[NFL] 2011-2012 #26 And so the waiting begins..

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Op maandag 5 maart 2012 04:33 schreef The_Playmaker het volgende:

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Op maandag 5 maart 2012 18:25 schreef rgras het volgende:

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http://www.nfl.com/news/s(...)est-deal-qb-declined

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Op maandag 5 maart 2012 17:31 schreef RobertoCarlos het volgende:
Hoeveel spelers zijn er nou daadwerkelijk geblesseerd geraakt en hoe erg?

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Four kickers -- Josh Scobee, Matt Prater, Mike Nugent, Phil Dawson -- have been franchise tagged and Connor Barth likely to become fifth.

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Op maandag 5 maart 2012 19:57 schreef The_Playmaker het volgende:

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Daar gaat het niet om. Het gaat om het feit dat de spelers geld kregen om opzettelijk spelers te blesseren en dat de coaching staff en general manager er helemaal niks aan deden om het te stoppen. Dat heeft niks meer met sport te maken.

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Op maandag 5 maart 2012 20:18 schreef RobertoCarlos het volgende:

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Fel antwoord op een simpele informatieve vraag

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Op maandag 5 maart 2012 21:32 schreef Boe-man het volgende:

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Favre en Warner

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Op maandag 5 maart 2012 20:00 schreef Days-Of-Wild het volgende:
Franchise tags vliegen je om de oren vandaag, maar dit vind ik toch wel het meest opmerkelijke:

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Kickers zijn kennelijk hot.

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Op maandag 5 maart 2012 21:59 schreef rgras het volgende:
Het verschilt per positie, hier wat cijfers van 2010: http://en.wikipedia.org/w(...)er_costs_by_position

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Peter King writes that, after an unflagged high-low hit on Brett Favre resulted in a sprained ankle, an unnamed Saints defender was heard saying on an on-field microphone, “Pay me my money!”

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Op woensdag 7 maart 2012 00:31 schreef The_Playmaker het volgende:
Ondertussen zijn Payton en Loomis samen met een statement naar buiten gekomen waarin ze toegeven dat ze van alles afwisten en dat ze er spijt van hebben. Ik vind het toch wel vreemd dat vooral Greg Williams en Loomis er van langs krijgen maar Payton toch wel buiten schot blijft. Die moet ook gewoon hard aangepakt worden. Vooral nu hij openlijk toegeeft dat hij er weldegelijk vanaf wist.

Peter King had ook interessant nieuws te melden rondom deze zaak:

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Op woensdag 7 maart 2012 01:21 schreef Boe-man het volgende:

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Favre vond het ook niet erg.

Het punt het is ook dat american football gaat om harde hits, dus met of zonder bounty, je probeert iemand zo hard mogelijk te raken.

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Op woensdag 7 maart 2012 01:31 schreef The_Playmaker het volgende:

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Er is een héél groot verschil om iemand zo hard mogelijk te raken of iemand zo hard mogelijk te raken met de opzet om hem te blesseren. In college krijgen spelers ook een sticker op hun helm voor een harde hit en daar is niks mis mee. De bounties waren geldbedragen om niet alleen speler hard te hitten maar ook per brancard van het veld te dragen.

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Op woensdag 7 maart 2012 02:12 schreef Boe-man het volgende:

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Ach, kom op zeg, die spelers verdienen miljoen per jaar, alsof die $1500 uitmaakt dan. Het is meer een poule systeem.

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Op woensdag 7 maart 2012 02:12 schreef Boe-man het volgende:

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Ach, kom op zeg, die spelers verdienen miljoen per jaar, alsof die $1500 uitmaakt dan. Het is meer een poule systeem.

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Freeman took offense to Jenkins' hit near the sideline not because it was late but because it occurred near his knee. Saints defenders hit Bucs receivers two or three times earlier with low blows to the knee area, including a hit by Mitchell that knocked Kareem Huggins from the game. Winslow also got up gimpy after a couple of submarine shots by Harper. The Bucs finally had had enough and Freeman went after Jenkins, who was whistled for an unnecessary roughness penalty for the late hit and an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for taking a swing at Freeman. The result was 30 yards in penalties.

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Josh Freeman: Saints took cheap shots
By Pat Yasinskas

The New Orleans Saints continue to take hits from every angle for running what the NFL has said was a “bounty program’’ over the past three seasons.

The latest shot comes from Tampa Bay, where Buccaneers quarterback Josh Freeman said he and his teammates were warned by their former coaches to watch out for cheap shots when playing the Saints the last three years.

“We just knew every time we played the Saints, they were going to take some cheap shots,’’ Freeman told The Tampa Bay Times. "I mean, it was always something we acknowledged. We knew Gregg Williams’ defenses were physical and they were going to get after you. Knowing what we know now, it’s not surprising that was the system that was set up for them.

“It is what it is. I’d just say it’s not surprising.''

During a 2010 game in Tampa Bay, Freeman was hit out of bounds by New Orleans safety Malcolm Jenkins, who was fined $10,000 for an illegal hit. Freeman said he knows many of the New Orleans players and has no personal grudges against them.

He also acknowledged football is a physical game, but he said games with the Saints were different than games with other teams.

"Everybody plays hard, but nobody goes out and tries to hurt each other,'' Freeman said. "You go out to hit people hard, you know, straight up. But we didn’t see whole lot of that other stuff except when we were playing the Saints.''

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NFL must admit that rules have changed

UPDATED MAR 6, 2012 2:47 AM ET

John Lynch played for 15 years in the NFL for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Denver Broncos. The NFL on FOX analyst generally was regarded as one of the hardest-hitting safeties ever to play.

The circus officially arrived on Park Avenue in Manhattan on Monday as Bountygate reached the offices of the NFL.

Former New Orleans Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was summoned to New York to meet with NFL investigators about league allegations that Williams was running a bounty program in New Orleans and apparently at a few other places he previously worked (Washington and Buffalo).

Over the past few days I've heard a few people, including former players, say that this is a league-wide problem. That's total BS. I played in the NFL for 15 years for two teams and never once was offered money to knock someone out of a game. If I had been offered money, I'd be a really wealthy man today. I even called some of my friends that played to see if they ever had been offered any bounties. None had. Don't get me wrong, we had player-generated incentives within our locker room, like $500 for interceptions or forced fumbles, but never, ever for hurting someone.

I'm not saying that there never have been bounties. When I first came into the league in '93, I heard other players talking about them, but those were more in terms of big hits and not hurting people. Coincidentally, teams stopped that process once the salary cap became part of the NFL. Any incentives were seen by the league as trying to circumvent the cap.

And I certainly heard the rumors about the 2009 NFC Championship Game between the Saints and Vikings where a bounty was put out on Minnesota quarterback Brett Favre. In the league investigation that came out Friday, that now appears to be the case. The report said that Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma offered any defensive teammate $10,000 to knock Favre out of the game. Favre took some big shots in that game, and I remember thinking a couple of them were borderline late and could have been called as penalties.

Favre since has come out and said, "It's football" and that he is not upset with the Saints. That's the way Brett is. If I heard somebody had a bounty on me, it wouldn't have bothered me, but I certainly would have had my head on a swivel.

I think the biggest fallacy is that most players are out to hurt other players. I never experienced that.

As a safety, I did want players that came into my area to know they were going to pay for it. If a receiver came my way, I wanted to make it uncomfortable for him, to make sure he thought twice about coming my way again. Or if a running back was fighting for extra yards, I punished him to make sure he would have second thoughts about fighting for those extra yards the next time. But I never did it with the intent of injuring or taking someone out of the game.

That's the mentality that defenses are supposed to have, and it's how football should be played. It's ridiculous to think any other way.

It appears that most of the Saints chain of command knew what was going on. Sean Payton is a good friend of mine, and I think he's one of the best coaches in the game. While I think most of this is on Williams, some responsibility still falls on Payton and general manager Mickey Loomis if they didn't try to put an immediate stop to this once they found out.

With his decision, commissioner Roger Goodell has a great opportunity to reinforce one of his top initiatives of player safety, so he's got to prove he's serious.

Today's game is so fast, and players sometimes are being fined over a matter of inches. To do something as blatant as the Saints were doing — to try to hurt players and knock them out of the game — is egregious in my mind.

I think the commissioner has to make a big statement with the punishment. Whatever the punishment is, it needs to be reflected in the severity of what the Saints did. If he doesn't act accordingly, he'll lose credibility with the players.

However, there is one thing that is still bugging me about all of this. The league wants you to believe that the rules haven't changed. But they have.

I recently watched an NFL Films show on big hits that included old footage, and I can't tell you how many players would have been fined or suspended by today's standards — and I only watched for 15 minutes.

I think there's a little bit of hypocrisy going on. The NFL can't have it both ways. It can't celebrate the hits on one hand, yet come down on the players on the other. And that's always been the frustration of a lot of players.

I started playing in 1993, and I don't think I was fined for a hit the first four years of my career. Then, I was fined for the first time in 1997. I can tell you my game didn't change one bit. I was still playing the exact same way.

I've talked to Goodell, and I truly do think he cares a lot about the players. And if player safety is the way the league is going to go, then the first step needs to be for the NFL to admit that the rules have changed.

Tell players that with the new information the league has received, it thinks it's best for the players that the rules have changed. It will go a long way to help players understand the league's position, because I think the league loses a little credibility when it fines players for some of the unavoidable hits that are taking place.

I'm still not sure if the studies that have been done so far give us enough information to determine the true effect these hits are having on players. But I have talked to players who have been involved with the studies, and they say the guys who are feeling the most long-term effects are the interior lineman, the guys who butt heads play in and play out.

I guess you could say the lineman are a little like boxers; they are getting jabbed on every play. It's not necessarily the guys taking the big hits, but the guys up front who are suffering the most trauma.

The NFL is a multibillion-dollar industry. If you want to make safety better, dump money into technology. Develop a helmet that's safer. I'd challenge every graduate school in the country and give $5 million to the winner for developing the best, safest helmet.

What can't be forgotten is that football is a rough game and that big hits are a part of being under football's big top. It's one of the reasons why it has become America's No. 1 sport.