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  dinsdag 14 juli 2009 @ 14:28:06 #251
78918 SeLang
Black swans matter
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Ik vind het wel tof als al die geestelijken mekaar gaan dood fatwa-en.
Dan lost het probleem zichzelf uiteindelijk vanzelf op.
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
Mijn reisverslagen
  dinsdag 14 juli 2009 @ 14:30:04 #252
97934 ASroma
Flamboyant
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Op dinsdag 14 juli 2009 14:28 schreef SeLang het volgende:
Ik vind het wel tof als al die geestelijken mekaar gaan dood fatwa-en.
Dan lost het probleem zichzelf uiteindelijk vanzelf op.
tis net world of warcraft
  dinsdag 14 juli 2009 @ 14:34:35 #253
151456 Tokamak
Bad shrooms...
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Op dinsdag 14 juli 2009 14:30 schreef ASroma het volgende:

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tis net world of warcraft
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Mousavi wil een politieke beweging opzetten:
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Iran's Mir-Hossein Mousavi planning new political group
An aide says Mousavi, who was defeated by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in last month's disputed election, is forming a political 'front' that will have most of the rights of a political party.
By Borzou Daragahi
9:54 AM PDT, July 14, 2009
Reporting from Beirut -- Iran's leading opposition figure plans to forge a new reformist political front that would challenge the country's dominant conservatives, his top aide said today, as the country's political camps brace for a possible confrontation during Friday prayers this week.

Mir-Hossein Mousavi's top advisor, Ali-Reza Beheshti, said reformists would pursue their case against President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad by forming a political front that will have all the rights of a political party except being able to call for rallies.
Zie voor rest:

http://www.latimes.com/ne(...)ul15,0,4420908.story

Oxfordgirl is het daar niet echt mee eens:
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No time for committees or new political parties, if Iran accepts Ahmadi now it is all over. Keep raising your voices shout NO #iranelectionabout 2 hours ago from TweetDeck
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It is very important Sea of Green Turn up 4 Friday Prayers, chant Rasfsanjani/Mousavi names in support. Keep the protest alive #iranelectionabout 2 hours ago from TweetDeck
http://twitter.com/oxfordgirl

Vrijdag dus nieuwe test of het nog verder uitdooft of weer op gaat laaien.
  dinsdag 14 juli 2009 @ 23:59:40 #255
174018 AryaMehr
By any means necessary
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  woensdag 15 juli 2009 @ 12:28:57 #257
97934 ASroma
Flamboyant
  woensdag 15 juli 2009 @ 12:50:46 #258
78918 SeLang
Black swans matter
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Op woensdag 15 juli 2009 12:27 schreef Tourniquet het volgende:
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Ik heb het nog gedacht toen Michael jackson stierf: dit is de doodslag voor de Iraanse opstand.
Wellicht een moordcomplot door Iraanse mullahs?
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
Mijn reisverslagen
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quote:
Op woensdag 15 juli 2009 12:50 schreef SeLang het volgende:

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Ik heb het nog gedacht toen Michael jackson stierf: dit is de doodslag voor de Iraanse opstand.
Wellicht een moordcomplot door Iraanse mullahs?
Ik zie het verband niet zo. Khamenei gaf toevallig op dezelfde dag zijn vrijdagpreek waarin hij de harde lijn tegen demonstraties aankondigde en wat ook in de dagen daarna gebeurde. Het lijkt me ook niet dat de mensen in Iran zelf verder met MJ bezig waren.

De media daarbuiten wel natuurlijk. Maar hoeveel impact had het op de situatie in Iran zelf dat minder mensen het hier aan het volgen waren? Obama heeft ook helemaal niks over MJ gezegd, die ging gewoon door met werken. Zie het niet zo dus, al ben ik zelf iemand die niks met MJ had en verder ook geen aandacht aan besteed heb de afgelopen weken.
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Morgen dus vrij belangrijke dag als Rafsanjani het vrijdaggebed zal gaan leiden.

Twee berichten die ik vandaag tegenkwam:

Hoofd nucleaire programma zou ontslag genomen hebben:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a(...)l_iran_nuclear_chief

Nog een slachtoffer:

http://iranian009.blogfa.com/post-31.aspx#iranelection

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  donderdag 16 juli 2009 @ 16:54:05 #261
188345 Py
op zich
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Op donderdag 16 juli 2009 16:43 schreef AlexanderDeGrote het volgende:
Morgen dus vrij belangrijke dag als Rafsanjani het vrijdaggebed zal gaan leiden.

Twee berichten die ik vandaag tegenkwam:

Hoofd nucleaire programma zou ontslag genomen hebben:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a(...)l_iran_nuclear_chief

Nog een slachtoffer:

http://iranian009.blogfa.com/post-31.aspx#iranelection

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sympathie-/ hear hear post

Wat een ziek bericht zeg, dat tweede
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RT @onlymehdi: Heavy Clashes between Pro-Khamaeni and Pro-Reformists around Tehran's University. #iran #iranelection
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AP Update speech Rafsanjani:
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Top Iran cleric criticizes hard-liners in sermon

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI (AP) – 13 minutes ago

TEHRAN, Iran — One of Iran's top clerics criticized hard-liners at the main Islamic prayers Friday, saying the clerical leadership must clear up doubts over the disputed presidential election and should release opposition supporters arrested in the postelection crackdown.

Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a former president who sits on two powerful clerical ruling bodies, made the comments during his sermon before tens of thousands of opposition supporters, with opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi sitting in the front row.

The opposition packed the prayer hall to make a show of strength at the weekly Islamic prayers, which broadcast live on radio and are one of Iran's most important and symbolic political platforms. It was Rafsanjani's first time delivering the sermon since the June 12 election. In recent weeks, hard-line clerics have been using the sermon to tell Iranians to fall in line behind Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and accept the election victory of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Rafsanjani urged unity and appeared to blame hard-liners for disrupting unity by not listening to the controversy over the election, which was declared a victory for Ahmadinejad but which Mousavi claims to have won.

"Doubt has been created (about the election results)," Rafsanjani said. "There are two currents. One doesn't have any doubt and is moving ahead with their job. And there are a large portion of the wise people who say they have doubts. We need to take action to remove this doubt."

He said the turmoil following the elections "was a bitter period ... all were the losers." He criticized hard-liners for the crackdown on postelection protests, saying they should show sympathy for those arrested.

"Sympathy must be offered to those who suffered from the events that occurred and reconcile them with the ruling system. This is achievable. We need to placate them," he told the worshippers in the Tehran University prayer hall.

"It's not necessary ... to keep individuals in jail. Let them join their families. We should not let enemies criticize or laugh at us ... for keeping our people in jail," he said.

Mousavi and his supports say Ahmadinejad's victory was fraudulent, and hundreds of thousands marched in the streets in the weeks after the election in support of him. But Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who sits at the top of Iran's clerical leadership, declared the results valid and ordered a stop to protests. Police, elite Republican Guards and Basiji militiamen launched a fierce crackdown on protesters in which hundreds were arrested and at least 20 killed — though human rights groups say the figure could be several times that official toll.

The opposition has managed to hold only one significant protest since — on July 9. But they are hoping their mass turnout at Friday's prayers will prove their staying power.

Tens of thousands — mostly pro-opposition but also some government backers — packed the prayer hall and shouted competing slogans. Hard-liners made traditional chants of "death to America," while opposition supporters countered with "death to Russia" — a reference to government's ties to Moscow. Many pro-reform worshippers wore green headbands or wristbands or had green prayer rugs — the opposition movement's color.

At the same time, thousands more opposition backers were heading toward Tehran University for a planned rally outside the campus after the prayers, raising fears of a confrontation with security forces or with hard-line militiamen, witnesses said.

Near the university gates, police fired tear gas at Mousavi supporters as they headed for the prayers, witnesses said. They spoke on condition of anonymity fearing government retaliation.

Two pro-reform Web sites reported that a prominent women's rights activist, Shadi Sadr, was beaten by plainclothes militiamen and taken away as she headed toward Tehran University. Sadr was forcible pushed into a car and taken to an unknown location, Mousavi's Web site http://www.mowjcamp.com and a women's activists site http://www.meydaan.com said.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
http://www.google.com/hos(...)5G3t4z-jajQD99G54E80
  † In Memoriam † vrijdag 17 juli 2009 @ 13:07:00 #264
137949 Disana
  † In Memoriam † vrijdag 17 juli 2009 @ 13:34:03 #265
137949 Disana
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Volgens het NOS Journaal zijn er honderdduizenden mensen op de been voor de massabetoging.

Deze tweeter was erbij:

http://twitter.com/IranAnon
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Videos die van vandaag zouden zijn:





Oxfordgirl:
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Ppl R converging on Interior Ministry - expecting Mousavi. 1 report he will ask military 2 side w/ ppl. #rafsanjani #Iranelection #Iran12 minutes ago from TweetDeck
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  † In Memoriam † vrijdag 17 juli 2009 @ 14:05:05 #267
137949 Disana
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Dat moet wel van vandaag zijn, zoveel duidelijk hoorbaar boze mensen. Het radiojournaal sprak opnieuw van honderdduizenden; fantastisch dat zoveel mensen elkaar wisten te vinden.
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Wow, ik was gewoon aan het werken en ging even langs bij de Volkskrant.. Wat een nieuws
  † In Memoriam † vrijdag 17 juli 2009 @ 15:30:39 #269
137949 Disana
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Ook hier updates:

http://thelede.blogs.nyti(...)on-protests-in-iran/
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I noticed that they were not broadcasting Rafsanjani’s sermon on TV this morning. I headed out, and ended up on the west side of the crowd on Enghelab street at around noon. Right in front of the university there were large crowds of opposition supporters, then thousands more lined the street, but only in the shade (Iranians are experts at using shade — it was at least 90 degrees today).

One first needs to understand how Friday prayers are usually run at Tehran University. For many of the people who went there today, it was probably their first time, so they might think that all of the blockades and cleared streets were because of the occasion. Not so. Every Friday morning the entire Enghelab street from the square west of the University to Vali Asr on the east side of the University is blocked off to traffic. People take chartered buses from all around the city and its suburbs to attend. Anyone can enter the university to hear the sermon, if there is room — you just have to check our bag and any electronic devices. I have done this in the past without any problems and sat through several sermons. The first half of the sermon is religious, the second half is political. If the clergyman who is speaking is more famous, like a Rafsanjani, then thousands more attend. If it is a B-level guy, its more sparse. Woman are free to enter but must sit in a separate section. The sermon is broadcast through loudspeakers within about a mile radius of the University for your listening pleasure.

Today, of course, there were tens of thousands of people outside, with prayer-goers struggling to still go inside. I heard “Marg bar Rusya” and later was told that even “Marg bar Chin” was chanted. I guess the old 1979 slogan “Neither East nor West” still holds. Those sitting inside, the political elite of Iran (sans President), must have heard the crowds outside. Very few police were actually there in the beginning, in the middle of the crowd no less. Conservative-looking men held their young sons by the hand and guided them through this scene. I was wondering if they were going to actually let this continue. Finally, about 12:30, the police started arriving in droves and clearing the streets. Having suffered from a baton blow during a previous event, I left.

Ten minutes later and several blocks south I saw a man bleeding severely from his head on the back of a motorcycle. He was dropped off at a parked ambulance and was given care. He had been lucky and was able to flee the scene after being hit.

I wonder if the tear gas wafted into the University grounds. Reminiscent of the Shah and Carter in Washington D.C., no?
  † In Memoriam † vrijdag 17 juli 2009 @ 15:34:14 #270
137949 Disana
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Nog een opname (9.44 minuten):



Dezelfde maker heeft nog wat opnames online gezet:



[ Bericht 21% gewijzigd door Disana op 17-07-2009 15:41:58 ]
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Schimmenspel gaat ook door:
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sry, U cnt see in Farsi 36 high rank IRI military personel arrested last nite - confirmed by trusted source Tehran #iranelection #rafsa ...13 minutes ago from TweetDeck
http://twitter.com/oxfordgirl

Kon zowel positief als negatief zijn (al eerder laatste ben ik bang). Ahmadi-Nejad zou op 2 augustus geinstalleerd moeten worden als president, dus dat is ongeveer de tijdspanne waarin het de een of de andere kant op zal gaan denk ik.
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Naja, het is nog niet afgelopen dus. Het is goed dat andere politieke leiders zich tegen het regime verzetten, want zonder hen hadden de demonstranten al verloren, me dunkt. De regering heeft vrij effectief met geweld en terreur de dagelijkse, grootschalige, openbare protesten neergeslagen, zo op het oog.
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Ik vind 'dood aan Rusland' mooi. Het is natuurlijk een manier van spreken, een slogan, maar het gaat in tegen de traditionele slogans, tegen de regering. Het regime lijkt zo klein.
  † In Memoriam † zondag 19 juli 2009 @ 00:58:37 #274
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  † In Memoriam † zondag 19 juli 2009 @ 01:01:52 #275
137949 Disana
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Op zaterdag 18 juli 2009 12:56 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Ik vind 'dood aan Rusland' mooi. Het is natuurlijk een manier van spreken, een slogan, maar het gaat in tegen de traditionele slogans, tegen de regering. Het regime lijkt zo klein.
Hij is leuk

"Here's a clip from today's prayers in Tehran that I think is a MUST for your weblog! There's not much by the way of image, it's taken by people who couldn't make it inside, but it's the recorded audio that is fascinating. Traditionally, there's this guy at the Friday prayers whom people mockingly call 'vazireh shoaar', or the minister of slogans. His job is to shout slogans through loudspeakers and lead the crowd to chant death to America or Israel or whoever after him. In this clip you hear the crowd going flatly against him as he desperately cycles through the usual slogans (death to America, death to Israel, death to England and so on), and regardless of what he shouts, the crowd keeps repeating one chant: 'marg bar roosiyeh' (Death to Russia) !!"

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