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Korea plans

US and South Korean officials have discussed plans for a united Korea, should North Korea collapse.

The US ambassador to Seoul said South Korea would consider offering commercial incentives to China to "help salve" Beijing "concerns about living with a reunified Korea".

World Leaders

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is referred to as "feckless, vain, and ineffective as a modern European leader" by a US diplomat in Rome.

In 2008, the Moscow embassy describes Russian President Dmitry Medvedev as playing "Robin to (Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's) Batman.

The cables also comment on the extremely close relationship between Mr Berlusconi and Mr Putin.

North Korea's Kim Jong-il is a "flabby old chap" suffering from trauma from a stroke, while Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is referred to as "Hitler".

South Africa's international relations and cooperation minister refers to President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe as "the crazy old man".

Iran Attack

King Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa of Bahrain is reported to have told the US to stop Iran "by whatever means necessary", while the crown prince of Abu Dhabi, Sheikh Mohammad bin Zayed, told the US he believed Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was "going to take us to war".

Wikileaks cables: key issues
  zondag 28 november 2010 @ 21:00:29 #227
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Is it an excuse?
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Wanneer kan je zelf die documenten downloaden? :P
Were making, were making!
Radio Soulwax!
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1s.gif Op zondag 28 november 2010 20:56 schreef Louis22 het volgende:

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Dat, plus, hoe zou een oorlog 'het publiek in slaap sussen'?
'Wanneer je huis in brand staat, ga je niet eerst gras maaien'. Prevalerend belang van veiligheid.
Je länger ein Blinder lebt, desto mehr sieht er - Viva la revolucion !
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1s.gif Op zondag 28 november 2010 21:01 schreef druide het volgende:

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'Wanneer je huis in brand staat, ga je niet eerst gras maaien'. Prevalerend belang van veiligheid.
Klopt wel natuurlijk, anders nieuws lekken dat aandacht afleidt helpt ook.
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US cables leak sparks global diplomatic crisis
Classified embassy dispatches reveal Saudi king pressed US for military action on Iran and Washington used diplomats to spy on UN
http://www.guardian.co.uk(...)eak-diplomacy-crisis
All those moments will be lost, like tears in rain... Time to die.
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US Warned Germany Over Bungled El-Masri Kidnapping

With over a quarter of a million WikiLeaks documents coming to light today a number of previously stalled stories are being given new life, including the bungled kidnapping of German citizen Khalid El-Masri and his subsequent abuse in US custody.

Masri was kidnapped in early 2004 by CIA officials and sent to Baghdad and later Afghanistan, where he was repeatedly abused before officials finally discovered that they meant to kidnap Khalid al-Masri, an entirely different person with a similarly spelled name.

http://news.antiwar.com/2(...)el-masri-kidnapping/

Foutje, kan gebeuren. :{
  Moderator zondag 28 november 2010 @ 21:05:20 #233
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1s.gif Op zondag 28 november 2010 21:00 schreef Sheepcidus het volgende:
Wanneer kan je zelf die documenten downloaden? :P
Je kan ze net als Wikipedia zelf insturen denk ik :P
:')
  zondag 28 november 2010 @ 21:05:53 #234
172669 Papierversnipperaar
Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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1s.gif Op zondag 28 november 2010 20:51 schreef Rookert het volgende:

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Noodzakelijkheid is al subjectief.

Het gaat niet om jou :')
Nee het zijn altijd anderen die het niet snappen en " in bescherming genomen moeten worden."
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
  zondag 28 november 2010 @ 21:08:01 #235
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Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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1s.gif Op zondag 28 november 2010 20:53 schreef Louis22 het volgende:

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Weer een zogenaamde linkse held ontmaskerd als één van hun.
Omdat hij niet snapt dat documenten stelen van zijn eigen overheid in feite hetzelfde is als het stelen van documenten van een supermacht door een willekeurige wereldburger. Logisch, want nu is zijn kindje het slachtoffer.
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
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1s.gif Op zondag 28 november 2010 21:03 schreef Politicoloog het volgende:
US Warned Germany Over Bungled El-Masri Kidnapping

With over a quarter of a million WikiLeaks documents coming to light today a number of previously stalled stories are being given new life, including the bungled kidnapping of German citizen Khalid El-Masri and his subsequent abuse in US custody.

Masri was kidnapped in early 2004 by CIA officials and sent to Baghdad and later Afghanistan, where he was repeatedly abused before officials finally discovered that they meant to kidnap Khalid al-Masri, an entirely different person with a similarly spelled name.

http://news.antiwar.com/2(...)el-masri-kidnapping/

Foutje, kan gebeuren. :{
Ziek.
  zondag 28 november 2010 @ 21:09:04 #237
172669 Papierversnipperaar
Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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1s.gif Op zondag 28 november 2010 20:55 schreef Xa1pt het volgende:

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Daar ontkom je simpelweg niet aan. Hoezeer ik daarmee ook dergelijke praktijken líjk toe te laten.
Dan ontkomen regeringen niet aan wiki- en andere leaks.
Free Assange! Hack the Planet
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
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1s.gif Op zondag 28 november 2010 20:56 schreef Louis22 het volgende:

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Dat, plus, hoe zou een oorlog 'het publiek in slaap sussen'?
Het hoeft geen all-out oorlog te zijn. Een beetje spanning is goede afleiding van dit soort genante zaken. Net zoiets als met Clinton die in de Lewinski storm besloot Irak aan te vallen. Toen had de pers weer even een ander botje.
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Ben benieuwd wat er met Iran zal gebeuren nu ook is gebleken dat Arabische landen hebben aangedrongen op een oorlog tegen Iran.
  zondag 28 november 2010 @ 21:10:31 #240
172669 Papierversnipperaar
Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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1s.gif Op zondag 28 november 2010 21:03 schreef Politicoloog het volgende:
US Warned Germany Over Bungled El-Masri Kidnapping

With over a quarter of a million WikiLeaks documents coming to light today a number of previously stalled stories are being given new life, including the bungled kidnapping of German citizen Khalid El-Masri and his subsequent abuse in US custody.

Masri was kidnapped in early 2004 by CIA officials and sent to Baghdad and later Afghanistan, where he was repeatedly abused before officials finally discovered that they meant to kidnap Khalid al-Masri, an entirely different person with a similarly spelled name.

http://news.antiwar.com/2(...)el-masri-kidnapping/

Foutje, kan gebeuren. :{
Dat soort problemen heb je niet als je verdachten meteen vermoord.
Free Assange! Hack the Planet
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
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En Zienwswijze wat vind je van het handelen van onze Amerikaanse vrienden?
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3s.gif Op zondag 28 november 2010 21:10 schreef Zienswijze het volgende:
Ben benieuwd wat er met Iran zal gebeuren nu ook is gebleken dat Arabische landen hebben aangedrongen op een oorlog tegen Iran.
Will Israel Attack Iran By Christmas?

To me, the most revealing parts of the Wikileaks diplo-docu-dump are about the Middle East. We already knew that the Sunni Arab autocrats cannot bear the thought of a Shiite nuclear bomb and are almost as worried as the Israelis. But now the evidentiary proof brings it home:

If we take Barak's word for it, the Israelis could launch World War III within a month. And would carry much of the Sunni Arab autocrats with it. One notes that Saudi foreign diplomats and functionaries are more wary about war with Iran than the royals. But there seems little discussion about the momentous consequences of a third war launched by the West against a Muslim country in less than a decade.

http://andrewsullivan.the(...)an-by-christmas.html
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[quote]The United States was catapulted into a worldwide diplomatic crisis today, with the leaking to the Guardian and other international media of more than 250,000 classified cables from its embassies, many sent as recently as February this year.

At the start of a series of daily extracts from the US embassy cables - many of which are designated "secret" the Guardian can disclose that Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN's leadership.

These two revelations alone would be likely to reverberate around the world. But the secret dispatches which were obtained by WikiLeaks, the whistlebowers' website, also reveal Washington's evaluation of many other highly sensitive international issues.

These include a major shift in relations between China and North Korea, Pakistan's growing instability and details of clandestine US efforts to combat al-Qaida in Yemen.

Among scores of other disclosures that are likely to cause uproar, the cables detail:

Grave fears in Washington and London over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme

Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime.

Devastating criticism of the UK's military operations in Afghanistan.

Claims of inappropriate behaviour by a member of the British royal family.

The US has particularly intimate dealings with Britain, and some of the dispatches from the London embassy in Grosvenor Square will make uncomfortable reading in Whitehall and Westminster. They range from serious political criticisms of David Cameron to requests for specific intelligence about individual MPs.

The cache of cables contains specific allegations of corruption and against foreign leaders, as well as harsh criticism by US embassy staff of their host governments, from tiny islands in the Caribbean to China and Russia.

The material includes a reference to Vladimir Putin as an "alpha-dog", Hamid Karzai as being "driven by paranoia" and Angela Merkel allegedly "avoids risk and is rarely creative". There is also a comparison between Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Adolf Hitler.

The cables name countries involved in financing terror groups, and describe a near "environmental disaster" last year over a rogue shipment of enriched uranium. They disclose technical details of secret US-Russian nuclear missile negotiations in Geneva, and include a profile of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who they say is accompanied everywhere by a "voluptuous blonde" Ukrainian nurse.

The cables cover secretary of state Hillary Clinton's activities under the Obama administration, as well as thousands of files from the George Bush presidency. Clinton personally led frantic damage limitation this weekend as Washington prepared foreign governments for the revelations. She contacted leaders in Germany, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf, France and Afghanistan.

US ambassadors in other capitals were instructed to brief their hosts in advance of the release of unflattering pen-portraits or nakedly frank accounts of transactions with the US which they had thought would be kept quiet. Washington now faces a difficult task in convincing contacts around the world that any future conversations will remain confidential.

"We are all bracing for what may be coming and condemn WikiLeaks for the release of classified material," state department spokesman PJ Crowley said. "It will place lives and interests at risk. It is irresponsible."

The state department's legal adviser has written to Wikileaks founder Julian Assange and his London lawyer, warning that the cables were obtained illegally and that publication would place at risk "the lives of countless innocent individuals ongoing military operations and cooperation between countries".

The electronic archive of embassy dispatches from around the world was allegedly downloaded by a US soldier earlier this year and passed to WikiLeaks. Assange made them available to the Guardian and four other newspapers: the New York Times, Der Spiegel in Germany, Le Monde in France and El País in Spain. All five plan to publish extracts from the most significant cables, but have decided neither to "dump" the entire dataset into the public domain, nor to publish names that would endanger innocent individuals. WikiLeaks says that, contrary to the state department's fears, it also initially intends to post only limited cable extracts, and to redact identities.

The cables published today reveal how the US uses its embassies as part of a global espionage network, with diplomats tasked to obtain not just information from the people they meet, but personal details, such as frequent flyer numbers, credit card details and even DNA material.

Classified "human intelligence directives" issued in the name of Hillary Clinton or her predecessor, Condoleeza Rice, instruct officials to gather information on military installations, weapons markings, vehicle details of political leaders as well as iris scans, fingerprints and DNA.

The most controversial target was the leadership of the United Nations. That directive requested the specification of telecoms and IT systems used by top UN officials and their staff and details of "private VIP networks used for official communication, to include upgrades, security measures, passwords, personal encryption keys".

When the Guardian put this allegation to Crowley, the state department spokesman said: "Let me assure you: our diplomats are just that, diplomats. They do not engage in intelligence activities. They represent our country around the world, maintain open and transparent contact with other governments as well as public and private figures, and report home. That's what diplomats have done for hundreds of years."

The dispatches also shed light on older diplomatic issues. One cable, for example, reveals, that Nelson Mandela was "furious" when a top adviser stopped him meeting Margaret Thatcher shortly after his release from prison to explain why the ANC objected to her policy of "constructive engagement" with the apartheid regime. "We understand Mandela was keen for a Thatcher meeting but that [appointments secretary Zwelakhe] Sisulu argued successfully against it," according to the cable. It continues: "Mandela has on several occasions expressed his eagerness for an early meeting with Thatcher to express the ANC's objections to her policy. We were consequently surprised when the meeting didn't materialise on his mid-April visit to London and suspected that ANC hardliners had nixed Mandela's plans."

The US embassy cables are marked "Sipdis" secret internet protocol distribution. They were compiled as part of a programme under which selected dispatches, considered moderately secret but suitable for sharing with other agencies, would be automatically loaded on to secure embassy websites, and linked with the military's Siprnet internet system.

They are classified at various levels up to "SECRET NOFORN" [no foreigners]. More than 11,000 are marked secret, while around 9,000 of the cables are marked noforn. The embassies which sent most cables were Ankara, Baghdad, Amman, Kuwait and Tokyo.

More than 3 million US government personnel and soldiers, many extremely junior, are cleared to have potential access to this material, even though the cables contain the identities of foreign informants, often sensitive contacts in dictatorial regimes. Some are marked "protect" or "strictly protect".

Last spring, 22-year-old intelligence analyst Bradley Manning was charged with leaking many of these cables, along with a gun-camera video of an Apache helicopter crew mistakenly killing two Reuters news agency employees in Baghdad in 2007, which was subsequently posted by WikiLeaks. Manning is facing a court martial.

In July and October WikiLeaks also published thousands of leaked military reports from Afghanistan and Iraq. These were made available for analysis beforehand to the Guardian, along with Der Spiegel and the New York Times.

A former hacker, Adrian Lamo, who reported Manning to the US authorities, said the soldier had told him in chat
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De beerput gaat echt open he..
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1s.gif Op zondag 28 november 2010 21:12 schreef IHVK het volgende:
De beerput gaat echt open he..
Ohja? Ik heb nog steeds niets gelezen wat mensen niet al wisten/dachten.
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Het werd altijd wel gedacht maar nu staat het zwart op wit.
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1s.gif Op zondag 28 november 2010 20:29 schreef Louis22 het volgende:

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Ik vraag me echt af wat voor figuren het zijn die hun hackersskills prostitueren aan overheden.
Maagden.
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Lijkt wel the Matrix.
  zondag 28 november 2010 @ 21:15:54 #249
172669 Papierversnipperaar
Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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7s.gif Op zondag 28 november 2010 21:10 schreef IHVK het volgende:
En Zienwswijze wat vind je van het handelen van onze Amerikaanse vrienden?
Hij zal zijn tijd besteden met damage-control en duidelijk maken dat geheimen altijd geheim moeten blijven omdat we anders allemaal dood gaan.
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
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He also noted that a cable posted on the Guardian's Web site - summarizing a March, 2009 meeting between Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah and the White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan - includes a remarkable suggestion on how detainees released from the Guantánamo Bay prison might be tracked:

"I've just thought of something," the King added, and proposed implanting detainees with an electronic chip containing information about them and allowing their movements to be tracked with Bluetooth. This was done with horses and falcons, the King said. Brennan replied, "horses don't have good lawyers," and that such a proposal would face legal hurdles in the U.S., but agreed that keeping track of detainees was an extremely important issue that he would review with appropriate officials when he returned to the United States.

http://thelede.blogs.nyti(...)s-diplomatic-cables/
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