quote:Precies, dit systeem is "geboren"(cut-off) vanuit de Atlantische hoogtetrog.
Daarnaast voldoet dit systeem ook niet aan de definities van tropische storingen(depressies) of cyclonen. Deze ontstaan in de ITCZ (intertropische convergentiezone) zone. Ook de warme kern ontbreekt.
Ciao Johann
Of anders....??quote:Op zondag 6 november 2011 15:55 schreef meteo-online het volgende:
Nou berg je weer en thee servies maar op!!!!!11!!
Heeft het beestje al een naam?quote:Op zondag 6 november 2011 15:57 schreef meteo-online het volgende:
Gaat het kapot door de tropische storm
Nee, zal het ook niet gaan krijgen. Meteoroloog van Zwitserse media zit om deze tekst smakelijk te lachen. Zie post van mij waaromquote:
Dat heeft de Telegraaf weer zonder na te denken overgenomen.quote:Op maandag 7 november 2011 11:30 schreef meteo-online het volgende:
Stukje weerwoord.....
NOS-teletekst meldt nog altijd "Boven de Middellandse Zee wordt vannacht een zware storm verwacht" en de website van Trouw zegt op gezag van het ANP: "De problemen zijn nog niet voorbij. Meteorologen waarschuwen voor een tropische storm boven de Middellandse Zee. De weermodellen voorspellen voor zondagavond en in de nacht van zondag op maandag windsnelheden boven de 100 kilometer per uur in vooral het zuiden van Frankrijk en het oosten van Spanje."
De feiten:
Momenteel staat er boven de westelijke Middellandse Zee hooguit windkracht 6. De luchtdruk is overal aan het oplopen; de kern van de depressie is nu zo'n 1005 hPa tegen 1000 hPa eerder vandaag.
Helaas is blijkbaar Weatherservice.be erin geslaagd een overdreven verhaal te laten doordringen in de pers. Ongetwijfeld is het aantal bezoekers van de site van die 'service' sterk gestegen. Namens alle meteorologen en serieuze weeramateurs, hartelijk dank voor dit stukje desinformatie
De Telegraaf heeft gisteren alle informatie omtrent die depressie gekregen, helaas hebben ze er niets mee gedaan. Ook de zinnetjes van TS dat de Telegraaf het opgepikt heeft klopt niet. Maar goed, TS heeft altijd een grote mond dat hij geen sensatie verkoopt, maar dit is een heel mooi voorbeeld dat hij het wel doet. TS volgende keer eerst eens naar je eigen kijken alvorens je over andere gaat hebben. Door dit flutbericht, wat nergens op slaat, is de term meteorologie weer schade toegebracht.quote:Op maandag 7 november 2011 12:03 schreef aloa het volgende:
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Dat heeft de Telegraaf weer zonder na te denken overgenomen.
Nieuwste sensationele kop in de Telegraaf: http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)_kouder__.html?p=1,1
Komt ieder jaar wel voor dat er een "verdacht" systeem is, zou me meer concentreren op IJslandquote:Op maandag 7 november 2011 19:38 schreef Frutsel het volgende:
Komen die daar vaak voor? Als ik dat satelietshotje bekijk dan lijkt het wel op een kleine orkaan
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Ze krijgen dus nog veel meer water aan de Cote D Azur
Bron: Estofexquote:****** Tropical storm 01M/99L ******
SUMMARY: 8th NOV. 2011, 0600 UTC
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LOCATION...41.5N 5.8E
ABOUT 108 NM...200 KM SE OF MARSEILLE
ABOUT 126 NM...233 KM W OF AJACCIO, CORSICA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...52 MPH...83 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...ROUGHLY 5KM/H TO THE EAST
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... ROUGHLY 1000 hPa
UPDATE 06UTC: The center of the cyclone again became better organized with the strongest convection now in the southern and eastern part (maybe enhanced by the jet streak, which passes by to the SE). Some slow movement to the east occurred but despite a further consolidating cyclone, latest reports do not indicate any strengthening (also assisted by ASCAT data). No further surface reports were available.
NOTE 1: Despite issuing new ESTOFEX updates, this part of the outlook will be updated when new informations become available. Please check this table for further updates during the upcoming 24 hours.
NOTE 2: ESTOFEX is not responsible for forecasting any tropical storm activity. This is just an additional information and therefore captured as a "side-note". For more informations, please contact the following address of the Satellite Analysis Branch (http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/2011/bulletins/archive.html,[SAB]).
As of 18 UTC (7th Nov.), the Satellite Analysis Branch upgraded the depression over the W-Mediterranean to "Tropical system 01M", as convection persisted for an adequate time atop the center. Since then, deep convection weakened somewhat with warming cloud tops next to the center. Nevertheless, very good banding is now present in all quadrants with good outflow atop (especially to the NE, pointing to a 30 m/s 300 hPa jet). A Dvorak number-pressure relation was used for the pressure classification (also at 21Z at the 7th, a ship at position N 41°36' , E 6°06' reported a pressure of 1005.0 mb with 38kt winds from 160°). The final wind strength reflects the intensity of the latest SAB guidance.
There remains some time left for further intensification, before geopotential heights slowly increase during the end of the forecast period. We would not be surprised to see another flare-up of DMC along the center due to the convective cycle of those features (peaking during the morning hours). The N-outflow may weaken somewhat as the upper jet to the north weakens, but at the same time the southern outflow channel could take profit of a 300 hPa streak, which crosses Sicily during the forecast from SW to NE. SSTs remain at or above 20°C, whereas 500 hPa temperatures gradually warm up 1-2K until 06Z. Combining all those effects, some further organization/strengthening is forecast if this system can support more convective bursts along the center before overall conditions become somewhat less favorable during the night hours onwards.
The storm motion is handeled badly by the models...without surprise. 01M is captured in a very weak steering flow and most models now show a system, which meanders around between the Balearic Islands and Corsica/Sardinia. In any case, residents along the adjacent coasts should keep a close eye on the further development of this feature as bands of strong convection may bring heavy downpours next to gusty winds.
A level 1 was issued not for the system itself (as we do not forecast tropical cyclone activity), but for the showers/thunderstorms, which accompany that cyclone. The level 1 covers heavy rainfall and strong to isolated severe wind gusts.
quote:Mediterranean storm: tempest in a teapot
A hybrid storm currently lashing the French Riviera with gusty winds, rough seas and rain is rare, but not unheard of for the Mediterranean Sea.
This particular storm seems to have been born out of a slow-moving, upper-level storm pestering the area from Spain and France to Italy since the middle of last week.
The parent storm funneled torrential rain into Genoa, Italy, last week, causing approximately half a dozen deaths and considerable destruction from flash flooding.
The storm near the French Rivera is forecast to break down over the next couple of days. However, heavy rain can lead to flash flooding, mudslides and landslides in the region. Locally gusty winds can reach near 50 mph along the coast. Seas may remain dangerous for bathers into the end of the week.
According to World Weather Expert Jim Andrews, "Although more like a polar storm, rather than a tropical storm, these 'tempests in a tea pot' seem to crop up, on average once every year."
The overall surface area of the Mediterranean is very small when compared to the Atlantic. Although relatively similar in size to the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean, it is longer and skinnier, making it tougher for tropical storm formation.
"The surface temperature of the Mediterranean Sea is much lower, on average, when compared to the Caribbean and the Gulf. It does approach minimal operating temperature for tropical storms during the late summer," Andrews said.
The surface of the Mediterranean Sea reaches about 80 degrees Fahrenheit during late August in some locations.
Interestingly, it seems the storms are more likely to form as Europe cools down in the fall and winter, when the water is warmest relative to the land. Hence, arguing against the suggestion of their tropical or even subtropical nature.
Perhaps Mediterranean storms of this caliber need a classification of their own.
One has to wonder how many storms of similar nature have foiled invasions on the shores of the Mediterranean over the centuries.
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