Ukraine's airspace seven times overnight. Russia denies the claim.
* April 27: Rebels say the OSCE observers are "prisoners of war" and present them in front of the press, where they say they have not been mistreated.
* April 28: West imposes new sanctions on Moscow. Russia vows a "painful" response. Russia says troops have returned to barracks after conducting exercises on the border with Ukraine. The West says there is no sign of this pull-back. Russia assures the US it will not invade Ukraine.
* April 29: Russia accuses Washington of seeking to revive Iron Curtain policies. Putin warns sanctions could harm Western interests in Russia's lucrative energy sector, denies there are Russian forces in eastern Ukraine.
* April 30: Kiev says its armed forces are on "full combat alert" against a possible Russian invasion. Interim president Oleksandr Turchynov admits Kiev is "helpless" to prevent rebels over-running towns. Rebels storm the regional police building and town hall in Gorlivka. The International Monetary Fund approves $17-billion aid deal for the beleaguered Ukrainian economy.
MAY
* May 1: Some 300 pro-Russian militants seize prosecutor's office in Donetsk amid violent clashes with police. Conscription reintroduced for all Ukrainian men aged 18-25.
* May 2: Ukrainian commandos launch pre-dawn raid to retake Slavyansk. Rebels shoot down two helicopters and two servicemen are killed.
* May 3: Slavyansk rebels free OSCE inspectors after Kremlin envoy intervenes. Two days of mourning proclaimed over Odessa deaths. Fierce firefights around Slavyansk and nearby towns as military seeks to retake control.
* May 4: Kiev vows to expand "anti-terrorism" operations. Yatsenyuk launches probe into security forces in Odessa over the deaths.
May 5: A fresh assault begins on Slovyansk. The interior minister says more than 30 rebels are killed. Four servicemen are also killed. Russia warns Europe's peace is at risk. UN chief Ban Ki-moon offers to mediate personally as the West launches new diplomatic push.
May 6: Russia rejects a German-led move for a new peace meeting. Germany says Ukraine is on the verge of war.
May 7: In a surprise announcement, Putin calls for rebel independence referendums to be pushed back and endorses Ukraine's planned presidential election. He says Russian troops pulled back from border. The new overall toll from Ukrainian military operations stands at 14 servicemen dead.
May 8: Rebels vow to press on with referendums despite Putin's call. Russia conducts military exercises, test-fires several missiles, and says nuclear capabilities are on "constant combat alert." NATO says there is no sign of a Russian troop pull-back.
May 9: Putin flies to annexed Crimea after overseeing a display of military might in the Red Square where he paid tribute to Russia's "all-conquering patriotic force." Clashes break out in Mariupol that the interior minister says leave 21 dead.
May 10: France and Germany threaten to step up sanctions against Russia if the May 25 election is disrupted and urge Kiev to cease "offensive" operations before the vote.
May 11: "Referendums" are held in the provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk. Fighting is reported around Slovyansk as rebels try to retake TV tower.
May 12: Pro-Russia activists declare resounding victory in a twin referendum on sovereignty for eastern Ukraine. The provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk voted on Sunday to secede from Ukraine. Russian gas giant Gazprom gives Ukraine until June 3 to pay $1.6bn for natural gas. The EU ramps up sanctions on Moscow.
May 13: Seven Ukrainian soldiers killed in rebel ambush in the deadliest single loss of life for the military since the start of the uprising.
May 14: Ukraine hosts "national unity" talks based on an OSCE roadmap but rebels are not invited.
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Ukraine Separatists Yield, Allowing Bodies to Depart and Agreeing to Hand Over Black Boxes
KIEV, Ukraine — After days of obstruction, Russia-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine reached an agreement with Malaysia on Monday to surrender the flight recorder boxes of the Malaysia Airlines jetliner downed by a surface-to-air missile last week, and allowed the bodies of the victims to be evacuated by train. - http://www.nytimes.com/20(...)h-investigation.html
KIEV, Ukraine — After days of obstruction, Russia-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine reached an agreement with Malaysia on Monday to surrender the flight recorder boxes of the Malaysia Airlines jetliner downed by a surface-to-air missile last week, and allowed the bodies of the victims to be evacuated by train. - http://www.nytimes.com/20(...)h-investigation.html
Terrorists fired at the territory of the Russian Federation from Ukrainian settlements Dmitrovka and Deakovo. The State Border Service of Ukraine has begun informing the Russian side of these cases describing the real situation. Source: http://censor.net.ua/n294801
twitter:ChristopherJM twitterde op maandag 21-07-2014 om 22:29:55 Asked if #MH17 black box would be handed over tonight, Malaysia delegation tells me, "we have no idea." http://t.co/0oFcUBIyaO reageer retweet
Asked if 
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Goeie TT. 
Op dinsdag 26 augustus 2014 00:04 schreef spijkerbroek het volgende:
Taalverkrachting is een misdrijf.
Op maandag 21 september 2020 18:37 zal yvonne het volgende schrijven:
Ik neuk jullie allemaal de moeder.
Taalverkrachting is een misdrijf.
Op maandag 21 september 2020 18:37 zal yvonne het volgende schrijven:
Ik neuk jullie allemaal de moeder.
De troepen nemen steeds meer gebied in ten NW van Horlivka. Eigenlijk had ik verwacht dat ze dit gebied allang onder controle hadden.quote:Op maandag 21 juli 2014 19:54 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op maandag 21-07-2014 om 15:55:25 #Ukraine flag flown above #Dzerzhynsk https://t.co/xLczKO4vvj |EMPR http://t.co/BPKjt1Ee8V reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 21-07-2014 om 21:53:54 Ukrainian troops take over #Dzerzhinsk, 30 km north of #Donetsk.https://t.co/ZgKoUcNyZF#Ukraine reageer retweet
Ukrainian troops take over 
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 21-07-2014 om 22:10:30 An Ukrainian army convoy passes the village of Zaitseve south of #Artemivsk. https://t.co/4FVfwJWD2q #Ukraine http://t.co/BnsEltElVw reageer retweet
Horlivka is in handen van de rebellen (Hier zit Igor Bezler ). Een stad van 260.000 inwoners.
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 21-07-2014 om 19:53:37 #BreakingFootage Russian invaders fire #Grad missiles from #Horlivka this evening. Possibly towards #Donetsk city.https://t.co/0ZryrGS4nq reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 21-07-2014 om 21:49:38 A Russian T-64 in #Donetsk oblast in action. https://t.co/KHbtdIR2N6 #Ukraine reageer retweet
Slaviansk in helemaal terug in het Oekrainse kamp.
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 21-07-2014 om 22:26:34 Wow! @GrahamWP_UK is back in #Donetsk oblast. Here ppl of #Sloviansk tell him, they never supported the referendum: https://t.co/rCwW9Udoy9 reageer retweet
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The view from nowhere.
En toch zou het me niet verbazen als het leger straks ergens een keer in een 'val' loopt en met een forse tegenslag te maken krijgt. Het frustreert als je almaar gebied moet inleveren, en het leger gaat aardig dus zal vermoedelijk door willen stoten.
Say what?
Ligt het aan mij of lijkt het erop dat Putin zijn steun aan de rebellen heeft opgezegd?
Verder snap ik de alu hoedjes niet.
Dat je de VS en oekraine wantrouwd snap ik goed.
Maar om dan alles van de russen maar voor zoete koek te slikken dan weer niet.
Die russische verklaringen zijn totaal onlogisch en spreken elkaar in hetzelfde bericht nog tegen.
Verder snap ik de alu hoedjes niet.
Dat je de VS en oekraine wantrouwd snap ik goed.
Maar om dan alles van de russen maar voor zoete koek te slikken dan weer niet.
Die russische verklaringen zijn totaal onlogisch en spreken elkaar in hetzelfde bericht nog tegen.
1/10 Van de rappers dankt zijn bestaan in Amerika aan de Nederlanders die zijn voorouders met een cruiseschip uit hun hongerige landen ophaalde om te werken op prachtige plantages.
"Oorlog is de overtreffende trap van concurrentie."
"Oorlog is de overtreffende trap van concurrentie."
Photographs emerge of shrapnel damage on Malaysia Airlines Flight 17
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The pictures on Twitter also show a large amount of shrapnel impacts on what appears to be the cockpit portion of the aircraft. This overabundance of damage to the front of the plane potentially rules out an air-to-air missile attack, as a jet firing a missile at another aircraft usually engages from the rear. Additionally, surface-to-air missiles are traditionally more lethal as they contain larger explosive payloads than their air-to-air counterparts.
[...]
Yet according to James Hackett, a senior fellow for Defense and Military Analysis at The International Institute for Strategic Studies, even though most evidence points to a surface-to-air attack it is still impossible to be completely sure without pieces of the warhead that destroyed MH17.
“Without additional evidence…either in the form of additional fuselage sections or fragments from the weapon itself (such as from the warhead or casing) it is impossible to be more specific in identifying the precise mode of engagement or, definitively, the system employed,” Hackett wrote in an e-mail.
[...]
The pictures on Twitter also show a large amount of shrapnel impacts on what appears to be the cockpit portion of the aircraft. This overabundance of damage to the front of the plane potentially rules out an air-to-air missile attack, as a jet firing a missile at another aircraft usually engages from the rear. Additionally, surface-to-air missiles are traditionally more lethal as they contain larger explosive payloads than their air-to-air counterparts.
[...]
Yet according to James Hackett, a senior fellow for Defense and Military Analysis at The International Institute for Strategic Studies, even though most evidence points to a surface-to-air attack it is still impossible to be completely sure without pieces of the warhead that destroyed MH17.
“Without additional evidence…either in the form of additional fuselage sections or fragments from the weapon itself (such as from the warhead or casing) it is impossible to be more specific in identifying the precise mode of engagement or, definitively, the system employed,” Hackett wrote in an e-mail.
The view from nowhere.
twitter:v_solohub twitterde op maandag 21-07-2014 om 23:30:31 2.5 hrs into talks between Malaysian experts and #Separatists but no confirmation that #MH17 black boxes were handed over #MalaysiaAirlines reageer retweet
2.5 hrs into talks between Malaysian experts and twitter:ChristopherJM twitterde op maandag 21-07-2014 om 23:33:17 It's been a long day for journalists chasing the #MH17 black box. After midnight now. http://t.co/1pOe2KIvMZ reageer retweet
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Nog een aanvulling op post 9.
KYIV, July 21 /Ukrinform/.
The spokesman for the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council (NSDC), Andriy Lysenko, said at a briefing on Monday:
"Force ATO included in the three cities of Donetsk Region - Dzerzhinsk, Rubezhnoye and Soledar. Ukraine's state flag was raised in Dzerzhynsk over the local administration. Ukrainian military locate and destroy the remnants of terrorist gangs in the liberated towns. As a result of fast and uncompromising actions of the Armed Forces a great number of militants were detained and Russian-produced weapons and ammunition were seized. The town is currently cleansed of explosives, weapons and landmines."
He added that near Luhansk the ATO forces had taken control of the strategically important town of Heorhiyivka, which connects roads from Alchevsk, Rovenky and Krasnodon.
"Thus, the Ukrainian military blocked the channel of supply of weapons and ammunition to terrorists who are still in Luhansk," Lysenko said.
The government forces also took control of part of the suburbs of Donetsk - the settlement of Pisky.
"It ensured the protection of the Karlivka reservoir - an important water supply facility," Lysenko said.
He said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces continued to advance near Severodonetsk, Lysychansk, as well as the suburbs of Donetsk and Luhansk.
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ATO forces enter three more towns in Donetsk regiontwitter:RutheniaRus twitterde op maandag 21-07-2014 om 19:22:24 #ATO forces taken Rubizhne, Soledar, Dzerzhynsk, Heorhiivka. #Ukraine http://t.co/w6s7iKoFhK reageer retweet
KYIV, July 21 /Ukrinform/.
The spokesman for the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council (NSDC), Andriy Lysenko, said at a briefing on Monday:
"Force ATO included in the three cities of Donetsk Region - Dzerzhinsk, Rubezhnoye and Soledar. Ukraine's state flag was raised in Dzerzhynsk over the local administration. Ukrainian military locate and destroy the remnants of terrorist gangs in the liberated towns. As a result of fast and uncompromising actions of the Armed Forces a great number of militants were detained and Russian-produced weapons and ammunition were seized. The town is currently cleansed of explosives, weapons and landmines."
He added that near Luhansk the ATO forces had taken control of the strategically important town of Heorhiyivka, which connects roads from Alchevsk, Rovenky and Krasnodon.
"Thus, the Ukrainian military blocked the channel of supply of weapons and ammunition to terrorists who are still in Luhansk," Lysenko said.
The government forces also took control of part of the suburbs of Donetsk - the settlement of Pisky.
"It ensured the protection of the Karlivka reservoir - an important water supply facility," Lysenko said.
He said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces continued to advance near Severodonetsk, Lysychansk, as well as the suburbs of Donetsk and Luhansk.
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Veel nadenken was er niet bij zo te zien.quote:
Photographs emerge of shrapnel damage on Malaysia Airlines Flight 17
[...]
The pictures on Twitter also show a large amount of shrapnel impacts on what appears to be the cockpit portion of the aircraft.
Er zitten shrapnel putjes boven het neusgedeelte van de cockpit ramen, het ziet er naar uit dat de raket schuin van voren kwam. Dit betekent dat het vliegtuig net op de gevechtsradar verschenen was en er gelijk afgevuurd is.
Raar bericht. Dat Heoriivka ligt inderdaad op de weg naar Rovenky. Dus een zeker strategisch belang kan er best zijn. Maar het ligt niet op de weg naar Alchevsk, al was die weg eerder heroverd. En ook niet op de weg naar Krasnodon - geen idee hoe het daarmee staat, er waren eerder berichten dat het Oekraοense leger in het zuidoosten van Luhansk zou zijn - dat is waar de weg naar Krasnodon binnenkomt, maar hebben die stand gehouden? Dus waarom wordt het nieuws op deze manier gebracht?quote:
KYIV, July 21 /Ukrinform/.
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He added that near Luhansk the ATO forces had taken control of the strategically important town of Heorhiyivka, which connects roads from Alchevsk, Rovenky and Krasnodon.
"Thus, the Ukrainian military blocked the channel of supply of weapons and ammunition to terrorists who are still in Luhansk," Lysenko said.
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Naja deels wel op een driehoek die verder loopt in eent weg naar alchevsk
When I get sad, I stop being sad and just be awesome instead.
Het nieuws mag niet al te informatief zijn voor de tegenpartij. Verwacht daarom niet dat je het altijd exact kan volgen.quote:
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Raar bericht. Dat Heoriivka ligt inderdaad op de weg naar Rovenky. Dus een zeker strategisch belang kan er best zijn. Maar het ligt niet op de weg naar Alchevsk, al was die weg eerder heroverd. En ook niet op de weg naar Krasnodon - geen idee hoe het daarmee staat, er waren eerder berichten dat het Oekraοense leger in het zuidoosten van Luhansk zou zijn - dat is waar de weg naar Krasnodon binnenkomt, maar hebben die stand gehouden? Dus waarom wordt het nieuws op deze manier gebracht?
Als ik naar de kaart kijkt, zie ik dat Heoriivka op de weg ligt van Lugansk naar Krasnyi Luch.
Er zijn 3 grensovergangen:
Izvaryne bij Krasnodon (Er loopt een B-weg van Heorhiivka naar Krasnodon T1310 / T1320),
Gukovo (te bereiken vanuit Krasnodon via de B-weg T1311 / T1322)
Dolzhans'ky (te bereiken vanuit Krasnyi Luch via de hoofdweg M03, en vanuit Heoriivka via de B-weg T1305 / T1322 / T1320 via Rovenky)
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Klopt. Op grond van het nieuwsbericht kun je dus aannemen dat de route via Krasnyi Luch naar Lugansk is afgesneden. Maar of de directe weg van Krasnodon naar Lugansk (M-04) ook is geblokkeerd en Lugansk dus echt geοsoleerd is, blijft onduidelijk.
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De M04 leidt direct naar de grensovergang Izvaryne. Deze is in handen van het Oekrainse leger. Dat is de betekenis van het gele rondje (zie de kaart uit post 7).quote:
Klopt. Op grond van het nieuwsbericht kun je dus aannemen dat de route via Krasnyi Luch naar Lugansk is afgesneden. Maar of de directe weg van Krasnodon naar Lugansk (M40) ook is geblokkeerd en Lugansk dus echt geοsoleerd is, blijft onduidelijk.
The view from nowhere.
Eigenlijk is de hele landsgrens nu toch dicht? De grens vanuit het zuiden t/m Izveryne is in handen van het Oekraοense leger, en ten noorden daarvan zijn geen grensovergangen meer en is de grens grotendeels een rivier.
Dan zouden ze nog met materieel uit andere gebieden via Krasnodon naar Lugansk kunnen gaan maar dat zal wel te veel een omweg zijn ofzo?
I.i.g. ben ik benieuwd of Lugansk nu dan snel valt.
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Dan zouden ze nog met materieel uit andere gebieden via Krasnodon naar Lugansk kunnen gaan maar dat zal wel te veel een omweg zijn ofzo?
I.i.g. ben ik benieuwd of Lugansk nu dan snel valt.
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Ik dacht dat de nieuwste frontlinie tekening juist liet zien dat de grensovergangen in het oosten door de rebellen gecontroleerd werden?
When I get sad, I stop being sad and just be awesome instead.
mensen, even een inhoudelijke boodschap
zet een kleine comment bij je fotos waarop het werkelijk betrekking heeft of een bron vermelding, we zijn hier niet rusland
zet een kleine comment bij je fotos waarop het werkelijk betrekking heeft of een bron vermelding, we zijn hier niet rusland
Welke? Izvaryne is in Oekraοense handen en als ik me niet vergis is de eerstvolgende grensovergang pas bij Chervonopartizansk (zie kaartje in post #7).quote:
Ik dacht dat de nieuwste frontlinie tekening juist liet zien dat de grensovergangen in het oosten door de rebellen gecontroleerd werden?
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 21-07-2014 om 23:58:22 Dozens of terrorists in 3 T-64, attacking #Donetsk #airport ... A missed hit!https://t.co/Bkosx4xEMZ reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 22-07-2014 om 00:00:09 Busy tank activity in #Donetsk city tonight. @russiannavyblog invaders rushing to the frontlines.https://t.co/ZxxFI2gAnX#Ukraine reageer retweet
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