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Heb een hengeltje uitgegooid door te vragen wat de korting bij 3 stuks is 
Vissen zonder happen...
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No way dat je een vage Marktplaats gast natuurlijk 2600 Euro (of meer) vooruit gaat sturen
[ Bericht 18% gewijzigd door TheFreshPrince op 05-02-2013 00:30:21 ]
Vissen zonder happen...
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Duidelijk, zijn Avalons en je betaalt ze dik 2 keer.quote:Beste MaGNeT,
Bij afname van 3 stuks kan ik je tot 200 Euro per miner korting geven. Helaas zijn de miners momenteel op pre-order en moeten vooruit betaald worden. Echter met de garantie dat mocht, onverhoopt, de leverancier niet leveren het geld in z'n totaal wordt terug betaald. Tot op heden is dit bij onze fabrikant nooit nodig geweest maar zoals je misschien weet hebben onlangs 2 andere leveranciers wel klanten hun geld terug gegeven vanwege problemen met de levering. Dit zal in de geval echter niet nodig zijn. Zelf heb ik er ook 2 in pre-order staan.
No way dat je een vage Marktplaats gast natuurlijk 2600 Euro (of meer) vooruit gaat sturen
[ Bericht 18% gewijzigd door TheFreshPrince op 05-02-2013 00:30:21 ]
quote:Hi MaGNeT,
This is to confirm that your order no. 18923, pay-dated 02/03/2013, for 1 BitForce SC Single has been successfully entered into our system.
We will notify you with tracking information when your order ships.
For real-time updates on what is shipping now and news on projected SC products shipping schedule, please visit Jody's customer service blog at <https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blog.php/46-BFL_Jody>;.
Thank you for your interest in Butterfly Labs, Inc. and for your order.
Kind regards,
Brandon
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BF Labs, Inc. Customer Service
Welk nummer heb jij?quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2013 08:56 schreef Methamorphosis het volgende:
order 18923! sweet jezus
Ik blijf nergens met mijn schattige jalapeno
Paypal heeft het al wel bij me afgeschreven.
In behandeling tot 8 feb.....
zal deze week wel ergens een mail krijgen van BF labs.
Ben nu met bfgminer aan het minen, is het straks zo dat ik alleen het kastje via usb aan mijn pc hoef te hangen? of komt er meer bij kijken?
Windows 7
Edit: Weet jij toevallig hoeveel orders er per batch worden verstuurd?
[ Bericht 18% gewijzigd door Methamorphosis op 05-02-2013 14:37:21 ]
In behandeling tot 8 feb.....
zal deze week wel ergens een mail krijgen van BF labs.
Ben nu met bfgminer aan het minen, is het straks zo dat ik alleen het kastje via usb aan mijn pc hoef te hangen? of komt er meer bij kijken?
Windows 7
Edit: Weet jij toevallig hoeveel orders er per batch worden verstuurd?
[ Bericht 18% gewijzigd door Methamorphosis op 05-02-2013 14:37:21 ]
Hoi,
Ik heb normaal een hekel aan bedelen, maar ik heb snel 0,07 BTC nodig. Kan iemand me dat geven? Ik kan eventueel wel 1,15 met Paypal overmaken :p
Ik kan wel 1 bitcoin kopen maar met die 0,93 ga ik dan toch niks doen en dan vind ik zonde.
Groeten,
SlacKardx
Ik heb normaal een hekel aan bedelen, maar ik heb snel 0,07 BTC nodig. Kan iemand me dat geven? Ik kan eventueel wel 1,15 met Paypal overmaken :p
Ik kan wel 1 bitcoin kopen maar met die 0,93 ga ik dan toch niks doen en dan vind ik zonde.
Groeten,
SlacKardx
we cant feed the poor but we can fund a war
14 dagen FOK!full is ¤3.quote:
Hoi,
Ik heb normaal een hekel aan bedelen, maar ik heb snel 0,07 BTC nodig. Kan iemand me dat geven? Ik kan eventueel wel 1,15 met Paypal overmaken :p
Ik kan wel 1 bitcoin kopen maar met die 0,93 ga ik dan toch niks doen en dan vind ik zonde.
Groeten,
SlacKardx
1BTC = ¤15
14 dagen FOK!full = 3/15 = 0.2BTC.
Als je me die 14 dagen FOK!full fikst stuur ik het naar je toe. Zelf weten
. PM maar.
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Koop ik dat hier?quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2013 17:36 schreef µ het volgende:
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14 dagen FOK!full is ¤3.
1BTC = ¤15
14 dagen FOK!full = 3/15 = 0.2BTC.
Als je me die 14 dagen FOK!full fikst stuur ik het naar je toe. Zelf weten
we cant feed the poor but we can fund a war
Op 
Van de http://www.butterflylabs.com website
Netjes dat ze realistische verwachtingen wekken.
FAQ:Get Rich Quick! Not so fast...
Will these ASICs make me rich?
If you have done some calculations and have come up with numbers indicating you will be making over 9000% profit your first month, there's a good chance you may be missing something or don't understand how Bitcoins work. After reading this quick FAQ, you should do some more research on Bitcoins, how they started, how they are created and what ASIC's will mean for Bitcoin miners.
Bitcoins are "minted" at a predetermined rate which is roughly one block every 10 minutes. Just because you might now have a 4500MH/s Jalapeno does not mean you'll be making $1500+ per day/week/month. You may now be mining at 60GH/s or higher, but the network hashrate (the amount of mining across the entire Bitcoin network) may now be up in the hundreds of terahashes per second (until now, you've probably been mining in megahashes). In order to moderate the network hashrate to maintain the predetermined minting rate of one block every 10 minutes, there is a variable called difficulty. When the network hashrate goes up, the difficulty adjusts to keep the mining speed at that predetermined rate (similarly, if a whole lot of miners suddenly stopped mining resulting in the network hashrate dropping, the difficulty would drop accordingly). Difficulty adjusts every 2016 blocks.
What does this mean for you?
Using current figures, a Single SC at the current network hashrate (20.192TH/s as at 13 Jan 13) with 25 Bitcoins (BTC) mined per block, you could expect approximately USD$3670/month. BUT ... the network hashrate will be much higher once ASICs hit the mining scene so taking that into consideration, we should factor in a jump of difficulty to cater for the increased hashrate of 1000% (10x) in the short term. Current price (MTGox) for BTC is USD$14.14 (rounded). So, using that information, and for estimation purposes a conservative flat rate of USD13 per BTC, a safe assumption to make when working out your mining returns is USD6 per month per GH/s (@ 13 Jan 13)
Maximum income per month for the BFL ASICs (using the above) with no overclocking and ZERO power costs in USD is would therefore be around the following:
Jalapeno - $27/mth
"Little" Single - $180/mth
Single - $360/mth
Minirig - $9000/mth
Bear in mind these are laboratory examples (i.e. in a perfect and controlled world) and your returns may not necessarily be this high. These values will definitely fluctuate daily as the market value of BTC fluctuates and hashrates/difficulty changes. If you want to run your own calculations check out many of the BTC calculators online ranging from simple to complex. Here's an example to start you off: http://bitcoinx.com/profit/
What if you got the difficulty wrong above?
It's true there's no real way to predict what difficulty will be a week, month or year after ASIC's hit the network. This table should therefore give you an indication of what you could possibly expect in a perfect world if you were mining at difficulty rates of current, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35 & 40 times the current rate (3249550) per 24hr. You certainly shouldn't expect the current (x1) rates to be acheived unless you're lucky enough to get hold of your ASIC in first 24/48hrs of being available (so make the most of it if you do).
This table does not include power consumption or payback of any investment made to purchase your device(s). You should also be able to figure out the BTC/USD exchange rate for yourselves. The formula used for these figures is:
(H x B / D) x (60 x 60 x 24 x 65535 x 10^6 / 2^48)where H = your hash rate in Mhash/s, B = block reward in BTC & D is the current (or expected) difficulty. These figures have been rounded DOWN to 8 decimal places.
Netjes dat ze realistische verwachtingen wekken.
FAQ:Get Rich Quick! Not so fast...
Will these ASICs make me rich?
If you have done some calculations and have come up with numbers indicating you will be making over 9000% profit your first month, there's a good chance you may be missing something or don't understand how Bitcoins work. After reading this quick FAQ, you should do some more research on Bitcoins, how they started, how they are created and what ASIC's will mean for Bitcoin miners.
Bitcoins are "minted" at a predetermined rate which is roughly one block every 10 minutes. Just because you might now have a 4500MH/s Jalapeno does not mean you'll be making $1500+ per day/week/month. You may now be mining at 60GH/s or higher, but the network hashrate (the amount of mining across the entire Bitcoin network) may now be up in the hundreds of terahashes per second (until now, you've probably been mining in megahashes). In order to moderate the network hashrate to maintain the predetermined minting rate of one block every 10 minutes, there is a variable called difficulty. When the network hashrate goes up, the difficulty adjusts to keep the mining speed at that predetermined rate (similarly, if a whole lot of miners suddenly stopped mining resulting in the network hashrate dropping, the difficulty would drop accordingly). Difficulty adjusts every 2016 blocks.
What does this mean for you?
Using current figures, a Single SC at the current network hashrate (20.192TH/s as at 13 Jan 13) with 25 Bitcoins (BTC) mined per block, you could expect approximately USD$3670/month. BUT ... the network hashrate will be much higher once ASICs hit the mining scene so taking that into consideration, we should factor in a jump of difficulty to cater for the increased hashrate of 1000% (10x) in the short term. Current price (MTGox) for BTC is USD$14.14 (rounded). So, using that information, and for estimation purposes a conservative flat rate of USD13 per BTC, a safe assumption to make when working out your mining returns is USD6 per month per GH/s (@ 13 Jan 13)
Maximum income per month for the BFL ASICs (using the above) with no overclocking and ZERO power costs in USD is would therefore be around the following:
Jalapeno - $27/mth
"Little" Single - $180/mth
Single - $360/mth
Minirig - $9000/mth
Bear in mind these are laboratory examples (i.e. in a perfect and controlled world) and your returns may not necessarily be this high. These values will definitely fluctuate daily as the market value of BTC fluctuates and hashrates/difficulty changes. If you want to run your own calculations check out many of the BTC calculators online ranging from simple to complex. Here's an example to start you off: http://bitcoinx.com/profit/
What if you got the difficulty wrong above?
It's true there's no real way to predict what difficulty will be a week, month or year after ASIC's hit the network. This table should therefore give you an indication of what you could possibly expect in a perfect world if you were mining at difficulty rates of current, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35 & 40 times the current rate (3249550) per 24hr. You certainly shouldn't expect the current (x1) rates to be acheived unless you're lucky enough to get hold of your ASIC in first 24/48hrs of being available (so make the most of it if you do).
This table does not include power consumption or payback of any investment made to purchase your device(s). You should also be able to figure out the BTC/USD exchange rate for yourselves. The formula used for these figures is:
(H x B / D) x (60 x 60 x 24 x 65535 x 10^6 / 2^48)where H = your hash rate in Mhash/s, B = block reward in BTC & D is the current (or expected) difficulty. These figures have been rounded DOWN to 8 decimal places.
Hallo, ik ben mij een beetje aan het inlezen over Bitcoins, heb zelf nog geen ervaring. Wat ik heb gehoord is dat je dus ook zonder van je bankrekening gebruik te maken Bitcoins kan omzetten in Euro's. Klopt dat? Dus dat je bijvoorbeeld naar Bruna gaat, en daar cash krijgt voor je Coins?
Of ben ik gek.
Of ben ik gek.
If you fear for the morality of your wives, educat. of your childr., the solidarity of your armchairs, privatized prisons, factory farms and the secu. of the state...then you are right. But what can you do?You are rotten, and the fire has been lit
Moet je wel iemand vinden die jouw bitcoins accepteert en jou er geld voor wil gevenquote:
Hallo, ik ben mij een beetje aan het inlezen over Bitcoins, heb zelf nog geen ervaring. Wat ik heb gehoord is dat je dus ook zonder van je bankrekening gebruik te maken Bitcoins kan omzetten in Euro's. Klopt dat? Dus dat je bijvoorbeeld naar Bruna gaat, en daar cash krijgt voor je Coins?
Of ben ik gek.
. In Nederlandse winkels kan dat nog niet...
జ్ఞా
En alweer een stijging van 1,5% sinds je dat zei.quote:
Ik ben nie hier voor de pingpong te schpelen
In 9 dagen je asic terugverdienen... Wat moet het fijn zijn om als eerste zo'n ding aan te zetten.twitter:jgarzik twitterde op zaterdag 09-02-2013 om 08:04:18 Including electricity costs, the Avalon ASIC #bitcoin miner has now paid for itself. reageer retweet
Including electricity costs, the Avalon ASIC
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Whehe, ik schrik me net de pleuris. Normaal kijk ik mtgox in dollar, want ik weet het prijsverloop ongeveer in dollars. Had ik 'm geswitcht naar euro, loop ik even weg, kom ik later terug, denk ik dat er $6 van de prijs af is 
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Één van de weinigen die dat gaat reddenquote:Op zondag 10 februari 2013 15:20 schreef µ het volgende:
In 9 dagen je asic terugverdienen... Wat moet het fijn zijn om als eerste zo'n ding aan te zetten.twitter:jgarzik twitterde op zaterdag 09-02-2013 om 08:04:18 Including electricity costs, the Avalon ASIC #bitcoin miner has now paid for itself. reageer retweet
