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quote:Guardian
Analysis: Rebel leaders cautious as airstrikes reshape battle against Gaddafi
Libyan revolution's leaders privately acknowledge turnaround is no reason to believe they can pull off military victory
The barrelling advance of Libya's rebel army over the weekend was even more rapid than its panicked retreat in the face of Muammar Gaddafi's guns a fortnight earlier.
But the revolution's leaders privately acknowledge that the turnaround in the fortunes of its ill-disciplined and poorly trained forces, which took back all the lost ground in a matter of hours without a fight, is no reason to believe they can pull off a military victory.
The conflict has been reshaped by the western air strikes against Gaddafi's tanks and guns.
But as the rebels move closer to the town of Sirte, the revolutionary council is attempting to bring on board disparate tribal and local leaders and encourage a popular uprising to pave the way for a rebel takeover.
Sirte is Gaddafi's birthplace, and he is likely to heavily defend the town. Part of the problem for the revolutionaries is that they say they lack the weapons to fight, although they have seized a number of tanks, armoured vehicles and guns abandoned during the hurried retreat of Gaddafi's army.
Even if the rebels have the men trained to use them which is open to question it will be hard to turn such weapons on Sirte when the UN resolution authorising air strikes specifically says those strikes are designed to protect civilians.
In those circumstances, it would be the rebels who threatened unarmed Libyans. Nato and the coalition would be hard put justifying air strikes to help the insurgents take a town which has not revolted against Gaddafi, particularly if the revolutionaries are endangering its population.
The revolutionary council hopes to alter that equation by inducing the people of Sirte to rise up against Gaddafi, in part by persuading local leaders in a town still thought to be broadly loyal to its son to recognise the tide of history and switch sides.
If the revolutionaries can pull it off, Gaddafi would face the option of putting down the uprising by force and so create a justification for air strikes or ceding control.
But if he were to lose Sirte, it would be likely to have a profound and possibly fatal political impact across the areas of Libya he still controls.
hoezo adhd ?
quote:NicRobertsonCNN
Six loud explosions in #Tripoli short while ago, followed by sustained blasts of anti aircraft fire. #Libya
1 minute ago via web
They are reporting that they are seeing ppl fleeing towards #Tripoli from #Sirte. #Libya
2 minutes ago via web
Reports from intl journalists heading to #Sirte from #Tripoli in a govt convey which following the so-called green march" (MORE)
3 minutes ago via web
hoezo adhd ?
quote:Op zondag 27 maart 2011 20:45 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:
NicRobertsonCNN
Six loud explosions in #Tripoli short while ago, followed by sustained blasts of anti aircraft fire. #Libya
1 minute ago via web
quote:dovenews
BREAKING!!! sound of 6 explosions in Tripoli
less than 20 seconds ago via web
hoezo adhd ?
kan ik hierop uit maken dat dat dus allemaal coalitie is ?quote:20:28 Al Jazeera Arabic Air strikes have hit the town of Sirt, Gaddafis hometown. Al Jazeera report that 2 explosions were heard in Sirt. 6 explosions have been reported in Tripoli.
hoezo adhd ?
quote:libyansrevolt Now getting reports that #Khamis brigade I tweeted about last week could have been target #libya #feb17
3 minutes ago via web
libyansrevolt Source on the ground: 6 massive consecutive explosions confirmed in #Tripoli - possible in #Gaddafi compound location unclear #libya #feb17
4 minutes ago via web
hoezo adhd ?
Toch jammer dat er geen livebeelden zijn vanuit Tripoli, je leest nu maar wat, maar je kan niet zien hoe, wat en waar.
Het maakt het extra lastig om te volgen.
Het maakt het extra lastig om te volgen.
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Zengazi: Gah! my aunt is happy today. She says the ppl of Sirte are NOT with Gaddafi.
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Snooker is top!!!
Snooker is top!!!
Libya air raids target Gadhafi hometown of Sirte
1 minute ago via web
BRQNews: Revolutionaries R already on the outskirts of #Sirte. May Allah be with them, protect them, return them victorious, Ameen #Libya
half a minute ago via Facebook
MilitantNews: #Libya Should not forget that 2 weeks ago when rebels surrounded #Sirte there were reports of clashes inside the town between pro+anti Gaddquote:By Hadeel Al-Shalchi Associated Press
Posted: 03/27/2011 12:43:21 PM PDT
Updated: 03/27/2011 12:43:21 PM PDT
TRIPOLI, Libya -- Libyan state television reports that international airstrikes are targeting Moammar Gadhafi's hometown and stronghold of Sirte for the first time. Foreign journalists in the city reported loud explosions and warplanes flying overheard.
Sirte is strategically located about halfway between the rebel-held east and the Gadhafi-controlled west along a key coastal highway. Rebels were advancing rapidly west on the highway Sunday toward Sirte after international airstrikes eased their way.
An Associated Press reporter in the capital said international forces were also heavily bombarding the city that is Gadhafi's main support base. There were at least nine loud explosions in Tripoli after nightfall and anti-aircraft fire was heard.
1 minute ago via web
BRQNews: Revolutionaries R already on the outskirts of #Sirte. May Allah be with them, protect them, return them victorious, Ameen #Libya
half a minute ago via Facebook
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@FMCNL:
B-1B bombers airborne BONE 34/35/37 Ellsworth AFB [KRCA] overhead Atlantic 45N 30W next contact Shanwick on 5598.0 or 8906.0 #OOD
Dat zijn ook wel stoere vliegtuigjes, maar kunnen ze precisie bombardementen uitvoeren? Dacht dat het een soort moderne B-52 was.
B-1B bombers airborne BONE 34/35/37 Ellsworth AFB [KRCA] overhead Atlantic 45N 30W next contact Shanwick on 5598.0 or 8906.0 #OOD
Dat zijn ook wel stoere vliegtuigjes, maar kunnen ze precisie bombardementen uitvoeren? Dacht dat het een soort moderne B-52 was.
Op BBC world was er vanavond een interview met Rumsveld 
welke o.a. zei dat G nu sowieso het veld moest ruimen omdat het voor o.a de VS slecht zou zijn wanneer hij bleef zitten,. Hij haalde daarbij als voorbeeld de situatie met Saddam Hussein aan, toen die bleef zitten na de 1e golfoorlog.
Verder verdedigde hij Bush toen gevraagd werdt of het geen fout was geweest van Bush om 'peace' te maken met Gadaffi na o.a. Lockerbie. Rumsveld vertelde hierbij dat door het 'peace' maken Gadaffi waarnemers had toegelaten en gestopt was met zijn nucleaire programma.
welke o.a. zei dat G nu sowieso het veld moest ruimen omdat het voor o.a de VS slecht zou zijn wanneer hij bleef zitten,. Hij haalde daarbij als voorbeeld de situatie met Saddam Hussein aan, toen die bleef zitten na de 1e golfoorlog.Verder verdedigde hij Bush toen gevraagd werdt of het geen fout was geweest van Bush om 'peace' te maken met Gadaffi na o.a. Lockerbie. Rumsveld vertelde hierbij dat door het 'peace' maken Gadaffi waarnemers had toegelaten en gestopt was met zijn nucleaire programma.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Eerlijk: voor Amerikaanse belangen was het zeker niet fout vrede te maken met Gadafi. Meneer de kolonel is netjes gedraaid 180% en zal zich nu heel erg verraden voelen want hij is braaf geworden: stopzetten v nucleaire programma, inzetten tegen de "terroristen", netjes vluchtelingen tegenhouden in Afrika etc.
Oorlog is de verderzetting van de politiek maar met andere middelen - Clausewitz
Tripoli woman was in anti-Gaddafi protest --cousin
BENGHAZI, Libya, March 27 (Reuters) - A Libyan woman who burst into a Tripoli hotel to show journalists injuries she blamed on Muammar Gaddafi's militia was first targeted by the authorities after a protest, her cousin said on Sunday.
Eman al-Obaidi entered a hotel where foreign journalists were staying on Saturday to show bruises and scars she said were caused by militiamen. After being intimidated by security men and hotel staff, she was bundled into a car and driven away.
Wadad Omar, who said she was her cousin, said Obaidi was originally from east Libya and was first arrested after taking part in a protest in the early days of the uprising in the western city of Zawiyah.
Omar said Obaidi was detained on her way back from Zawiyah to Tripoli, along with other women with her at that protest.
Omar said Obaidi was from the eastern city of Tobruk and was working for a tourism company in Tripoli when she was arrested.
Omar said the family did not know what had happened to Obaidi except for the little information they were able to glean from her sister's appearance on Libyan television on Sunday.
"(Obaidi's) sister went on television to say her sister is crazy," Omar said. "Muammar wants to prove to the world that she is insane. She (Obaidi's sister) is certainly under pressure from the government."
Residents in Benghazi staged a demonstration in support of Obaidi on Sunday, waving monarchy-era flags -- the adopted symbol of rebels -- and chanting as they marched through the city centre. "Eman, you are not alone," one placard read.
A lawyer in Benghazi told reporters she would try to take legal action to free Obaidi, although she expected it would be extremely difficult given the current conflict.
"There were other lawyers with her, and we don't have any information abo
ut them," Omar said, naming the three other women arrested as Naimaa, Amal, and Mona.
BENGHAZI, Libya, March 27 (Reuters) - A Libyan woman who burst into a Tripoli hotel to show journalists injuries she blamed on Muammar Gaddafi's militia was first targeted by the authorities after a protest, her cousin said on Sunday.
Eman al-Obaidi entered a hotel where foreign journalists were staying on Saturday to show bruises and scars she said were caused by militiamen. After being intimidated by security men and hotel staff, she was bundled into a car and driven away.
Wadad Omar, who said she was her cousin, said Obaidi was originally from east Libya and was first arrested after taking part in a protest in the early days of the uprising in the western city of Zawiyah.
Omar said Obaidi was detained on her way back from Zawiyah to Tripoli, along with other women with her at that protest.
Omar said Obaidi was from the eastern city of Tobruk and was working for a tourism company in Tripoli when she was arrested.
Omar said the family did not know what had happened to Obaidi except for the little information they were able to glean from her sister's appearance on Libyan television on Sunday.
"(Obaidi's) sister went on television to say her sister is crazy," Omar said. "Muammar wants to prove to the world that she is insane. She (Obaidi's sister) is certainly under pressure from the government."
Residents in Benghazi staged a demonstration in support of Obaidi on Sunday, waving monarchy-era flags -- the adopted symbol of rebels -- and chanting as they marched through the city centre. "Eman, you are not alone," one placard read.
A lawyer in Benghazi told reporters she would try to take legal action to free Obaidi, although she expected it would be extremely difficult given the current conflict.
"There were other lawyers with her, and we don't have any information abo
ut them," Omar said, naming the three other women arrested as Naimaa, Amal, and Mona.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
alihashem Ali Hashem
Now that the rebels are in control of Tobruk, Brega, and Ras lanouf, they control 80% of Libya's oil exports. #libya #feb17
Now that the rebels are in control of Tobruk, Brega, and Ras lanouf, they control 80% of Libya's oil exports. #libya #feb17
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
AJE
9:30pm
The US has pulled back its naval firepower aimed at Libyan forces, a sign of confidence that the week-long assault has crippled Gaddafi's air defences, as the military mission gains ground in Tripoli.
At least one of the five navy ships and submarines that launched Tomahawk cruise missiles in the early days of the air strikes has left the area, defence officials said.
9:30pm
The US has pulled back its naval firepower aimed at Libyan forces, a sign of confidence that the week-long assault has crippled Gaddafi's air defences, as the military mission gains ground in Tripoli.
At least one of the five navy ships and submarines that launched Tomahawk cruise missiles in the early days of the air strikes has left the area, defence officials said.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Voor o.a. het toenmalige regime in de VS was het toen idd bijzonder handig.quote:
Eerlijk: voor Amerikaanse belangen was het zeker niet fout vrede te maken met Gadafi. Meneer de kolonel is netjes gedraaid 180% en zal zich nu heel erg verraden voelen want hij is braaf geworden: stopzetten v nucleaire programma, inzetten tegen de "terroristen", netjes vluchtelingen tegenhouden in Afrika etc.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Statement by NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen on Libya
NATO Allies have decided to take on the whole military operation in Libya under the United Nations Security Council Resolution. Our goal is to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas under threat of attack from the Gaddafi regime. NATO will implement all aspects of the UN Resolution. Nothing more, nothing less.
This is a very significant step, which proves NATO's capability to take decisive action.
In the past week, we have put together a complete package of operations in support of the United Nations Resolution by sea and by air. We are already enforcing the arms embargo and the No Fly Zone, and with today's decision we are going beyond. We will be acting in close coordination with our international and regional partners to protect the people of Libya.
We have directed NATO's top operational Commander to begin executing this operation with immediate effect.
NATO Allies have decided to take on the whole military operation in Libya under the United Nations Security Council Resolution. Our goal is to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas under threat of attack from the Gaddafi regime. NATO will implement all aspects of the UN Resolution. Nothing more, nothing less.
This is a very significant step, which proves NATO's capability to take decisive action.
In the past week, we have put together a complete package of operations in support of the United Nations Resolution by sea and by air. We are already enforcing the arms embargo and the No Fly Zone, and with today's decision we are going beyond. We will be acting in close coordination with our international and regional partners to protect the people of Libya.
We have directed NATO's top operational Commander to begin executing this operation with immediate effect.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
lol, daar wilde Tony Blair graag de credits voorquote:
Op BBC world was er vanavond een interview met Rumsveld
Verder verdedigde hij Bush toen gevraagd werdt of het geen fout was geweest van Bush om 'peace' te maken met Gadaffi na o.a. Lockerbie. Rumsveld vertelde hierbij dat door het 'peace' maken Gadaffi waarnemers had toegelaten en gestopt was met zijn nucleaire programma.
2019: The Great Awakening
Netjes gedraaid ? De grootste fabriek van chemische wapens stond en staat in Libië (nabij Rabta ) en het is nog lang niet zeker of ook alles vernietigd is .quote:
Eerlijk: voor Amerikaanse belangen was het zeker niet fout vrede te maken met Gadafi. Meneer de kolonel is netjes gedraaid 180% en zal zich nu heel erg verraden voelen want hij is braaf geworden: stopzetten v nucleaire programma, inzetten tegen de "terroristen", netjes vluchtelingen tegenhouden in Afrika etc.
Bovendien heeft Qaddafi nog een basis in Syrië en daar liggen scud raketten .
Rabta
Na Lockerbie kwamen er toch juist sancties. Wat een slap gelul van die Rumsfeld.quote:
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Voor o.a. het toenmalige regime in de VS was het toen idd bijzonder handig.
Goed werk!quote:Op zondag 27 maart 2011 22:16 schreef yavanna het volgende:
Statement by NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen on Libya
NATO Allies have decided to take on the whole military operation in Libya under the United Nations Security Council Resolution. Our goal is to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas under threat of attack from the Gaddafi regime. NATO will implement all aspects of the UN Resolution. Nothing more, nothing less.
This is a very significant step, which proves NATO's capability to take decisive action.
In the past week, we have put together a complete package of operations in support of the United Nations Resolution by sea and by air. We are already enforcing the arms embargo and the No Fly Zone, and with today's decision we are going beyond. We will be acting in close coordination with our international and regional partners to protect the people of Libya.
We have directed NATO's top operational Commander to begin executing this operation with immediate effect.
2019: The Great Awakening
Ja, netjes gedraaid. Het zal best wat betreft chemische wapens maar de stap naar nucleaire wapens heeft hij laten varen. Je denkt toch niet dat de Amerikanen hem anders weer in goed vaarwater hadden toegelaten, of dit uberhaupt aan het "toeval" overlieten (of op basis van vermoedens).quote:
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Netjes gedraaid ? De grootste fabriek van chemische wapens stond en staat in Libië (nabij Rabta ) en het is nog lang niet zeker of ook alles vernietigd is .
Bovendien heeft Qaddafi nog een basis in Syrië en daar liggen scud raketten .
Wat dat betreft zagen ze ook nog een bevestiging in zijn draai van 180% dat ze op een goede manier hem hadden gedwongen tot inzicht te komen. Vandaar dat Rumsfeld zo overtuigd is van zijn goede zaak haha
Oorlog is de verderzetting van de politiek maar met andere middelen - Clausewitz
