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Vervolg op BNW / Lucifer en de misleiding van het zevende dags adventisme
[ Bericht 99% gewijzigd door Lavenderr op 23-02-2013 12:13:25 ]
[ Bericht 99% gewijzigd door Lavenderr op 23-02-2013 12:13:25 ]
oeps Sorry had net toch door hoe ik een ander draadje moest maken. Het is wat! Ik zal ff overal vanaf blijven. Lavender ik vertrouw op jouw expertise als fok-moderator 
Zal ik er nog bij vermelden dat lucifer een fictief figuur is? 
Als in historisch bewezen fictief?
Als in een herschreven verhaal over een babylonische koning, een verkeerde vertaling van het woord lucifer (verlichting, wat weer gebaseerd is op de morgenster = bijnaam van Jezus notabene)
Religie.
Als in historisch bewezen fictief?
Als in een herschreven verhaal over een babylonische koning, een verkeerde vertaling van het woord lucifer (verlichting, wat weer gebaseerd is op de morgenster = bijnaam van Jezus notabene)
Religie.
[youtube][/youtube]quote:Op vrijdag 22 februari 2013 18:46 schreef Kesefkesef het volgende:
Kan iemand mij vertellen waar dit over gaat zonder dat ik dit hele stuk moet lezen?
Lavender is het wellicht ook mogelijk terug te linken naar het eerste deel? Ik ben een zeurpiet, i know. 
Ik ben een zeurpiet, i know.
Wat doe je hier in BNW met zo'n houding.quote:
Zal ik er nog bij vermelden dat lucifer een fictief figuur is?
Als in historisch bewezen fictief?
Als in een herschreven verhaal over een babylonische koning, een verkeerde vertaling van het woord lucifer (verlichting, wat weer gebaseerd is op de morgenster = bijnaam van Jezus notabene)
Religie.
Dan is de wel bekende smiley eerder van toepassing op u.
You have to stop the Q-tip when there's resistance!
BNW / Lucifer en de misleiding van het zevende dags adventismequote:
Lavender is het wellicht ook mogelijk terug te linken naar het eerste deel?
You have to stop the Q-tip when there's resistance!
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people who accepted Christ at that time would have only a few months to prepare for His coming. This is another example of her attempt at “timesetting.”
In Testimonies, vol. 1, pp. 131 and 132, Ellen White said that an angel told her that some of the people present at a particular conference would be “food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus.” Well, they all ended up as food for worms. None of them will experience the seven last plagues, nor will any of them be translated.
•In Desire of Ages, p. 645 she says that Judas had a conviction to confess during the footwashing. In Evangelism, p. 275, she says that Judas did not have a conviction to confess during footwashing.
•In Spiritual Gifts, v. 1, p. 58, she says that the nails went through Jesus’ bones. Forty years later, in Desire of Ages, p. 744, she says that no bones were broken.
•She believed in and wrote about the “shut door” doctrine for several years after the “great disappointment” and then retracted it. This was a doctrine that taught that there was no need for evangelism because Jesus had already decided who was going to be saved and who was going to be lost. For more information on
Evangelism, p. 598, Ellen White said that Satan deceived Adam. 1 Timothy 2:14 (NKJV) says, And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
•In Counsels on Diets and Foods, p. 148, she said that God gave the children of Israel meat and gluttony produced the plague. Numbers 11:33 (NKJV) says, "But while the meat was still between their teeth, before it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was aroused against the people, and Lord struck the people with a very great plague."
•In Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 155, she said that we should never say that we are saved. 1 John 5:13 (NKJV) says, "These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God."
•In Desire of Ages, p. 753, she said that before the crucifixion, Jesus “could not see through the portals of the tomb. Hope did not present to Him His coming forth from the grave a conqueror, or tell Him of the Father’s acceptance of the sacrifice. He feared that sin was so offensive to God that Their separation was to be eternal.” In John 10:17, 18 (NKJV), Jesus says, "Therefore, my Father loves me because I lay down my life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father." (See also, Luke 24:7 and John 2:19.)
"It is Satan's plan to weaken the faith of God’s people in the Testimonies [writings of Ellen White] . Next follows skepticism in regard to the vital points of our faith, the pillars of our position, then doubt as to the Holy Scriptures, and then the downward march to perdition. When the Testimonies, which were once believed, are doubted and given up, Satan knows the deceived ones will not stop at this; and he redoubles his efforts till he launches them into open rebellion, which becomes incurable and ends in destruction.” Ellen G. White, Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 4, p. 211.
“If you lose confidence in the Testimonies you will drift away from Bible truth.” Ellen G. White, Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 5, p. 98.
"Then I was shown a company who were howling in agony. On their garments was written in large characters, 'Thou art weighed in the balance, and found wanting.' I asked who this company were. The angel said, 'these are they who have once kept the Sabbath and have given it up.'" Ellen G. White, Early Writings, p. 37
"God will never, never allow any man to pass through the pearly gates of the city of God who does not bear the signet of the faithful, His government mark." [in context the signet mark is the Sabbath] Ellen G. White, Medical Ministry, p. 123.
"God will frown upon those who disregard his commandments and he cannot bless the church that retains Sabbath-breakers in its fellowship." Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, 1890-06-02.
She could not even use her own judgment concerning those who needed her prayers. Many of us would have been out of luck with Mrs. White as we would have been much too lowly to be worthy of her prayers. Following is a rather sickening note by Ellen White indicating just how full of herself she really was and also illustrating the above attitude.
"One Who Requested Prayer for Healing. -
My husband and I once attended a meeting where our sympathies were enlisted for a brother who was a great sufferer with the phthisic. He was pale and emaciated. He requested the prayers of the people of God. He said that his family were sick, and that he had lost a child. He spoke with feeling of his bereavement. He said that he had been waiting for some time to see Brother and Sister White. He had believed that if they would pray for him, he would be heated. After the meeting closed, the brethren called our attention to the case. They said that the church was assisting them, that his wife was sick, and his child had died. The brethren had met at his house and united in praying for the afflicted family. We were much worn and had the burden of labor upon us during the meeting and wished to be excused. I had resolved not to engage in prayer for anyone, unless the Spirit of the Lord should dictate in the matter ...
That night we bowed in prayer and presented his case before the Lord. We entreated that we might know the will of God concerning him. All we desired was that God might be glorified. Would the Lord have us pray for this afflicted man? We left the burden with the Lord and retired to rest. In a dream the case of that man was clearly presented. His course from his childhood up was shown, and that if we should pray, the Lord would not hear us; for he regarded iniquity in his heart. The next morning the man came for us to pray for him. We took him aside and told him we were sorry to be compelled to refuse his request. I related my dream, which he acknowledged was true. He had practiced self-abuse from his boyhood up, and he had continued the practice during his married life, but said he would try to break himself of it. This man had a long-established habit to overcome. He was in the middle age of life. His moral principles were so weak that when brought in conflict with with long-established indulgence, they were overcome ...
Here was a man debasing himself daily and yet daring to venture into the presence of God and ask an increase of strength which he had vilely squandered, and which, if granted, he would consume upon his lust. What forbearance has God! If He should deal with man according to his corrupt ways, who could live in His sight?
What if we had been less cautious and carried the case of this man before God while he was practicing iniquity, would the Lord have heard? Would He have answered?
This is not a solitary case. Even the marriage relation was not sufficient to preserve this man from the corrupt habits of his youth. I wish I could be convinced that such cases as the one I have presented are rare, but I know they are frequent." (Child Guidance p. 450-1)
The situation in the Adventist Church today is much the same as that of the Jewish Church at the time of Jesus. The Jewish leaders had set up so many impossible rules and rituals that the common people could not possibly attain. Jesus described these people as follows; ""The Scribes and Pharisees sit on Moses seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice. They bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by men." (Matt. 23:2-5) Jesus was very angered by the legalism which permeated His church at the time of His first advent. I suspect He will be just as angry with the legalism practiced in churches such as the Seventh Day Adventist denomination when He comes the second time.
As opposed to the blessing which is grace, the law is a curse upon all mankind, none of whom can possibly fulfill its requirements. While the law itself is perfect and holy, those who try to justify themselves before its holy Author bring not His blessing, but His curse upon themselves. The Bible itself tells us what the curse of the law is: “All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.’” Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, ‘the righteous will live by faith.’ The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, ‘The man who does these things will live by them.’ Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree" (Galatians 3:10-13).
What we must understand from this passage is that the curse is not the law. The curse is the penalty levied for not keeping the law. The Book of the Law refers to the covenant laws that God made with His people during the time of Moses. The law can point out where we fail and fall short of God’s will, but it cannot pronounce us righteous; that was not its purpose.
In the above passage the apostle Paul is telling us that everyone who does not keep the law perfectly, is cursed by it (Deuteronomy 27:26; Galatians 3:10). The reason is because no one can obey the law perfectly. In fact, there were over 600 laws the Jews had to keep to be right in the eyes of God. The breaking of even one commandment put a person under condemnation. Trying to achieve salvation through obedience to the law is futile. For example, we all regularly break the first and greatest commandment by failing to love God first with all our hearts, minds and strength (Matthew 22:37-38). As a result, everyone has broken the commandments, and everyone is cursed.
The law demands perfection—an impossibility because we’re all sinful (Romans 3:10, 23). As a result, all who try to live by the Old Law were under a divine curse. But the good news is that Jesus Christ “redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us . . .” (Galatians 3:13). Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice on the cross when He bore the total brunt of God’s curse. Paul explains how in his letter to the Romans: “God presented [Jesus] as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in His blood. He did this to demonstrate His justice, because in His forbearance He had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished—He did it to demonstrate His justice at the present time, so as to be just and the One who justifies those who have faith in Jesus” (Romans 3:25-26). The curse of the law fell on Christ on our behalf so that the righteousness of God could fall on us, though we did not deserve it (2 Corinthians 5:21).
Vruchten:
Often, cult research is tedious and boring. I am grateful to EGW for being humorous, ridiculous, and just plain silly. Her writings bearing her name are 17 times as long as the Bibleplagiarized or not.
Many of them have to do with her doctrines on health and food.
As an SDA you will be encouraged to become a vegetarian. Ellen indicated that your salvation could be dependent on giving up meat . No meat-eaters will be "translated" at Christ's coming (Counsels on Diet and Foods p. 380).
You won't be told this scripture by SDA's
"...he who is weak in faith eats vegetables only..." (Romans 14:2). (Fun to read to vegetarians).
She taught in Counsels on Diet ..on p. 390 (some editions) that
"...if we subsist largely upon the flesh of dead animals, we shall partake of their nature".
Partake of their nature? This is against God's creation laws of "kind", and Impossible. Also conveniently forgotten is Paul view, "Eat anything that is sold in the meat market, without asking questions for conscience' sake." ( 1 Cor. 10:25). Obviously no vegetarians evident in the early church!
Most of EGW's concerns over diet were in an effort to control what she considered to be an excessive sex drive in the male. She devoted endless pages to discussing "secret vice" (masturbation) and blamed the practice for a wide range of diseases. Here, in "Solemn Appeal" page 12 are a few of the diseases said to be caused by "secret vice"
"...dyspepsia, spinal complaint, headache, epilepsy, impaired eyesight, palpitation of the heart, pain in the side, bleeding at the lungs, spasms of the heart and lungs, diabetes, incontinence of urine, fluor albus or whites, inflammation of the urinary organs... rheumatism, affected perspiration, consumption, asthma, catarrah, polypus of the heart, affection of the bones, fevers, ..etc. etc.
The cure for secret vice was even funnier. The perpetrator was to sit in a sitz bath at as low a temperature as possible. At the same time, he was to have a hot foot bath, while applying cold cloths to his forehead. He was also to wear an abdominal bandage or wet girdle at night "to good advantage".
She concludes, "Cool bathing of the parts affected is also beneficial".
To those SDA's who write me that I must be endorsing masturbation by making this public, let me assure you that this is not the case. Why don't they charge their leader with the same accusation? She wrote about it much more than I ever have! I am merely exposing her silliness in health matters. You'll never hear these ridiculous topics from the Adventists!
Thanks to Ellen White's influence, the Kellogg brothers were inspired to develop cold corn flakes, as hot porridge could "heat the blood" with undesirable results!
She sternly warned against using feather beds for the same reasons, but I found a letter from her asking someone to send her her featherbed! (EGW Vol 3, p. 341).
She also developed a "reform dress" on instructions from God, which was a bulky affair with pants under a long dress. She gave up on wearing hers finally, and so did the other women, after years of suffering discomfort.
Other assorted nonsense included Angels needing golden cards as gate passes to get in and out of heaven. (Early Writings p. 37-39),
She also "travelled" to other planets in her visions, and also claimed to have met Enoch (more necromancy). (EGW: The Early Years Vol.1 p. 114; p.157).
She taught that certain races of men are the result of amalgamation between man and beast. (SG Vol 3, p. 64,75). Which races? You won't be told this one at the Seminars, or even later!
Her silliness extended to wigs as well. Any woman daring to wear one would "...lose their reason and go hopelessly insane". (Christian Mothers, # 2, p. 121).
Well, that's about enough of the silliness. We could go on, but won't.
In conclusion, it is amazing to me that the SDA Church reveres Ellen G. White, choosing her visions, dreams, doctrines and teachings above the Bible. Other women had better run for cover, however, as they wouldn't dream of ordaining a woman in their denomination which is totally male dominated.
Adventists love to quote Walter Martin who was "had" by them as a young man and believed their statements without checking matters out closely, to prove they are not a cult. However, before he died, he made this statement on the John Ankerberg Show:
"I fear that if they continue to progress at this rate, then the classification of a cult can't possibly miss being reapplied to Seventh-day Adventism, because once you have an interpreter of Scripture, a final court of appeal that tells you what Scripture means, as soon as you judge Scripture by that, as soon as you have someone who has made doctrinal errors in the past, even on the deity of Christ and the doctrine of the atonement and other things, and that person is raised to that position or authority, you have polarization around that person".
Christ bore our own sins in his body on the tree according to the Bible. 1 Peter 2:24 says, "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree...". Become a SDA, and it will be Satan who will eventually bear your sins! Ellen G. White wrote,
"...so Christ will place all these sins upon Satan, the originator and instigator of sin...so Satan, bearing the guilt of all the sins which he has caused God's people to commit, will be for a thousand years confined to the earth, which will then be desolate...".(The Great Controversy p. 485).
If you receive Christ as your Saviour through the SDA's, only your past sins, up to that moment are forgiven. Now you must get to work to earn your salvation. Ellen G. White said in the Advent Review and Sabbath Herald of 10-26-1897 this statement,
"...The terms of salvation for every son and daughter of Adam are here outlined. It is plainly stated that the condition of gaining eternal life is obedience to the commandments of God".
Of course, it is the fourth commandment that is stressed, since Ellen saw this one glowing in one of her visions. Salvation now becomes dependent on which day of the week one observes.
Modern Adventists keep sundown Friday to sundown Saturday as the Sabbath, but earlier in their history they kept 6 p.m. Friday to 6 p.m. Saturday.
The rest of us "Sunday keepers" are doomed to receive the "mark of the beast" and lose our eternal life. (The Spirit of Prophecy V. 4, p. 505). They sure don't say this at their seminars!
Christ exclaimed "It is finished" when He died for our sins, but it is not finished in Seventh-day Adventism!
She Teaches Contrary To The Bible On The Subject Of Immortality That Even The Endless Life In The Eternal State May Cease Or Waste Away. She says,
"In order for man to possess an endless life, he must continue to eat of the fruit of the tree of life. Deprived of that tree, his life would gradually wear out. "—Sp. Gifts, Vol. 3, p. 64.
Questions.—
How can an endless life cease? Is not such an idea destructive of Paul's doctrine of immortality.—1Cor. 15:31-54.
If the endless life can be perpetuated only by eating of the fruit of the tree of life, upon what principle has the Devil lived for the last six thousand years? Has he had access to that tree?
If the endless life may fail and wear out, was not our Lord a false teacher when he said, "Neither can they die any more, for they are equal unto the angels, and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.—Luke, 20:36.
From the beginning of their history, Seventh-day Adventists have claimed that they were the remnant church of Rev. 12:17, because they had a prophet among them; namely, Mrs. E.G. White. They have always insisted that they had the "spirit of prophecy" (Rev. 19:10). When those opposed to their views have contended that we have the "spirit of prophecy" in the writings of the prophets as recorded in the Holy Scriptures, they have denied it, and have, in the most dogmatic fashion, contended that to have the spirit of prophecy there must be a living prophet in the church. But now their prophet is dead. Where is their "spirit of prophecy" now? According to the long-used argument, they now have no spirit of prophecy, and therefore can not be the remnant church of Rev. 12:17. The death of Mrs. White killed their argument.
If they now say that they have the spirit of prophecy in her writings, they admit what they have always denied; namely, that the writings of the prophets contain the spirit of prophecy. If they have the spirit of prophecy in the writings left by their prophet, then we have always had the spirit of prophecy in the writings left by the prophets of the Bible. All who have the Bible, and believe in that, have the spirit of prophecy contained in its writings. Therefore, the claim made by Seventh-day Adventists that they are the only body of Christians who have the spirit of prophecy is proven false by their own admission. Their former theory of the spirit of prophecy would compel them to bring forth immediately another living prophet, or surrender their argument in defense of the "spirit of prophecy" as represented in Mrs. White. This would destroy their whole theory on this subject.
For a period of seventy years they have claimed to be the remnant church of Rev. 12:17, because they had a living prophet in the church. But now their prophet is dead, and they have none any longer, whereby to prolong the "spirit of prophecy." They are now in the same condition as the other churches, and, according to their own argument, can not now be the remnant church. Upon the Scripture, "Where there is no vision, the people perish," their stock argument has been that, in order that the people shall be safe and surely guided, so that they shall not perish, there must be visions, and these the visions of a living prophet. Now the person is dead in whom alone they centered all true or proper visions. And now to them where are the visions without which the people perish?
At times Mrs. White made specific predictions regarding certain people. One such person was Adventist pioneer Moses Hull. In 1862 Hull was in the process of losing his faith in Adventism. It would appear that the Whites had given up on reasoning with Hull and Mrs. White now resorted to warning him of the dire consequences of the path he had chosen:
"If you proceed in the way you have started, misery and woe are before you. God's hand will arrest you in a manner that will not suit you. His wrath will not slumber." Testimonies, Vol. 1, pp. 430-431.
This never happened. Despite Mrs. White's warnings, Hull did "proceed the way he had started" and left the Adventist church. However, according to D.M. Canright, "Mr. Hull lived on many long years to a ripe old age, and nothing of the kind predicted happened." (Life of E.G. White, chap. 15) Besides raising questions about her prophetic abilities, this incident raises some important questions about her understanding of God. What kind of a God does Ellen White portray? Does God need to frighten people with wrath in order to keep them in His church? Does God need to resort to scare tactics in order to force people to stay in His church against their own will?
EGW: YES "To obey the commandments of God is the only way to obtain (earn) His favor" (Testimonies, vol. 4, p. 28).
BIBLE: NO Isa 64:6 (NIV) All our righteous acts are like filthy rags.
BIBLE: NO Gal 3:11 (NIV) "Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, 'The righteous will live by faith'.
“God requires the entire surrender of the heart, before justification can take place; and in order for man to retain justification, there must be continual obedience, through active, living faith that works by love and purifies the soul” (1SM 366).
- De heilige geest kon nooit de inspirator zijn van Ellen:
Q: Isn’t all scripture subject to our interpretation, as we have no way to understand it except through our minds?
A: Please consider II Peter 1:20-21 (NRSV): "First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy never came by human will, but men and women moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
Scripture is not subject to our interpretation and our desires. I'm not suggesting that we suspend the action of our intellect as we seek to understand the Word, but I am saying that our intellect must be in subjection to the Holy Spirit. We must submit to God's foolish wisdom (1 Cor. 1) when our ideas conflict with the results of clear exegesis and the promptings of God's Spirit (I Cor. 2:14).
The second point from this passage in II Peter is that prophets speak not "by human will," but "from God" as they are "moved by the Holy Spirit." To speak messages from God while under the influence of the Holy Spirit is to speak truth--not truth adulterated with human deficiencies. It is the exact representation of truth that God intends for the time and place in which it was given.
There are two components to the understanding of scripture: interpretation (exegesis) and the work of the Holy Spirit, and the latter is most important. "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned" (I Cor. 2:14, NIV). In this sense, scripture is not "a matter of one's own interpretation." The Holy Spirit works with our intellect (James 1:5), but spiritual discernment trumps our interpretations.
- Wanneer ze naar Galaten gevraagd wordt lult ze eromheen, ze stelt bovendien dat de wet en het evangelie perfect met elkaar in harmonie zijn.
From the Pen of Ellen White (thanks to Herbert Douglass for the compilation):
“Christ came to pay that debt for the sinner which it was impossible for him to pay for himself. Thus, through the atoning sacrifice of Christ, sinful man was granted another trial” (FW 30).
“Christ died that the transgressor of the law of God might be brought back to His [sic] loyalty, that He [sic] might keep the commandments of God, and His law as the apple of His eye, and live. God cannot take rebels into His kingdom; therefore He makes obedience to His requirements a special requirement” (1MR 112).
“He died to make it possible for us to keep the law” (YI, March 20, 1902).
“God and the holy angels have an intense desire that human beings shall reach the standard of perfection which Christ died to make it possible for them to reach” (HP 286).
“Christ has died that we might keep God's commandments. Will you have your names registered in the Lamb's book of life? Then be careful and zealous to repent of every sin” (9MR 264).
“Do not disappoint the One who gave His life that you might be an overcomer. He was tempted on every point that you and I can be tempted on, and in order to resist He spent whole nights in prayer and communion with His Father. Christ did not leave this world until He had made it possible for every soul to live a life of perfect faith and obedience, to have a perfect character” (TDG 204).
“The Son of God consented to die in the sinner's stead, that man might, by a life of obedience, escape the penalty of the law of God” (ST, August 7, 1879).
Evaluation:
During the period when the New Testament was being written, false teachers were denying that Christ had come in the flesh (I John 4:2). Ellen White doesn’t deny that Christ came in the flesh, but if her Christology is faulty, is she in violation with the principle behind I John 4:2? The modern application of this text is that genuine prophets must uphold biblical teachings regarding the nature and ministry of Christ; Ellen White does not, as evidenced by her emphasis on Christ’s death as a means of giving sinners another chance to obey the law.
Thought Questions:
1.Is Christ’s death basically a second chance for the sinner to obey the law?
2.What does the Bible say about the role of law in the New Covenant?
Bible Texts:
“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth” (Rom. 10:4).
“Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered” (Rom. 4:4-7)
“For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?” (1 John 5:4).
“[F]or if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain” (Gal. 2:21).
“But if ye be led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law” (Gal. 5:18).
“Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God” (I John 4:2).
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction” (II Pe. 2:1)
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus” (Rom. 3:23-26).
- Ellen zei dat Jezus alleen kwam om ons te laten zien dat we de wet kunnen houden!
Said Christ, ‘I have glorified Thee in My human character, perfecting that character for the benefit of all humanity, to show human beings that man can keep the law of God in a world of sin and transgression, and through being a partaker of the divine nature, stand as an overcomer” (6MR 233).
“The world’s Redeemer passed over the ground where Adam fell because of his disobeying the expressed law of Jehovah; and the only begotten Son of God came to our world as a man, to reveal to the world that men could keep the law of God” (6MR 334).
“We are ever to be thankful that Jesus has proved to us by actual facts that man can keep the commandments of God, giving contradiction to Satan’s falsehood that man cannot keep them. The Great Teacher came to our world to stand at the head of humanity, to thus elevate and sanctify humanity by His holy obedience to all of God’s requirements showing it is possible to obey all the commandments of God” (5MR 113).
“So you have the whole duty laid down, and that is to keep the commandments if you expect to have eternal life. What was lost through Adam by disobedience must be brought back by obedience” (5MR 260).
Evaluation:
During the period when the New Testament was being written, false teachers were denying that Christ had come in the flesh (I John 4:2). Ellen White doesn’t deny that Christ came in the flesh, but if her Christology is faulty, is she in violation with the principle behind I John 4:2? The modern application of this text is that genuine prophets must uphold biblical teachings regarding the nature and ministry of Christ; Ellen White does not, as evidenced by her emphasis on a very human Example as opposed to a divine Substitute.
Thought Questions:
1.Does the Bible clearly teach that Christ had a human nature with a propensity to sin?
2.Does the idea of the humanity of Christ diminish His divinity?
3.Is the humanity of Christ doctrine just simple cover for perfectionism? If Jesus was perfect in His human nature, and if He had no advantage over human beings, then shouldn’t His followers also achieve perfection?
4.Did Christ come to show us that we can keep the law?
- vaag new age groen koord visioen van Jezus:S
1850 endorsement of the Apocrypha: "I SAW that the Apocrypha was the hidden book, and that the wise of these last days should understand it" - Ms 4, 1850).
- Satan was overal verantwoordelijk voor met kleine zaakjes bezig:S
- Masturbatie leidt tot massadoden? Miljoenen doden!
- Ze had dezelfde soort visioenen als Joseph Smith
- Ze had visioenen van Jezus die persoonlijke sociale relaties schijnbaar erg belangrijk vond (blabla is van de duivel x3)
- Profetieen die niet uitkomen
- Zelfverrijking
- Voegde toe aan het woord van God (verbood vlees eten, juwelen >die ze zelf wel droeg)
- Vernietigde het evangelie met de leer van het onderzoekend oordeel
- Gebruikte veel andere bronnen
- Schreef ontzettend veel boeken, wou dat iedereen die boeken verkocht ipv de bijbel? (royalties?)
- Sprak bijbel meerdere keren tegen (Jezus had zogenaamd oudere broers, etc.)
- Twijfelde zelf of haar visioenen het gevolg waren van mesmerisme
- Haatte haar vijanden (iedereen die haar niet geloofde ging naar de hel)
- Scheen niet vergevingsgezind te zijn
- Liet niks na aan de armen, schreef er wel over om geld mee te verdienen:S
- Ellen was een vrouw en gaf lering in kerken (terwijl dat volgens Paul een schande is)
- Had visioenen over de meest stomme dingen (foto’s, geld etc)
- Sprak over wetenschappelijke zaken (vulkanen en dergelijke) die later complete onzin bleken te zijn
- Ze praktiseerde niet wat ze leerde (vlees eten, zelf-ontkenning, juwelen, luxe)
- Verzegeling vindt letterlijk plaats door een engel die beslist over het lot van mensen? (ze gebruikt angst-tacktieken)
- Ellen gebruikt angst!
- Sabbath is niet bijbels!! Is niet het zegel van God! Zij leerde het als belangrijkste gebod. Wegvallen van genade
- Het evangelie is het zegel van God, de heilige geest Exodus 12, Ezechiel 9 (Ellen verpreidde 666)
- Leerde dat 10 geboden niet waren afgeschaft
- Had rare bovennatuurlijke ervaringen, spiritisme
- Leerde dat de paus de sabbath had veranderd naar zondag
- Volgelingen veranderen in farizeeers (rotte vruchten)
- Ze had new age taal, new age symboliek in schilderijen
- Ze leerde dat de verzoening van Jezus aan het kruis niet voltooid was:
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- White’s teaching about the Investigative Judgment being the reality behind the Day of Atonement required her to state that the atonement is ongoing; therefore, it was not completed at the cross as the rest of Christianity affirms
- From the Pen of Ellen White:
- “Attended by heavenly angels, our great High Priest enters the holy of holies and there appears in the presence of God to engage in the last acts of His ministration in behalf of man--to perform the work of investigative judgment and to make an atonement for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits” (GC 480).
- "As the priest entered the most holy once a year to cleanse the earthly sanctuary, so Jesus entered the most holy of the heavenly, at the end of the 2300 days of Daniel 8, in 1844, to make a final atonement for all who could be benefited by His mediation, and thus to cleanse the sanctuary” (EW 253).
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- “The intercession of Christ in man's behalf in the sanctuary above is as essential to the plan of salvation as was His death upon the cross. By His death He began that work which after His resurrection He ascended to complete in heaven” (GC 489
- “The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on record in the sanctuary until the final atonement . . . . Then by virtue of the atoning blood of Christ, the sins of all the truly penitent will be blotted from the books of heaven. Thus the sanctuary will be freed, or cleansed, from the record of sin” (PP 357-58).
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- A comparison of the Ellen White quotes on the incomplete atonement with Romans 5:11 reveals that her Christology is incompatible with that of scripture. “And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement” (Rom. 5:11).
- Questions on Doctrine, a book published by the SDA leadership in 1957, states that “the sacrificial atonement was made on the cross and was provided for all men, but that in the heavenly priestly ministry of Christ our Lord, this sacrificial atonement is applied to the seeking soul” (QOD 348). The QOD explanation is inadequate because it fails to change the fact that the SDA prophet diminished the cross and highlighted the atonement supposedly taking place in the Investigative Judgment: “The intercession of Christ in man's behalf in the sanctuary above is as essential to the plan of salvation as was His death upon the cross. By His death He began that work which after His resurrection He ascended to complete in heaven” (GC 489).
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- During the period when the New Testament was being written, false teachers were denying that Christ had come in the flesh (I John 4:2). Ellen White doesn’t deny that Christ came in the flesh, but if her Christology is faulty, is she in violation with the principle behind I John 4:2? The modern application of this text is that genuine prophets must uphold biblical teachings regarding the nature and ministry of Christ; Ellen White does not, as evidenced by her teaching of the incomplete atonement.
- Thought Questions:
- 1.If the Bible says that the atonement was completed at the cross, and Ellen White says the atonement will be completed in the future, what does that tell us about Ellen White?
- 2.Does Ellen White’s picture of an ongoing atonement diminish what Christ accomplished on the cross?
- 3.What does the concept of an ongoing atonement say about the efficacy of the blood of Christ?
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- “And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement” (Rom. 5:11).
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- “For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself” (Heb. 9:24-26).
- “Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God” (I John 4:2).
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- “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction” (II Pe. 2:1).
- Ze leerde dat Jezus niet de eeuwige God is:
Is the 1898 affirmation of the divinity of Christ and the existence of the Trinity in accordance with her original writings? According to Ellen White, the Father honored Christ by making Christ equal in authority with the Father, and she goes on to state that this was the basis for Satan’s rebellion against God. Satan wanted the honor that had been given to Christ. Did Lucifer and the other angels not know that Christ was God? According to Ellen White, they were unaware of this basic fact. Had they only known, maybe they wouldn’t have fallen . . . .
Leaving his place in the immediate presence of God, Lucifer went forth to diffuse the spirit of discontent among the angels. Working with mysterious secrecy, and for a time concealing his real purpose under an appearance of reverence for God, he endeavored to excite dissatisfaction concerning the laws that governed heavenly beings, intimating that they imposed an unnecessary restraint. Since their natures were holy, he urged that the angels should obey the dictates of their own will. He sought to create sympathy for himself by representing that God had dealt unjustly with him in bestowing supreme honor upon Christ. He claimed that in aspiring to greater power and honor he was not aiming at self-exaltation, but was seeking to secure liberty for all the inhabitants of heaven, that by this means they might attain to a higher state of existence” (GC 495).
The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that he might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon his Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by himself that Christ, his Son, should be equal with himself; so that wherever was the presence of his Son, it was as his own presence. The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son he had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. Especially was his Son to work in union with himself in the anticipated creation of the earth and every living thing that should exist upon the earth. His Son would carry out his will and his purposes, but would do nothing of himself alone. The Father's will would be fulfilled in him.
Satan and his sympathizers were striving to reform the government of God. They were discontented and unhappy because they could not look into his unsearchable wisdom and ascertain his purposes in exalting his Son Jesus, and endowing him with such unlimited power and command. They rebelled against the authority of the Son” (1SP 17-19). Jezus werd dus net zo sterk geacht door Ellen als de duivel, past bij haar andere evangelie dat WIJ de strijd aan moeten gaan met de duivel mbt zonde.
- 1.If Ellen White was a true prophetess, why would God allow her to teach error for over fifty years?
- 2.Has a true prophet ever misrepresented previously established truth?
- 3.Are Ellen White’s early visions valid in light of her later teachings (and the Bible)?
- 4.Is it reasonable to believe that the heavenly beings were unaware that Jesus is God?
- 5.Why isn’t the Holy Spirit mentioned in these accounts?
- 6.Why does Ellen White call God the Father “the great Creator” when the Bible teaches that Christ is the creator of all things?
- 7.Do God’s true prophets grow from error to truth in their prophetic utterances?
- 8.Is Ellen White’s testimony regarding Christ true?
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- In his book Three Important Questions for Seventh-Day Adventists to Consider (1876), Charles Lee recalls an experience he had with Ellen White. The editor of the Swedish edition of Advent Herald, Mr. C. Carlstedt, had become seriously ill. Charles Lee, James and Ellen White, and two other persons went on a visit to Br. Carlstedt,
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- "We all knelt in prayer for the sick man; and Mrs. W. praised the Lord because he was "present with his restoring power, to raise Carlstedt, whose sickness," she said, was "not unto death, but to the glory of the Son of God. . . .
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- "On our way back Mrs. W. said to me that the Lord was there with his restoring power, and she was confident that he would be restored to health again. I told her I did not realize it, and that it was darkness to me. She did not speak to me again that evening. As I parted from them, I went direct to Chicago, to continue my meetings. A few days after I came to Chicago, Mrs. W. sent me a written testimony; and in that she says she knew that I was under the influence of devils. The next day I received a dispatch that Mr. C. was dead. I read and re-read the testimony, and said to myself, "If she could see 3 years ago that Satan should take possession of my soul and body because I would not give myself entirely up to be led by her and her husband,why could she not see that Mr. C. would die a few days before he did, as her attention was called directly to his case? And if she saw my then pitiable condition so long before, why did she not warn me before Satan got me entirely under his influence?
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- "The brethren at B.C. wrote me to come right back to the Office. I did so. When there, Mr. J. Sawyer set me to work, and I thought he was authorized to do so. Then Eld. W. came, and, in a very harsh manner asked me, "Who has set you to work here? Do you intend to come here and run the whole business?" etc. I told him who had set me to work, but then he went out. This led to what he called "laboring meetings." When he could not gain his object he turned to his wife and said, "Mrs. White, what did you see in regard to Bro. Lee's case?" She answered, "I saw that we should have to meet Spiritualism in Bro. Lee," or, "I saw that if he does not yield his independent will to be led by the leading brethren, Satan will take possession of his soul." "There, that's it," he said. "If Bro. Lee does not accept the testimony, he is beyond our reach."
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- "Her testimony was considered above the word of God. I did not know before that Mrs. W. held such a position in the Advent church. It really astonished me. She said things that I never thought a human being would say. She said, "You, foreigners, must be moulded by us for eternity. . . . A few days before we were married, Mrs. W. sent for my wife (then Miss Deedon) to come and see her. She then told her that I was "the most deceived person in the world," and warned her against me. . . . A few weeks from this, the testimony of Mrs. W. came out against me in print,and I was looked upon as a doomed man." (Charles Lee, 1876. Emphasis supplied.)
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- Here we encounter the same spirit again: If anyone would gainsay Ellen White, that person would later receive a stinging "testimony from heaven", in which he/she would be accused of being agents of Satan, led by the devil, etc. This happened time and again.
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- Later, Charles Lee learned from Br. P. Hanson that Ellen White had instructed him (Hanson) to warn the Swedish brethren against Lee, who continues his story,
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- "Bro. Hanson was very friendly to me before he came under Mrs. W.'s influence. The day before I started to Chicago in the fall of 1874, he felt so interested in me that he came 3 miles purposely to relate a dream to me that he had dreamt the night before, which he declared God had given him for my good. He dreamt that I went to meet Miss Deedon, now my wife, and then he saw that we got into a great trouble. But we came out of the troubles at last. About that time a short woman, dressed in black reform dress, came to him and took him by the hand and led him off. She appeared to him as an angel of light. But soon he heard a voice calling to him, saying, "Beware of whom you are lead." At the same time the woman's hand turned cold as a piece of ice in his hand, and she appeared to him as a dark demon. This is the substance of the dream he told me.
- "Bro. And Sr. Ericson felt very bad to hear such news about us. They did not know what to believe. It was hard for them to believe that I was led by Satan, for Sr. Ericson had been raised up from a severe illness twice by our prayer. Once while we were in B.C. We kept quiet and appealed to God to convince them of the truth. They also sought God for light in regard to us. The second morning at the family worship they were more free with us. At the breakfast table,
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- "Bro. E. related a dream to us, that he had had during the night. He said he saw a great multitude of people looking for Christ to come. In the midst of the mass was Mrs. White. -- He had never seen her, but described her perfectly. All at once it became very dark upon the earth. He looked about him, and found but a small company in comparison with the great mass he first saw. In anxiety he cried out, "Where are they all gone?" A voice answered him, "They are all lost with Mrs. White." At that he awoke terrified." (Charles Lee, 1876.)
"“The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty.” SOURCE: Ellen G. White (1903, ms 150, SDA; Commentary V, p. 1129)
This is NEW AGE Sir: Jesus did not BECOME God - this is a teaching of satan and his followers. God is God - was always and will be.
Ellen White vruchten: (pro)
- Ze hielp de kerk meerdere malen door een crisis
- Ze vestigde aandacht op het feit dat er sprake is van een strijd tussen satan en Christus
- Zorgde voor een gezond bestaan/langer leven
Theorie: duivel wil voorkomen dat escathalogische waarheden en het evangelie verenigd worden. Daarom misleidde hij Ellen White met een ander evangelie dat mensen berooft van de zekerheid van hun redding. De duivel wil mensen doen geloven dat redding niet mogelijk is/ dat redding gekocht moet worden met werken.
Bewijs:
- Zeer zorgvuldige cohesie met valse aannames die de leer van het onderzoekend oordeel ondersteunen (Jezus had een zondige aard, Jezus was een voorbeeld hoe we gered kunnen worden, Satan is een zondebok, verdraaiing van daniel 8:14 en hebreeen 9, onderzoekend oordeel bevestigd met visioenen, perfectionisme volgens de wet is een voorwaarde voor redding)
- Naarmate Ellen White ouder werd en het evangelie beter begreep namen haar visioenen af (toeval?)
- Visioenen gingen over zaken die niet van belang waren (geld, fotos en dergelijke)
- Ellen White werd rijkelijk beloond (meer dan 10 helpers, groot huis, groot inkomen, internationale superluxe reizen)
- Tegenstanders zouden automatisch naar de hel gaan omdat ze de Heilige Geest zouden tegenwerken
- Ellen White had bepaalde soort ervaringen die lijken op de ervaringen in de pinkstergemeenten
- Visioenen waren gebaseerd op andere boeken?
- Bijbelse profeten krijgen geen visioenen over vorige visioenen, Ellen White zogenaamd wel.
- Voorspelde terecht dat er een tijd zou komen dat haar getuigenissen niet meer geloofd zouden worden (is immers voorspeld in de bijbel) en zei dat dat dan het werk van Satan was.
- 2 Mensen Foy en nog een hadden de gift van profetie afgewezen waarvan 1 dacht dat het van de duivel was
- De engelen in de visioenen legden Ellen White nooit het evangelie uit (bedreiging voor haar inkomsten?)
- Vrijmetselarij was betrokken bij de founding fathers (William Miller)
- Ellen White was laagopgeleid, zwak
Ik weet 100 procent zeker dat Ellen White misleid was, Lucifer wil ons doen geloven dat de zevende dags adventisten de ene ware kerk is, maar door sabbath te prediken als voorwaarde voor redding is het in feite een antichristus-kerk, want het leert een ander evangelie, wat in feite geen evangelie is ( lees Galaten).
people who accepted Christ at that time would have only a few months to prepare for His coming. This is another example of her attempt at “timesetting.”
In Testimonies, vol. 1, pp. 131 and 132, Ellen White said that an angel told her that some of the people present at a particular conference would be “food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus.” Well, they all ended up as food for worms. None of them will experience the seven last plagues, nor will any of them be translated.
•In Desire of Ages, p. 645 she says that Judas had a conviction to confess during the footwashing. In Evangelism, p. 275, she says that Judas did not have a conviction to confess during footwashing.
•In Spiritual Gifts, v. 1, p. 58, she says that the nails went through Jesus’ bones. Forty years later, in Desire of Ages, p. 744, she says that no bones were broken.
•She believed in and wrote about the “shut door” doctrine for several years after the “great disappointment” and then retracted it. This was a doctrine that taught that there was no need for evangelism because Jesus had already decided who was going to be saved and who was going to be lost. For more information on
Evangelism, p. 598, Ellen White said that Satan deceived Adam. 1 Timothy 2:14 (NKJV) says, And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
•In Counsels on Diets and Foods, p. 148, she said that God gave the children of Israel meat and gluttony produced the plague. Numbers 11:33 (NKJV) says, "But while the meat was still between their teeth, before it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was aroused against the people, and Lord struck the people with a very great plague."
•In Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 155, she said that we should never say that we are saved. 1 John 5:13 (NKJV) says, "These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God."
•In Desire of Ages, p. 753, she said that before the crucifixion, Jesus “could not see through the portals of the tomb. Hope did not present to Him His coming forth from the grave a conqueror, or tell Him of the Father’s acceptance of the sacrifice. He feared that sin was so offensive to God that Their separation was to be eternal.” In John 10:17, 18 (NKJV), Jesus says, "Therefore, my Father loves me because I lay down my life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father." (See also, Luke 24:7 and John 2:19.)
"It is Satan's plan to weaken the faith of God’s people in the Testimonies [writings of Ellen White] . Next follows skepticism in regard to the vital points of our faith, the pillars of our position, then doubt as to the Holy Scriptures, and then the downward march to perdition. When the Testimonies, which were once believed, are doubted and given up, Satan knows the deceived ones will not stop at this; and he redoubles his efforts till he launches them into open rebellion, which becomes incurable and ends in destruction.” Ellen G. White, Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 4, p. 211.
“If you lose confidence in the Testimonies you will drift away from Bible truth.” Ellen G. White, Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 5, p. 98.
"Then I was shown a company who were howling in agony. On their garments was written in large characters, 'Thou art weighed in the balance, and found wanting.' I asked who this company were. The angel said, 'these are they who have once kept the Sabbath and have given it up.'" Ellen G. White, Early Writings, p. 37
"God will never, never allow any man to pass through the pearly gates of the city of God who does not bear the signet of the faithful, His government mark." [in context the signet mark is the Sabbath] Ellen G. White, Medical Ministry, p. 123.
"God will frown upon those who disregard his commandments and he cannot bless the church that retains Sabbath-breakers in its fellowship." Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, 1890-06-02.
She could not even use her own judgment concerning those who needed her prayers. Many of us would have been out of luck with Mrs. White as we would have been much too lowly to be worthy of her prayers. Following is a rather sickening note by Ellen White indicating just how full of herself she really was and also illustrating the above attitude.
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My husband and I once attended a meeting where our sympathies were enlisted for a brother who was a great sufferer with the phthisic. He was pale and emaciated. He requested the prayers of the people of God. He said that his family were sick, and that he had lost a child. He spoke with feeling of his bereavement. He said that he had been waiting for some time to see Brother and Sister White. He had believed that if they would pray for him, he would be heated. After the meeting closed, the brethren called our attention to the case. They said that the church was assisting them, that his wife was sick, and his child had died. The brethren had met at his house and united in praying for the afflicted family. We were much worn and had the burden of labor upon us during the meeting and wished to be excused. I had resolved not to engage in prayer for anyone, unless the Spirit of the Lord should dictate in the matter ...
That night we bowed in prayer and presented his case before the Lord. We entreated that we might know the will of God concerning him. All we desired was that God might be glorified. Would the Lord have us pray for this afflicted man? We left the burden with the Lord and retired to rest. In a dream the case of that man was clearly presented. His course from his childhood up was shown, and that if we should pray, the Lord would not hear us; for he regarded iniquity in his heart. The next morning the man came for us to pray for him. We took him aside and told him we were sorry to be compelled to refuse his request. I related my dream, which he acknowledged was true. He had practiced self-abuse from his boyhood up, and he had continued the practice during his married life, but said he would try to break himself of it. This man had a long-established habit to overcome. He was in the middle age of life. His moral principles were so weak that when brought in conflict with with long-established indulgence, they were overcome ...
Here was a man debasing himself daily and yet daring to venture into the presence of God and ask an increase of strength which he had vilely squandered, and which, if granted, he would consume upon his lust. What forbearance has God! If He should deal with man according to his corrupt ways, who could live in His sight?
What if we had been less cautious and carried the case of this man before God while he was practicing iniquity, would the Lord have heard? Would He have answered?
This is not a solitary case. Even the marriage relation was not sufficient to preserve this man from the corrupt habits of his youth. I wish I could be convinced that such cases as the one I have presented are rare, but I know they are frequent." (Child Guidance p. 450-1)
The situation in the Adventist Church today is much the same as that of the Jewish Church at the time of Jesus. The Jewish leaders had set up so many impossible rules and rituals that the common people could not possibly attain. Jesus described these people as follows; ""The Scribes and Pharisees sit on Moses seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice. They bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by men." (Matt. 23:2-5) Jesus was very angered by the legalism which permeated His church at the time of His first advent. I suspect He will be just as angry with the legalism practiced in churches such as the Seventh Day Adventist denomination when He comes the second time.
As opposed to the blessing which is grace, the law is a curse upon all mankind, none of whom can possibly fulfill its requirements. While the law itself is perfect and holy, those who try to justify themselves before its holy Author bring not His blessing, but His curse upon themselves. The Bible itself tells us what the curse of the law is: “All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.’” Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, ‘the righteous will live by faith.’ The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, ‘The man who does these things will live by them.’ Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree" (Galatians 3:10-13).
What we must understand from this passage is that the curse is not the law. The curse is the penalty levied for not keeping the law. The Book of the Law refers to the covenant laws that God made with His people during the time of Moses. The law can point out where we fail and fall short of God’s will, but it cannot pronounce us righteous; that was not its purpose.
In the above passage the apostle Paul is telling us that everyone who does not keep the law perfectly, is cursed by it (Deuteronomy 27:26; Galatians 3:10). The reason is because no one can obey the law perfectly. In fact, there were over 600 laws the Jews had to keep to be right in the eyes of God. The breaking of even one commandment put a person under condemnation. Trying to achieve salvation through obedience to the law is futile. For example, we all regularly break the first and greatest commandment by failing to love God first with all our hearts, minds and strength (Matthew 22:37-38). As a result, everyone has broken the commandments, and everyone is cursed.
The law demands perfection—an impossibility because we’re all sinful (Romans 3:10, 23). As a result, all who try to live by the Old Law were under a divine curse. But the good news is that Jesus Christ “redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us . . .” (Galatians 3:13). Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice on the cross when He bore the total brunt of God’s curse. Paul explains how in his letter to the Romans: “God presented [Jesus] as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in His blood. He did this to demonstrate His justice, because in His forbearance He had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished—He did it to demonstrate His justice at the present time, so as to be just and the One who justifies those who have faith in Jesus” (Romans 3:25-26). The curse of the law fell on Christ on our behalf so that the righteousness of God could fall on us, though we did not deserve it (2 Corinthians 5:21).
Vruchten:
Often, cult research is tedious and boring. I am grateful to EGW for being humorous, ridiculous, and just plain silly. Her writings bearing her name are 17 times as long as the Bibleplagiarized or not.
Many of them have to do with her doctrines on health and food.
As an SDA you will be encouraged to become a vegetarian. Ellen indicated that your salvation could be dependent on giving up meat . No meat-eaters will be "translated" at Christ's coming (Counsels on Diet and Foods p. 380).
You won't be told this scripture by SDA's
"...he who is weak in faith eats vegetables only..." (Romans 14:2). (Fun to read to vegetarians).
She taught in Counsels on Diet ..on p. 390 (some editions) that
"...if we subsist largely upon the flesh of dead animals, we shall partake of their nature".
Partake of their nature? This is against God's creation laws of "kind", and Impossible. Also conveniently forgotten is Paul view, "Eat anything that is sold in the meat market, without asking questions for conscience' sake." ( 1 Cor. 10:25). Obviously no vegetarians evident in the early church!
Most of EGW's concerns over diet were in an effort to control what she considered to be an excessive sex drive in the male. She devoted endless pages to discussing "secret vice" (masturbation) and blamed the practice for a wide range of diseases. Here, in "Solemn Appeal" page 12 are a few of the diseases said to be caused by "secret vice"
"...dyspepsia, spinal complaint, headache, epilepsy, impaired eyesight, palpitation of the heart, pain in the side, bleeding at the lungs, spasms of the heart and lungs, diabetes, incontinence of urine, fluor albus or whites, inflammation of the urinary organs... rheumatism, affected perspiration, consumption, asthma, catarrah, polypus of the heart, affection of the bones, fevers, ..etc. etc.
The cure for secret vice was even funnier. The perpetrator was to sit in a sitz bath at as low a temperature as possible. At the same time, he was to have a hot foot bath, while applying cold cloths to his forehead. He was also to wear an abdominal bandage or wet girdle at night "to good advantage".
She concludes, "Cool bathing of the parts affected is also beneficial".
To those SDA's who write me that I must be endorsing masturbation by making this public, let me assure you that this is not the case. Why don't they charge their leader with the same accusation? She wrote about it much more than I ever have! I am merely exposing her silliness in health matters. You'll never hear these ridiculous topics from the Adventists!
Thanks to Ellen White's influence, the Kellogg brothers were inspired to develop cold corn flakes, as hot porridge could "heat the blood" with undesirable results!
She sternly warned against using feather beds for the same reasons, but I found a letter from her asking someone to send her her featherbed! (EGW Vol 3, p. 341).
She also developed a "reform dress" on instructions from God, which was a bulky affair with pants under a long dress. She gave up on wearing hers finally, and so did the other women, after years of suffering discomfort.
Other assorted nonsense included Angels needing golden cards as gate passes to get in and out of heaven. (Early Writings p. 37-39),
She also "travelled" to other planets in her visions, and also claimed to have met Enoch (more necromancy). (EGW: The Early Years Vol.1 p. 114; p.157).
She taught that certain races of men are the result of amalgamation between man and beast. (SG Vol 3, p. 64,75). Which races? You won't be told this one at the Seminars, or even later!
Her silliness extended to wigs as well. Any woman daring to wear one would "...lose their reason and go hopelessly insane". (Christian Mothers, # 2, p. 121).
Well, that's about enough of the silliness. We could go on, but won't.
In conclusion, it is amazing to me that the SDA Church reveres Ellen G. White, choosing her visions, dreams, doctrines and teachings above the Bible. Other women had better run for cover, however, as they wouldn't dream of ordaining a woman in their denomination which is totally male dominated.
Adventists love to quote Walter Martin who was "had" by them as a young man and believed their statements without checking matters out closely, to prove they are not a cult. However, before he died, he made this statement on the John Ankerberg Show:
"I fear that if they continue to progress at this rate, then the classification of a cult can't possibly miss being reapplied to Seventh-day Adventism, because once you have an interpreter of Scripture, a final court of appeal that tells you what Scripture means, as soon as you judge Scripture by that, as soon as you have someone who has made doctrinal errors in the past, even on the deity of Christ and the doctrine of the atonement and other things, and that person is raised to that position or authority, you have polarization around that person".
Christ bore our own sins in his body on the tree according to the Bible. 1 Peter 2:24 says, "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree...". Become a SDA, and it will be Satan who will eventually bear your sins! Ellen G. White wrote,
"...so Christ will place all these sins upon Satan, the originator and instigator of sin...so Satan, bearing the guilt of all the sins which he has caused God's people to commit, will be for a thousand years confined to the earth, which will then be desolate...".(The Great Controversy p. 485).
If you receive Christ as your Saviour through the SDA's, only your past sins, up to that moment are forgiven. Now you must get to work to earn your salvation. Ellen G. White said in the Advent Review and Sabbath Herald of 10-26-1897 this statement,
"...The terms of salvation for every son and daughter of Adam are here outlined. It is plainly stated that the condition of gaining eternal life is obedience to the commandments of God".
Of course, it is the fourth commandment that is stressed, since Ellen saw this one glowing in one of her visions. Salvation now becomes dependent on which day of the week one observes.
Modern Adventists keep sundown Friday to sundown Saturday as the Sabbath, but earlier in their history they kept 6 p.m. Friday to 6 p.m. Saturday.
The rest of us "Sunday keepers" are doomed to receive the "mark of the beast" and lose our eternal life. (The Spirit of Prophecy V. 4, p. 505). They sure don't say this at their seminars!
Christ exclaimed "It is finished" when He died for our sins, but it is not finished in Seventh-day Adventism!
She Teaches Contrary To The Bible On The Subject Of Immortality That Even The Endless Life In The Eternal State May Cease Or Waste Away. She says,
"In order for man to possess an endless life, he must continue to eat of the fruit of the tree of life. Deprived of that tree, his life would gradually wear out. "—Sp. Gifts, Vol. 3, p. 64.
Questions.—
How can an endless life cease? Is not such an idea destructive of Paul's doctrine of immortality.—1Cor. 15:31-54.
If the endless life can be perpetuated only by eating of the fruit of the tree of life, upon what principle has the Devil lived for the last six thousand years? Has he had access to that tree?
If the endless life may fail and wear out, was not our Lord a false teacher when he said, "Neither can they die any more, for they are equal unto the angels, and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.—Luke, 20:36.
From the beginning of their history, Seventh-day Adventists have claimed that they were the remnant church of Rev. 12:17, because they had a prophet among them; namely, Mrs. E.G. White. They have always insisted that they had the "spirit of prophecy" (Rev. 19:10). When those opposed to their views have contended that we have the "spirit of prophecy" in the writings of the prophets as recorded in the Holy Scriptures, they have denied it, and have, in the most dogmatic fashion, contended that to have the spirit of prophecy there must be a living prophet in the church. But now their prophet is dead. Where is their "spirit of prophecy" now? According to the long-used argument, they now have no spirit of prophecy, and therefore can not be the remnant church of Rev. 12:17. The death of Mrs. White killed their argument.
If they now say that they have the spirit of prophecy in her writings, they admit what they have always denied; namely, that the writings of the prophets contain the spirit of prophecy. If they have the spirit of prophecy in the writings left by their prophet, then we have always had the spirit of prophecy in the writings left by the prophets of the Bible. All who have the Bible, and believe in that, have the spirit of prophecy contained in its writings. Therefore, the claim made by Seventh-day Adventists that they are the only body of Christians who have the spirit of prophecy is proven false by their own admission. Their former theory of the spirit of prophecy would compel them to bring forth immediately another living prophet, or surrender their argument in defense of the "spirit of prophecy" as represented in Mrs. White. This would destroy their whole theory on this subject.
For a period of seventy years they have claimed to be the remnant church of Rev. 12:17, because they had a living prophet in the church. But now their prophet is dead, and they have none any longer, whereby to prolong the "spirit of prophecy." They are now in the same condition as the other churches, and, according to their own argument, can not now be the remnant church. Upon the Scripture, "Where there is no vision, the people perish," their stock argument has been that, in order that the people shall be safe and surely guided, so that they shall not perish, there must be visions, and these the visions of a living prophet. Now the person is dead in whom alone they centered all true or proper visions. And now to them where are the visions without which the people perish?
At times Mrs. White made specific predictions regarding certain people. One such person was Adventist pioneer Moses Hull. In 1862 Hull was in the process of losing his faith in Adventism. It would appear that the Whites had given up on reasoning with Hull and Mrs. White now resorted to warning him of the dire consequences of the path he had chosen:
"If you proceed in the way you have started, misery and woe are before you. God's hand will arrest you in a manner that will not suit you. His wrath will not slumber." Testimonies, Vol. 1, pp. 430-431.
This never happened. Despite Mrs. White's warnings, Hull did "proceed the way he had started" and left the Adventist church. However, according to D.M. Canright, "Mr. Hull lived on many long years to a ripe old age, and nothing of the kind predicted happened." (Life of E.G. White, chap. 15) Besides raising questions about her prophetic abilities, this incident raises some important questions about her understanding of God. What kind of a God does Ellen White portray? Does God need to frighten people with wrath in order to keep them in His church? Does God need to resort to scare tactics in order to force people to stay in His church against their own will?
EGW: YES "To obey the commandments of God is the only way to obtain (earn) His favor" (Testimonies, vol. 4, p. 28).
BIBLE: NO Isa 64:6 (NIV) All our righteous acts are like filthy rags.
BIBLE: NO Gal 3:11 (NIV) "Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, 'The righteous will live by faith'.
“God requires the entire surrender of the heart, before justification can take place; and in order for man to retain justification, there must be continual obedience, through active, living faith that works by love and purifies the soul” (1SM 366).
- De heilige geest kon nooit de inspirator zijn van Ellen:
Q: Isn’t all scripture subject to our interpretation, as we have no way to understand it except through our minds?
A: Please consider II Peter 1:20-21 (NRSV): "First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy never came by human will, but men and women moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
Scripture is not subject to our interpretation and our desires. I'm not suggesting that we suspend the action of our intellect as we seek to understand the Word, but I am saying that our intellect must be in subjection to the Holy Spirit. We must submit to God's foolish wisdom (1 Cor. 1) when our ideas conflict with the results of clear exegesis and the promptings of God's Spirit (I Cor. 2:14).
The second point from this passage in II Peter is that prophets speak not "by human will," but "from God" as they are "moved by the Holy Spirit." To speak messages from God while under the influence of the Holy Spirit is to speak truth--not truth adulterated with human deficiencies. It is the exact representation of truth that God intends for the time and place in which it was given.
There are two components to the understanding of scripture: interpretation (exegesis) and the work of the Holy Spirit, and the latter is most important. "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned" (I Cor. 2:14, NIV). In this sense, scripture is not "a matter of one's own interpretation." The Holy Spirit works with our intellect (James 1:5), but spiritual discernment trumps our interpretations.
- Wanneer ze naar Galaten gevraagd wordt lult ze eromheen, ze stelt bovendien dat de wet en het evangelie perfect met elkaar in harmonie zijn.
From the Pen of Ellen White (thanks to Herbert Douglass for the compilation):
“Christ came to pay that debt for the sinner which it was impossible for him to pay for himself. Thus, through the atoning sacrifice of Christ, sinful man was granted another trial” (FW 30).
“Christ died that the transgressor of the law of God might be brought back to His [sic] loyalty, that He [sic] might keep the commandments of God, and His law as the apple of His eye, and live. God cannot take rebels into His kingdom; therefore He makes obedience to His requirements a special requirement” (1MR 112).
“He died to make it possible for us to keep the law” (YI, March 20, 1902).
“God and the holy angels have an intense desire that human beings shall reach the standard of perfection which Christ died to make it possible for them to reach” (HP 286).
“Christ has died that we might keep God's commandments. Will you have your names registered in the Lamb's book of life? Then be careful and zealous to repent of every sin” (9MR 264).
“Do not disappoint the One who gave His life that you might be an overcomer. He was tempted on every point that you and I can be tempted on, and in order to resist He spent whole nights in prayer and communion with His Father. Christ did not leave this world until He had made it possible for every soul to live a life of perfect faith and obedience, to have a perfect character” (TDG 204).
“The Son of God consented to die in the sinner's stead, that man might, by a life of obedience, escape the penalty of the law of God” (ST, August 7, 1879).
Evaluation:
During the period when the New Testament was being written, false teachers were denying that Christ had come in the flesh (I John 4:2). Ellen White doesn’t deny that Christ came in the flesh, but if her Christology is faulty, is she in violation with the principle behind I John 4:2? The modern application of this text is that genuine prophets must uphold biblical teachings regarding the nature and ministry of Christ; Ellen White does not, as evidenced by her emphasis on Christ’s death as a means of giving sinners another chance to obey the law.
Thought Questions:
1.Is Christ’s death basically a second chance for the sinner to obey the law?
2.What does the Bible say about the role of law in the New Covenant?
Bible Texts:
“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth” (Rom. 10:4).
“Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered” (Rom. 4:4-7)
“For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?” (1 John 5:4).
“[F]or if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain” (Gal. 2:21).
“But if ye be led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law” (Gal. 5:18).
“Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God” (I John 4:2).
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction” (II Pe. 2:1)
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus” (Rom. 3:23-26).
- Ellen zei dat Jezus alleen kwam om ons te laten zien dat we de wet kunnen houden!
Said Christ, ‘I have glorified Thee in My human character, perfecting that character for the benefit of all humanity, to show human beings that man can keep the law of God in a world of sin and transgression, and through being a partaker of the divine nature, stand as an overcomer” (6MR 233).
“The world’s Redeemer passed over the ground where Adam fell because of his disobeying the expressed law of Jehovah; and the only begotten Son of God came to our world as a man, to reveal to the world that men could keep the law of God” (6MR 334).
“We are ever to be thankful that Jesus has proved to us by actual facts that man can keep the commandments of God, giving contradiction to Satan’s falsehood that man cannot keep them. The Great Teacher came to our world to stand at the head of humanity, to thus elevate and sanctify humanity by His holy obedience to all of God’s requirements showing it is possible to obey all the commandments of God” (5MR 113).
“So you have the whole duty laid down, and that is to keep the commandments if you expect to have eternal life. What was lost through Adam by disobedience must be brought back by obedience” (5MR 260).
Evaluation:
During the period when the New Testament was being written, false teachers were denying that Christ had come in the flesh (I John 4:2). Ellen White doesn’t deny that Christ came in the flesh, but if her Christology is faulty, is she in violation with the principle behind I John 4:2? The modern application of this text is that genuine prophets must uphold biblical teachings regarding the nature and ministry of Christ; Ellen White does not, as evidenced by her emphasis on a very human Example as opposed to a divine Substitute.
Thought Questions:
1.Does the Bible clearly teach that Christ had a human nature with a propensity to sin?
2.Does the idea of the humanity of Christ diminish His divinity?
3.Is the humanity of Christ doctrine just simple cover for perfectionism? If Jesus was perfect in His human nature, and if He had no advantage over human beings, then shouldn’t His followers also achieve perfection?
4.Did Christ come to show us that we can keep the law?
- vaag new age groen koord visioen van Jezus:S
1850 endorsement of the Apocrypha: "I SAW that the Apocrypha was the hidden book, and that the wise of these last days should understand it" - Ms 4, 1850).
- Satan was overal verantwoordelijk voor met kleine zaakjes bezig:S
- Masturbatie leidt tot massadoden? Miljoenen doden!
- Ze had dezelfde soort visioenen als Joseph Smith
- Ze had visioenen van Jezus die persoonlijke sociale relaties schijnbaar erg belangrijk vond (blabla is van de duivel x3)
- Profetieen die niet uitkomen
- Zelfverrijking
- Voegde toe aan het woord van God (verbood vlees eten, juwelen >die ze zelf wel droeg)
- Vernietigde het evangelie met de leer van het onderzoekend oordeel
- Gebruikte veel andere bronnen
- Schreef ontzettend veel boeken, wou dat iedereen die boeken verkocht ipv de bijbel? (royalties?)
- Sprak bijbel meerdere keren tegen (Jezus had zogenaamd oudere broers, etc.)
- Twijfelde zelf of haar visioenen het gevolg waren van mesmerisme
- Haatte haar vijanden (iedereen die haar niet geloofde ging naar de hel)
- Scheen niet vergevingsgezind te zijn
- Liet niks na aan de armen, schreef er wel over om geld mee te verdienen:S
- Ellen was een vrouw en gaf lering in kerken (terwijl dat volgens Paul een schande is)
- Had visioenen over de meest stomme dingen (foto’s, geld etc)
- Sprak over wetenschappelijke zaken (vulkanen en dergelijke) die later complete onzin bleken te zijn
- Ze praktiseerde niet wat ze leerde (vlees eten, zelf-ontkenning, juwelen, luxe)
- Verzegeling vindt letterlijk plaats door een engel die beslist over het lot van mensen? (ze gebruikt angst-tacktieken)
- Ellen gebruikt angst!
- Sabbath is niet bijbels!! Is niet het zegel van God! Zij leerde het als belangrijkste gebod. Wegvallen van genade
- Het evangelie is het zegel van God, de heilige geest Exodus 12, Ezechiel 9 (Ellen verpreidde 666)
- Leerde dat 10 geboden niet waren afgeschaft
- Had rare bovennatuurlijke ervaringen, spiritisme
- Leerde dat de paus de sabbath had veranderd naar zondag
- Volgelingen veranderen in farizeeers (rotte vruchten)
- Ze had new age taal, new age symboliek in schilderijen
- Ze leerde dat de verzoening van Jezus aan het kruis niet voltooid was:
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- White’s teaching about the Investigative Judgment being the reality behind the Day of Atonement required her to state that the atonement is ongoing; therefore, it was not completed at the cross as the rest of Christianity affirms
- From the Pen of Ellen White:
- “Attended by heavenly angels, our great High Priest enters the holy of holies and there appears in the presence of God to engage in the last acts of His ministration in behalf of man--to perform the work of investigative judgment and to make an atonement for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits” (GC 480).
- "As the priest entered the most holy once a year to cleanse the earthly sanctuary, so Jesus entered the most holy of the heavenly, at the end of the 2300 days of Daniel 8, in 1844, to make a final atonement for all who could be benefited by His mediation, and thus to cleanse the sanctuary” (EW 253).
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- “The intercession of Christ in man's behalf in the sanctuary above is as essential to the plan of salvation as was His death upon the cross. By His death He began that work which after His resurrection He ascended to complete in heaven” (GC 489
- “The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on record in the sanctuary until the final atonement . . . . Then by virtue of the atoning blood of Christ, the sins of all the truly penitent will be blotted from the books of heaven. Thus the sanctuary will be freed, or cleansed, from the record of sin” (PP 357-58).
- Evaluation:
- A comparison of the Ellen White quotes on the incomplete atonement with Romans 5:11 reveals that her Christology is incompatible with that of scripture. “And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement” (Rom. 5:11).
- Questions on Doctrine, a book published by the SDA leadership in 1957, states that “the sacrificial atonement was made on the cross and was provided for all men, but that in the heavenly priestly ministry of Christ our Lord, this sacrificial atonement is applied to the seeking soul” (QOD 348). The QOD explanation is inadequate because it fails to change the fact that the SDA prophet diminished the cross and highlighted the atonement supposedly taking place in the Investigative Judgment: “The intercession of Christ in man's behalf in the sanctuary above is as essential to the plan of salvation as was His death upon the cross. By His death He began that work which after His resurrection He ascended to complete in heaven” (GC 489).
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- During the period when the New Testament was being written, false teachers were denying that Christ had come in the flesh (I John 4:2). Ellen White doesn’t deny that Christ came in the flesh, but if her Christology is faulty, is she in violation with the principle behind I John 4:2? The modern application of this text is that genuine prophets must uphold biblical teachings regarding the nature and ministry of Christ; Ellen White does not, as evidenced by her teaching of the incomplete atonement.
- Thought Questions:
- 1.If the Bible says that the atonement was completed at the cross, and Ellen White says the atonement will be completed in the future, what does that tell us about Ellen White?
- 2.Does Ellen White’s picture of an ongoing atonement diminish what Christ accomplished on the cross?
- 3.What does the concept of an ongoing atonement say about the efficacy of the blood of Christ?
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- “And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement” (Rom. 5:11).
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- “For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself” (Heb. 9:24-26).
- “Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God” (I John 4:2).
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- “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction” (II Pe. 2:1).
- Ze leerde dat Jezus niet de eeuwige God is:
Is the 1898 affirmation of the divinity of Christ and the existence of the Trinity in accordance with her original writings? According to Ellen White, the Father honored Christ by making Christ equal in authority with the Father, and she goes on to state that this was the basis for Satan’s rebellion against God. Satan wanted the honor that had been given to Christ. Did Lucifer and the other angels not know that Christ was God? According to Ellen White, they were unaware of this basic fact. Had they only known, maybe they wouldn’t have fallen . . . .
Leaving his place in the immediate presence of God, Lucifer went forth to diffuse the spirit of discontent among the angels. Working with mysterious secrecy, and for a time concealing his real purpose under an appearance of reverence for God, he endeavored to excite dissatisfaction concerning the laws that governed heavenly beings, intimating that they imposed an unnecessary restraint. Since their natures were holy, he urged that the angels should obey the dictates of their own will. He sought to create sympathy for himself by representing that God had dealt unjustly with him in bestowing supreme honor upon Christ. He claimed that in aspiring to greater power and honor he was not aiming at self-exaltation, but was seeking to secure liberty for all the inhabitants of heaven, that by this means they might attain to a higher state of existence” (GC 495).
The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that he might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon his Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by himself that Christ, his Son, should be equal with himself; so that wherever was the presence of his Son, it was as his own presence. The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son he had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. Especially was his Son to work in union with himself in the anticipated creation of the earth and every living thing that should exist upon the earth. His Son would carry out his will and his purposes, but would do nothing of himself alone. The Father's will would be fulfilled in him.
Satan and his sympathizers were striving to reform the government of God. They were discontented and unhappy because they could not look into his unsearchable wisdom and ascertain his purposes in exalting his Son Jesus, and endowing him with such unlimited power and command. They rebelled against the authority of the Son” (1SP 17-19). Jezus werd dus net zo sterk geacht door Ellen als de duivel, past bij haar andere evangelie dat WIJ de strijd aan moeten gaan met de duivel mbt zonde.
- 1.If Ellen White was a true prophetess, why would God allow her to teach error for over fifty years?
- 2.Has a true prophet ever misrepresented previously established truth?
- 3.Are Ellen White’s early visions valid in light of her later teachings (and the Bible)?
- 4.Is it reasonable to believe that the heavenly beings were unaware that Jesus is God?
- 5.Why isn’t the Holy Spirit mentioned in these accounts?
- 6.Why does Ellen White call God the Father “the great Creator” when the Bible teaches that Christ is the creator of all things?
- 7.Do God’s true prophets grow from error to truth in their prophetic utterances?
- 8.Is Ellen White’s testimony regarding Christ true?
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- Charles Lee
- In his book Three Important Questions for Seventh-Day Adventists to Consider (1876), Charles Lee recalls an experience he had with Ellen White. The editor of the Swedish edition of Advent Herald, Mr. C. Carlstedt, had become seriously ill. Charles Lee, James and Ellen White, and two other persons went on a visit to Br. Carlstedt,
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- "We all knelt in prayer for the sick man; and Mrs. W. praised the Lord because he was "present with his restoring power, to raise Carlstedt, whose sickness," she said, was "not unto death, but to the glory of the Son of God. . . .
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- "On our way back Mrs. W. said to me that the Lord was there with his restoring power, and she was confident that he would be restored to health again. I told her I did not realize it, and that it was darkness to me. She did not speak to me again that evening. As I parted from them, I went direct to Chicago, to continue my meetings. A few days after I came to Chicago, Mrs. W. sent me a written testimony; and in that she says she knew that I was under the influence of devils. The next day I received a dispatch that Mr. C. was dead. I read and re-read the testimony, and said to myself, "If she could see 3 years ago that Satan should take possession of my soul and body because I would not give myself entirely up to be led by her and her husband,why could she not see that Mr. C. would die a few days before he did, as her attention was called directly to his case? And if she saw my then pitiable condition so long before, why did she not warn me before Satan got me entirely under his influence?
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- "The brethren at B.C. wrote me to come right back to the Office. I did so. When there, Mr. J. Sawyer set me to work, and I thought he was authorized to do so. Then Eld. W. came, and, in a very harsh manner asked me, "Who has set you to work here? Do you intend to come here and run the whole business?" etc. I told him who had set me to work, but then he went out. This led to what he called "laboring meetings." When he could not gain his object he turned to his wife and said, "Mrs. White, what did you see in regard to Bro. Lee's case?" She answered, "I saw that we should have to meet Spiritualism in Bro. Lee," or, "I saw that if he does not yield his independent will to be led by the leading brethren, Satan will take possession of his soul." "There, that's it," he said. "If Bro. Lee does not accept the testimony, he is beyond our reach."
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- "Her testimony was considered above the word of God. I did not know before that Mrs. W. held such a position in the Advent church. It really astonished me. She said things that I never thought a human being would say. She said, "You, foreigners, must be moulded by us for eternity. . . . A few days before we were married, Mrs. W. sent for my wife (then Miss Deedon) to come and see her. She then told her that I was "the most deceived person in the world," and warned her against me. . . . A few weeks from this, the testimony of Mrs. W. came out against me in print,and I was looked upon as a doomed man." (Charles Lee, 1876. Emphasis supplied.)
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- Here we encounter the same spirit again: If anyone would gainsay Ellen White, that person would later receive a stinging "testimony from heaven", in which he/she would be accused of being agents of Satan, led by the devil, etc. This happened time and again.
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- Later, Charles Lee learned from Br. P. Hanson that Ellen White had instructed him (Hanson) to warn the Swedish brethren against Lee, who continues his story,
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- "Bro. Hanson was very friendly to me before he came under Mrs. W.'s influence. The day before I started to Chicago in the fall of 1874, he felt so interested in me that he came 3 miles purposely to relate a dream to me that he had dreamt the night before, which he declared God had given him for my good. He dreamt that I went to meet Miss Deedon, now my wife, and then he saw that we got into a great trouble. But we came out of the troubles at last. About that time a short woman, dressed in black reform dress, came to him and took him by the hand and led him off. She appeared to him as an angel of light. But soon he heard a voice calling to him, saying, "Beware of whom you are lead." At the same time the woman's hand turned cold as a piece of ice in his hand, and she appeared to him as a dark demon. This is the substance of the dream he told me.
- "Bro. And Sr. Ericson felt very bad to hear such news about us. They did not know what to believe. It was hard for them to believe that I was led by Satan, for Sr. Ericson had been raised up from a severe illness twice by our prayer. Once while we were in B.C. We kept quiet and appealed to God to convince them of the truth. They also sought God for light in regard to us. The second morning at the family worship they were more free with us. At the breakfast table,
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- "Bro. E. related a dream to us, that he had had during the night. He said he saw a great multitude of people looking for Christ to come. In the midst of the mass was Mrs. White. -- He had never seen her, but described her perfectly. All at once it became very dark upon the earth. He looked about him, and found but a small company in comparison with the great mass he first saw. In anxiety he cried out, "Where are they all gone?" A voice answered him, "They are all lost with Mrs. White." At that he awoke terrified." (Charles Lee, 1876.)
"“The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty.” SOURCE: Ellen G. White (1903, ms 150, SDA; Commentary V, p. 1129)
This is NEW AGE Sir: Jesus did not BECOME God - this is a teaching of satan and his followers. God is God - was always and will be.
Ellen White vruchten: (pro)
- Ze hielp de kerk meerdere malen door een crisis
- Ze vestigde aandacht op het feit dat er sprake is van een strijd tussen satan en Christus
- Zorgde voor een gezond bestaan/langer leven
Theorie: duivel wil voorkomen dat escathalogische waarheden en het evangelie verenigd worden. Daarom misleidde hij Ellen White met een ander evangelie dat mensen berooft van de zekerheid van hun redding. De duivel wil mensen doen geloven dat redding niet mogelijk is/ dat redding gekocht moet worden met werken.
Bewijs:
- Zeer zorgvuldige cohesie met valse aannames die de leer van het onderzoekend oordeel ondersteunen (Jezus had een zondige aard, Jezus was een voorbeeld hoe we gered kunnen worden, Satan is een zondebok, verdraaiing van daniel 8:14 en hebreeen 9, onderzoekend oordeel bevestigd met visioenen, perfectionisme volgens de wet is een voorwaarde voor redding)
- Naarmate Ellen White ouder werd en het evangelie beter begreep namen haar visioenen af (toeval?)
- Visioenen gingen over zaken die niet van belang waren (geld, fotos en dergelijke)
- Ellen White werd rijkelijk beloond (meer dan 10 helpers, groot huis, groot inkomen, internationale superluxe reizen)
- Tegenstanders zouden automatisch naar de hel gaan omdat ze de Heilige Geest zouden tegenwerken
- Ellen White had bepaalde soort ervaringen die lijken op de ervaringen in de pinkstergemeenten
- Visioenen waren gebaseerd op andere boeken?
- Bijbelse profeten krijgen geen visioenen over vorige visioenen, Ellen White zogenaamd wel.
- Voorspelde terecht dat er een tijd zou komen dat haar getuigenissen niet meer geloofd zouden worden (is immers voorspeld in de bijbel) en zei dat dat dan het werk van Satan was.
- 2 Mensen Foy en nog een hadden de gift van profetie afgewezen waarvan 1 dacht dat het van de duivel was
- De engelen in de visioenen legden Ellen White nooit het evangelie uit (bedreiging voor haar inkomsten?)
- Vrijmetselarij was betrokken bij de founding fathers (William Miller)
- Ellen White was laagopgeleid, zwak
Ik weet 100 procent zeker dat Ellen White misleid was, Lucifer wil ons doen geloven dat de zevende dags adventisten de ene ware kerk is, maar door sabbath te prediken als voorwaarde voor redding is het in feite een antichristus-kerk, want het leert een ander evangelie, wat in feite geen evangelie is ( lees Galaten).
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BNW / Lucifer en de misleiding van het zevende dags adventisme
Ali ik weet niet of je het nog had meegekregen. Maar dit is de belangrijkste website die je ooit in je leven bent tegengekomen denk ik. Neem het eens een keertje rustig door:
http://www.goodnewsforadv(...)stigative-judgement/
http://www.goodnewsforadv(...)stigative-judgement/
Ja, het is een mooie zooi geworden he?quote:Lavender nu denkt iedereen dat dit jouw draadje is! Succes met het verdedigen van de OP.
Ben al hulp van bovenaf
aan het inroepen.
Haha hellupquote:
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Ja, het is een mooie zooi geworden he?
Ben al hulp van bovenaf
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Zijn het nu de teksten en geschriften die je het meest in je geloof overtuigen of is dat toch dat gevoel van binnen bij je?quote:
Ali ik weet niet of je het nog had meegekregen. Maar dit is de belangrijkste website die je ooit in je leven bent tegengekomen denk ik. Neem het eens een keertje rustig door:
http://www.goodnewsforadv(...)stigative-judgement/
Question authorities, fuck religion, educate yourself, Viva el individualismo!
There's only one way of life, and that's your own!
There's only one way of life, and that's your own!
Gevoel speelt geen enkele rol. Het gaat me puur om de waarheid.quote:
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Zijn het nu de teksten en geschriften die je het meest in je geloof overtuigen of is dat toch dat gevoel van binnen bij je?
Over bewezen onzin, hoeft niet gesproken te worden.quote:
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Wat doe je hier in BNW met zo'n houding.
Dan is de wel bekende smiley eerder van toepassing op u.
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Over bewezen onzin, hoeft niet gesproken te worden.
Been there, done that.
Ik was al bezig met reeksen en toen ging jij toch ook openen dus toen liep het in de soep.quote:
Lavender is het wellicht ook mogelijk terug te linken naar het eerste deel?
Even geduld, ben er mee bezig.
Dit leek me een boeiend interessant verhaal, tot ik " Ali Kanibali" las en hield ik het voor gezien.
[b]Doe'k 't now wel, doe'k 't now niet of krieg ik spiet
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[b]Op vrijdag 15 januari 2010 10:36 schreef boudemaniak het volgende:[/b]
Eindbaas ^O^
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[b]Op vrijdag 15 januari 2010 10:36 schreef boudemaniak het volgende:[/b]
Eindbaas ^O^
Verklaar u nader. Ali en ik hebben met betrekking tot het geloof van de ZDA tegengestelde overtuigingen.quote:Op vrijdag 22 februari 2013 19:10 schreef ShevaJB het volgende:
Dit leek me een boeiend interessant verhaal, tot ik " Ali Kanibali" las en hield ik het voor gezien.
Ongeacht welke overtuiging je hebt, iedereen kan en mag hier mee discussieren mits het on-topic blijft. 
