[Centraal] Pro Wrestling topic #63 Survive The Changes

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I just walked past a rattlesnake. I could not see him but he was loud and very close.

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I wish it had been Steve Austin, but no, it was the regular bite you, you rush to hospital variety rattler. Sorry folks.

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Op zaterdag 28 november 2009 21:39 schreef Tazmaniac het volgende:
Blijkt het dan Jake Roberts te zijn

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Op maandag 30 november 2009 19:55 schreef Tazmaniac het volgende:
TNA to Hold a Four Hour Impact Broadcast on 12/31

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What a reality check

Kimbo Slice took Ultimate Fighter from 1.2 to 3.7
Hogan took Impact from 1.1 to 1.3

So if there was no World Series, Hogan would have taken them from 1.1 to 1.5.
You're trying to make it like the World Series was the major difference from 1.2 to 3.7 and 1.1 to 1.3.
I'm trying to make a point about television ratings drawing power in 2009. The last season of Ultimate Fighter several weeks did lower ratings than Impact and for the season was slightly above.
Now they aren't close. Is anyone trying to suggest that Hogan is going to move TNA to 2.1s?

Spike hyped this show more than any episode of Impact I can recall. Every commercial break had a Hogan promo.

One week rating is significant?

You don't even remember Donald Trump doing a 4.5 and everyone talking about a turnaround and a new boom period coming.

Everyone knows Hogan's first two appearances will draw a rating. Everyone knows Flair's first two appearances will draw a rating. A 1.3 against the World Series is a good number, but it's still 200,000 viewers less than several shows they did earlier this year drew.

Are we still at the level where one week rating for someone's debut is considered significant? Sting drew his first week. Foley drew his first week. Angle drew his first week. It's still TNA and it's still Hogan.

The same Hogan who drew his first week back every time he came to WWF in the last 7 years, and then bailed every time out because he knows better than anyone that at his age, there is no staying power, only a nostalgia pop. If they did a 1.8 for one week, what would it matter because they'll be back to where they were three weeks later anyway. If they spent three months building up a live TV debut, you really think he'd drawing a 3.7 rating on Impact like Kimbo did? I mean, does anyone even entertain the idea that is even possible? He can't wrestle on TV more than once and have it mean something, and physically, the guy can't stand up and shave. He has to sit down and shave. Think about it. If he wrestles, a big if because even he's downplaying the idea of wrestling, he'll get one big buy rate, just like Angle, just like Sting, and TNA is still a company that does 1,500 paid for its biggest show of the year they spent four months promoting.

"Occasional" and one blurb for the show during every single break are not the same. Spike hyped it more than any TNA show and the same as a major UFC event.

For two days I heard the argument that TNA got more mainstream pub than ever before, nothing like this in history due to Hogan, and now it's changed to "There was only two days and an occasional TV commercial." By the way, exactly whose fault is it when a guy who is supposedly part of the ownership group continually fails to promote on national TV shows his debut on the show he is going to turn around? And you don't see that as a warning sign right off the bat?

At least even in TNA, Hogan's appearances were seen as a major warning sign that Hogan's not really into this more than taking them for a ride and they were neither thrilled with nor unhappy with the rating.

Would it make you more excited to know that I was more positive about the potential of this than everyone in the company I've spoken with in the past few days.

While nobody can say it publicly, the general feeling is that Hogan showed he was taking us for a ride on the Larry King Show, and look at his track record, bailing on everyone all the time.

I'm not saying it's doomed. There is a chance things could get better. The odds are not in that direction.

But, the idea that the 1.3 rating indicates anything whatsoever is astounding to me that anyone even gives a second of belief to.

Other than in today's culture, that Hulk Hogan for one week means a hell of a lot less than Kimbo Slice.

My idea of a success is they would take in more money with Hogan than they are spending to get him.

If he costs them $3 million a year and raises ratings and buy rates to the point they lose money on the deal, it's not a success.

If he costs them nothing, he only has to sell one ticket and it's a success.

A .1 increase in average weekly ratings likely means $0 dollars to TNA unless the ratings are up significantly the last year of the contract and somebody else is looking at trying to get the deal.

20,000 extra buys on the first show means $300,000.

So if he, and Bischoff together, are working for a combined less than $300,000 per year, yes, that's a success.

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Op dinsdag 1 december 2009 11:17 schreef renwan het volgende:
Bwuh, wil RAW kijken maar zie alleen die inferieure XWT versie online staan

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Op dinsdag 1 december 2009 11:28 schreef renwan het volgende:
Morgen, vandaag ga ik ontspannen.

Heeft Brahma eigenlijk al ander werk?

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Op dinsdag 1 december 2009 11:32 schreef renwan het volgende:
Drievliet is dicht, seizoen voorbij, Brahma werkloos, ik heb alweer iets anders

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Op dinsdag 1 december 2009 17:44 schreef Wessiej het volgende:
Wat zeggen ze dan @ drievliet: jongens, het is koud, opkankeren, YOU'RE FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIREAH.

Of mag je terugkomen

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It's been reported this week that major changes are coming to WWE in the early months of 2010, with the ECW brand likely being shut down. According to a sources, WWE also has big changes in store for the SmackDown brand. The feeling is that RAW has enhanced its identity with the Guest Host concept and SmackDown needs something of its own to stand out. While nothing official has been decided on yet, it's believed that any big changes will take place after year ends.

Also as noted earlier here on the website, WWE is working on a deal that could change the current landscape of the company. WWE and SyFy have had preliminary meetings regarding the rebranding of the ECW series, which would include dropping name and brand "ECW". SyFy has noticed the dropping ratings since the debut of the show, and with the current TV deal ending in December, WWE is looking to improve ratings and freshen up the product. There was talk of a "magazine style" show, which was shot down, and the most recent pitch is an hour long show focusing exclusively on brand new talents. SyFy was very behind the brand when it debuted with a rating of over 2.0, but with the rating now averaging around a 1.0, the appeal has been lost.

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Op woensdag 2 december 2009 21:05 schreef The-Brahma-Bull het volgende:

The ShopTNA.com Holiday Sale Webisode

(hmm waarom maakt hij er geen plaatje meer van ?)

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Op woensdag 2 december 2009 21:05 schreef The-Brahma-Bull het volgende:

The ShopTNA.com Holiday Sale Webisode

(hmm waarom maakt hij er geen plaatje meer van ?)

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Op donderdag 3 december 2009 15:41 schreef The-Brahma-Bull het volgende:
Team Beard:

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- Low-Ki is expected to debut on WWE TV soon and start a program with Rey Mysterio. Low-Ki will debut under a mask and will be booked as someone from Mysterio's past in Mexico.

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Op donderdag 3 december 2009 22:01 schreef renwan het volgende:

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Dat werkt net zo goed als je avatar

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Edward Fatu, 36, is hospitalized in Houston and in what was described as life threatening condition by a long-time friend.

His family was told to come into town as quickly as possible.

Details are sketchy at this point but he apparently fell asleep last night while watching television, and several hours later, his wife found him not breathing with blood coming out of his nose and he was rushed to the hospital.

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According to two sources, PWTorch has been told that former WWE star Umaga (Eddie Fatu) was found dead today by his wife. Another source says he is hospitalized in grave condition on life support.

The suspicion is prescription pills is the cause, as Umaga was reportedly found bleeding from his nose and mouth.

We have also learned that WWE will be issuing a statement later today or this weekend.

Umaga was released from his WWE contract in June after failing WWE's Wellness Policy for the second time. He was on the Hulkamania Tour in Australia that just concluded last weekend.

Mr. Kennedy (Ken Anderson) was on the Australian Tour and posted a brief note on Twitter: "Say a prayer for my boy Umaga."

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Op vrijdag 4 december 2009 21:38 schreef kidkash19 het volgende:
Oh my......weet je tegen wie zn laatste match was tot nu toe?? Beetje freaky toevallig....

Kennedy.....

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Op vrijdag 4 december 2009 21:47 schreef The-Brahma-Bull het volgende:

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Zou wel freaky zijn, maar Kennedy kan er niks aan doen dat zijn tegenstanders pillen gebruiken natuurlijk.

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Op vrijdag 4 december 2009 21:51 schreef kidkash19 het volgende:

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Ik weet het maar het is wel eng toevallig, en ze heten beide Eddie ....

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Op vrijdag 4 december 2009 22:29 schreef kidkash19 het volgende:
Ja dat zijn sommetjes waar iedereen uit kan komen op een bepaalde datum.

Het is voor mij gewoon toevallig dat er 2 Eddie's doodgaan in de worstelbusiness en dat ze beide hun laatste match tegen Kennedy hebben gehad.
Had hij maar het bod vd WWE aangenomen om in rehab te gaan...

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The WWE website issued the following statement this evening:

Umaga passes
Written: December 4, 2009

WWE would like to express its deepest condolences to Mr. Fatu's family, friends and fans on his tragic passing. Mr. Fatu was under contract with WWE at various time periods and most recently performed under the name "Umaga." Mr. Fatu's contract was terminated on June 11, 2009.

We would like to offer our condolences to the family, friends and fans of Eddie 'Umaga' Fatu. What a sad, sad story.

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Op zaterdag 5 december 2009 10:01 schreef kidkash19 het volgende:
1 minuut stilte is niet genoeg, ik zat meer te denken aan ...3 minutes

36 jaar pas, grote potentie om WWE champ te worden al was het maar voor een maand of 2. Het verhaal gaat trouwens dat het niet drugs zou zijn maar slaap apneu, meerdere "grotere" mensen hebben daar last van.

2009 is wel een klotejaar geweest voor het worstelen

Elijah Burke zn statement

http://theelijahexpress.com/node/2037

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Op zaterdag 5 december 2009 10:16 schreef kidkash19 het volgende:
Nou ja van wat ik begrijp is het ook een aanslag op je hart elke x en als hij dan natuurlijk ook iets van pijnstillers of andere drugs gebruikt dan is je hart minder weerbaar lijkt mij.

This sucks, weer 1 die veel te jong is gestorven

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-Chris Jericho: "Eddie Fatu was an awesome guy and one of the brothers. I trusted him and that's a rare thing for me. I am devastated. Safe travels Oos."

-D-Lo Brown: "Today I lost (a) good friend. Eddie Fatu, I will you, Uso. Rest in peace."

-Dixie Carter: "On behalf of everyone at TNA, our thoughts and prayers are with the entire Fatu family."

-Eric Bischoff: "My thoughts on prayers go out to the family of Eddie Fatu (formerly known as Umaga). He was a great performer and a wonderful person."

-Matt Hardy: "I'm gonna miss 'Uce' - Eddie 'Umaga' Fatu very, very match. He was one of my true friends and an amazing person. May God be with ya - love ya man.

-Samoa Joe
: "See you when I get there big Uso. 'Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.' Cor. 15:51"

-Tara (a/k/a Victoria): "Rest in peace, Umaga. We will love you always and we will all miss you."

-Maria: "So sad. Eddie was a friend. He loved wrestling and was a great entertainer. My prayers go out to Eddie's beautiful family. A great loss."

-Hurricane Helms: "What a long, sorrowful and emotionally exhausting day. You never know what's around the next corner. Life is...that's it...it just IS."

-Christopher Daniels
: "RIP Eddie Fatu. I'm glad I got to know you in the short time you were here."

-Taz: "Very sad to hear of the passing of a great performer and a super person. RIP Eddie, see you down the road, brother."

-Matt Morgan: "Me and my family's condolences to Eckie's family. This just plain out sucks. Yet another great guy taken from us too early."

-Maryse: "Prayers for Umaga and all his family. Wow, what a night. I don't know what to say. He would always make me laugh. So sad. I can't believe it. OMG!"

-Beth Britt (Jeff Hardy's girlfriend): "With very close friends and family having dinner in honor of our beloved friend, Eki."

-Howard Finkel: "I am saddened by the passing today of Eddie Fatu. My sincere condolences to his family and friends."

-JBL: "Had a ball tag teaming with Eddie Fatu in some of my last house show matches. I will miss my friend."

-Kofi Kingston: "RIP Umaga. Take a minute to let your loved ones know how much they mean to you and how much you appreciate them."

-D'Angelo Dinero: "This is rough, very rough. My heart and prayers go out to Umaga's wife, his boys, and family."

-Chavo Guerrero: "For those of you that didn't know Ecki-Umaga, he was a very genuine person who loved to laugh and really cared for his friends. I love you, Uce."

-Lilian Garcia: "Just heard (the) news about Eddie. So sad. Loved him. Prayers for him and family."

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This is like David vs Goliath, except David doesn't have a rock, a slingshot or God.

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Op zondag 6 december 2009 14:54 schreef Wessiej het volgende:
Maar ik had een paar maanden geleden al gepost dat The Rock guest host werd op 4 januari. Waarom doet TNA dit dan !

Misschien omdat er geen monday night football is, maar alsnog worden ze in de butt gepakt.

4.6 vs 0.3 rating ofzo.

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Op zondag 6 december 2009 20:37 schreef renwan het volgende:

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Omg, mail ze dit topic!

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Charlie Haas' Facebook:

At 4:20 pm I lost my brother, my uso, my business partner Edward "Umaga" Fatu. He passed into God's hands, and is looking down on us. I love you UCE and will take care of your boys as if they were my own. LT will have all the support in the world. We miss you. Forever USO's. Tell Russ Hi for me.

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It's like kids throwing rocks at soldiers. You might get in a few hits, but sooner or later they'll get pissed off and shoot you

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Op maandag 7 december 2009 13:44 schreef The-Brahma-Bull het volgende:

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Het is maar voor 1 keer, dus voor lul staan ze helemaal niet dan. En halen ze hun normale kijkcijfer, dan is dat juist goed, en zouden ze vaker op maandag kunnen proberen voor een uiteindelijke vaste move. En daar dan blijven concureren.

Hetzelfde cijfer met Hogan (en meer verassingen volgens hem) is natuurlijk niet super nee, maar als je het op maandag doet tegen over Raw dan is het niet slecht lijkt mij.