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  Moderator / SMsnolleke vrijdag 10 mei 2013 @ 00:56:15 #31
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De vraag is het niveau verschil niet te groot tussen de bagger van monaco en Falcio , Monaco is 2de divisie he...
Ik ben een man met een onverklaarbare fascinatie voor capuchons. Ze zijn mijn tweede huid—altijd om me heen, altijd vertrouwd. Ik draag ze niet alleen, ik lééf erin. Het voelt magisch als iemand er zachtjes aan trekt, een speels moment vol onverwachte connectie. En als mijn capuchon ergens blijft haken? Pure vreugde! Een klein avontuur in het alledaagse, alsof de wereld me even vasthoudt. Capuchons en ik? Een onafscheidelijk duo
  vrijdag 10 mei 2013 @ 00:57:10 #32
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 10 mei 2013 00:53 schreef Nober het volgende:
Misschien gaat Rooney ook wel naar Monaco, die eigenaar heeft maar een paar miljard minder dan Abramovich.
Peanuts. De eigenaren van PSG hebben 60 miljard dollar aan vermogen.

Edit: 32 miljard dollar is het. Even voor de zekerheid opgezocht. Excuses voor deze grote fout. Ziek hoeveel geld er om gaat in deze topclubs, heel ziek. Hebben zowat het vermogen van kleine staatjes gekregen.

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0s.gif Op vrijdag 10 mei 2013 00:56 schreef capuchon_jongen het volgende:
De vraag is het niveau verschil niet te groot tussen de bagger van monaco en Falcio , Monaco is 2de divisie he...
Lees even je OP:
De koploper van de Ligue 2 is bijna zeker van promotie en beschikt met Dmitry Rybolovlev over een zeer kapitaalkrachtige eigenaar.
  vrijdag 10 mei 2013 @ 01:37:38 #34
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Vergeleken met de eigenaars van Manchester City is die Rybolovlev maar een armoedzaaier.
  vrijdag 10 mei 2013 @ 01:39:03 #35
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10s.gif Op vrijdag 10 mei 2013 01:16 schreef Nober het volgende:

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Lees even je OP:
De koploper van de Ligue 2 is bijna zeker van promotie en beschikt met Dmitry Rybolovlev over een zeer kapitaalkrachtige eigenaar.
Ik kan mij herinneren dat Monaco zelfs CL speelde. Er is veel veranderd in een korte tijd. Wie weet zien we ze over een paar jaar weer in de CL.
  vrijdag 10 mei 2013 @ 01:50:53 #36
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 10 mei 2013 00:05 schreef capuchon_jongen het volgende:

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Een land pleuris noemen terwijl het in zijn eigenland niet veel beter is. Budget van Ajax is niet zoveel groter dan die van Anderlecht.

PS, verkracht geweest door een Belg ofzo? Wat een haat heb je zeg
Budget van Ajax is volgend seizoen volgens mij over de 70. Inkomsten sowieso over de 110.
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  maandag 13 mei 2013 @ 17:03:59 #37
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Explaining the Falcao move to Monaco

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You have probably all already seen that Falcao is destined for Monaco. There were a lot of rumors about a potential move to Manchester United, Chelsea, Real Madrid and others - so why does he end up moving to Monaco?
The answer is because of the complicated third-party ownership involved with Falcao. There was a very similar situation with Hulk when he moved to Zenit.
To explain this, we need to take a step back and first see how third party ownership works. Those in England would have previously seen this topic as it reached prominence when Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano signed for West Ham United. Here were two stars from Argentina signing for a club in London who were struggling to stay in the top flight. The controversy lead to West Ham paying compensation of £18M to Sheffield United, and lead the FA to ban third party ownership.
But third party ownership is still alive and well on the continent. It is most often applied with South American stars making the jump across the Atlantic to Europe. The way it works is that investment groups will purchase the registration rights of an upcoming player. This is sometimes done while the player is at a club, and sometimes as part of a transfer.
For eg. one scenario would be that a 16 year old star in South America would be approached by an agent and asked if he wants backing with marketing and making it big in Europe. These deals usually involve paying the player a better salary, hooking him up with a better agent, better management, sponsorship deals etc. If and when the player agrees, the third party owners will then go to the club he is registered to and negotiate to buy his registration rights - either all of or part of.
The player is then in the hands of the management and third party ownership group, who manage every aspect of his career from that point on. That usually involves paying him a larger salary on top of his club salary, placing him in clubs where he will get more exposure, etc.
The other way third-party ownership happens is that the investment group finances a transfer for a player. For eg. Porto want to sign a player from Brasil but don't have the funds, they would approach an investment group and have them stake 50-60% of the deal in return for the players registration rights.
The investment group make all of this upfront investment with the hope that at some point in the future the player proves himself, becomes a star, and can then exit at a very large valuation.
Some examples: Tevez and Mascherano were placed into West Ham by their investment group as a way of getting them more exposure. It worked out well in both cases as Liverpool purchased Mascherano (buying out the investment group and giving them a good return) and City eventually ended up buying out Tevez - albeit via Manchester United (who never owned the entirety of his transfer rights).
Back to Falcao. He was purchased by a third-party ownership group as part of his transfer to Porto. They bought 55% (likely more) of his transfer rights, supplemented his salary while he was paying at Porto and then moved him to Atletico for the purpose of getting him more exposure (likely with an eye on moving him eventually to Real Madrid). During the time Falcao was there, the investors were supplementing his wages again (infact paying most of them) and working on negotiating his big move which would see them cash out.
Porto's financials show the following for the Falcao transfer:
sale of 60% of the economic rights of the player Bolatti to the entity Natland Financieringsmaatschappij B.V., on July 2009, by the amount of, approximately, 1,500,000 Euro, (transaction perform under the acquisition process of 40% of the registration of Falcao)
There is another section where it is disclosed that they sold another 5% option in Falcao, and another section where it is disclosed that there is an option for a third party to purchase a further 10%.
The same filing shows that Porto only owned 45% of Hulk.
What is more interesting is who is involved in the Falcao ownership. The group is called Doyen Sports and it was founded by Jorge Mendes (most famous as Ronaldo's agent, but an infamous player agent who is involved in a lot of third-party deals) and Peter Kenyon (former Chelsea chairman).
On their website they have a page for Falcao and you can also see the other players listed. Falcao, like Hulk, ended up in a situation where there was so much invested in him that it would take a lot of money for the investors to see a return (known as being highly leveraged). They were paying his salary for a few seasons, had floated Atleti some money to keep them alive (they got some shirt sponsorship in return) and had made the initial investment when he first transferred.
Falcao ends up moving to Atletico in a 40M move - despite Atleti the previous season stating that they had to clear players out because of their 220M euro tax bill with the Spanish government. What this ended up being is a 20 + 20M deal. 20M never gets paid because its just the third-party owners paying themselves, and of the other 20M only 16M is owed by Atleti, who take an option of paying in two 8M installments (they were late on the first one, to the point of Porto suing). End situation is that around 60% of the rights are with the Doylen group. It also appears that while Falcao was at Atletico that Doylen took an option for a larger stake in him since Atleti were late on their payments. Something weird happen which involved Doylen taking a sponsorship. Either way, they had the majority stake and Atletico had no say or control of the player. For all purposes it was nothing more than a loan with Atletico having a small stake in his registration rights.
The president of Atletico Madrid continuously insisted that they own all the rights to Falcao, but this simply isn't true.
Falcao is on a wage of 10M euro per year, and the return the investors wanted is 60M euro in transfer fee. This narrows down the list of potential clubs that can buy you out to very few. Atletico had no say in where Falcao goes, they had an option in the winter transfer window, but that expired. The owners needed their return and they were going to get it one way or the other.
The list can be narrowed down to PSG, Monaco, Real Madrid, Chelsea and City. City aren't making large investments any longer, PSG have their fix of strikers. Of the remaining three, it is apparent that Real Madrid didn't want to pay up the 60M + 50M in contracts for Falcao (for whatever reason). Apparently Chelsea matched the 60M clause but to pay Falcao the 10M per season in wages would involve a total gross salary of 300k+ per week, which just isn't manageable. Chelsea also have the issue of not being allowed to directly purchase a player from a third-party owner (apparently this is what turned ManU off a move) so it would have required a two-step sale with Falcao going to one club outright and then to Chelsea. Apparently with the David Luiz transfer on the same day he moved to Chelsea Benfica bought out the entirety of his rights from third-party owners (so you can summize that Chelsea gave them the money to buy out that deal so that they could purchase 100% of Luiz directly from Benfica, thus avoiding the third-party rule in England).
With all of these factors you end up with only one target: Monaco. They have the 60M to pay out the investors, they have the funds to pay his wages of 10M per year and better yet they have no income tax so they don't have to supplement the gross.
So in the end Falcao is moved around Europe by his investors with the only goal of making a return for them. He has little to no say in his final destination because of a deal he agreed to years ago while he was still in South America.

edit part that I missed which some people might not know - Monaco were purchased by Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev, the 79th richest man in the world. Similar MO to the Al Thani's at PSG except he is investing as an individual, rather than with the backing of a state.
When he bought the club in December 2011 they were bottom of the second division in France. He rescued them that season and has now seen them promoted back to Ligue 1.
http://www.reddit.com/r/s(...)lcao_move_to_monaco/
  maandag 13 mei 2013 @ 17:53:15 #38
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Voor 10 miljoen euro per jaar zou ik nog wel in de zaterdaghoofdklasse gaan spelen als ik die Falcao was. Dan ben je geen voetballer meer, dan ben je gewoon zakenman.
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Voor dat geld zou iedereen gaan.
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6s.gif Op vrijdag 10 mei 2013 01:37 schreef Jellereppe het volgende:
Vergeleken met de eigenaars van Manchester City is die Rybolovlev maar een armoedzaaier.
Alleen heeft hij Falcao en Shity Tevez en Dzeko

Ik zou het weten
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Mooie bijkomstigheid dat monaco geen inkomstenbelasting kent.

Alhoel ze bij ligue1 nu overwegen om ze uit de competitie te zetten vanwege dit oneerlijke concurrentie voordeel.
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0s.gif Op maandag 13 mei 2013 17:03 schreef Tarado het volgende:
Explaining the Falcao move to Monaco

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http://www.reddit.com/r/s(...)lcao_move_to_monaco/
Interessant verhaal dit. Goed leesvoer. :)

Ze hebben ook Ola John. :{

Maar wanneer Falcao naar Monaco gaat, heeft hij dan wel weer een keuze?

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JAAAAAA kom naar monaco!!! Diversiteit in het voetbal is altijd goed, hopelijk kan monaco een grote rol in de CL gaan spelen.
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0s.gif Op maandag 13 mei 2013 17:03 schreef Tarado het volgende:
Explaining the Falcao move to Monaco

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http://www.reddit.com/r/s(...)lcao_move_to_monaco/
Erg interessant stuk, bedankt. Wist niet eens dat dit bestond in het voetbal.
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  dinsdag 14 mei 2013 @ 12:05:43 #45
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0s.gif Op maandag 13 mei 2013 18:35 schreef the_legend_killer het volgende:
Voor dat geld zou iedereen gaan.
Ja want de PL, Bundesliga en La Liga, dat is echt pure armoede met weeksalarissen van een paar ton :')
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Wat is dit zonde zeg. Zo'n geweldige speler die naar AS MONACO :') gaat. Ik had hem graag in Engeland zien spelen. ;(
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Falcao kiest dus voor geld of zijn carriere.. Bij Monaco gaat zijn carriere naar de kloten, dat is niet zo moeilijk te voorspellen. Spelen voor 3000 man, leuk hoor :')
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0s.gif Op maandag 13 mei 2013 17:03 schreef Tarado het volgende:
Explaining the Falcao move to Monaco

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http://www.reddit.com/r/s(...)lcao_move_to_monaco/
De Dutch Sandwich zit er ook weer tussen :D

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sale of 60% of the economic rights of the player Bolatti to the entity Natland Financieringsmaatschappij B.V., on July 2009, by the amount of, approximately, 1,500,000 Euro
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0s.gif Op dinsdag 14 mei 2013 12:05 schreef alors het volgende:

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Ja want de PL, Bundesliga en La Liga, dat is echt pure armoede met weeksalarissen van een paar ton :')
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0s.gif Op dinsdag 14 mei 2013 12:05 schreef alors het volgende:

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Ja want de PL, Bundesliga en La Liga, dat is echt pure armoede met weeksalarissen van een paar ton :')
Maar niemand daar wil hem zoveel geld betalen. Voordelig belasting klimaat etc.
De man is 27 en kan zichzelf en zijn familie even binnen spelen in een west-europees land inplaats van de zandbak of koude Rusland.
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0s.gif Op dinsdag 14 mei 2013 12:47 schreef Pleun2011 het volgende:
Falcao kiest dus voor geld of zijn carriere.. Bij Monaco gaat zijn carriere naar de kloten, dat is niet zo moeilijk te voorspellen. Spelen voor 3000 man, leuk hoor :')
Als je dat artikel leest heeft hij zelf helemaal niets te willen.
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 14 mei 2013 18:35 schreef Humberto-T het volgende:

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Als je dat artikel leest heeft hij zelf helemaal niets te willen.
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